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On May 15 2015 05:51 killa_robot wrote: Gomu Gomu fruit is already turning out to be really OP though, lol.
With all this talk about Awakening and how much control Dofl has with his fruit, he kind of puts Crocodile to shame. Sure, Croc had some control, but compared to what we're seeing now he was at a pretty low tier of control. Kind of funny when Croc boasted so much about how he could control his fruit.
What if Croc was using his fruit to cause the massive, nation-wide drought that lasted for years, and thats why it started raining all over the country right after he was defeated?
EXACTLY
It's the only reason someone as powerful as Crocodile would lose to Luffy. Note that Crocodile also lost his reason to fight after he lost the ancient weapon (all those years wasted = sad wani). On top of that, he'd been sitting on his ass for years instead of fighting real enemies. Naturally he'd weaken.
Edit: Dance powder has little to do with it. We KNOW that Dance powder was used to frame the royal family. It's possible that Crocodile also used the Dance Powder to make it rain somewhere, however all of that water had to GO somewhere, and it went to Crocodile, who is able to absorb moisture.
If you're carrying around a few years worth of rain for an entire country, you have a massive handicap, that kind of weight is HEAVY.
Any further doubts of Crocodile's real strength are cast side when he easily engages the likes of Mihawk, Doflamingo, Akainu and so forth at Marineford.
All of these theories are based off of facts.
Not only do you have 0 evidence to support that, it doesn't even make sense as a handicap, lol.
The idea of absolute power levels is something we already know doesn't apply to the OP world. Croc lost because: A) Luffy was able to negate the logia part of his ability (something he likely wasn't used to having to fight without) B) Luffy hard-countered his fruit with water, just like how Luffy hard countered Enel with his rubber fruit
Croc wasn't used to fighting someone who could actually fight back properly, so he lost. That's really all there is to it.
On May 15 2015 05:51 killa_robot wrote: Gomu Gomu fruit is already turning out to be really OP though, lol.
With all this talk about Awakening and how much control Dofl has with his fruit, he kind of puts Crocodile to shame. Sure, Croc had some control, but compared to what we're seeing now he was at a pretty low tier of control. Kind of funny when Croc boasted so much about how he could control his fruit.
What if Croc was using his fruit to cause the massive, nation-wide drought that lasted for years, and thats why it started raining all over the country right after he was defeated?
EXACTLY
It's the only reason someone as powerful as Crocodile would lose to Luffy. Note that Crocodile also lost his reason to fight after he lost the ancient weapon (all those years wasted = sad wani). On top of that, he'd been sitting on his ass for years instead of fighting real enemies. Naturally he'd weaken.
Edit: Dance powder has little to do with it. We KNOW that Dance powder was used to frame the royal family. It's possible that Crocodile also used the Dance Powder to make it rain somewhere, however all of that water had to GO somewhere, and it went to Crocodile, who is able to absorb moisture.
If you're carrying around a few years worth of rain for an entire country, you have a massive handicap, that kind of weight is HEAVY.
Any further doubts of Crocodile's real strength are cast side when he easily engages the likes of Mihawk, Doflamingo, Akainu and so forth at Marineford.
All of these theories are based off of facts.
Not only do you have 0 evidence to support that, it doesn't even make sense as a handicap, lol.
The idea of absolute power levels is something we already know doesn't apply to the OP world. Croc lost because: A) Luffy was able to negate the logia part of his ability (something he likely wasn't used to having to fight without) B) Luffy hard-countered his fruit with water, just like how Luffy hard countered Enel with his rubber fruit
Croc wasn't used to fighting someone who could actually fight back properly, so he lost. That's really all there is to it.
Except thats not true at all, considering at some point in the past he got wrecked by Whitebeard, who obviously uses Haki. And he seemed to do just fine against Haki users at Marineford.
Crocodile didn't lose to luffy in any of their 1vs1 fights, he lost the war overall but won each fight with luffy, go re-read what happened in the end of that fight. Keep in mind that luffy died at least 3 fucking times before that last blow. Luffy was fucking poisoned, he was dead without robin giving him the antidote, He was never ganna be able to finish crocodile off after he punched him into the ground level.
On May 17 2015 06:23 rei wrote: Crocodile didn't lose to luffy in any of their 1vs1 fights, he lost the war overall but won each fight with luffy, go re-read what happened in the end of that fight. Keep in mind that luffy died at least 3 fucking times before that last blow. Luffy was fucking poisoned, he was dead without robin giving him the antidote, He was never ganna be able to finish crocodile off after he punched him into the ground level.
Croc was finished after knocked to ground level, Luffy still managed to drag 2 other people out with him
Just leave it Sentenal, I don't think we're reaching them.
My theory (which is pretty much what happened in the story) is 100% supported by facts and evidence and it makes sense. There is no hard counter, Crocodile isn't going to lose to some shit just because that shit can actually punch him. Crocodile won the first two fights with minimal damage and Luffy got rekt in both. Robin and Pell saved him first fight and he got really lucky in the second fight.
Furthermore, it's obvious that Crocodile was carrying the water around. His fruit is based on the absorption of water, and when he's defeated all the water falls from the sky. What, was there a hidden cloud or something which Crocodile was hiding with his haki or some shit? If the rain wasn't with Crocodile then WHERE was it.
Also dance powder is a powder which causes rain to fall prematurely. That's all it does, the problem is that it causes droughts down-wind.
Hey, not really posted much here, but been lurking, reading the One piece thread for a few years!!
The discussions about how strong they are, seem to not matter that much in One piec (at least compared to other manga's), Oda does a pretty amazing job with that.
If you think about the Crocodile discussion, trying to gauge his "real strength", how strong he is, who he'd beat, who he'd lose to. How would you go about doing that, if it were for example that guy in Impel down, the main Guard guy, how strong is he? Who can he beat? Didn't he put a swift stop to whole Blackbeard crew alone?
Not saying he's strongest, but the way the different powers measure up against one another is pretty cool. I also think smarter people have an edge when they are already pretty strong, for rematch purposes, since they can adapt and make better strategies if they had to fight them again (capitalize harder on weaknesses and strengths).
Like Luffy would be in so much trouble without good people around him, even someone very weak would be able to kill him off, with tricking him into water and such.
Imdrizzt is on my level, what he says is logical, why don't you post more? It's been way too easy around here for years. magellan did wiped out the entire blackbeard crew alone without haki. and Haki is not ganna help much against that guy neither. Sure you can punch him, but you would get poisoned because his juice will stick on your haki imbued hands. Not to mention his poison mist and hydra ability has wide range and inside a closed environment it is really impossible to deal with him. That's another thing, where a fight takes place is very important too, for example everybody would have a super hard time fighting crocodile if they fought him in desert, because he can sink people under at will and go Gaara on people with mountains of sands to bury them. Another example, Enel on top of his Maxim spaceship in orbit of earth nuking people with his lighting strike with pin point accuracy thinks to his mantra. How can anyone deal with that? The point is give a certain situation someone can be the very strongest in one piece.
On May 17 2015 23:12 rei wrote: Imdrizzt is on my level, what he says is logical, why don't you post more? It's been way too easy around here for years. magellan did wiped out the entire blackbeard crew alone without haki. and Haki is not ganna help much against that guy neither. Sure you can punch him, but you would get poisoned because his juice will stick on your haki imbued hands. Not to mention his poison mist and hydra ability has wide range and inside a closed environment it is really impossible to deal with him. That's another thing, where a fight takes place is very important too, for example everybody would have a super hard time fighting crocodile if they fought him in desert, because he can sink people under at will and go Gaara on people with mountains of sands to bury them. Another example, Enel on top of his Maxim spaceship in orbit of earth nuking people with his lighting strike with pin point accuracy thinks to his mantra. How can anyone deal with that? The point is give a certain situation someone can be the very strongest in one piece.
On May 17 2015 23:12 rei wrote: Imdrizzt is on my level, what he says is logical, why don't you post more? It's been way too easy around here for years. magellan did wiped out the entire blackbeard crew alone without haki. and Haki is not ganna help much against that guy neither. Sure you can punch him, but you would get poisoned because his juice will stick on your haki imbued hands. Not to mention his poison mist and hydra ability has wide range and inside a closed environment it is really impossible to deal with him. That's another thing, where a fight takes place is very important too, for example everybody would have a super hard time fighting crocodile if they fought him in desert, because he can sink people under at will and go Gaara on people with mountains of sands to bury them. Another example, Enel on top of his Maxim spaceship in orbit of earth nuking people with his lighting strike with pin point accuracy thinks to his mantra. How can anyone deal with that? The point is give a certain situation someone can be the very strongest in one piece.
I honestly don't think you can nuke with lighting
You can use the electrons to split an atom and then cause a chain reaction.
My theory (which is pretty much what happened in the story) is 100% supported by facts and evidence and it makes sense. There is no hard counter, Crocodile isn't going to lose to some shit just because that shit can actually punch him. Crocodile won the first two fights with minimal damage and Luffy got rekt in both. Robin and Pell saved him first fight and he got really lucky in the second fight.
the first fight Luffy couldnt hurt him, but at the end still manged to hurt his arm
the second fight he got him with a few good attacks and brought him to his knees but croc managed to grab him after destroying the ground
Croco no yatze took a full bazooka in the second fight but didn't seem to be too badly hurt. I will concede that in the second fight Croco took way more damage than Luffy did
On May 17 2015 23:53 Incognoto wrote: or you know, haki imbued ranged attacks
any regular marines that can fire a gun could potentially shoot any fruit user full of seastone bullets too, the point is that he's not a piece of rock that doesn't move, he fucking wipe out the entire blackbeard crew by himself. if it were as simple as shoot him with haki imbued ranged attacks, couldn't you think the blackbeard crew would have done something to not get own? The fact that the hydra was so fast that they couldn't even react to it means something right?
see how wide that attack is ? and how fast it got to blackbeard? it's not as simple as shoot him with ranged attacks.
if he's out door then he will be fucked, because he has no delivery system for his poison to reach the orbit. so he has to hide inside buildings or underground
On May 18 2015 03:15 Incognoto wrote: "minimal damage"
Croco no yatze took a full bazooka in the second fight but didn't seem to be too badly hurt. I will concede that in the second fight Croco took way more damage than Luffy did
i dunno he seemed pretty shaken after the bazooka to me id say that was what made him realise that Luffy was a serious fighter that he needed to take seriously which is why he then destroyed the ground
On May 17 2015 23:12 rei wrote: Imdrizzt is on my level, what he says is logical, why don't you post more? It's been way too easy around here for years. magellan did wiped out the entire blackbeard crew alone without haki. and Haki is not ganna help much against that guy neither. Sure you can punch him, but you would get poisoned because his juice will stick on your haki imbued hands. Not to mention his poison mist and hydra ability has wide range and inside a closed environment it is really impossible to deal with him. That's another thing, where a fight takes place is very important too, for example everybody would have a super hard time fighting crocodile if they fought him in desert, because he can sink people under at will and go Gaara on people with mountains of sands to bury them. Another example, Enel on top of his Maxim spaceship in orbit of earth nuking people with his lighting strike with pin point accuracy thinks to his mantra. How can anyone deal with that? The point is give a certain situation someone can be the very strongest in one piece.
I honestly don't think you can nuke with lighting
You can use the electrons to split an atom and then cause a chain reaction.
Nop, no way.
Electrons are just waaaaaaaay to light to do that. It would require an enoooooooooormous energy quantity, and i'm not sure it'd even work.
EPT
