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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

If an episode or a chapter has already been officially released, then it is not necessary to post using spoilers.

If you have knowledge on a chapter that has not been officially released yet, do NOT post it in this thread. Ignoring this public note will result in a mod action.
Raneth
Profile Joined December 2009
England527 Posts
April 19 2015 18:50 GMT
#20921
In an attempt to nip this in the bud, I believe this is simply a -very- literal translation of a word that has different colloquial use, especial in anime culture: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/flying

"Moving or able to move through the air with wings"

Not what I was expecting to find, nevertheless:

We have been conditioned to think of goku as someone who flys, however, if the translation is a bit literal, powers like smoker/goku/kizaru, would more accurately fall under "hovering" "levitating" or something like that.

The whole conversation seems pretty pedantic, and is unlikely to yield any benefit to anyone. Personally, before looking up the definition, I would have said that there were definitely more than 5 people who can fly that we've seen already, that said, if we think Oda is going to stick to what he said here, I suppose we've only seen 3?

I expect any argument on this subject will simply stem from people using different definitions of the same word.
tom: "dont you mean TWO g keys???" kwark: "nah, i'll probably just press it twice"
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18727 Posts
April 19 2015 18:50 GMT
#20922
I mean pretty sure with flying it is meant from island to island...
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
April 19 2015 19:05 GMT
#20923
I believe I can fly.
Revolutionist fan
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
April 19 2015 19:06 GMT
#20924
How does DD fly if he's just using strings to move around?!
maru lover forever
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-19 19:07:19
April 19 2015 19:06 GMT
#20925
I'd probably bring the count down to 2 as well seeing as how we don't know anything about Laffitte. He could be flying by some other means besides having a fruit or maybe the wings aren't even real and just a hypnosis trick. So as of right now we have 2 confirmed bird-zoans that can fly. Also Pell might not have perfect information and could very well be wrong about the number. Even in paradise, there are still a lot of myths circulating about devil fruits.

On April 20 2015 04:06 Incognoto wrote:
How does DD fly if he's just using strings to move around?!

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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
April 19 2015 19:32 GMT
#20926
On April 20 2015 04:06 Incognoto wrote:
How does DD fly if he's just using strings to move around?!


He hangs off clouds.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
April 19 2015 19:47 GMT
#20927
On April 20 2015 04:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 04:06 Incognoto wrote:
How does DD fly if he's just using strings to move around?!


He hangs off clouds.


Exactly, that's not flying
maru lover forever
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-19 20:04:48
April 19 2015 20:01 GMT
#20928
On April 20 2015 04:47 Incognoto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 04:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On April 20 2015 04:06 Incognoto wrote:
How does DD fly if he's just using strings to move around?!


He hangs off clouds.


Exactly, that's not flying


Who are you to determine what is and isn't flying? Moving through the air by some means, that's what I would call flying.

I guess the definition of flying is this : moving or able to move through the air with wings

Then that would mean Superman/Wonder Woman/Thor etc all can't fly either when they obviously do. The literal definition of flying limits a ton of stuff, but we don't really use it like that.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Raneth
Profile Joined December 2009
England527 Posts
April 19 2015 20:19 GMT
#20929
On April 20 2015 05:01 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 04:47 Incognoto wrote:
On April 20 2015 04:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On April 20 2015 04:06 Incognoto wrote:
How does DD fly if he's just using strings to move around?!


He hangs off clouds.


Exactly, that's not flying


Who are you to determine what is and isn't flying? Moving through the air by some means, that's what I would call flying.

I guess the definition of flying is this : moving or able to move through the air with wings

Then that would mean Superman/Wonder Woman/Thor etc all can't fly either when they obviously do. The literal definition of flying limits a ton of stuff, but we don't really use it like that.

Which is what colloquial use means, and why I said I thought it was an error with literal translations. Also, dont patronisingly ask who someone is to define a term, and then proceed to criticise the official definition of the word, wtf is wrong with you?

I think we can all agree hanging off of strings is not flying, tarzan, does not fly, neither does spider man, and neither does doffy. If someone told you they could fly, and then you found out they were attacked to strings, you would call them out, do not pretend otherwise.
tom: "dont you mean TWO g keys???" kwark: "nah, i'll probably just press it twice"
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2554 Posts
April 19 2015 20:22 GMT
#20930
If we're going by the "wing" definition then those two dwarves that can transform into insects can fly. But they're not birds since they're insects. In fact, Marco isn't really a bird either - he's a phoenix, a mythological creature with wings.
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Raneth
Profile Joined December 2009
England527 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-19 21:12:06
April 19 2015 20:23 GMT
#20931
On April 20 2015 05:22 Hyperbola wrote:
If we're going by the "wing" definition then those two dwarves that can transform into insects can fly. But they're not birds since they're insects. In fact, Marco isn't really a bird either - he's a phoenix, a mythological creature with wings.

Well, the claim made by bird boy was that there were only 5 fruits that gave the power, do the midgets have fruits?

EDIT: genuinely cant remember
tom: "dont you mean TWO g keys???" kwark: "nah, i'll probably just press it twice"
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-19 20:26:14
April 19 2015 20:25 GMT
#20932
On April 20 2015 05:19 Raneth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 05:01 Zooper31 wrote:
On April 20 2015 04:47 Incognoto wrote:
On April 20 2015 04:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On April 20 2015 04:06 Incognoto wrote:
How does DD fly if he's just using strings to move around?!


He hangs off clouds.


Exactly, that's not flying


Who are you to determine what is and isn't flying? Moving through the air by some means, that's what I would call flying.

I guess the definition of flying is this : moving or able to move through the air with wings

Then that would mean Superman/Wonder Woman/Thor etc all can't fly either when they obviously do. The literal definition of flying limits a ton of stuff, but we don't really use it like that.

Which is what colloquial use means, and why I said I thought it was an error with literal translations. Also, dont patronisingly ask who someone is to define a term, and then proceed to criticise the official definition of the word, wtf is wrong with you?

I think we can all agree hanging off of strings is not flying, tarzan, does not fly, neither does spider man, and neither does doffy. If someone told you they could fly, and then you found out they were attacked to strings, you would call them out, do not pretend otherwise.


Dolfa can literally stay still hovering in the air and fight as if no strings are even present, even though they are. I call that flying, period. That's the key difference between Tarzan/Spiderman, they need to be continually moving and are literally hanging on for their lives, Dolfa is not in anyway encumbered by his strings.

Also you read way too much into my post and tying to put some sort of tone in it that wasn't present at all.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Raneth
Profile Joined December 2009
England527 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-19 21:02:22
April 19 2015 20:44 GMT
#20933
On April 20 2015 05:25 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 05:19 Raneth wrote:
On April 20 2015 05:01 Zooper31 wrote:
On April 20 2015 04:47 Incognoto wrote:
On April 20 2015 04:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On April 20 2015 04:06 Incognoto wrote:
How does DD fly if he's just using strings to move around?!


He hangs off clouds.


Exactly, that's not flying


Who are you to determine what is and isn't flying? Moving through the air by some means, that's what I would call flying.

I guess the definition of flying is this : moving or able to move through the air with wings

Then that would mean Superman/Wonder Woman/Thor etc all can't fly either when they obviously do. The literal definition of flying limits a ton of stuff, but we don't really use it like that.

Which is what colloquial use means, and why I said I thought it was an error with literal translations. Also, dont patronisingly ask who someone is to define a term, and then proceed to criticise the official definition of the word, wtf is wrong with you?

I think we can all agree hanging off of strings is not flying, tarzan, does not fly, neither does spider man, and neither does doffy. If someone told you they could fly, and then you found out they were attacked to strings, you would call them out, do not pretend otherwise.


Dolfa can literally stay still hovering in the air and fight as if no strings are even present, even though they are. I call that flying, period. That's the key difference between Tarzan/Spiderman, they need to be continually moving and are literally hanging on for their lives, Dolfa is not in anyway encumbered by his strings.

Also you read way too much into my post and tying to put some sort of tone in it that wasn't present at all.

I was pointing out hypocracy, also, neither tarzan nor spider man have to keep moving, this is a stupid debate

EDIT: I misread, ok, there is a useful distinction there, between hanging on and not hanging on, but it is still not flying. I dont see how you can be arguing this.

EDIT2: Like seriously, I linked you to the definition of the page, and nothing there even hints that "hanging off of something else" could be understood as flying
tom: "dont you mean TWO g keys???" kwark: "nah, i'll probably just press it twice"
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
April 19 2015 21:09 GMT
#20934
I can't believe we actually went there
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Raneth
Profile Joined December 2009
England527 Posts
April 19 2015 21:11 GMT
#20935
Right with you there
tom: "dont you mean TWO g keys???" kwark: "nah, i'll probably just press it twice"
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
April 19 2015 21:12 GMT
#20936
On April 20 2015 06:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I can't believe we actually went there


There's no going back now!

I'm just gonna stop argueing though, Dolfa is flying, nothing is gonna change my mind on the matter because all the proof is alrdy there. No point to keep going back at each other and fill up the thread needlessly because neither of us is going to give in.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Saumure
Profile Joined February 2012
France404 Posts
April 19 2015 21:20 GMT
#20937
Was Enel able to fly? I remember him being really really strong
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
April 19 2015 21:28 GMT
#20938
On April 20 2015 06:20 Saumure wrote:
Was Enel able to fly? I remember him being really really strong


Subtle
AdministratorBreak the chains
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
April 19 2015 21:30 GMT
#20939
Ofc God can fly. He is Lightning alive!
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
Raneth
Profile Joined December 2009
England527 Posts
April 19 2015 21:57 GMT
#20940
On April 20 2015 06:12 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 06:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I can't believe we actually went there


There's no going back now!

I'm just gonna stop argueing though, Dolfa is flying, nothing is gonna change my mind on the matter because all the proof is alrdy there. No point to keep going back at each other and fill up the thread needlessly because neither of us is going to give in.

Functionally, the way he move around is like flying, no one is claiming otherwise. That doesnt mean the -word- flying is appropriate.
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