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Raneth
England527 Posts
On April 21 2015 02:56 Saumure wrote: Can buggy fly? Imo yes, but his feet have to be on the ground Are you saying buggy's pirate career will never get its feet off the ground? Becuase some people think he's a high flyer | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6644 Posts
On April 21 2015 02:50 Rukis wrote: If I had to imagine what G4 would be it would probably be something with Haki maybe allows him to coat his whole body in haki something he couldn't do normally thus strengthens his other abilities too. I can't see gear 4 being something a simple as full body haki. Since we've seen other characters do that without using a devil fruit ability. Is possibly the most realistic and plausible theory I've seen. Takes my full body hawk idea and actually makes some sense out of instead of just being cool flaming attacks, using the fire to vulcanize his rubber body strengthening it.greatly. Not sure I agree with the idea of Luffy using a rokugan like attack but the actual vulcanization theory sounds pretty solid to me. | ||
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Saumure
France404 Posts
On April 21 2015 03:01 Zambrah wrote: His fruit just lets him become really, really, really tall, totally not flying  I am not sure, see: http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2634-16/one-piece/chapter-527.html http://www.mangapanda.com/103-48478-13/one-piece/chapter-578.html looks like flying to me | ||
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Raneth
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Sentenal
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Hyperbola
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On April 21 2015 07:56 Hyperbola wrote: Personally I feel raising Luffy's bounty wouldn't be very meaningful. If they would raise it, it should probably raise another 100 million or so. The rest of the crew could use some 'power up' in terms of bounties though. Usopp is probably the most underrated from the people at the island atm. Even though Luffy would be doing the government a favor by taking out Doflamingo, what do you think his bounty will jump to after taking him out? He was a former world noble, shichibukai and also the most prominent underground broker. I'm thinking 500 - 600 million. Like this event will put the SH crew on the map. They'll be up there with other crews of living legends in terms of threat level. Because if they can take out Doffy then who's next? (We know who's next but the government will be sweating buckets.) I could be forgetting someone important though. | ||
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Raneth
England527 Posts
On April 21 2015 07:56 Hyperbola wrote: Even though Luffy would be doing the government a favor by taking out Doflamingo, what do you think his bounty will jump to after taking him out? He was a former world noble, shichibukai and also the most prominent underground broker. I'm thinking 500 - 600 million. Like this event will put the SH crew on the map. They'll be up there with other crews of living legends in terms of threat level. Because if they can take out Doffy then who's next? (We know who's next but the government will be sweating buckets.) At 400 million and the man who attacked navy hq twice, i think he's already pretty on the map | ||
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Zambrah
United States7288 Posts
On April 21 2015 03:20 Saumure wrote: I am not sure, see: http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2634-16/one-piece/chapter-527.html http://www.mangapanda.com/103-48478-13/one-piece/chapter-578.html looks like flying to me First one looks like running to me | ||
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upitine
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 21 2015 06:40 Sentenal wrote: How does Red Hawk even work? Where does the fire come from? Friction with rubber I'd postulate. When he was running on Punk Hazard he set fire to the floor behind him, so it might be a similar principle. On April 21 2015 10:08 upitine wrote: Luffy's next target, Kaido, is the strongest creature in the world. Do you think the term "creature" applies to people as well? Creature applies to people, but the fact that they used that word (is it in fact "creature"? I vaguely recall seeing it translated as "being" by other translators, but either way) means that he is more than just a person. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 21 2015 10:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Friction with rubber I'd postulate. When he was running on Punk Hazard he set fire to the floor behind him, so it might be a similar principle. Creature applies to people, but the fact that they used that word (is it in fact "creature"? I vaguely recall seeing it translated as "being" by other translators, but either way) means that he is more than just a person. basically saying hes the strongest person and shouldnt be classified as a person anymore | ||
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upitine
Canada7 Posts
On April 21 2015 11:42 Forikorder wrote: basically saying hes the strongest person and shouldnt be classified as a person anymore Hmm. Perhaps there is an issue we don't know about, since Luffy and Law plan to bring down the strongest person in the world. My suspicion is that Kaido is getting weaker for some reason, and is compensating for that by getting artificial fruits. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 21 2015 12:22 upitine wrote: Hmm. Perhaps there is an issue we don't know about, since Luffy and Law plan to bring down the strongest person in the world. My suspicion is that Kaido is getting weaker for some reason, and is compensating for that by getting artificial fruits. Law could jsut have a plan that gives them enough advantages that it evens out the difference in strength if they turn it into a 2v1 (or maybe more) then it doesnt matter that hes stronger then either of them individually or his strength could be rooted in something Law can negate, law can directly attack organs so if Kaidous strength is rooted in an unbreakable defense then law can bypass it and get an advantage that way | ||
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Sharkey
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Poll: Gear 4, what will it look like? Full body muscular vulcanization (7) Other (pls post) (3) combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength) (1) Nightmare luffy (1) Rubberized ball (Bellamy style) (1) Full body haki (0) 13 total votes Your vote: Gear 4, what will it look like? (Vote): combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength) What do YOU think will happen to Doflamingo Poll: What will happen to Doflamingo? He will escape the island (2) He will get arrested by the marines (2) He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents (2) Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew (1) He will be offered safe haven by the world governement (1) He will get turned into a toy (1) Other (plz explain) (1) He won't lose (0) He will die (0) 10 total votes Your vote: What will happen to Doflamingo? (Vote): He will escape the island Mindless drivel+ Show Spoiler + I am posting in here to share my thoughts with myself about some of the talks that have been going on lately. It is in spoilers because I do not intend to discuss this with anyone it is merely for me to look back on and see if my predictions were right. If you want to discuss this with me feel free but don't be alarmed if I don't reply. Doflamingo - Younku level Possible? Yes. Probable? Not based on any precedent that Oda has laid out in One Piece. The poster who declared this theory has actually missed some good (best?) evidence that supports his case. But even with that evidence I still see no way someone can declare an non-Yonko as Yonko. 1) We know that there is a strong precedent that the strongest person in each crew is the captain (is there any counter evidence?), 2) We know that the reason why any crew is reported to be strong is because their captain is that strong. Based on this two premises I see no reason to declare that Kaido is not one of the strongest person/creature/whatever in the One Piece world. I also see no reason to put Doflamingo above any admiral (he has clashed with two ish). If he was stronger than Kuzan he would have killed him as he would have a strong motive. If he was not stronger than Kuzan he would have left Smoker alive. Of course new evidence could come that could strengthen or confirm the theory that Doflamingo > Kaido but until that time comes I think it is foolish to say it. PS: When the strawhats are fighting Moriah, Moriah's minions mention how he could not be defeated by Luffy and co because he almost defeated Kaido. If you think that Luffy > Moriah (pre-TS) and Kaido > Moriah (barely) and Luffy (gear 4) > Doflamingo (prediction time) then I could see that you could think Doflamingo > Kaido. But there are too many unknowns here but I think this is better evidence than anything the Doflamingo Younku level poster said (imo). Flying - Definition (manga related) - to be able to jump or move in a different direction in the air without touching something solid that directly or indirectly touches the ground. Thus spiderman and tarzan - not flying. Doflamingo/Sanji - flying Luffy - no. I know in the anime it shows him 'flying' as an above poster shows. But I believe (personal opinion ) that it was implemented for comedic/character effect not because of his ability. Did Luffy do this in the manga?? I looked it up and it appears that he did.Can Luffy defeat DF without G4? Possibly. We will never know but I highly doubt that he can within the time limit. His gear 2 doesn't pack a hard punch and DF can dodge his gear 3. It is true that Luffy finds ways to win and he could do it by being sneaky, etc. I just think he is going for the more efficient way (g4). How many chapters will the DF vs. Luffy fight last for? 2-3. Depends on how many times it cuts to the island or flashbacks. DF flashback of his gov't secret, more Law flashbacks, Sabo vs. Cp0?? or Sabo vs. Burgess?? The town getting literally shredded by the birdcage, etc etc Doflamingo crazy? Yes!! Did his crew make him more cruel/dillusional? yes. But he already had a great head start based on his elitist/entitled/egotistical/sadistic character traits (note I think this was more his nature than nurture as Corozan and his Dad were not like this). There you go.  Did I miss any (unimportant) topics in the 2 week break. Just for the record I can see how other forum users could think that I am coming and posting the 'truth' because I am the smart one here, etc etc. But that is far from the truth I am mainly posting it here to see if I am right in the future and then I can laugh at you (or most likely myself) . If you have new evidence or want to debate me in a friendly way on any of these issues I would be happy to. But I don't enjoy tying myself up in useless arguments on this forum. But I am all for learning and seeing if my own ideas are based on reason or just bias. I hope you enjoyed my post! XdI think G4 will be a combination of G2/G3 (aka Luffy will be faster and stronger but it has to do with his muscles. There also has to be a major weakness (losses muscle control/spasms). I think DF will get turned into a toy (very unlikely but I am going with it ) | ||
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On April 21 2015 03:02 Necro)Phagist( wrote: I can't see gear 4 being something a simple as full body haki. Since we've seen other characters do that without using a devil fruit ability. + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-haE4ITT_eY Is possibly the most realistic and plausible theory I've seen. Takes my full body hawk idea and actually makes some sense out of instead of just being cool flaming attacks, using the fire to vulcanize his rubber body strengthening it.greatly. Not sure I agree with the idea of Luffy using a rokugan like attack but the actual vulcanization theory sounds pretty solid to me. I highly doubt that G4 is vulcanization because the main problems are: 1. vulcanization is a permanent process of making polymers durable. That's right. You can't "unvulcanize" rubber. 2. Vulcanization requires sulfur additives to work. Otherwise, superheating rubber will not harden it but simply melt it. 3. While I can see Luffy as being capable of battle wits and being able to come up with battle techniques such as gear 2 and gear 3 (through training and experimenting with what he can do with his body), vulcanization is a chemical process and Luffy doesn't strike me as scientist + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2015 14:37 Sharkey wrote: Here is your chance to prediction and be right and laugh at everyone who is wrong. Or just to have some fun and see if you are right. So what do YOU think Gear 4 is like? Poll: Gear 4, what will it look like? Full body muscular vulcanization (7) Other (pls post) (3) combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength) (1) Nightmare luffy (1) Rubberized ball (Bellamy style) (1) Full body haki (0) 13 total votes Your vote: Gear 4, what will it look like? (Vote): combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength) What do YOU think will happen to Doflamingo Poll: What will happen to Doflamingo? He will escape the island (2) He will get arrested by the marines (2) He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents (2) Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew (1) He will be offered safe haven by the world governement (1) He will get turned into a toy (1) Other (plz explain) (1) He won't lose (0) He will die (0) 10 total votes Your vote: What will happen to Doflamingo? (Vote): He will escape the island Mindless drivel+ Show Spoiler + I am posting in here to share my thoughts with myself about some of the talks that have been going on lately. It is in spoilers because I do not intend to discuss this with anyone it is merely for me to look back on and see if my predictions were right. If you want to discuss this with me feel free but don't be alarmed if I don't reply. Doflamingo - Younku level Possible? Yes. Probable? Not based on any precedent that Oda has laid out in One Piece. The poster who declared this theory has actually missed some good (best?) evidence that supports his case. But even with that evidence I still see no way someone can declare an non-Yonko as Yonko. 1) We know that there is a strong precedent that the strongest person in each crew is the captain (is there any counter evidence?), 2) We know that the reason why any crew is reported to be strong is because their captain is that strong. Based on this two premises I see no reason to declare that Kaido is not one of the strongest person/creature/whatever in the One Piece world. I also see no reason to put Doflamingo above any admiral (he has clashed with two ish). If he was stronger than Kuzan he would have killed him as he would have a strong motive. If he was not stronger than Kuzan he would have left Smoker alive. Of course new evidence could come that could strengthen or confirm the theory that Doflamingo > Kaido but until that time comes I think it is foolish to say it. PS: When the strawhats are fighting Moriah, Moriah's minions mention how he could not be defeated by Luffy and co because he almost defeated Kaido. If you think that Luffy > Moriah (pre-TS) and Kaido > Moriah (barely) and Luffy (gear 4) > Doflamingo (prediction time) then I could see that you could think Doflamingo > Kaido. But there are too many unknowns here but I think this is better evidence than anything the Doflamingo Younku level poster said (imo). Flying - Definition (manga related) - to be able to jump or move in a different direction in the air without touching something solid that directly or indirectly touches the ground. Thus spiderman and tarzan - not flying. Doflamingo/Sanji - flying Luffy - no. I know in the anime it shows him 'flying' as an above poster shows. But I believe (personal opinion ) that it was implemented for comedic/character effect not because of his ability. Did Luffy do this in the manga?? I looked it up and it appears that he did.Can Luffy defeat DF without G4? Possibly. We will never know but I highly doubt that he can within the time limit. His gear 2 doesn't pack a hard punch and DF can dodge his gear 3. It is true that Luffy finds ways to win and he could do it by being sneaky, etc. I just think he is going for the more efficient way (g4). How many chapters will the DF vs. Luffy fight last for? 2-3. Depends on how many times it cuts to the island or flashbacks. DF flashback of his gov't secret, more Law flashbacks, Sabo vs. Cp0?? or Sabo vs. Burgess?? The town getting literally shredded by the birdcage, etc etc Doflamingo crazy? Yes!! Did his crew make him more cruel/dillusional? yes. But he already had a great head start based on his elitist/entitled/egotistical/sadistic character traits (note I think this was more his nature than nurture as Corozan and his Dad were not like this). There you go. Did I miss any (unimportant) topics in the 2 week break. Just for the record I can see how other forum users could think that I am coming and posting the 'truth' because I am the smart one here, etc etc. But that is far from the truth I am mainly posting it here to see if I am right in the future and then I can laugh at you (or most likely myself) . If you have new evidence or want to debate me in a friendly way on any of these issues I would be happy to. But I don't enjoy tying myself up in useless arguments on this forum. But I am all for learning and seeing if my own ideas are based on reason or just bias. I hope you enjoyed my post! XdI think G4 will be a combination of G2/G3 (aka Luffy will be faster and stronger but it has to do with his muscles. There also has to be a major weakness (losses muscle control/spasms). I think DF will get turned into a toy (very unlikely but I am going with it )I voted other, I'm going to stick with my own theory: + Show Spoiler + On April 09 2015 22:44 saltywet wrote: In the last panel he is holding his arm in front of him, similar to Gear 3 where he would blow air into his thumb, he seems to be about to blow air into his wrist? Everyone seems to be guessing Gear 4 is a combination of Gear 2 and Gear 3, where he becomes fast and strong. I'm going to guess something along the lines - compressed air, that is, gear 3 but compressed so his body size stays same. The compressed air will have explosive power and explosive speed and if luffy is able to use the air to control the way his body stretches (as in, his arms dont expand in diameter, but only in length) his arms will have tremendous striking force. The strain on his body would be enormous though, with the air pushing aside his flesh, internal organs and blood vessels. That's one reason he might be blowing air into his wrist - blowing air into a small hole in his thumb might not be sufficient | ||
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MisterKatosS
France352 Posts
On April 21 2015 14:44 saltywet wrote: I highly doubt that G4 is vulcanization because the main problems are: 1. vulcanization is a permanent process of making polymers durable. That's right. You can't "unvulcanize" rubber. 2. Vulcanization requires sulfur additives to work. Otherwise, superheating rubber will not harden it but simply melt it. 3. While I can see Luffy as being capable of battle wits and being able to come up with battle techniques such as gear 2 and gear 3 (through training and experimenting with what he can do with his body), vulcanization is a chemical process and Luffy doesn't strike me as scientist + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2015 14:37 Sharkey wrote: Here is your chance to prediction and be right and laugh at everyone who is wrong. Or just to have some fun and see if you are right. So what do YOU think Gear 4 is like? Poll: Gear 4, what will it look like? Full body muscular vulcanization (7) Other (pls post) (3) combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength) (1) Nightmare luffy (1) Rubberized ball (Bellamy style) (1) Full body haki (0) 13 total votes Your vote: Gear 4, what will it look like? (Vote): combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength) What do YOU think will happen to Doflamingo Poll: What will happen to Doflamingo? He will escape the island (2) He will get arrested by the marines (2) He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents (2) Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew (1) He will be offered safe haven by the world governement (1) He will get turned into a toy (1) Other (plz explain) (1) He won't lose (0) He will die (0) 10 total votes Your vote: What will happen to Doflamingo? (Vote): He will escape the island Mindless drivel+ Show Spoiler + I am posting in here to share my thoughts with myself about some of the talks that have been going on lately. It is in spoilers because I do not intend to discuss this with anyone it is merely for me to look back on and see if my predictions were right. If you want to discuss this with me feel free but don't be alarmed if I don't reply. Doflamingo - Younku level Possible? Yes. Probable? Not based on any precedent that Oda has laid out in One Piece. The poster who declared this theory has actually missed some good (best?) evidence that supports his case. But even with that evidence I still see no way someone can declare an non-Yonko as Yonko. 1) We know that there is a strong precedent that the strongest person in each crew is the captain (is there any counter evidence?), 2) We know that the reason why any crew is reported to be strong is because their captain is that strong. Based on this two premises I see no reason to declare that Kaido is not one of the strongest person/creature/whatever in the One Piece world. I also see no reason to put Doflamingo above any admiral (he has clashed with two ish). If he was stronger than Kuzan he would have killed him as he would have a strong motive. If he was not stronger than Kuzan he would have left Smoker alive. Of course new evidence could come that could strengthen or confirm the theory that Doflamingo > Kaido but until that time comes I think it is foolish to say it. PS: When the strawhats are fighting Moriah, Moriah's minions mention how he could not be defeated by Luffy and co because he almost defeated Kaido. If you think that Luffy > Moriah (pre-TS) and Kaido > Moriah (barely) and Luffy (gear 4) > Doflamingo (prediction time) then I could see that you could think Doflamingo > Kaido. But there are too many unknowns here but I think this is better evidence than anything the Doflamingo Younku level poster said (imo). Flying - Definition (manga related) - to be able to jump or move in a different direction in the air without touching something solid that directly or indirectly touches the ground. Thus spiderman and tarzan - not flying. Doflamingo/Sanji - flying Luffy - no. I know in the anime it shows him 'flying' as an above poster shows. But I believe (personal opinion ) that it was implemented for comedic/character effect not because of his ability. Did Luffy do this in the manga?? I looked it up and it appears that he did.Can Luffy defeat DF without G4? Possibly. We will never know but I highly doubt that he can within the time limit. His gear 2 doesn't pack a hard punch and DF can dodge his gear 3. It is true that Luffy finds ways to win and he could do it by being sneaky, etc. I just think he is going for the more efficient way (g4). How many chapters will the DF vs. Luffy fight last for? 2-3. Depends on how many times it cuts to the island or flashbacks. DF flashback of his gov't secret, more Law flashbacks, Sabo vs. Cp0?? or Sabo vs. Burgess?? The town getting literally shredded by the birdcage, etc etc Doflamingo crazy? Yes!! Did his crew make him more cruel/dillusional? yes. But he already had a great head start based on his elitist/entitled/egotistical/sadistic character traits (note I think this was more his nature than nurture as Corozan and his Dad were not like this). There you go. Did I miss any (unimportant) topics in the 2 week break. Just for the record I can see how other forum users could think that I am coming and posting the 'truth' because I am the smart one here, etc etc. But that is far from the truth I am mainly posting it here to see if I am right in the future and then I can laugh at you (or most likely myself) . If you have new evidence or want to debate me in a friendly way on any of these issues I would be happy to. But I don't enjoy tying myself up in useless arguments on this forum. But I am all for learning and seeing if my own ideas are based on reason or just bias. I hope you enjoyed my post! XdI think G4 will be a combination of G2/G3 (aka Luffy will be faster and stronger but it has to do with his muscles. There also has to be a major weakness (losses muscle control/spasms). I think DF will get turned into a toy (very unlikely but I am going with it )I voted other, I'm going to stick with my own theory: + Show Spoiler + On April 09 2015 22:44 saltywet wrote: In the last panel he is holding his arm in front of him, similar to Gear 3 where he would blow air into his thumb, he seems to be about to blow air into his wrist? Everyone seems to be guessing Gear 4 is a combination of Gear 2 and Gear 3, where he becomes fast and strong. I'm going to guess something along the lines - compressed air, that is, gear 3 but compressed so his body size stays same. The compressed air will have explosive power and explosive speed and if luffy is able to use the air to control the way his body stretches (as in, his arms dont expand in diameter, but only in length) his arms will have tremendous striking force. The strain on his body would be enormous though, with the air pushing aside his flesh, internal organs and blood vessels. That's one reason he might be blowing air into his wrist - blowing air into a small hole in his thumb might not be sufficient One piece striked you as a realistic manga ? | ||
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