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On April 21 2015 15:57 MisterKatosS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 14:44 saltywet wrote:On April 21 2015 03:02 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 21 2015 02:50 Rukis wrote:
If I had to imagine what G4 would be it would probably be something with Haki maybe allows him to coat his whole body in haki something he couldn't do normally thus strengthens his other abilities too. I can't see gear 4 being something a simple as full body haki. Since we've seen other characters do that without using a devil fruit ability. + Show Spoiler +Is possibly the most realistic and plausible theory I've seen. Takes my full body hawk idea and actually makes some sense out of instead of just being cool flaming attacks, using the fire to vulcanize his rubber body strengthening it.greatly. Not sure I agree with the idea of Luffy using a rokugan like attack but the actual vulcanization theory sounds pretty solid to me. I highly doubt that G4 is vulcanization because the main problems are: 1. vulcanization is a permanent process of making polymers durable. That's right. You can't "unvulcanize" rubber. 2. Vulcanization requires sulfur additives to work. Otherwise, superheating rubber will not harden it but simply melt it. 3. While I can see Luffy as being capable of battle wits and being able to come up with battle techniques such as gear 2 and gear 3 (through training and experimenting with what he can do with his body), vulcanization is a chemical process and Luffy doesn't strike me as scientist + Show Spoiler +On April 21 2015 14:37 Sharkey wrote:Here is your chance to prediction and be right and laugh at everyone who is wrong. Or just to have some fun and see if you are right. So what do YOU think Gear 4 is like? Poll: Gear 4, what will it look like?Full body muscular vulcanization (7) 54% Other (pls post) (3) 23% combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength) (1) 8% Nightmare luffy (1) 8% Rubberized ball (Bellamy style) (1) 8% Full body haki (0) 0% 13 total votes Your vote: Gear 4, what will it look like? (Vote): combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength)
(Vote): Nightmare luffy
(Vote): Full body haki
(Vote): Full body muscular vulcanization
(Vote): Rubberized ball (Bellamy style)
(Vote): Other (pls post)
What do YOU think will happen to Doflamingo Poll: What will happen to Doflamingo?He will escape the island (2) 20% He will get arrested by the marines (2) 20% He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents (2) 20% Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew (1) 10% He will be offered safe haven by the world governement (1) 10% He will get turned into a toy (1) 10% Other (plz explain) (1) 10% He won't lose (0) 0% He will die (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: What will happen to Doflamingo? (Vote): He will escape the island
(Vote): Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew
(Vote): He will get arrested by the marines
(Vote): He will be offered safe haven by the world governement
(Vote): He will get turned into a toy
(Vote): He won't lose
(Vote): He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents
(Vote): He will die
(Vote): Other (plz explain)
Mindless drivel + Show Spoiler +I am posting in here to share my thoughts with myself about some of the talks that have been going on lately. It is in spoilers because I do not intend to discuss this with anyone it is merely for me to look back on and see if my predictions were right. If you want to discuss this with me feel free but don't be alarmed if I don't reply. Doflamingo - Younku levelPossible? Yes. Probable? Not based on any precedent that Oda has laid out in One Piece. The poster who declared this theory has actually missed some good (best?) evidence that supports his case. But even with that evidence I still see no way someone can declare an non-Yonko as Yonko. 1) We know that there is a strong precedent that the strongest person in each crew is the captain (is there any counter evidence?), 2) We know that the reason why any crew is reported to be strong is because their captain is that strong. Based on this two premises I see no reason to declare that Kaido is not one of the strongest person/creature/whatever in the One Piece world. I also see no reason to put Doflamingo above any admiral (he has clashed with two ish). If he was stronger than Kuzan he would have killed him as he would have a strong motive. If he was not stronger than Kuzan he would have left Smoker alive. Of course new evidence could come that could strengthen or confirm the theory that Doflamingo > Kaido but until that time comes I think it is foolish to say it. PS: When the strawhats are fighting Moriah, Moriah's minions mention how he could not be defeated by Luffy and co because he almost defeated Kaido. If you think that Luffy > Moriah (pre-TS) and Kaido > Moriah (barely) and Luffy (gear 4) > Doflamingo (prediction time) then I could see that you could think Doflamingo > Kaido. But there are too many unknowns here but I think this is better evidence than anything the Doflamingo Younku level poster said (imo). Flying - Definition (manga related) - to be able to jump or move in a different direction in the air without touching something solid that directly or indirectly touches the ground. Thus spiderman and tarzan - not flying. Doflamingo/Sanji - flying Luffy - no. I know in the anime it shows him 'flying' as an above poster shows. But I believe (personal opinion  ) that it was implemented for comedic/character effect not because of his ability. Did Luffy do this in the manga?? I looked it up and it appears that he did. Can Luffy defeat DF without G4?Possibly. We will never know but I highly doubt that he can within the time limit. His gear 2 doesn't pack a hard punch and DF can dodge his gear 3. It is true that Luffy finds ways to win and he could do it by being sneaky, etc. I just think he is going for the more efficient way (g4). How many chapters will the DF vs. Luffy fight last for?2-3. Depends on how many times it cuts to the island or flashbacks. DF flashback of his gov't secret, more Law flashbacks, Sabo vs. Cp0?? or Sabo vs. Burgess?? The town getting literally shredded by the birdcage, etc etc Doflamingo crazy?Yes!! Did his crew make him more cruel/dillusional? yes. But he already had a great head start based on his elitist/entitled/egotistical/sadistic character traits (note I think this was more his nature than nurture as Corozan and his Dad were not like this). There you go.  Did I miss any (unimportant) topics in the 2 week break. Just for the record I can see how other forum users could think that I am coming and posting the 'truth' because I am the smart one here, etc etc. But that is far from the truth I am mainly posting it here to see if I am right in the future and then I can laugh at you (or most likely myself) . If you have new evidence or want to debate me in a friendly way on any of these issues I would be happy to. But I don't enjoy tying myself up in useless arguments on this forum. But I am all for learning and seeing if my own ideas are based on reason or just bias. I hope you enjoyed my post! Xd I think G4 will be a combination of G2/G3 (aka Luffy will be faster and stronger but it has to do with his muscles. There also has to be a major weakness (losses muscle control/spasms). I think DF will get turned into a toy (very unlikely but I am going with it ) I voted other, I'm going to stick with my own theory: + Show Spoiler +On April 09 2015 22:44 saltywet wrote:
In the last panel he is holding his arm in front of him, similar to Gear 3 where he would blow air into his thumb, he seems to be about to blow air into his wrist?
Everyone seems to be guessing Gear 4 is a combination of Gear 2 and Gear 3, where he becomes fast and strong. I'm going to guess something along the lines - compressed air, that is, gear 3 but compressed so his body size stays same. The compressed air will have explosive power and explosive speed and if luffy is able to use the air to control the way his body stretches (as in, his arms dont expand in diameter, but only in length) his arms will have tremendous striking force. The strain on his body would be enormous though, with the air pushing aside his flesh, internal organs and blood vessels.
That's one reason he might be blowing air into his wrist - blowing air into a small hole in his thumb might not be sufficient One piece striked you as a realistic manga ?
Most mangas still follow some basic scientific laws and principles in their storyline. Some mangas break some scientific laws (eg law of conservation) because they use magic as their main principle. Law can cut off someone's head without killing them and Doflamingo can can control people using his strings because it's defined by Oda as a property of their devil fruits.
It's not so much about vulcanization being unrealistic, but that the concept and application of vulcanization here makes 0 sense.
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On April 21 2015 17:56 saltywet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 15:57 MisterKatosS wrote:On April 21 2015 14:44 saltywet wrote:On April 21 2015 03:02 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 21 2015 02:50 Rukis wrote:
If I had to imagine what G4 would be it would probably be something with Haki maybe allows him to coat his whole body in haki something he couldn't do normally thus strengthens his other abilities too. I can't see gear 4 being something a simple as full body haki. Since we've seen other characters do that without using a devil fruit ability. + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-haE4ITT_eY Is possibly the most realistic and plausible theory I've seen. Takes my full body hawk idea and actually makes some sense out of instead of just being cool flaming attacks, using the fire to vulcanize his rubber body strengthening it.greatly. Not sure I agree with the idea of Luffy using a rokugan like attack but the actual vulcanization theory sounds pretty solid to me. I highly doubt that G4 is vulcanization because the main problems are: 1. vulcanization is a permanent process of making polymers durable. That's right. You can't "unvulcanize" rubber. 2. Vulcanization requires sulfur additives to work. Otherwise, superheating rubber will not harden it but simply melt it. 3. While I can see Luffy as being capable of battle wits and being able to come up with battle techniques such as gear 2 and gear 3 (through training and experimenting with what he can do with his body), vulcanization is a chemical process and Luffy doesn't strike me as scientist + Show Spoiler +On April 21 2015 14:37 Sharkey wrote:Here is your chance to prediction and be right and laugh at everyone who is wrong. Or just to have some fun and see if you are right. So what do YOU think Gear 4 is like? Poll: Gear 4, what will it look like?Full body muscular vulcanization (7) 54% Other (pls post) (3) 23% combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength) (1) 8% Nightmare luffy (1) 8% Rubberized ball (Bellamy style) (1) 8% Full body haki (0) 0% 13 total votes Your vote: Gear 4, what will it look like? (Vote): combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength)
(Vote): Nightmare luffy
(Vote): Full body haki
(Vote): Full body muscular vulcanization
(Vote): Rubberized ball (Bellamy style)
(Vote): Other (pls post)
What do YOU think will happen to Doflamingo Poll: What will happen to Doflamingo?He will escape the island (2) 20% He will get arrested by the marines (2) 20% He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents (2) 20% Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew (1) 10% He will be offered safe haven by the world governement (1) 10% He will get turned into a toy (1) 10% Other (plz explain) (1) 10% He won't lose (0) 0% He will die (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: What will happen to Doflamingo? (Vote): He will escape the island
(Vote): Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew
(Vote): He will get arrested by the marines
(Vote): He will be offered safe haven by the world governement
(Vote): He will get turned into a toy
(Vote): He won't lose
(Vote): He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents
(Vote): He will die
(Vote): Other (plz explain)
Mindless drivel + Show Spoiler +I am posting in here to share my thoughts with myself about some of the talks that have been going on lately. It is in spoilers because I do not intend to discuss this with anyone it is merely for me to look back on and see if my predictions were right. If you want to discuss this with me feel free but don't be alarmed if I don't reply. Doflamingo - Younku levelPossible? Yes. Probable? Not based on any precedent that Oda has laid out in One Piece. The poster who declared this theory has actually missed some good (best?) evidence that supports his case. But even with that evidence I still see no way someone can declare an non-Yonko as Yonko. 1) We know that there is a strong precedent that the strongest person in each crew is the captain (is there any counter evidence?), 2) We know that the reason why any crew is reported to be strong is because their captain is that strong. Based on this two premises I see no reason to declare that Kaido is not one of the strongest person/creature/whatever in the One Piece world. I also see no reason to put Doflamingo above any admiral (he has clashed with two ish). If he was stronger than Kuzan he would have killed him as he would have a strong motive. If he was not stronger than Kuzan he would have left Smoker alive. Of course new evidence could come that could strengthen or confirm the theory that Doflamingo > Kaido but until that time comes I think it is foolish to say it. PS: When the strawhats are fighting Moriah, Moriah's minions mention how he could not be defeated by Luffy and co because he almost defeated Kaido. If you think that Luffy > Moriah (pre-TS) and Kaido > Moriah (barely) and Luffy (gear 4) > Doflamingo (prediction time) then I could see that you could think Doflamingo > Kaido. But there are too many unknowns here but I think this is better evidence than anything the Doflamingo Younku level poster said (imo). Flying - Definition (manga related) - to be able to jump or move in a different direction in the air without touching something solid that directly or indirectly touches the ground. Thus spiderman and tarzan - not flying. Doflamingo/Sanji - flying Luffy - no. I know in the anime it shows him 'flying' as an above poster shows. But I believe (personal opinion ) that it was implemented for comedic/character effect not because of his ability. Did Luffy do this in the manga?? I looked it up and it appears that he did. Can Luffy defeat DF without G4?Possibly. We will never know but I highly doubt that he can within the time limit. His gear 2 doesn't pack a hard punch and DF can dodge his gear 3. It is true that Luffy finds ways to win and he could do it by being sneaky, etc. I just think he is going for the more efficient way (g4). How many chapters will the DF vs. Luffy fight last for?2-3. Depends on how many times it cuts to the island or flashbacks. DF flashback of his gov't secret, more Law flashbacks, Sabo vs. Cp0?? or Sabo vs. Burgess?? The town getting literally shredded by the birdcage, etc etc Doflamingo crazy?Yes!! Did his crew make him more cruel/dillusional? yes. But he already had a great head start based on his elitist/entitled/egotistical/sadistic character traits (note I think this was more his nature than nurture as Corozan and his Dad were not like this). There you go. Did I miss any (unimportant) topics in the 2 week break. Just for the record I can see how other forum users could think that I am coming and posting the 'truth' because I am the smart one here, etc etc. But that is far from the truth I am mainly posting it here to see if I am right in the future and then I can laugh at you (or most likely myself) . If you have new evidence or want to debate me in a friendly way on any of these issues I would be happy to. But I don't enjoy tying myself up in useless arguments on this forum. But I am all for learning and seeing if my own ideas are based on reason or just bias. I hope you enjoyed my post! Xd I think G4 will be a combination of G2/G3 (aka Luffy will be faster and stronger but it has to do with his muscles. There also has to be a major weakness (losses muscle control/spasms). I think DF will get turned into a toy (very unlikely but I am going with it ) I voted other, I'm going to stick with my own theory: + Show Spoiler +On April 09 2015 22:44 saltywet wrote:
In the last panel he is holding his arm in front of him, similar to Gear 3 where he would blow air into his thumb, he seems to be about to blow air into his wrist?
Everyone seems to be guessing Gear 4 is a combination of Gear 2 and Gear 3, where he becomes fast and strong. I'm going to guess something along the lines - compressed air, that is, gear 3 but compressed so his body size stays same. The compressed air will have explosive power and explosive speed and if luffy is able to use the air to control the way his body stretches (as in, his arms dont expand in diameter, but only in length) his arms will have tremendous striking force. The strain on his body would be enormous though, with the air pushing aside his flesh, internal organs and blood vessels.
That's one reason he might be blowing air into his wrist - blowing air into a small hole in his thumb might not be sufficient One piece striked you as a realistic manga ? Most mangas still follow some basic scientific laws and principles in their storyline. Some mangas break some scientific laws (eg law of conservation) because they use magic as their main principle. Law can cut off someone's head without killing them and Doflamingo can can control people using his strings because it's defined by Oda as a property of their devil fruits. It's not so much about vulcanization being unrealistic, but that the concept and application of vulcanization here makes 0 sense.
Yea I will admit I really didn't know much about the vulcanization process, while manga's do tend to break therules of physics and reality, some like one piece do like to ground themselves. Outside of the magically powers Oda seems to like staying within the realm of realistic science. Makes me doubt the vulcanization theory quite a bit. He could just do it anyway, could be explained as Luffy's rubber is different I mean it is a devil fruit that made him rubber so maybe he doesn't have to follow the regular rules here?
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On April 21 2015 14:37 Sharkey wrote:Here is your chance to prediction and be right and laugh at everyone who is wrong. Or just to have some fun and see if you are right. So what do YOU think Gear 4 is like? + Show Spoiler +Poll: Gear 4, what will it look like?Full body muscular vulcanization (7) 54% Other (pls post) (3) 23% combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength) (1) 8% Nightmare luffy (1) 8% Rubberized ball (Bellamy style) (1) 8% Full body haki (0) 0% 13 total votes Your vote: Gear 4, what will it look like? (Vote): combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength)
(Vote): Nightmare luffy
(Vote): Full body haki
(Vote): Full body muscular vulcanization
(Vote): Rubberized ball (Bellamy style)
(Vote): Other (pls post)
What do YOU think will happen to Doflamingo + Show Spoiler +Poll: What will happen to Doflamingo?He will escape the island (2) 20% He will get arrested by the marines (2) 20% He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents (2) 20% Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew (1) 10% He will be offered safe haven by the world governement (1) 10% He will get turned into a toy (1) 10% Other (plz explain) (1) 10% He won't lose (0) 0% He will die (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: What will happen to Doflamingo? (Vote): He will escape the island
(Vote): Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew
(Vote): He will get arrested by the marines
(Vote): He will be offered safe haven by the world governement
(Vote): He will get turned into a toy
(Vote): He won't lose
(Vote): He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents
(Vote): He will die
(Vote): Other (plz explain)
Mindless drivel + Show Spoiler +I am posting in here to share my thoughts with myself about some of the talks that have been going on lately. It is in spoilers because I do not intend to discuss this with anyone it is merely for me to look back on and see if my predictions were right. If you want to discuss this with me feel free but don't be alarmed if I don't reply. Doflamingo - Younku levelPossible? Yes. Probable? Not based on any precedent that Oda has laid out in One Piece. The poster who declared this theory has actually missed some good (best?) evidence that supports his case. But even with that evidence I still see no way someone can declare an non-Yonko as Yonko. 1) We know that there is a strong precedent that the strongest person in each crew is the captain (is there any counter evidence?), 2) We know that the reason why any crew is reported to be strong is because their captain is that strong. Based on this two premises I see no reason to declare that Kaido is not one of the strongest person/creature/whatever in the One Piece world. I also see no reason to put Doflamingo above any admiral (he has clashed with two ish). If he was stronger than Kuzan he would have killed him as he would have a strong motive. If he was not stronger than Kuzan he would have left Smoker alive. Of course new evidence could come that could strengthen or confirm the theory that Doflamingo > Kaido but until that time comes I think it is foolish to say it. PS: When the strawhats are fighting Moriah, Moriah's minions mention how he could not be defeated by Luffy and co because he almost defeated Kaido. If you think that Luffy > Moriah (pre-TS) and Kaido > Moriah (barely) and Luffy (gear 4) > Doflamingo (prediction time) then I could see that you could think Doflamingo > Kaido. But there are too many unknowns here but I think this is better evidence than anything the Doflamingo Younku level poster said (imo). Flying - Definition (manga related) - to be able to jump or move in a different direction in the air without touching something solid that directly or indirectly touches the ground. Thus spiderman and tarzan - not flying. Doflamingo/Sanji - flying Luffy - no. I know in the anime it shows him 'flying' as an above poster shows. But I believe (personal opinion ) that it was implemented for comedic/character effect not because of his ability. Did Luffy do this in the manga?? I looked it up and it appears that he did. Can Luffy defeat DF without G4?Possibly. We will never know but I highly doubt that he can within the time limit. His gear 2 doesn't pack a hard punch and DF can dodge his gear 3. It is true that Luffy finds ways to win and he could do it by being sneaky, etc. I just think he is going for the more efficient way (g4). How many chapters will the DF vs. Luffy fight last for?2-3. Depends on how many times it cuts to the island or flashbacks. DF flashback of his gov't secret, more Law flashbacks, Sabo vs. Cp0?? or Sabo vs. Burgess?? The town getting literally shredded by the birdcage, etc etc Doflamingo crazy?Yes!! Did his crew make him more cruel/dillusional? yes. But he already had a great head start based on his elitist/entitled/egotistical/sadistic character traits (note I think this was more his nature than nurture as Corozan and his Dad were not like this). There you go. Did I miss any (unimportant) topics in the 2 week break. Just for the record I can see how other forum users could think that I am coming and posting the 'truth' because I am the smart one here, etc etc. But that is far from the truth I am mainly posting it here to see if I am right in the future and then I can laugh at you (or most likely myself) . If you have new evidence or want to debate me in a friendly way on any of these issues I would be happy to. But I don't enjoy tying myself up in useless arguments on this forum. But I am all for learning and seeing if my own ideas are based on reason or just bias. I hope you enjoyed my post! Xd I think G4 will be a combination of G2/G3 (aka Luffy will be faster and stronger but it has to do with his muscles. There also has to be a major weakness (losses muscle control/spasms). I think DF will get turned into a toy (very unlikely but I am going with it )
I also don't think vulcanization is correct, but I could see it having something to do with his muscles, or "compressed air" as saltywet said.
I think CP0 might capture Doffy and take him to the celestial dragons but I don't see him getting safe haven or getting assassinated, so I have to put other there too.
As for your drivel, I can only say that Buggy isn't the strongest in his crew, nor is his relative "strength" at all related to his personal power, so there's a contradiction right off the bat.
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On April 21 2015 23:40 LaughingTulkas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 14:37 Sharkey wrote:Here is your chance to prediction and be right and laugh at everyone who is wrong. Or just to have some fun and see if you are right. So what do YOU think Gear 4 is like? + Show Spoiler +Poll: Gear 4, what will it look like?Full body muscular vulcanization (7) 54% Other (pls post) (3) 23% combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength) (1) 8% Nightmare luffy (1) 8% Rubberized ball (Bellamy style) (1) 8% Full body haki (0) 0% 13 total votes Your vote: Gear 4, what will it look like? (Vote): combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength)
(Vote): Nightmare luffy
(Vote): Full body haki
(Vote): Full body muscular vulcanization
(Vote): Rubberized ball (Bellamy style)
(Vote): Other (pls post)
What do YOU think will happen to Doflamingo + Show Spoiler +Poll: What will happen to Doflamingo?He will escape the island (2) 20% He will get arrested by the marines (2) 20% He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents (2) 20% Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew (1) 10% He will be offered safe haven by the world governement (1) 10% He will get turned into a toy (1) 10% Other (plz explain) (1) 10% He won't lose (0) 0% He will die (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: What will happen to Doflamingo? (Vote): He will escape the island
(Vote): Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew
(Vote): He will get arrested by the marines
(Vote): He will be offered safe haven by the world governement
(Vote): He will get turned into a toy
(Vote): He won't lose
(Vote): He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents
(Vote): He will die
(Vote): Other (plz explain)
Mindless drivel + Show Spoiler +I am posting in here to share my thoughts with myself about some of the talks that have been going on lately. It is in spoilers because I do not intend to discuss this with anyone it is merely for me to look back on and see if my predictions were right. If you want to discuss this with me feel free but don't be alarmed if I don't reply. Doflamingo - Younku levelPossible? Yes. Probable? Not based on any precedent that Oda has laid out in One Piece. The poster who declared this theory has actually missed some good (best?) evidence that supports his case. But even with that evidence I still see no way someone can declare an non-Yonko as Yonko. 1) We know that there is a strong precedent that the strongest person in each crew is the captain (is there any counter evidence?), 2) We know that the reason why any crew is reported to be strong is because their captain is that strong. Based on this two premises I see no reason to declare that Kaido is not one of the strongest person/creature/whatever in the One Piece world. I also see no reason to put Doflamingo above any admiral (he has clashed with two ish). If he was stronger than Kuzan he would have killed him as he would have a strong motive. If he was not stronger than Kuzan he would have left Smoker alive. Of course new evidence could come that could strengthen or confirm the theory that Doflamingo > Kaido but until that time comes I think it is foolish to say it. PS: When the strawhats are fighting Moriah, Moriah's minions mention how he could not be defeated by Luffy and co because he almost defeated Kaido. If you think that Luffy > Moriah (pre-TS) and Kaido > Moriah (barely) and Luffy (gear 4) > Doflamingo (prediction time) then I could see that you could think Doflamingo > Kaido. But there are too many unknowns here but I think this is better evidence than anything the Doflamingo Younku level poster said (imo). Flying - Definition (manga related) - to be able to jump or move in a different direction in the air without touching something solid that directly or indirectly touches the ground. Thus spiderman and tarzan - not flying. Doflamingo/Sanji - flying Luffy - no. I know in the anime it shows him 'flying' as an above poster shows. But I believe (personal opinion ) that it was implemented for comedic/character effect not because of his ability. Did Luffy do this in the manga?? I looked it up and it appears that he did. Can Luffy defeat DF without G4?Possibly. We will never know but I highly doubt that he can within the time limit. His gear 2 doesn't pack a hard punch and DF can dodge his gear 3. It is true that Luffy finds ways to win and he could do it by being sneaky, etc. I just think he is going for the more efficient way (g4). How many chapters will the DF vs. Luffy fight last for?2-3. Depends on how many times it cuts to the island or flashbacks. DF flashback of his gov't secret, more Law flashbacks, Sabo vs. Cp0?? or Sabo vs. Burgess?? The town getting literally shredded by the birdcage, etc etc Doflamingo crazy?Yes!! Did his crew make him more cruel/dillusional? yes. But he already had a great head start based on his elitist/entitled/egotistical/sadistic character traits (note I think this was more his nature than nurture as Corozan and his Dad were not like this). There you go. Did I miss any (unimportant) topics in the 2 week break. Just for the record I can see how other forum users could think that I am coming and posting the 'truth' because I am the smart one here, etc etc. But that is far from the truth I am mainly posting it here to see if I am right in the future and then I can laugh at you (or most likely myself) . If you have new evidence or want to debate me in a friendly way on any of these issues I would be happy to. But I don't enjoy tying myself up in useless arguments on this forum. But I am all for learning and seeing if my own ideas are based on reason or just bias. I hope you enjoyed my post! Xd I think G4 will be a combination of G2/G3 (aka Luffy will be faster and stronger but it has to do with his muscles. There also has to be a major weakness (losses muscle control/spasms). I think DF will get turned into a toy (very unlikely but I am going with it ) I also don't think vulcanization is correct, but I could see it having something to do with his muscles, or "compressed air" as saltywet said. I think CP0 might capture Doffy and take him to the celestial dragons but I don't see him getting safe haven or getting assassinated, so I have to put other there too. As for your drivel, I can only say that Buggy isn't the strongest in his crew, nor is his relative "strength" at all related to his personal power, so there's a contradiction right off the bat.
To be fair, Buggy is the exception not the rule. One Piece regrettably follows some shonen stereotypes including the one with the "boss" being the most capable warrior of his organization.
Also if wouldn't be hard for Oda to just revert Luffy back from vulcanizing by simply saying the effect wore off and chuck it up to devil fruit magic. One Piece tends to operate on the rule of cool so it wouldn't be too universe-breaking for Luffy to become vulcanized temporarily as long as it looks awesome.
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On April 22 2015 00:40 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 23:40 LaughingTulkas wrote:On April 21 2015 14:37 Sharkey wrote:Here is your chance to prediction and be right and laugh at everyone who is wrong. Or just to have some fun and see if you are right. So what do YOU think Gear 4 is like? + Show Spoiler +Poll: Gear 4, what will it look like?Full body muscular vulcanization (7) 54% Other (pls post) (3) 23% combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength) (1) 8% Nightmare luffy (1) 8% Rubberized ball (Bellamy style) (1) 8% Full body haki (0) 0% 13 total votes Your vote: Gear 4, what will it look like? (Vote): combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength)
(Vote): Nightmare luffy
(Vote): Full body haki
(Vote): Full body muscular vulcanization
(Vote): Rubberized ball (Bellamy style)
(Vote): Other (pls post)
What do YOU think will happen to Doflamingo + Show Spoiler +Poll: What will happen to Doflamingo?He will escape the island (2) 20% He will get arrested by the marines (2) 20% He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents (2) 20% Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew (1) 10% He will be offered safe haven by the world governement (1) 10% He will get turned into a toy (1) 10% Other (plz explain) (1) 10% He won't lose (0) 0% He will die (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: What will happen to Doflamingo? (Vote): He will escape the island
(Vote): Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew
(Vote): He will get arrested by the marines
(Vote): He will be offered safe haven by the world governement
(Vote): He will get turned into a toy
(Vote): He won't lose
(Vote): He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents
(Vote): He will die
(Vote): Other (plz explain)
Mindless drivel + Show Spoiler +I am posting in here to share my thoughts with myself about some of the talks that have been going on lately. It is in spoilers because I do not intend to discuss this with anyone it is merely for me to look back on and see if my predictions were right. If you want to discuss this with me feel free but don't be alarmed if I don't reply. Doflamingo - Younku levelPossible? Yes. Probable? Not based on any precedent that Oda has laid out in One Piece. The poster who declared this theory has actually missed some good (best?) evidence that supports his case. But even with that evidence I still see no way someone can declare an non-Yonko as Yonko. 1) We know that there is a strong precedent that the strongest person in each crew is the captain (is there any counter evidence?), 2) We know that the reason why any crew is reported to be strong is because their captain is that strong. Based on this two premises I see no reason to declare that Kaido is not one of the strongest person/creature/whatever in the One Piece world. I also see no reason to put Doflamingo above any admiral (he has clashed with two ish). If he was stronger than Kuzan he would have killed him as he would have a strong motive. If he was not stronger than Kuzan he would have left Smoker alive. Of course new evidence could come that could strengthen or confirm the theory that Doflamingo > Kaido but until that time comes I think it is foolish to say it. PS: When the strawhats are fighting Moriah, Moriah's minions mention how he could not be defeated by Luffy and co because he almost defeated Kaido. If you think that Luffy > Moriah (pre-TS) and Kaido > Moriah (barely) and Luffy (gear 4) > Doflamingo (prediction time) then I could see that you could think Doflamingo > Kaido. But there are too many unknowns here but I think this is better evidence than anything the Doflamingo Younku level poster said (imo). Flying - Definition (manga related) - to be able to jump or move in a different direction in the air without touching something solid that directly or indirectly touches the ground. Thus spiderman and tarzan - not flying. Doflamingo/Sanji - flying Luffy - no. I know in the anime it shows him 'flying' as an above poster shows. But I believe (personal opinion ) that it was implemented for comedic/character effect not because of his ability. Did Luffy do this in the manga?? I looked it up and it appears that he did. Can Luffy defeat DF without G4?Possibly. We will never know but I highly doubt that he can within the time limit. His gear 2 doesn't pack a hard punch and DF can dodge his gear 3. It is true that Luffy finds ways to win and he could do it by being sneaky, etc. I just think he is going for the more efficient way (g4). How many chapters will the DF vs. Luffy fight last for?2-3. Depends on how many times it cuts to the island or flashbacks. DF flashback of his gov't secret, more Law flashbacks, Sabo vs. Cp0?? or Sabo vs. Burgess?? The town getting literally shredded by the birdcage, etc etc Doflamingo crazy?Yes!! Did his crew make him more cruel/dillusional? yes. But he already had a great head start based on his elitist/entitled/egotistical/sadistic character traits (note I think this was more his nature than nurture as Corozan and his Dad were not like this). There you go. Did I miss any (unimportant) topics in the 2 week break. Just for the record I can see how other forum users could think that I am coming and posting the 'truth' because I am the smart one here, etc etc. But that is far from the truth I am mainly posting it here to see if I am right in the future and then I can laugh at you (or most likely myself) . If you have new evidence or want to debate me in a friendly way on any of these issues I would be happy to. But I don't enjoy tying myself up in useless arguments on this forum. But I am all for learning and seeing if my own ideas are based on reason or just bias. I hope you enjoyed my post! Xd I think G4 will be a combination of G2/G3 (aka Luffy will be faster and stronger but it has to do with his muscles. There also has to be a major weakness (losses muscle control/spasms). I think DF will get turned into a toy (very unlikely but I am going with it ) I also don't think vulcanization is correct, but I could see it having something to do with his muscles, or "compressed air" as saltywet said. I think CP0 might capture Doffy and take him to the celestial dragons but I don't see him getting safe haven or getting assassinated, so I have to put other there too. As for your drivel, I can only say that Buggy isn't the strongest in his crew, nor is his relative "strength" at all related to his personal power, so there's a contradiction right off the bat. To be fair, Buggy is the exception not the rule. One Piece regrettably follows some shonen stereotypes including the one with the "boss" being the most capable warrior of his organization. Also if wouldn't be hard for Oda to just revert Luffy back from vulcanizing by simply saying the effect wore off and chuck it up to devil fruit magic. One Piece tends to operate on the rule of cool so it wouldn't be too universe-breaking for Luffy to become vulcanized temporarily as long as it looks awesome.
Caesar? The head of CP9? I'll agree its a trope, but its not a rule
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On April 21 2015 04:05 Raneth wrote:
So, on the idea of Luffy using Rokugan, something i've been wondering for a while, muscles grow by tearing and repairing stronger, but luffy's muscles are rubber, and stretch... Has he been unable to increase his raw physical strength since eating the fruit? :S If this were along the right line of thinking, he could theoretically use Haki internally to disable/circumvent his fruit power, stop the muscles from stretching, thus tear/repair/grow like normal muscles, and thus he'd finally be able to 'improve' his strength again.
Not sure I buy into it, as a manga (especially One Piece) indulging in such a tiny detail to explain a power-up seems a bit different from the usual way of doing things, but it is an interesting thought. Such a science based method of getting stronger is also completely unlike Luffy - let's be real, he's fairly dumb when it comes to that realm of thinking. Shonen/main character powers could potentially let him 'stumble' on to it as a solution though.
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On April 22 2015 00:40 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 23:40 LaughingTulkas wrote:On April 21 2015 14:37 Sharkey wrote:Here is your chance to prediction and be right and laugh at everyone who is wrong. Or just to have some fun and see if you are right. So what do YOU think Gear 4 is like? + Show Spoiler +Poll: Gear 4, what will it look like?Full body muscular vulcanization (7) 54% Other (pls post) (3) 23% combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength) (1) 8% Nightmare luffy (1) 8% Rubberized ball (Bellamy style) (1) 8% Full body haki (0) 0% 13 total votes Your vote: Gear 4, what will it look like? (Vote): combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength)
(Vote): Nightmare luffy
(Vote): Full body haki
(Vote): Full body muscular vulcanization
(Vote): Rubberized ball (Bellamy style)
(Vote): Other (pls post)
What do YOU think will happen to Doflamingo + Show Spoiler +Poll: What will happen to Doflamingo?He will escape the island (2) 20% He will get arrested by the marines (2) 20% He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents (2) 20% Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew (1) 10% He will be offered safe haven by the world governement (1) 10% He will get turned into a toy (1) 10% Other (plz explain) (1) 10% He won't lose (0) 0% He will die (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: What will happen to Doflamingo? (Vote): He will escape the island
(Vote): Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew
(Vote): He will get arrested by the marines
(Vote): He will be offered safe haven by the world governement
(Vote): He will get turned into a toy
(Vote): He won't lose
(Vote): He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents
(Vote): He will die
(Vote): Other (plz explain)
Mindless drivel + Show Spoiler +I am posting in here to share my thoughts with myself about some of the talks that have been going on lately. It is in spoilers because I do not intend to discuss this with anyone it is merely for me to look back on and see if my predictions were right. If you want to discuss this with me feel free but don't be alarmed if I don't reply. + Show Spoiler +Doflamingo - Younku levelPossible? Yes. Probable? Not based on any precedent that Oda has laid out in One Piece. The poster who declared this theory has actually missed some good (best?) evidence that supports his case. But even with that evidence I still see no way someone can declare an non-Yonko as Yonko. 1) We know that there is a strong precedent that the strongest person in each crew is the captain (is there any counter evidence?), 2) We know that the reason why any crew is reported to be strong is because their captain is that strong. Based on this two premises I see no reason to declare that Kaido is not one of the strongest person/creature/whatever in the One Piece world. I also see no reason to put Doflamingo above any admiral (he has clashed with two ish). If he was stronger than Kuzan he would have killed him as he would have a strong motive. If he was not stronger than Kuzan he would have left Smoker alive. Of course new evidence could come that could strengthen or confirm the theory that Doflamingo > Kaido but until that time comes I think it is foolish to say it. PS: When the strawhats are fighting Moriah, Moriah's minions mention how he could not be defeated by Luffy and co because he almost defeated Kaido. If you think that Luffy > Moriah (pre-TS) and Kaido > Moriah (barely) and Luffy (gear 4) > Doflamingo (prediction time) then I could see that you could think Doflamingo > Kaido. But there are too many unknowns here but I think this is better evidence than anything the Doflamingo Younku level poster said (imo). Flying - Definition (manga related) - to be able to jump or move in a different direction in the air without touching something solid that directly or indirectly touches the ground. Thus spiderman and tarzan - not flying. Doflamingo/Sanji - flying Luffy - no. I know in the anime it shows him 'flying' as an above poster shows. But I believe (personal opinion ) that it was implemented for comedic/character effect not because of his ability. Did Luffy do this in the manga?? I looked it up and it appears that he did. Can Luffy defeat DF without G4?Possibly. We will never know but I highly doubt that he can within the time limit. His gear 2 doesn't pack a hard punch and DF can dodge his gear 3. It is true that Luffy finds ways to win and he could do it by being sneaky, etc. I just think he is going for the more efficient way (g4). How many chapters will the DF vs. Luffy fight last for?2-3. Depends on how many times it cuts to the island or flashbacks. DF flashback of his gov't secret, more Law flashbacks, Sabo vs. Cp0?? or Sabo vs. Burgess?? The town getting literally shredded by the birdcage, etc etc Doflamingo crazy?Yes!! Did his crew make him more cruel/dillusional? yes. But he already had a great head start based on his elitist/entitled/egotistical/sadistic character traits (note I think this was more his nature than nurture as Corozan and his Dad were not like this). There you go. Did I miss any (unimportant) topics in the 2 week break. Just for the record I can see how other forum users could think that I am coming and posting the 'truth' because I am the smart one here, etc etc. But that is far from the truth I am mainly posting it here to see if I am right in the future and then I can laugh at you (or most likely myself) . If you have new evidence or want to debate me in a friendly way on any of these issues I would be happy to. But I don't enjoy tying myself up in useless arguments on this forum. But I am all for learning and seeing if my own ideas are based on reason or just bias. I hope you enjoyed my post! Xd I think G4 will be a combination of G2/G3 (aka Luffy will be faster and stronger but it has to do with his muscles. There also has to be a major weakness (losses muscle control/spasms). I think DF will get turned into a toy (very unlikely but I am going with it ) I also don't think vulcanization is correct, but I could see it having something to do with his muscles, or "compressed air" as saltywet said. I think CP0 might capture Doffy and take him to the celestial dragons but I don't see him getting safe haven or getting assassinated, so I have to put other there too. As for your drivel, I can only say that Buggy isn't the strongest in his crew, nor is his relative "strength" at all related to his personal power, so there's a contradiction right off the bat. To be fair, Buggy is the exception not the rule. One Piece regrettably follows some shonen stereotypes including the one with the "boss" being the most capable warrior of his organization. Also if wouldn't be hard for Oda to just revert Luffy back from vulcanizing by simply saying the effect wore off and chuck it up to devil fruit magic. One Piece tends to operate on the rule of cool so it wouldn't be too universe-breaking for Luffy to become vulcanized temporarily as long as it looks awesome.
Let me remake my statement regarding the vulcanization theory. It is entirely possible for G4 to be some form of heating up/toughening of Luffy's body (in the one piece realm, although it's scientifically inaccurate). But vulcanization is the process used specifically to permanently toughen rubber/polymers through the addition of sulfur. The word "vulcanization" would be completely misused in this context. It would be like describing the magnetic forces between two magnets as "gravity".
+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2015 14:37 Sharkey wrote:Here is your chance to prediction and be right and laugh at everyone who is wrong. Or just to have some fun and see if you are right. So what do YOU think Gear 4 is like? Poll: Gear 4, what will it look like?Full body muscular vulcanization (7) 54% Other (pls post) (3) 23% combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength) (1) 8% Nightmare luffy (1) 8% Rubberized ball (Bellamy style) (1) 8% Full body haki (0) 0% 13 total votes Your vote: Gear 4, what will it look like? (Vote): combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength)
(Vote): Nightmare luffy
(Vote): Full body haki
(Vote): Full body muscular vulcanization
(Vote): Rubberized ball (Bellamy style)
(Vote): Other (pls post)
What do YOU think will happen to Doflamingo Poll: What will happen to Doflamingo?He will escape the island (2) 20% He will get arrested by the marines (2) 20% He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents (2) 20% Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew (1) 10% He will be offered safe haven by the world governement (1) 10% He will get turned into a toy (1) 10% Other (plz explain) (1) 10% He won't lose (0) 0% He will die (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: What will happen to Doflamingo? (Vote): He will escape the island
(Vote): Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew
(Vote): He will get arrested by the marines
(Vote): He will be offered safe haven by the world governement
(Vote): He will get turned into a toy
(Vote): He won't lose
(Vote): He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents
(Vote): He will die
(Vote): Other (plz explain)
Mindless drivel + Show Spoiler +I am posting in here to share my thoughts with myself about some of the talks that have been going on lately. It is in spoilers because I do not intend to discuss this with anyone it is merely for me to look back on and see if my predictions were right. If you want to discuss this with me feel free but don't be alarmed if I don't reply. Doflamingo - Younku levelPossible? Yes. Probable? Not based on any precedent that Oda has laid out in One Piece. The poster who declared this theory has actually missed some good (best?) evidence that supports his case. But even with that evidence I still see no way someone can declare an non-Yonko as Yonko. 1) We know that there is a strong precedent that the strongest person in each crew is the captain (is there any counter evidence?), 2) We know that the reason why any crew is reported to be strong is because their captain is that strong. Based on this two premises I see no reason to declare that Kaido is not one of the strongest person/creature/whatever in the One Piece world. I also see no reason to put Doflamingo above any admiral (he has clashed with two ish). If he was stronger than Kuzan he would have killed him as he would have a strong motive. If he was not stronger than Kuzan he would have left Smoker alive. Of course new evidence could come that could strengthen or confirm the theory that Doflamingo > Kaido but until that time comes I think it is foolish to say it. PS: When the strawhats are fighting Moriah, Moriah's minions mention how he could not be defeated by Luffy and co because he almost defeated Kaido. If you think that Luffy > Moriah (pre-TS) and Kaido > Moriah (barely) and Luffy (gear 4) > Doflamingo (prediction time) then I could see that you could think Doflamingo > Kaido. But there are too many unknowns here but I think this is better evidence than anything the Doflamingo Younku level poster said (imo). Flying - Definition (manga related) - to be able to jump or move in a different direction in the air without touching something solid that directly or indirectly touches the ground. Thus spiderman and tarzan - not flying. Doflamingo/Sanji - flying Luffy - no. I know in the anime it shows him 'flying' as an above poster shows. But I believe (personal opinion ) that it was implemented for comedic/character effect not because of his ability. Did Luffy do this in the manga?? I looked it up and it appears that he did. Can Luffy defeat DF without G4?Possibly. We will never know but I highly doubt that he can within the time limit. His gear 2 doesn't pack a hard punch and DF can dodge his gear 3. It is true that Luffy finds ways to win and he could do it by being sneaky, etc. I just think he is going for the more efficient way (g4). How many chapters will the DF vs. Luffy fight last for?2-3. Depends on how many times it cuts to the island or flashbacks. DF flashback of his gov't secret, more Law flashbacks, Sabo vs. Cp0?? or Sabo vs. Burgess?? The town getting literally shredded by the birdcage, etc etc Doflamingo crazy?Yes!! Did his crew make him more cruel/dillusional? yes. But he already had a great head start based on his elitist/entitled/egotistical/sadistic character traits (note I think this was more his nature than nurture as Corozan and his Dad were not like this). There you go. Did I miss any (unimportant) topics in the 2 week break. Just for the record I can see how other forum users could think that I am coming and posting the 'truth' because I am the smart one here, etc etc. But that is far from the truth I am mainly posting it here to see if I am right in the future and then I can laugh at you (or most likely myself) . If you have new evidence or want to debate me in a friendly way on any of these issues I would be happy to. But I don't enjoy tying myself up in useless arguments on this forum. But I am all for learning and seeing if my own ideas are based on reason or just bias. I hope you enjoyed my post! Xd I think G4 will be a combination of G2/G3 (aka Luffy will be faster and stronger but it has to do with his muscles. There also has to be a major weakness (losses muscle control/spasms). I think DF will get turned into a toy (very unlikely but I am going with it )
Regarding what will happen to Doflamingo, him joining Blackbeard afterwards is actually an awesome idea and is not entirely implausible. Although he doesn't seem to be one to work for others, having no crew, no resources and nowhere to go, it does seem to be one of his only options. And the fact that Burgess is in this arc makes this idea seem even more likely. What is Burgess' role? Just to come to the island and win the fruit makes it seem a bit cheap. He must've had some other underlying objectives and brokering an alliance/partnership with Doflamingo (now getting Doflamingo to join his crew) would be a great one.
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One Piece regrettably follows some shonen stereotypes including the one with the "boss" being the most capable warrior of his organization.
only for pirate crews which makes perfect sense noone is gonna follow a captain weaker then them
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On April 22 2015 01:28 Raneth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 00:40 Hyperbola wrote:On April 21 2015 23:40 LaughingTulkas wrote:On April 21 2015 14:37 Sharkey wrote:Here is your chance to prediction and be right and laugh at everyone who is wrong. Or just to have some fun and see if you are right. So what do YOU think Gear 4 is like? + Show Spoiler +Poll: Gear 4, what will it look like?Full body muscular vulcanization (7) 54% Other (pls post) (3) 23% combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength) (1) 8% Nightmare luffy (1) 8% Rubberized ball (Bellamy style) (1) 8% Full body haki (0) 0% 13 total votes Your vote: Gear 4, what will it look like? (Vote): combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength)
(Vote): Nightmare luffy
(Vote): Full body haki
(Vote): Full body muscular vulcanization
(Vote): Rubberized ball (Bellamy style)
(Vote): Other (pls post)
What do YOU think will happen to Doflamingo + Show Spoiler +Poll: What will happen to Doflamingo?He will escape the island (2) 20% He will get arrested by the marines (2) 20% He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents (2) 20% Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew (1) 10% He will be offered safe haven by the world governement (1) 10% He will get turned into a toy (1) 10% Other (plz explain) (1) 10% He won't lose (0) 0% He will die (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: What will happen to Doflamingo? (Vote): He will escape the island
(Vote): Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew
(Vote): He will get arrested by the marines
(Vote): He will be offered safe haven by the world governement
(Vote): He will get turned into a toy
(Vote): He won't lose
(Vote): He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents
(Vote): He will die
(Vote): Other (plz explain)
Mindless drivel + Show Spoiler +I am posting in here to share my thoughts with myself about some of the talks that have been going on lately. It is in spoilers because I do not intend to discuss this with anyone it is merely for me to look back on and see if my predictions were right. If you want to discuss this with me feel free but don't be alarmed if I don't reply. Doflamingo - Younku levelPossible? Yes. Probable? Not based on any precedent that Oda has laid out in One Piece. The poster who declared this theory has actually missed some good (best?) evidence that supports his case. But even with that evidence I still see no way someone can declare an non-Yonko as Yonko. 1) We know that there is a strong precedent that the strongest person in each crew is the captain (is there any counter evidence?), 2) We know that the reason why any crew is reported to be strong is because their captain is that strong. Based on this two premises I see no reason to declare that Kaido is not one of the strongest person/creature/whatever in the One Piece world. I also see no reason to put Doflamingo above any admiral (he has clashed with two ish). If he was stronger than Kuzan he would have killed him as he would have a strong motive. If he was not stronger than Kuzan he would have left Smoker alive. Of course new evidence could come that could strengthen or confirm the theory that Doflamingo > Kaido but until that time comes I think it is foolish to say it. PS: When the strawhats are fighting Moriah, Moriah's minions mention how he could not be defeated by Luffy and co because he almost defeated Kaido. If you think that Luffy > Moriah (pre-TS) and Kaido > Moriah (barely) and Luffy (gear 4) > Doflamingo (prediction time) then I could see that you could think Doflamingo > Kaido. But there are too many unknowns here but I think this is better evidence than anything the Doflamingo Younku level poster said (imo). Flying - Definition (manga related) - to be able to jump or move in a different direction in the air without touching something solid that directly or indirectly touches the ground. Thus spiderman and tarzan - not flying. Doflamingo/Sanji - flying Luffy - no. I know in the anime it shows him 'flying' as an above poster shows. But I believe (personal opinion ) that it was implemented for comedic/character effect not because of his ability. Did Luffy do this in the manga?? I looked it up and it appears that he did. Can Luffy defeat DF without G4?Possibly. We will never know but I highly doubt that he can within the time limit. His gear 2 doesn't pack a hard punch and DF can dodge his gear 3. It is true that Luffy finds ways to win and he could do it by being sneaky, etc. I just think he is going for the more efficient way (g4). How many chapters will the DF vs. Luffy fight last for?2-3. Depends on how many times it cuts to the island or flashbacks. DF flashback of his gov't secret, more Law flashbacks, Sabo vs. Cp0?? or Sabo vs. Burgess?? The town getting literally shredded by the birdcage, etc etc Doflamingo crazy?Yes!! Did his crew make him more cruel/dillusional? yes. But he already had a great head start based on his elitist/entitled/egotistical/sadistic character traits (note I think this was more his nature than nurture as Corozan and his Dad were not like this). There you go. Did I miss any (unimportant) topics in the 2 week break. Just for the record I can see how other forum users could think that I am coming and posting the 'truth' because I am the smart one here, etc etc. But that is far from the truth I am mainly posting it here to see if I am right in the future and then I can laugh at you (or most likely myself) . If you have new evidence or want to debate me in a friendly way on any of these issues I would be happy to. But I don't enjoy tying myself up in useless arguments on this forum. But I am all for learning and seeing if my own ideas are based on reason or just bias. I hope you enjoyed my post! Xd I think G4 will be a combination of G2/G3 (aka Luffy will be faster and stronger but it has to do with his muscles. There also has to be a major weakness (losses muscle control/spasms). I think DF will get turned into a toy (very unlikely but I am going with it ) I also don't think vulcanization is correct, but I could see it having something to do with his muscles, or "compressed air" as saltywet said. I think CP0 might capture Doffy and take him to the celestial dragons but I don't see him getting safe haven or getting assassinated, so I have to put other there too. As for your drivel, I can only say that Buggy isn't the strongest in his crew, nor is his relative "strength" at all related to his personal power, so there's a contradiction right off the bat. To be fair, Buggy is the exception not the rule. One Piece regrettably follows some shonen stereotypes including the one with the "boss" being the most capable warrior of his organization. Also if wouldn't be hard for Oda to just revert Luffy back from vulcanizing by simply saying the effect wore off and chuck it up to devil fruit magic. One Piece tends to operate on the rule of cool so it wouldn't be too universe-breaking for Luffy to become vulcanized temporarily as long as it looks awesome. Caesar? The head of CP9? I'll agree its a trope, but its not a rule
(I know you weren't quoting me but I never said rule but precedent). Yes, Buggy goes against the general trend (precedent, etc) of the strongest person in a crew is the captain. I personally view his role as comedic **gasp!** in the One Piece world.
For the Head of CP9 (Spandam) we all know that Lucci was the strongest person in the cp9 organization. I would view this less of a crew and more of an organization.
It is my understanding that Caesar is a de facto subordinate of Doflamingo as stated by him in the Dressrosa Arc. So I don't understand where you are coming from here (please elaborate).
On April 22 2015 09:19 saltywet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 00:40 Hyperbola wrote:On April 21 2015 23:40 LaughingTulkas wrote:On April 21 2015 14:37 Sharkey wrote:Here is your chance to prediction and be right and laugh at everyone who is wrong. Or just to have some fun and see if you are right. So what do YOU think Gear 4 is like? + Show Spoiler +Poll: Gear 4, what will it look like?Full body muscular vulcanization (7) 54% Other (pls post) (3) 23% combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength) (1) 8% Nightmare luffy (1) 8% Rubberized ball (Bellamy style) (1) 8% Full body haki (0) 0% 13 total votes Your vote: Gear 4, what will it look like? (Vote): combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength)
(Vote): Nightmare luffy
(Vote): Full body haki
(Vote): Full body muscular vulcanization
(Vote): Rubberized ball (Bellamy style)
(Vote): Other (pls post)
What do YOU think will happen to Doflamingo + Show Spoiler +Poll: What will happen to Doflamingo?He will escape the island (2) 20% He will get arrested by the marines (2) 20% He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents (2) 20% Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew (1) 10% He will be offered safe haven by the world governement (1) 10% He will get turned into a toy (1) 10% Other (plz explain) (1) 10% He won't lose (0) 0% He will die (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: What will happen to Doflamingo? (Vote): He will escape the island
(Vote): Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew
(Vote): He will get arrested by the marines
(Vote): He will be offered safe haven by the world governement
(Vote): He will get turned into a toy
(Vote): He won't lose
(Vote): He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents
(Vote): He will die
(Vote): Other (plz explain)
Mindless drivel + Show Spoiler +I am posting in here to share my thoughts with myself about some of the talks that have been going on lately. It is in spoilers because I do not intend to discuss this with anyone it is merely for me to look back on and see if my predictions were right. If you want to discuss this with me feel free but don't be alarmed if I don't reply. + Show Spoiler +Doflamingo - Younku levelPossible? Yes. Probable? Not based on any precedent that Oda has laid out in One Piece. The poster who declared this theory has actually missed some good (best?) evidence that supports his case. But even with that evidence I still see no way someone can declare an non-Yonko as Yonko. 1) We know that there is a strong precedent that the strongest person in each crew is the captain (is there any counter evidence?), 2) We know that the reason why any crew is reported to be strong is because their captain is that strong. Based on this two premises I see no reason to declare that Kaido is not one of the strongest person/creature/whatever in the One Piece world. I also see no reason to put Doflamingo above any admiral (he has clashed with two ish). If he was stronger than Kuzan he would have killed him as he would have a strong motive. If he was not stronger than Kuzan he would have left Smoker alive. Of course new evidence could come that could strengthen or confirm the theory that Doflamingo > Kaido but until that time comes I think it is foolish to say it. PS: When the strawhats are fighting Moriah, Moriah's minions mention how he could not be defeated by Luffy and co because he almost defeated Kaido. If you think that Luffy > Moriah (pre-TS) and Kaido > Moriah (barely) and Luffy (gear 4) > Doflamingo (prediction time) then I could see that you could think Doflamingo > Kaido. But there are too many unknowns here but I think this is better evidence than anything the Doflamingo Younku level poster said (imo). Flying - Definition (manga related) - to be able to jump or move in a different direction in the air without touching something solid that directly or indirectly touches the ground. Thus spiderman and tarzan - not flying. Doflamingo/Sanji - flying Luffy - no. I know in the anime it shows him 'flying' as an above poster shows. But I believe (personal opinion ) that it was implemented for comedic/character effect not because of his ability. Did Luffy do this in the manga?? I looked it up and it appears that he did. Can Luffy defeat DF without G4?Possibly. We will never know but I highly doubt that he can within the time limit. His gear 2 doesn't pack a hard punch and DF can dodge his gear 3. It is true that Luffy finds ways to win and he could do it by being sneaky, etc. I just think he is going for the more efficient way (g4). How many chapters will the DF vs. Luffy fight last for?2-3. Depends on how many times it cuts to the island or flashbacks. DF flashback of his gov't secret, more Law flashbacks, Sabo vs. Cp0?? or Sabo vs. Burgess?? The town getting literally shredded by the birdcage, etc etc Doflamingo crazy?Yes!! Did his crew make him more cruel/dillusional? yes. But he already had a great head start based on his elitist/entitled/egotistical/sadistic character traits (note I think this was more his nature than nurture as Corozan and his Dad were not like this). There you go. Did I miss any (unimportant) topics in the 2 week break. Just for the record I can see how other forum users could think that I am coming and posting the 'truth' because I am the smart one here, etc etc. But that is far from the truth I am mainly posting it here to see if I am right in the future and then I can laugh at you (or most likely myself) . If you have new evidence or want to debate me in a friendly way on any of these issues I would be happy to. But I don't enjoy tying myself up in useless arguments on this forum. But I am all for learning and seeing if my own ideas are based on reason or just bias. I hope you enjoyed my post! Xd I think G4 will be a combination of G2/G3 (aka Luffy will be faster and stronger but it has to do with his muscles. There also has to be a major weakness (losses muscle control/spasms). I think DF will get turned into a toy (very unlikely but I am going with it ) I also don't think vulcanization is correct, but I could see it having something to do with his muscles, or "compressed air" as saltywet said. I think CP0 might capture Doffy and take him to the celestial dragons but I don't see him getting safe haven or getting assassinated, so I have to put other there too. As for your drivel, I can only say that Buggy isn't the strongest in his crew, nor is his relative "strength" at all related to his personal power, so there's a contradiction right off the bat. To be fair, Buggy is the exception not the rule. One Piece regrettably follows some shonen stereotypes including the one with the "boss" being the most capable warrior of his organization. Also if wouldn't be hard for Oda to just revert Luffy back from vulcanizing by simply saying the effect wore off and chuck it up to devil fruit magic. One Piece tends to operate on the rule of cool so it wouldn't be too universe-breaking for Luffy to become vulcanized temporarily as long as it looks awesome. Let me remake my statement regarding the vulcanization theory. It is entirely possible for G4 to be some form of heating up/toughening of Luffy's body (in the one piece realm, although it's scientifically inaccurate). But vulcanization is the process used specifically to permanently toughen rubber/polymers through the addition of sulfur. The word "vulcanization" would be completely misused in this context. It would be like describing the magnetic forces between two magnets as "gravity". + Show Spoiler +On April 21 2015 14:37 Sharkey wrote:Here is your chance to prediction and be right and laugh at everyone who is wrong. Or just to have some fun and see if you are right. So what do YOU think Gear 4 is like? Poll: Gear 4, what will it look like?Full body muscular vulcanization (7) 54% Other (pls post) (3) 23% combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength) (1) 8% Nightmare luffy (1) 8% Rubberized ball (Bellamy style) (1) 8% Full body haki (0) 0% 13 total votes Your vote: Gear 4, what will it look like? (Vote): combination of gear 2 & 3 (speed and strength)
(Vote): Nightmare luffy
(Vote): Full body haki
(Vote): Full body muscular vulcanization
(Vote): Rubberized ball (Bellamy style)
(Vote): Other (pls post)
What do YOU think will happen to Doflamingo Poll: What will happen to Doflamingo?He will escape the island (2) 20% He will get arrested by the marines (2) 20% He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents (2) 20% Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew (1) 10% He will be offered safe haven by the world governement (1) 10% He will get turned into a toy (1) 10% Other (plz explain) (1) 10% He won't lose (0) 0% He will die (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: What will happen to Doflamingo? (Vote): He will escape the island
(Vote): Burgess will get him to join Blackbeard's crew
(Vote): He will get arrested by the marines
(Vote): He will be offered safe haven by the world governement
(Vote): He will get turned into a toy
(Vote): He won't lose
(Vote): He will get assassinated by Cp0 or gov't agents
(Vote): He will die
(Vote): Other (plz explain)
Mindless drivel + Show Spoiler +I am posting in here to share my thoughts with myself about some of the talks that have been going on lately. It is in spoilers because I do not intend to discuss this with anyone it is merely for me to look back on and see if my predictions were right. If you want to discuss this with me feel free but don't be alarmed if I don't reply. Doflamingo - Younku levelPossible? Yes. Probable? Not based on any precedent that Oda has laid out in One Piece. The poster who declared this theory has actually missed some good (best?) evidence that supports his case. But even with that evidence I still see no way someone can declare an non-Yonko as Yonko. 1) We know that there is a strong precedent that the strongest person in each crew is the captain (is there any counter evidence?), 2) We know that the reason why any crew is reported to be strong is because their captain is that strong. Based on this two premises I see no reason to declare that Kaido is not one of the strongest person/creature/whatever in the One Piece world. I also see no reason to put Doflamingo above any admiral (he has clashed with two ish). If he was stronger than Kuzan he would have killed him as he would have a strong motive. If he was not stronger than Kuzan he would have left Smoker alive. Of course new evidence could come that could strengthen or confirm the theory that Doflamingo > Kaido but until that time comes I think it is foolish to say it. PS: When the strawhats are fighting Moriah, Moriah's minions mention how he could not be defeated by Luffy and co because he almost defeated Kaido. If you think that Luffy > Moriah (pre-TS) and Kaido > Moriah (barely) and Luffy (gear 4) > Doflamingo (prediction time) then I could see that you could think Doflamingo > Kaido. But there are too many unknowns here but I think this is better evidence than anything the Doflamingo Younku level poster said (imo). Flying - Definition (manga related) - to be able to jump or move in a different direction in the air without touching something solid that directly or indirectly touches the ground. Thus spiderman and tarzan - not flying. Doflamingo/Sanji - flying Luffy - no. I know in the anime it shows him 'flying' as an above poster shows. But I believe (personal opinion ) that it was implemented for comedic/character effect not because of his ability. Did Luffy do this in the manga?? I looked it up and it appears that he did. Can Luffy defeat DF without G4?Possibly. We will never know but I highly doubt that he can within the time limit. His gear 2 doesn't pack a hard punch and DF can dodge his gear 3. It is true that Luffy finds ways to win and he could do it by being sneaky, etc. I just think he is going for the more efficient way (g4). How many chapters will the DF vs. Luffy fight last for?2-3. Depends on how many times it cuts to the island or flashbacks. DF flashback of his gov't secret, more Law flashbacks, Sabo vs. Cp0?? or Sabo vs. Burgess?? The town getting literally shredded by the birdcage, etc etc Doflamingo crazy?Yes!! Did his crew make him more cruel/dillusional? yes. But he already had a great head start based on his elitist/entitled/egotistical/sadistic character traits (note I think this was more his nature than nurture as Corozan and his Dad were not like this). There you go. Did I miss any (unimportant) topics in the 2 week break. Just for the record I can see how other forum users could think that I am coming and posting the 'truth' because I am the smart one here, etc etc. But that is far from the truth I am mainly posting it here to see if I am right in the future and then I can laugh at you (or most likely myself) . If you have new evidence or want to debate me in a friendly way on any of these issues I would be happy to. But I don't enjoy tying myself up in useless arguments on this forum. But I am all for learning and seeing if my own ideas are based on reason or just bias. I hope you enjoyed my post! Xd I think G4 will be a combination of G2/G3 (aka Luffy will be faster and stronger but it has to do with his muscles. There also has to be a major weakness (losses muscle control/spasms). I think DF will get turned into a toy (very unlikely but I am going with it ) Regarding what will happen to Doflamingo, him joining Blackbeard afterwards is actually an awesome idea and is not entirely implausible. Although he doesn't seem to be one to work for others, having no crew, no resources and nowhere to go, it does seem to be one of his only options. And the fact that Burgess is in this arc makes this idea seem even more likely. What is Burgess' role? Just to come to the island and win the fruit makes it seem a bit cheap. He must've had some other underlying objectives and brokering an alliance/partnership with Doflamingo (now getting Doflamingo to join his crew) would be a great one.
One reason why I see Doflamingo joining the BB pirates because 1) he needs someone to protect him from Kaido's wrath, 2) Burgess is there and can offer him instant protection and 3) the BB pirates have a lot of crazy/individualistic members so Doflamingo would fit in. After this arc I don't see him going away and not getting any more screen time. He has been hyped forever and he has a cool devil fruit with a good mastery of it. But then again I didn't see Ace dying so who knows? (Hint: Oda)
PS: Thanks for the insightful comments^^ I enjoy reading them.
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Not to be contrary, but can anyone name me a person on Buggy's crew who is stronger than him? Just one name would be fine.
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(I know you weren't quoting me but I never said rule but precedent). Yes, Buggy goes against the general trend (precedent, etc) of the strongest person in a crew is the captain. I personally view his role as comedic **gasp!** in the One Piece world.
For the Head of CP9 (Spandam) we all know that Lucci was the strongest person in the cp9 organization. I would view this less of a crew and more of an organization.
It is my understanding that Caesar is a de facto subordinate of Doflamingo as stated by him in the Dressrosa Arc. So I don't understand where you are coming from here (please elaborate).
majority of the organizations are pirate crews, there not engaged in anything particularily complicated its mainly jsut brute force, strong people group under captains stronger then themselves there not going to work under someone weaker then them because theres no point, all they do is target a place, take the loot and run like hell in a world with so many superhumans people would naturally try to stay under the umbrella of the strongest person they can, for instance if your in whitebeards crew noone would dare touch you (same as any yonkou really) so the stronger your captain is the safer you are and the more loot your likely to get (big guys go for big prizes)
Lucci was the strongest person in CP9 but we dont see him actually taking command anywhere, CP9 seems most autonomous they have a jopb and each go about doing it in there own way with bare minumum amount of teamwork which is why they went with a plan taht split them up all over the place because each was confident tehy could handle themselves alone
One reason why I see Doflamingo joining the BB pirates because 1) he needs someone to protect him from Kaido's wrath, 2) Burgess is there and can offer him instant protection and 3) the BB pirates have a lot of crazy/individualistic members so Doflamingo would fit in. After this arc I don't see him going away and not getting any more screen time. He has been hyped forever and he has a cool devil fruit with a good mastery of it. But then again I didn't see Ace dying so who knows? (Hint: Oda)
Dofalmingos head is way too big to join anyone, and with his crew being ahnihalated not many people would want to team with him at this point
plus the Strawhats have been too showy, Kaidou should be able to figure out who was really screwing with him
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On April 22 2015 12:43 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +(I know you weren't quoting me but I never said rule but precedent). Yes, Buggy goes against the general trend (precedent, etc) of the strongest person in a crew is the captain. I personally view his role as comedic **gasp!** in the One Piece world.
For the Head of CP9 (Spandam) we all know that Lucci was the strongest person in the cp9 organization. I would view this less of a crew and more of an organization.
It is my understanding that Caesar is a de facto subordinate of Doflamingo as stated by him in the Dressrosa Arc. So I don't understand where you are coming from here (please elaborate). majority of the organizations are pirate crews, there not engaged in anything particularily complicated its mainly jsut brute force, strong people group under captains stronger then themselves there not going to work under someone weaker then them because theres no point, all they do is target a place, take the loot and run like hell in a world with so many superhumans people would naturally try to stay under the umbrella of the strongest person they can, for instance if your in whitebeards crew noone would dare touch you (same as any yonkou really) so the stronger your captain is the safer you are and the more loot your likely to get (big guys go for big prizes) Lucci was the strongest person in CP9 but we dont see him actually taking command anywhere, CP9 seems most autonomous they have a jopb and each go about doing it in there own way with bare minumum amount of teamwork which is why they went with a plan taht split them up all over the place because each was confident tehy could handle themselves alone Show nested quote +One reason why I see Doflamingo joining the BB pirates because 1) he needs someone to protect him from Kaido's wrath, 2) Burgess is there and can offer him instant protection and 3) the BB pirates have a lot of crazy/individualistic members so Doflamingo would fit in. After this arc I don't see him going away and not getting any more screen time. He has been hyped forever and he has a cool devil fruit with a good mastery of it. But then again I didn't see Ace dying so who knows? (Hint: Oda) Dofalmingos head is way too big to join anyone, and with his crew being ahnihalated not many people would want to team with him at this point plus the Strawhats have been too showy, Kaidou should be able to figure out who was really screwing with him
I think I agree that Doffy's ego will stop him joining under blackbeard, that said, he's also quite cunning and would know he needed protection, so I suppose it in the theoretical ball park at least.
Something I was thinking about while watching the awesome marineford amv, the last arc of this sort of magnitude, had two (major?) characters die, in whitebeard and ace, will we see deaths in this arc? :O If so... WHO? :O
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On April 22 2015 12:50 Raneth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 12:43 Forikorder wrote:(I know you weren't quoting me but I never said rule but precedent). Yes, Buggy goes against the general trend (precedent, etc) of the strongest person in a crew is the captain. I personally view his role as comedic **gasp!** in the One Piece world.
For the Head of CP9 (Spandam) we all know that Lucci was the strongest person in the cp9 organization. I would view this less of a crew and more of an organization.
It is my understanding that Caesar is a de facto subordinate of Doflamingo as stated by him in the Dressrosa Arc. So I don't understand where you are coming from here (please elaborate). majority of the organizations are pirate crews, there not engaged in anything particularily complicated its mainly jsut brute force, strong people group under captains stronger then themselves there not going to work under someone weaker then them because theres no point, all they do is target a place, take the loot and run like hell in a world with so many superhumans people would naturally try to stay under the umbrella of the strongest person they can, for instance if your in whitebeards crew noone would dare touch you (same as any yonkou really) so the stronger your captain is the safer you are and the more loot your likely to get (big guys go for big prizes) Lucci was the strongest person in CP9 but we dont see him actually taking command anywhere, CP9 seems most autonomous they have a jopb and each go about doing it in there own way with bare minumum amount of teamwork which is why they went with a plan taht split them up all over the place because each was confident tehy could handle themselves alone One reason why I see Doflamingo joining the BB pirates because 1) he needs someone to protect him from Kaido's wrath, 2) Burgess is there and can offer him instant protection and 3) the BB pirates have a lot of crazy/individualistic members so Doflamingo would fit in. After this arc I don't see him going away and not getting any more screen time. He has been hyped forever and he has a cool devil fruit with a good mastery of it. But then again I didn't see Ace dying so who knows? (Hint: Oda) Dofalmingos head is way too big to join anyone, and with his crew being ahnihalated not many people would want to team with him at this point plus the Strawhats have been too showy, Kaidou should be able to figure out who was really screwing with him I think I agree that Doffy's ego will stop him joining under blackbeard, that said, he's also quite cunning and would know he needed protection, so I suppose it in the theoretical ball park at least. Something I was thinking about while watching the awesome marineford amv, the last arc of this sort of magnitude, had two (major?) characters die, in whitebeard and ace, will we see deaths in this arc? :O If so... WHO? :O
too many villains end up as team rocket in this manga some of them need to start dieing off
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It's possible that Doflamingo dies, I guess? Law seemed pretty bent on ending his life.
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On April 22 2015 12:50 Raneth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 12:43 Forikorder wrote:(I know you weren't quoting me but I never said rule but precedent). Yes, Buggy goes against the general trend (precedent, etc) of the strongest person in a crew is the captain. I personally view his role as comedic **gasp!** in the One Piece world.
For the Head of CP9 (Spandam) we all know that Lucci was the strongest person in the cp9 organization. I would view this less of a crew and more of an organization.
It is my understanding that Caesar is a de facto subordinate of Doflamingo as stated by him in the Dressrosa Arc. So I don't understand where you are coming from here (please elaborate). majority of the organizations are pirate crews, there not engaged in anything particularily complicated its mainly jsut brute force, strong people group under captains stronger then themselves there not going to work under someone weaker then them because theres no point, all they do is target a place, take the loot and run like hell in a world with so many superhumans people would naturally try to stay under the umbrella of the strongest person they can, for instance if your in whitebeards crew noone would dare touch you (same as any yonkou really) so the stronger your captain is the safer you are and the more loot your likely to get (big guys go for big prizes) Lucci was the strongest person in CP9 but we dont see him actually taking command anywhere, CP9 seems most autonomous they have a jopb and each go about doing it in there own way with bare minumum amount of teamwork which is why they went with a plan taht split them up all over the place because each was confident tehy could handle themselves alone One reason why I see Doflamingo joining the BB pirates because 1) he needs someone to protect him from Kaido's wrath, 2) Burgess is there and can offer him instant protection and 3) the BB pirates have a lot of crazy/individualistic members so Doflamingo would fit in. After this arc I don't see him going away and not getting any more screen time. He has been hyped forever and he has a cool devil fruit with a good mastery of it. But then again I didn't see Ace dying so who knows? (Hint: Oda) Dofalmingos head is way too big to join anyone, and with his crew being ahnihalated not many people would want to team with him at this point plus the Strawhats have been too showy, Kaidou should be able to figure out who was really screwing with him I think I agree that Doffy's ego will stop him joining under blackbeard, that said, he's also quite cunning and would know he needed protection, so I suppose it in the theoretical ball park at least. Something I was thinking about while watching the awesome marineford amv, the last arc of this sort of magnitude, had two (major?) characters die, in whitebeard and ace, will we see deaths in this arc? :O If so... WHO? :O
I feel like Doffy is the type that would put his ego aside to take advantage of others. We all know Doflamingo actually has 0 care for any of his executives and only see them as being convenient. But we also see him tolerate some of their behaviors such as Trebol's tendency to get too close, Diamante's false modesty,etc.
Doffy would obviously have 0 loyalty towards blackbeard but I imagine doflamingo would bow his head to Blackbeard to take and use blackbeard's temporary protection and resources.
If doflamingo doesn't escape at the end of this arc, I can't see Law allowing him to live unless Rocinante somehow comes back alive to save Doflamingo
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Canada8840 Posts
On April 22 2015 20:40 saltywet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 12:50 Raneth wrote:On April 22 2015 12:43 Forikorder wrote:(I know you weren't quoting me but I never said rule but precedent). Yes, Buggy goes against the general trend (precedent, etc) of the strongest person in a crew is the captain. I personally view his role as comedic **gasp!** in the One Piece world.
For the Head of CP9 (Spandam) we all know that Lucci was the strongest person in the cp9 organization. I would view this less of a crew and more of an organization.
It is my understanding that Caesar is a de facto subordinate of Doflamingo as stated by him in the Dressrosa Arc. So I don't understand where you are coming from here (please elaborate). majority of the organizations are pirate crews, there not engaged in anything particularily complicated its mainly jsut brute force, strong people group under captains stronger then themselves there not going to work under someone weaker then them because theres no point, all they do is target a place, take the loot and run like hell in a world with so many superhumans people would naturally try to stay under the umbrella of the strongest person they can, for instance if your in whitebeards crew noone would dare touch you (same as any yonkou really) so the stronger your captain is the safer you are and the more loot your likely to get (big guys go for big prizes) Lucci was the strongest person in CP9 but we dont see him actually taking command anywhere, CP9 seems most autonomous they have a jopb and each go about doing it in there own way with bare minumum amount of teamwork which is why they went with a plan taht split them up all over the place because each was confident tehy could handle themselves alone One reason why I see Doflamingo joining the BB pirates because 1) he needs someone to protect him from Kaido's wrath, 2) Burgess is there and can offer him instant protection and 3) the BB pirates have a lot of crazy/individualistic members so Doflamingo would fit in. After this arc I don't see him going away and not getting any more screen time. He has been hyped forever and he has a cool devil fruit with a good mastery of it. But then again I didn't see Ace dying so who knows? (Hint: Oda) Dofalmingos head is way too big to join anyone, and with his crew being ahnihalated not many people would want to team with him at this point plus the Strawhats have been too showy, Kaidou should be able to figure out who was really screwing with him I think I agree that Doffy's ego will stop him joining under blackbeard, that said, he's also quite cunning and would know he needed protection, so I suppose it in the theoretical ball park at least. Something I was thinking about while watching the awesome marineford amv, the last arc of this sort of magnitude, had two (major?) characters die, in whitebeard and ace, will we see deaths in this arc? :O If so... WHO? :O I feel like Doffy is the type that would put his ego aside to take advantage of others. We all know Doflamingo actually has 0 care for any of his executives and only see them as being convenient. But we also see him tolerate some of their behaviors such as Trebol's tendency to get too close, Diamante's false modesty,etc. Doffy would obviously have 0 loyalty towards blackbeard but I imagine doflamingo would bow his head to Blackbeard to take and use blackbeard's temporary protection and resources. If doflamingo doesn't escape at the end of this arc, I can't see Law allowing him to live unless Rocinante somehow comes back alive to save Doflamingo
the Executives pretty much raised him, its not wierd that he has no problem with there quirks
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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On April 22 2015 23:45 flamewheel wrote:
WHERE IS MY CHAPTER
Tomorow !! Maybe spoilers are up dunno
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It seems like organizations such as the navy or the world government wouldn't be against putting physically weak people in important positions. It makes sense since their respective businesses don't really involve constant open warfare against other people. The WG in particular are about politics and managing their ludicrous amount of independent states (190 afaik). So with the example of CP9, while Lucci is the more traditional field commander, being a powerful brawler that can lead his team while Spamdam is more of a politician, ensuring that his organization runs efficiently.
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I'll be very interested in seeing whether or not doffy has Cora's fruit
Edit I also wouldn't be surprised if the straw hats are rolling in dough after this fight
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