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"Moving or able to move through the air with wings"
Not what I was expecting to find, nevertheless:
We have been conditioned to think of goku as someone who flys, however, if the translation is a bit literal, powers like smoker/goku/kizaru, would more accurately fall under "hovering" "levitating" or something like that.
The whole conversation seems pretty pedantic, and is unlikely to yield any benefit to anyone. Personally, before looking up the definition, I would have said that there were definitely more than 5 people who can fly that we've seen already, that said, if we think Oda is going to stick to what he said here, I suppose we've only seen 3?
I expect any argument on this subject will simply stem from people using different definitions of the same word.
I'd probably bring the count down to 2 as well seeing as how we don't know anything about Laffitte. He could be flying by some other means besides having a fruit or maybe the wings aren't even real and just a hypnosis trick. So as of right now we have 2 confirmed bird-zoans that can fly. Also Pell might not have perfect information and could very well be wrong about the number. Even in paradise, there are still a lot of myths circulating about devil fruits.
On April 20 2015 04:06 Incognoto wrote: How does DD fly if he's just using strings to move around?!
On April 20 2015 04:06 Incognoto wrote: How does DD fly if he's just using strings to move around?!
He hangs off clouds.
Exactly, that's not flying
Who are you to determine what is and isn't flying? Moving through the air by some means, that's what I would call flying.
I guess the definition of flying is this : moving or able to move through the air with wings
Then that would mean Superman/Wonder Woman/Thor etc all can't fly either when they obviously do. The literal definition of flying limits a ton of stuff, but we don't really use it like that.
On April 20 2015 04:06 Incognoto wrote: How does DD fly if he's just using strings to move around?!
He hangs off clouds.
Exactly, that's not flying
Who are you to determine what is and isn't flying? Moving through the air by some means, that's what I would call flying.
I guess the definition of flying is this : moving or able to move through the air with wings
Then that would mean Superman/Wonder Woman/Thor etc all can't fly either when they obviously do. The literal definition of flying limits a ton of stuff, but we don't really use it like that.
Which is what colloquial use means, and why I said I thought it was an error with literal translations. Also, dont patronisingly ask who someone is to define a term, and then proceed to criticise the official definition of the word, wtf is wrong with you?
I think we can all agree hanging off of strings is not flying, tarzan, does not fly, neither does spider man, and neither does doffy. If someone told you they could fly, and then you found out they were attacked to strings, you would call them out, do not pretend otherwise.
If we're going by the "wing" definition then those two dwarves that can transform into insects can fly. But they're not birds since they're insects. In fact, Marco isn't really a bird either - he's a phoenix, a mythological creature with wings.
On April 20 2015 05:22 Hyperbola wrote: If we're going by the "wing" definition then those two dwarves that can transform into insects can fly. But they're not birds since they're insects. In fact, Marco isn't really a bird either - he's a phoenix, a mythological creature with wings.
Well, the claim made by bird boy was that there were only 5 fruits that gave the power, do the midgets have fruits?
On April 20 2015 04:06 Incognoto wrote: How does DD fly if he's just using strings to move around?!
He hangs off clouds.
Exactly, that's not flying
Who are you to determine what is and isn't flying? Moving through the air by some means, that's what I would call flying.
I guess the definition of flying is this : moving or able to move through the air with wings
Then that would mean Superman/Wonder Woman/Thor etc all can't fly either when they obviously do. The literal definition of flying limits a ton of stuff, but we don't really use it like that.
Which is what colloquial use means, and why I said I thought it was an error with literal translations. Also, dont patronisingly ask who someone is to define a term, and then proceed to criticise the official definition of the word, wtf is wrong with you?
I think we can all agree hanging off of strings is not flying, tarzan, does not fly, neither does spider man, and neither does doffy. If someone told you they could fly, and then you found out they were attacked to strings, you would call them out, do not pretend otherwise.
Dolfa can literally stay still hovering in the air and fight as if no strings are even present, even though they are. I call that flying, period. That's the key difference between Tarzan/Spiderman, they need to be continually moving and are literally hanging on for their lives, Dolfa is not in anyway encumbered by his strings.
Also you read way too much into my post and tying to put some sort of tone in it that wasn't present at all.
On April 20 2015 04:06 Incognoto wrote: How does DD fly if he's just using strings to move around?!
He hangs off clouds.
Exactly, that's not flying
Who are you to determine what is and isn't flying? Moving through the air by some means, that's what I would call flying.
I guess the definition of flying is this : moving or able to move through the air with wings
Then that would mean Superman/Wonder Woman/Thor etc all can't fly either when they obviously do. The literal definition of flying limits a ton of stuff, but we don't really use it like that.
Which is what colloquial use means, and why I said I thought it was an error with literal translations. Also, dont patronisingly ask who someone is to define a term, and then proceed to criticise the official definition of the word, wtf is wrong with you?
I think we can all agree hanging off of strings is not flying, tarzan, does not fly, neither does spider man, and neither does doffy. If someone told you they could fly, and then you found out they were attacked to strings, you would call them out, do not pretend otherwise.
Dolfa can literally stay still hovering in the air and fight as if no strings are even present, even though they are. I call that flying, period. That's the key difference between Tarzan/Spiderman, they need to be continually moving and are literally hanging on for their lives, Dolfa is not in anyway encumbered by his strings.
Also you read way too much into my post and tying to put some sort of tone in it that wasn't present at all.
I was pointing out hypocracy, also, neither tarzan nor spider man have to keep moving, this is a stupid debate
EDIT: I misread, ok, there is a useful distinction there, between hanging on and not hanging on, but it is still not flying. I dont see how you can be arguing this.
EDIT2: Like seriously, I linked you to the definition of the page, and nothing there even hints that "hanging off of something else" could be understood as flying
On April 20 2015 06:09 DarkLordOlli wrote: I can't believe we actually went there
There's no going back now!
I'm just gonna stop argueing though, Dolfa is flying, nothing is gonna change my mind on the matter because all the proof is alrdy there. No point to keep going back at each other and fill up the thread needlessly because neither of us is going to give in.
On April 20 2015 06:09 DarkLordOlli wrote: I can't believe we actually went there
There's no going back now!
I'm just gonna stop argueing though, Dolfa is flying, nothing is gonna change my mind on the matter because all the proof is alrdy there. No point to keep going back at each other and fill up the thread needlessly because neither of us is going to give in.
Functionally, the way he move around is like flying, no one is claiming otherwise. That doesnt mean the -word- flying is appropriate.
EPT
