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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-14 23:39:58
May 14 2015 23:39 GMT
#21521
Its not confirmed, but its a damn good reason as to why Luffy was able to beat a Shichibukai who was able to go toe-to-toe with the likes of Doflamingo and Mihawk all the way back in the early part of the Grand Line. Its probably the single best unconfirmed theory I've read in this thread lol
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
May 14 2015 23:54 GMT
#21522
On May 15 2015 07:35 sumsaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2015 06:18 Sentenal wrote:
On May 15 2015 05:51 killa_robot wrote:
Gomu Gomu fruit is already turning out to be really OP though, lol.

With all this talk about Awakening and how much control Dofl has with his fruit, he kind of puts Crocodile to shame. Sure, Croc had some control, but compared to what we're seeing now he was at a pretty low tier of control. Kind of funny when Croc boasted so much about how he could control his fruit.

What if Croc was using his fruit to cause the massive, nation-wide drought that lasted for years, and thats why it started raining all over the country right after he was defeated?

I already thought that was the reason.

it was smoker who released the dancing powder that made the rain. you thought wrong.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2057 Posts
May 15 2015 00:17 GMT
#21523
On May 15 2015 08:39 Sentenal wrote:
Its not confirmed, but its a damn good reason as to why Luffy was able to beat a Shichibukai who was able to go toe-to-toe with the likes of Doflamingo and Mihawk all the way back in the early part of the Grand Line. Its probably the single best unconfirmed theory I've read in this thread lol


Where was it confirmed that Crocodile used to be such a badass? I have always just assumed that the Shichibukai aren't equal in fighting power.
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 00:38:26
May 15 2015 00:31 GMT
#21524
crocodile killed luffy many times over through that arc if not for people saving him / lucky breaks / crocodile's arrogant, luffy got multiple do overs after he got beat, in the very end luffy would have still died to crocodile's poison after his final attack and won't be able to finish crocodile off. Luffy didn't beat him legit, you can argue it was a tie at the last fight.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
May 15 2015 00:43 GMT
#21525
On May 15 2015 09:17 herMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2015 08:39 Sentenal wrote:
Its not confirmed, but its a damn good reason as to why Luffy was able to beat a Shichibukai who was able to go toe-to-toe with the likes of Doflamingo and Mihawk all the way back in the early part of the Grand Line. Its probably the single best unconfirmed theory I've read in this thread lol


Where was it confirmed that Crocodile used to be such a badass? I have always just assumed that the Shichibukai aren't equal in fighting power.

Well, they clearly aren't equal in battle power. We saw that pretty clearly when Jinbei roflstomped Moria. But we also saw Crocodile go against the likes of Doflamingo, Mihawk, and even Akainu, without getting his shit kicked in. So either he has always been that level and he somehow fucked up bad in that 3rd Luffy fight, or he got really strong while being an apathetic ass in prison.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 15 2015 00:50 GMT
#21526
On May 15 2015 08:54 rei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2015 07:35 sumsaR wrote:
On May 15 2015 06:18 Sentenal wrote:
On May 15 2015 05:51 killa_robot wrote:
Gomu Gomu fruit is already turning out to be really OP though, lol.

With all this talk about Awakening and how much control Dofl has with his fruit, he kind of puts Crocodile to shame. Sure, Croc had some control, but compared to what we're seeing now he was at a pretty low tier of control. Kind of funny when Croc boasted so much about how he could control his fruit.

What if Croc was using his fruit to cause the massive, nation-wide drought that lasted for years, and thats why it started raining all over the country right after he was defeated?

I already thought that was the reason.

it was smoker who released the dancing powder that made the rain. you thought wrong.


That's something that can be seen as implied. Not a fact.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
May 15 2015 00:50 GMT
#21527
Moria seems to be one of those that is weak for a very long time, but if you give him a lot of time to himself he can eventually snowball into being pretty powerful. (at least his fruit, Moria himself seems pretty noob).
Never Knows Best.
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
May 15 2015 01:01 GMT
#21528
On May 15 2015 09:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2015 08:54 rei wrote:
On May 15 2015 07:35 sumsaR wrote:
On May 15 2015 06:18 Sentenal wrote:
On May 15 2015 05:51 killa_robot wrote:
Gomu Gomu fruit is already turning out to be really OP though, lol.

With all this talk about Awakening and how much control Dofl has with his fruit, he kind of puts Crocodile to shame. Sure, Croc had some control, but compared to what we're seeing now he was at a pretty low tier of control. Kind of funny when Croc boasted so much about how he could control his fruit.

What if Croc was using his fruit to cause the massive, nation-wide drought that lasted for years, and thats why it started raining all over the country right after he was defeated?

I already thought that was the reason.

it was smoker who released the dancing powder that made the rain. you thought wrong.


That's something that can be seen as implied. Not a fact.

dafuq? read that arc again, see it for yourself
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
May 15 2015 01:22 GMT
#21529
Smoker did indeed find Dance Powder that was being transported by Baroque Works. And there was also Dance Powder that was planted into the Royal Palace that was used to frame the Royal Family. One can assume that this means Dance Powder was used to make it only rain in the Capitol. And honestly, that's probably why it only rained in the Capitol.

However, Smoker discovering an incoming shipment of Dance Powder off the coast isn't what caused the nation-wide rain. The sudden rain when Crocodile was defeated could have been a big symbolic coincidence, or it could have been because Crocodile was using his powers to contribute to the drought. We know he can effect the weather, considering he was the one who made those sand storms to destroy the Yuba Oasis. In the end, its just supposition without any hard facts to back it up (thus why its just a theory), but it makes sense to me.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
May 15 2015 01:49 GMT
#21530
do you guys remember how dancing powder produce rain? go re read the chapter, you will know for sure how Crocodile was able to produce the drought. And it's not because of his fruit power.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
May 15 2015 01:55 GMT
#21531
Yeah, it steals rain from surrounding areas. I already said, it definitely was in play in Alabasta. It just doesn't explain the huge coincidence of Crocodile's defeat being almost immediately followed by a nation-wide rain storm for the first time in decades, though. And it could have just been that, a coincidence. But I like the idea that it wasn't.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 15 2015 01:56 GMT
#21532
On May 15 2015 10:01 rei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2015 09:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On May 15 2015 08:54 rei wrote:
On May 15 2015 07:35 sumsaR wrote:
On May 15 2015 06:18 Sentenal wrote:
On May 15 2015 05:51 killa_robot wrote:
Gomu Gomu fruit is already turning out to be really OP though, lol.

With all this talk about Awakening and how much control Dofl has with his fruit, he kind of puts Crocodile to shame. Sure, Croc had some control, but compared to what we're seeing now he was at a pretty low tier of control. Kind of funny when Croc boasted so much about how he could control his fruit.

What if Croc was using his fruit to cause the massive, nation-wide drought that lasted for years, and thats why it started raining all over the country right after he was defeated?

I already thought that was the reason.

it was smoker who released the dancing powder that made the rain. you thought wrong.


That's something that can be seen as implied. Not a fact.

dafuq? read that arc again, see it for yourself

Do that yourself. Smoker captures Croc's Rain ship, and Hina thinks he might have used it to cause the rain but that's no fact.
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
May 15 2015 02:14 GMT
#21533
On May 15 2015 10:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2015 10:01 rei wrote:
On May 15 2015 09:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On May 15 2015 08:54 rei wrote:
On May 15 2015 07:35 sumsaR wrote:
On May 15 2015 06:18 Sentenal wrote:
On May 15 2015 05:51 killa_robot wrote:
Gomu Gomu fruit is already turning out to be really OP though, lol.

With all this talk about Awakening and how much control Dofl has with his fruit, he kind of puts Crocodile to shame. Sure, Croc had some control, but compared to what we're seeing now he was at a pretty low tier of control. Kind of funny when Croc boasted so much about how he could control his fruit.

What if Croc was using his fruit to cause the massive, nation-wide drought that lasted for years, and thats why it started raining all over the country right after he was defeated?

I already thought that was the reason.

it was smoker who released the dancing powder that made the rain. you thought wrong.


That's something that can be seen as implied. Not a fact.

dafuq? read that arc again, see it for yourself

Do that yourself. Smoker captures Croc's Rain ship, and Hina thinks he might have used it to cause the rain but that's no fact.

when i tell you to do something you do it, i'm your god
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
May 15 2015 02:54 GMT
#21534
On May 09 2015 08:58 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 08:54 evanthebouncy! wrote:
this fight isn't over lol.

rembmer when luffy first used gear3? rob lucci got OWNED like no tomorrow, yet they continued to fight until it comes down to the raw will powers.

it will be similar here.

lucci took one punch then fought back evenly he didnt get owned Doflas is down for the count he took a G4 bazooka right to the chest theres no way hes gonna be able to effectively fight back

this fight is over


Haha eat your words!
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 15 2015 03:01 GMT
#21535
On May 15 2015 11:14 rei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2015 10:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On May 15 2015 10:01 rei wrote:
On May 15 2015 09:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On May 15 2015 08:54 rei wrote:
On May 15 2015 07:35 sumsaR wrote:
On May 15 2015 06:18 Sentenal wrote:
On May 15 2015 05:51 killa_robot wrote:
Gomu Gomu fruit is already turning out to be really OP though, lol.

With all this talk about Awakening and how much control Dofl has with his fruit, he kind of puts Crocodile to shame. Sure, Croc had some control, but compared to what we're seeing now he was at a pretty low tier of control. Kind of funny when Croc boasted so much about how he could control his fruit.

What if Croc was using his fruit to cause the massive, nation-wide drought that lasted for years, and thats why it started raining all over the country right after he was defeated?

I already thought that was the reason.

it was smoker who released the dancing powder that made the rain. you thought wrong.


That's something that can be seen as implied. Not a fact.

dafuq? read that arc again, see it for yourself

Do that yourself. Smoker captures Croc's Rain ship, and Hina thinks he might have used it to cause the rain but that's no fact.

when i tell you to do something you do it, i'm your god


That's a good point. You should form your own religion. You're deluded enough.
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2554 Posts
May 15 2015 03:37 GMT
#21536
The part with the rain ship and crocodile and the rain is all left vague and open to interpretation. I think the real reason Luffy beat Croc was because he discovered his weakness and brought him down. Pre-timeskip Luffy with Haki wouldn't be that far off from post-timeskip Luffy. And Luffy having water was like him having Haki. Same way Luffy beat Enel the "invincible" pre-timeskip. Croc is also really slow and often caught by surprise. He excels at destroying people who are ignorant of his power like Luffy, the first 2 times anyway. After Croc's weaknesses and movesets are learned, he isn't that hard to beat.
####
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
May 15 2015 04:05 GMT
#21537
On May 15 2015 12:37 Hyperbola wrote:
The part with the rain ship and crocodile and the rain is all left vague and open to interpretation. I think the real reason Luffy beat Croc was because he discovered his weakness and brought him down. Pre-timeskip Luffy with Haki wouldn't be that far off from post-timeskip Luffy. And Luffy having water was like him having Haki. Same way Luffy beat Enel the "invincible" pre-timeskip. Croc is also really slow and often caught by surprise. He excels at destroying people who are ignorant of his power like Luffy, the first 2 times anyway. After Croc's weaknesses and movesets are learned, he isn't that hard to beat.

first 2 times croc played smart he used his advantage to land critical blows

the 3rd time he went for luffys advantage in a straight up fight

he was just too mentally exhausted to win at that point
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 15 2015 04:12 GMT
#21538
Doflamingo is a lot worse off internally than he looks. After Luffy gets that one hit in, he'll be close to death; I wonder who will save him. Law maybe? Though he would have to have a really good reason.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
May 15 2015 04:23 GMT
#21539
On May 15 2015 12:37 Hyperbola wrote:
The part with the rain ship and crocodile and the rain is all left vague and open to interpretation. I think the real reason Luffy beat Croc was because he discovered his weakness and brought him down. Pre-timeskip Luffy with Haki wouldn't be that far off from post-timeskip Luffy. And Luffy having water was like him having Haki. Same way Luffy beat Enel the "invincible" pre-timeskip. Croc is also really slow and often caught by surprise. He excels at destroying people who are ignorant of his power like Luffy, the first 2 times anyway. After Croc's weaknesses and movesets are learned, he isn't that hard to beat.

Tell that to all the experienced fighters who already knew about his abilities, who also failed to beat him, at Marineford.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
May 15 2015 05:30 GMT
#21540
On May 15 2015 10:55 Sentenal wrote:
Yeah, it steals rain from surrounding areas. I already said, it definitely was in play in Alabasta. It just doesn't explain the huge coincidence of Crocodile's defeat being almost immediately followed by a nation-wide rain storm for the first time in decades, though. And it could have just been that, a coincidence. But I like the idea that it wasn't.


The coincidence is just that, a coincidence, lol. Probably was just meant to be symbolic, since Croc was the one who stole their rain with that powder, so defeating him got it back.

What he can do still pales in comparison to the things both Luffy and Dofl can do with their fruits.
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