EPTAlso you apparently have 0 memory for how Oda has structured Luffy's power curves and boss fights. He seriously only hit DF like twice and hurt him a fair bit and guess what? Just like G2 and 3 it has restrictions because its relatively raw. If anything the weakness of poundman is that it kind of looks ridiculous and I don't personally see it being a good addition when Luffy has his epic high tension fights vs the top people in the world.
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
Also you apparently have 0 memory for how Oda has structured Luffy's power curves and boss fights. He seriously only hit DF like twice and hurt him a fair bit and guess what? Just like G2 and 3 it has restrictions because its relatively raw. If anything the weakness of poundman is that it kind of looks ridiculous and I don't personally see it being a good addition when Luffy has his epic high tension fights vs the top people in the world. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 16 2015 12:49 Sentenal wrote: No, I agree Forik, Luffy has hit his peak. Obviously the manga will end after this arc, with Luffy accepting he can get no stronger and that he will never become the Pirate King. is noone else not the least bit dissapointed in poundman? | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On May 16 2015 12:50 Forikorder wrote: is noone else not the least bit dissapointed in poundman? As someone else mentioned earlier, I think that Doflamingo was much more affected that he makes it seem (or Oda makes it seem :D). It would indeed be a bit disappointing if a brand new power-up proved insufficient just after being revealed (albeit original). Either that or Luffy actually has something more still (which I think is heavily hinted). Luffy says "If I can just recover my haki, I know I can finish him off with one, final attack!" and in the next page he has that focused "You have my word" face that we've learned to trust since a long time ago now :D. If you think about it, in the fight vs Lucci (the big boss of the related arc), when Gear Second was still kinda new, Gear Third was also quickly introduced to finish off the fight. I think the current situation may be similar. tl;dr; Trust him, Luffy will pull off some cool shit. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 16 2015 14:11 ZenithM wrote: As someone else mentioned earlier, I think that Doflamingo was much more affected that he makes it seem (or Oda makes it seem :D). It would indeed be a bit disappointing if a brand new power-up proved insufficient just after being revealed (albeit original). Either that or Luffy actually has something more still (which I think is heavily hinted). Luffy says "If I can just recover my haki, I know I can finish him off with one, final attack!" and in the next page he has that focused "You have my word" face that we've learned to trust since a long time ago now :D. If you think about it, in the fight vs Lucci (the big boss of the related arc), when Gear Second was still kinda new, Gear Third was also quickly introduced to finish off the fight. I think the current situation may be similar. tl;dr; Trust him, Luffy will pull off some cool shit. its similar to the rob luchi fight, he pulls out a new flashy move that looks amazing (though G4 was less impressive then smashing battleships) and in both cases they ended before finishing off the enemy leaving him vulnerable however back then he managed to deal with it himself and then win but now he needs an army of mooks to hold off the enemy long enough to recover | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 16 2015 15:17 Sentenal wrote: And remember people, Forikorder is in fact grouping Sabo in with "an army of mooks", since this is the same Forikorder who argued that Sabo hasn't proven himself to be strong, and that his previous fights in the Colosseum and against Fujitora don't count, for some reason. sabo is holding back burgess and isnt related in the 1v1 with doflamingo | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
He should be better then anyone by now, maybe they should just end it | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Remember that there is no way Dofla is at full strength right now so it's not like the random fighters steal the show. And Sabo is, for one, in no way random, and second we all know there is no way, win or lose, that Luffy would have been able to deal with Burgess himself after Dofla, so I really don't see what's wrong with Sabo stepping up too. Don't bitch on the nakama'ing please! | ||
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
On May 16 2015 12:49 Sentenal wrote: No, I agree Forik, Luffy has hit his peak. Obviously the manga will end after this arc, with Luffy accepting he can get no stronger and that he will never become the Pirate King. Then Oda will continue the story in the same fashion as Kishimoto, but it's now a slife of life manga where we follow Luffy's day to day happenings around his little house in Windmill town. There'll be cameos from known faces too! Anticipate it! | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 16 2015 19:36 shell wrote: the dude is 19 years old.. fighting against guys with 40 or 50 years worth of experience! He should be better then anyone by now, maybe they should just end it the main character is always a young guy beating up older dudes the main character isnt allowed an excuse in a fair fight i mean everything been pretty wack but if anything luffy and dofla should have been even when he used poundman or if anything he was in a better spot | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 17 2015 00:54 rei wrote: Think about the 3 Shichibukai luffy have faced in live and death battle so far, luffy can not take any of them one vs one, in fact without help, luffy would have died many times over to any of those 3. Just look at the facts, Mingo block luffy's gear4 for 3 chapters with his face and body, and who's the one laying on the floor can't get up? that's why it's luffy. Mingo is obviously much stronger, he even took law's attack that were fatal before he engaged luffy in his gear4. except he did beat all of them 1v1 the only one you might argue is moria but then moria had the giant zombie as well so its even stevens croc had the huge advantage of logia and even then he only had to be kinda rescued by robin (but still survived the actual fight on his own) | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On May 17 2015 01:02 Forikorder wrote: except he did beat all of them 1v1 the only one you might argue is moria but then moria had the giant zombie as well so its even stevens croc had the huge advantage of logia and even then he only had to be kinda rescued by robin (but still survived the actual fight on his own) There's nothing fair about all these fights in the first place. Doffy is holding people of Dressrosa hostage. It means putting Luffy on clock. | ||
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Raneth
England527 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 17 2015 01:07 Wildmoon wrote: Don't worry. Doffy is near dead already. One more move from Luffy will end this. And Luffy will only gets stronger. If he can maintain poundman for very long then he would be pretty damn strong. Doffy was no match for him at all in that form. He smacked Doffy left and right. Unlike the fight with Lucci and Crocodile, Luffy didn't took that much dmg from Doffy at all. G4 was what did the most damage to him. if it wasnt for all the mooks hed never get the one more move, and sure dofla took the attacks but wasnt enough to KO him a stronger opponent could avoid and block them then luffy becomes useless poundman is useless agaisnt anyone stronger then Dofla | ||
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Raneth
England527 Posts
On May 17 2015 02:07 Forikorder wrote: if it wasnt for all the mooks hed never get the one more move, and sure dofla took the attacks but wasnt enough to KO him a stronger opponent could avoid and block them then luffy becomes useless poundman is useless agaisnt anyone stronger then Dofla Dofla is the strongest villan in the OP world, so I guess that wont bother Luffy that much | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On May 15 2015 06:18 Sentenal wrote: What if Croc was using his fruit to cause the massive, nation-wide drought that lasted for years, and thats why it started raining all over the country right after he was defeated? EXACTLY It's the only reason someone as powerful as Crocodile would lose to Luffy. Note that Crocodile also lost his reason to fight after he lost the ancient weapon (all those years wasted = sad wani). On top of that, he'd been sitting on his ass for years instead of fighting real enemies. Naturally he'd weaken. Edit: Dance powder has little to do with it. We KNOW that Dance powder was used to frame the royal family. It's possible that Crocodile also used the Dance Powder to make it rain somewhere, however all of that water had to GO somewhere, and it went to Crocodile, who is able to absorb moisture. If you're carrying around a few years worth of rain for an entire country, you have a massive handicap, that kind of weight is HEAVY. Any further doubts of Crocodile's real strength are cast side when he easily engages the likes of Mihawk, Doflamingo, Akainu and so forth at Marineford. All of these theories are based off of facts. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 17 2015 02:47 Incognoto wrote: EXACTLY It's the only reason someone as powerful as Crocodile would lose to Luffy. Note that Crocodile also lost his reason to fight after he lost the ancient weapon (all those years wasted = sad wani). On top of that, he'd been sitting on his ass for years instead of fighting real enemies. Naturally he'd weaken. Edit: Dance powder has little to do with it. We KNOW that Dance powder was used to frame the royal family. It's possible that Crocodile also used the Dance Powder to make it rain somewhere, however all of that water had to GO somewhere, and it went to Crocodile, who is able to absorb moisture. If you're carrying around a few years worth of rain for an entire country, you have a massive handicap, that kind of weight is HEAVY. Any further doubts of Crocodile's real strength are cast side when he easily engages the likes of Mihawk, Doflamingo, Akainu and so forth at Marineford. All of these theories are based off of facts. he didnt waste all those years he just learned that it was gonna take a bit longer then he thought the whole idea of him carrying water is ridiculous and the only evidence is that it rained after he lost Croc lost because by the third time he was tired while Luffy had time to rest and inside the tomb he didnt have the luctury of dancing around luffy or destroying the ground like he id at the palace he had to fight luffy face to face and couldnt handle him | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On May 17 2015 02:07 Forikorder wrote: if it wasnt for all the mooks hed never get the one more move, and sure dofla took the attacks but wasnt enough to KO him a stronger opponent could avoid and block them then luffy becomes useless poundman is useless agaisnt anyone stronger then Dofla Luffy will simply learn to minimize the side effect of poundman in the future. And Poundman will certainly be effective against people stronger than Doffy. The gap in power that poundman creates between Doffy and Luffy is huge. Luffy was miles ahead whether it's speed or power in that form. It's only the fact that the form can't be maintained for very long. This is not like when he fought Lucci which he used G2 to even be able match Lucci. | ||
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