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On February 09 2014 00:35 Mensol wrote: Garp is weak, his emotions makes him weaker than he should be. He wasnt able to save Ace and got beaten up by Dadan.oh Luffy beat him too. I also agree that he was strongest marine in his prime.
I want to add that I really hate Garp. im glad he resign as a Marine because he dont deserve to wear "Justice" jackets. Ace was killed, Luffy was almost killed, and he just watched it. I dont how kind of justice is that. Being a hero of the Navy is more important than your family? nah Garp is a fucking failure.
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Aokiji was the strongest Admiral. He lost against Akainu just because Akainu's df was his anti.
Well that wasnt hard to find. Garp has failed as both parents and marine.
Just because Garp can, doesn't mean he has to defeat someone. Being close to retirement/past his prime aside. I'd point to chapter 2 in which Shanks didn't bother fighting the bandit in the bar for another situation of choosing not to fight at full power every single time a confrontation pops up (though for different reasons).
As for Ace/Luffy getting their shit pushed in at Marineford while Garp more or less watched. They're adults (well, as far as being on their own/not having parent to cover for their mistakes anymore - aka, Dragon bailing out Luffy early on in the series before Luffy had seen enough of the world/gotten strong enough to truly fend for himself) and have to take responsibility for their own actions and accept the consequences. The parent/grandparent running in to bail them out would just be babying them and would be getting in the way of them growing up. Why do you think Garp was so against their desire to be pirates when they grew up? He knew what one of the likely end results would be - one that happens fairly commonly to pirates and would have an even higher likelihood of occurring for Ace and Luffy due to who their fathers are.
In order to allow Ace and Luffy to be adults, he had to let them deal with their own shit. Didn't mean he didn't want to jump in and help, thus telling Sengoku to basically hold him down to prevent him from wrecking Akainu due to his personal feelings. And if he had turned his back on the Marines to help Ace and Luffy, it would mean he was allowing them to lead while he followed their decisions rather than both of them choosing their own paths. He vehemently disagreed with their choice to be pirates since the very beginning, but still respected their choice and let them live their own lives. That's probably also the point of him standing in Luffy's way at Marineford, too. Forcing Luffy to directly choose a different side of the conflict than Garp (rather than avoiding each other and skirting the issue), even if it was an opposing path. It symbolizes Luffy having to take care of himself and accept the outcome of his actions and choices, as well as no longer have the option of relying on Garp (or Dragon) to bail him out if he got in over his head. Something which Luffy was clearly doing at Marineford.
Being a man in a situation isn't always easy, fun, or even pleasant, but sometimes it's simply the right thing to do and needs to be done anyway. I don't really see a problem with Garp's design. To be honest, the world could probably use more men like him.
the reason Shranks didn't fight the bandits in the bar is the same reason why Coby was screaming for people to stop fighting in Marine Fort, and the same reason why Luffy and Zoro didn't fight Bellamy and his crew inside the bar. And it is the same damn reason for each and every single epic fights in one piece that took place.
This is one of Oda's way in trying to teach kids that there are things real men must not do, and there are things real men must do. Real men do not fight and risk their friend's lives to protect their own honor, real men don't fight for honor, they only fight to protect what means the most to them.
On April 27 2015 10:16 rei wrote: the reason Shranks didn't fight the bandits in the bar is the same reason why Coby was screaming for people to stop fighting in Marine Fort, and the same reason why Luffy and Zoro didn't fight Bellamy and his crew inside the bar. And it is the same damn reason for each and every single epic fights in one piece that took place.
This is one of Oda's way in trying to teach kids that there are things real men must not do, and there are things real men must do. Real men do not fight and risk their friend's lives to protect their own honor, real men don't fight for honor, they only fight to protect what means the most to them.
On February 09 2014 00:35 Mensol wrote: Garp is weak, his emotions makes him weaker than he should be. He wasnt able to save Ace and got beaten up by Dadan.oh Luffy beat him too. I also agree that he was strongest marine in his prime.
I want to add that I really hate Garp. im glad he resign as a Marine because he dont deserve to wear "Justice" jackets. Ace was killed, Luffy was almost killed, and he just watched it. I dont how kind of justice is that. Being a hero of the Navy is more important than your family? nah Garp is a fucking failure.
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Aokiji was the strongest Admiral. He lost against Akainu just because Akainu's df was his anti.
Well that wasnt hard to find. Garp has failed as both parents and marine.
Garp was very conflicted throughout the entire arc. He has two responsibilities: being a father and being responsible for the world's peace. You can see that he was still debating whether or not to choose duty over family. In the end, when the cards were down on the table, Garp chose family as he let Luffy pass. In fact, when Ace died, Garp was enraged. To me this says that Garp would have probably stopped the execution if Luffy hadn't come along. That's why he was up there, he still hadn't decided what to do.
On April 27 2015 10:16 rei wrote: the reason Shranks didn't fight the bandits in the bar is the same reason why Coby was screaming for people to stop fighting in Marine Fort, and the same reason why Luffy and Zoro didn't fight Bellamy and his crew inside the bar. And it is the same damn reason for each and every single epic fights in one piece that took place.
This is one of Oda's way in trying to teach kids that there are things real men must not do, and there are things real men must do. Real men do not fight and risk their friend's lives to protect their own honor, real men don't fight for honor, they only fight to protect what means the most to them.
On April 27 2015 09:42 sumsaR wrote: Ignore Mensol. Obviously trolling. Rei wannabe.
thank you for your insightful comment, sumsaR.
If you have 100 posts in this thread, you call people troll or so in at at least 20 post of yours. Thanks for your contribution. By the way im not wanna be or something like that
On April 28 2015 03:47 upitine wrote: What do you think about Mihawk's strength? He is the strongest swordsman in the world and was Shanks' rival when the guy still had both arms.
Although we haven't seen much of him in action, I think Mihawk might be the strongest warlord.
We dont know if Shanks and Mihawk had a clash when Shanks had his both arms.
We havent seen much Kuma either, he has such strong ability. Doflamingo is also strong enough to go toe to toe with Mihawk.
The theory about Mihawk and Shanks' strength are based on the following facts. 1) Mihawk seeks out Shanks to practice with when Shanks still have both arms. This implies that Mihawk considered Shanks' swordsmanship is worthy at least his equal with 2 arms. 2) Mihawk stop seeking out Shanks for practice after he lost an arm. This implies Mihawk doesn't consider Shanks swordsmanship is worthy of him any longer. 3) Oda himself once said Shanks did not lose any combat power after losing an arm. But this fact is contradictory to fact 2) because Mihawk clearly thinks otherwise. Which means since the character Mihawk is not omnipotent like Oda, Shanks' has a power other than his swordsmanship and his haki that Mihawk might not know about / or know about it, but also know Shanks will never use that power in a friendly duel. 4) Shanks as far as we know can swim, which means he doesn't have a fruit power. Therefore, with all other possible outcome eliminated, like Sherlock Holmes' logical deduction, the only possible solution for Oda to satisfy all 4 of these facts is to have Shanks wield the power of a devil fruit that is eaten by an item instead of himself. Something like his sword for example.
Amazing logic. Assuming every single point written is true (a very big if!), the automatic assumption would just be that swordmanship does not equal combat power, or simply that Mihawk is mistaken. Or Oda is wrong.
On April 28 2015 04:20 rei wrote: The theory about Mihawk and Shanks' strength are based on the following facts. 1) Mihawk seeks out Shanks to practice with when Shanks still have both arms. This implies that Mihawk considered Shanks' swordsmanship is worthy at least his equal with 2 arms. 2) Mihawk stop seeking out Shanks for practice after he lost an arm. This implies Mihawk doesn't consider Shanks swordsmanship is worthy of him any longer. 3) Oda himself once said Shanks did not lose any combat power after losing an arm. But this fact is contradictory to fact 2) because Mihawk clearly thinks otherwise. Which means since the character Mihawk is not omnipotent like Oda, Shanks' has a power other than his swordsmanship and his haki that Mihawk might not know about / or know about it, but also know Shanks will never use that power in a friendly duel. 4) Shanks as far as we know can swim, which means he doesn't have a fruit power. Therefore, with all other possible outcome eliminated, like Sherlock Holmes' logical deduction, the only possible solution for Oda to satisfy all 4 of these facts is to have Shanks wield the power of a devil fruit that is eaten by an item instead of himself. Something like his sword for example.
or he relys as much on martial arts as swordsmanship with a focus on kicking he only needs one arm to wield a sword
I based my theory on facts that's available, In a theory the simplest explanation is usually the correct one, having Shranks with different fighting styles that doesn't rely on both hands is not the simplest explanation, not to mention there is no facts supporting it. If Shranks had a style that doesn't rely on both arms, Mihawk would know since they dueled multiple time. If Mihawk knows Shranks didn't lose any power after losing an arm why would he stop seeking out duel with Shranks?
The notion that Mihawk could be mistaken about Shranks is already being covered by my 3rd postulate. For Mihawk to be mistaking on Shrank's war potential, Shranks had hide his full potential in all the duels they had when he still had 2 arms. or is something even Shranks himself can't not control once he activates it.
On April 28 2015 12:52 rei wrote: I based my theory on facts that's available, In a theory the simplest explanation is usually the correct one, having Shranks with different fighting styles that doesn't rely on both hands is not the simplest explanation, not to mention there is no facts supporting it. If Shranks had a style that doesn't rely on both arms, Mihawk would know since they dueled multiple time. If Mihawk knows Shranks didn't lose any power after losing an arm why would he stop seeking out duel with Shranks?
The notion that Mihawk could be mistaken about Shranks is already being covered by my 3rd postulate. For Mihawk to be mistaking on Shrank's war potential, Shranks had hide his full potential in all the duels they had when he still had 2 arms. or is something even Shranks himself can't not control once he activates it.
Id reckon I agree with you on the point of Shanks hiding his full potential in the duels with Mihawk and he never realized it. Hence when Shanks lost his arm, Mihawk assumed that meant he obviously lost some of his power and was no longer a worthy and fair fight between them. Never thought of that being an option.
On April 28 2015 12:52 rei wrote: I based my theory on facts that's available, In a theory the simplest explanation is usually the correct one, having Shranks with different fighting styles that doesn't rely on both hands is not the simplest explanation, not to mention there is no facts supporting it. If Shranks had a style that doesn't rely on both arms, Mihawk would know since they dueled multiple time. If Mihawk knows Shranks didn't lose any power after losing an arm why would he stop seeking out duel with Shranks?
The notion that Mihawk could be mistaken about Shranks is already being covered by my 3rd postulate. For Mihawk to be mistaking on Shrank's war potential, Shranks had hide his full potential in all the duels they had when he still had 2 arms. or is something even Shranks himself can't not control once he activates it.
i think the simplest is that his fighting style didnt rely on having 2 arms, unless he went full guts and wielded a huge claymore or something or went 2 swords style he wouldnt need both arms to execute his techniques
it could mean that hes prioritized mastering more sanji-esque techniques rather then Zoro-esque techniques
if Sanji lost his arm he wouldnt get any weaker, if Zoro lost an arm he would, someone whos skilled in both swordplay and martial arts could be in the middle ground of both styles and just went towards sanjis way of fighting instead of Zoros
also Shanks doesnt seem the type to go full throttle for fun but i could see Mihawk doing so (assuming a worthy opponent)
On April 28 2015 12:52 rei wrote: I based my theory on facts that's available, In a theory the simplest explanation is usually the correct one, having Shranks with different fighting styles that doesn't rely on both hands is not the simplest explanation, not to mention there is no facts supporting it. If Shranks had a style that doesn't rely on both arms, Mihawk would know since they dueled multiple time. If Mihawk knows Shranks didn't lose any power after losing an arm why would he stop seeking out duel with Shranks?
The notion that Mihawk could be mistaken about Shranks is already being covered by my 3rd postulate. For Mihawk to be mistaking on Shrank's war potential, Shranks had hide his full potential in all the duels they had when he still had 2 arms. or is something even Shranks himself can't not control once he activates it.
Id reckon I agree with you on the point of Shanks hiding his full potential in the duels with Mihawk and he never realized it. Hence when Shanks lost his arm, Mihawk assumed that meant he obviously lost some of his power and was no longer a worthy and fair fight between them. Never thought of that being an option.
Assuming both of them were holding back in a friendly match, they roughly know each other's strength, so for Shank's hidden potential to over come a lost of an arm (in fact losing an arm has no affect on Shank's war potential according to Oda) means that whatever Shanks had been hiding from Mihawks is not a sword technique (like zoro's for example) Because there is no way he can execute that said technique better than he did after he lost an arm,. That's why the only solution is to have a devil fruit power.
On April 28 2015 12:52 rei wrote: I based my theory on facts that's available, In a theory the simplest explanation is usually the correct one, having Shranks with different fighting styles that doesn't rely on both hands is not the simplest explanation, not to mention there is no facts supporting it. If Shranks had a style that doesn't rely on both arms, Mihawk would know since they dueled multiple time. If Mihawk knows Shranks didn't lose any power after losing an arm why would he stop seeking out duel with Shranks?
The notion that Mihawk could be mistaken about Shranks is already being covered by my 3rd postulate. For Mihawk to be mistaking on Shrank's war potential, Shranks had hide his full potential in all the duels they had when he still had 2 arms. or is something even Shranks himself can't not control once he activates it.
i think the simplest is that his fighting style didnt rely on having 2 arms, unless he went full guts and wielded a huge claymore or something or went 2 swords style he wouldnt need both arms to execute his techniques
it could mean that hes prioritized mastering more sanji-esque techniques rather then Zoro-esque techniques
if Sanji lost his arm he wouldnt get any weaker, if Zoro lost an arm he would, someone whos skilled in both swordplay and martial arts could be in the middle ground of both styles and just went towards sanjis way of fighting instead of Zoros
also Shanks doesnt seem the type to go full throttle for fun but i could see Mihawk doing so (assuming a worthy opponent)
The fault in your logic is that Mihawk dueled with Shanks multiple times when he still had both arms, Mihawk himself would know Shanks didn't lose power if what you said were true, The fact that he said this means he doesn't think Shanks was the man he used to be when he had 2 hands
not to mention you are not basing this on facts at all.
EPT
