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On April 17 2015 00:11 Hyperbola wrote:
Doflamingo can probably destroy Kaido 1v1 just that he would have to go up against an army of 400 zoans. Doffy's fruit is so overpowered that he could easily hold the position of "Pirate King" if he just had an army the size of a Yonku's backing him.
There's literally 0 evidence for that first sentence you got there. I also don't think Doffy's fruit is overpowered seeing he can't control ppl who's stronger than/equal to himself. 1v1 Doffy probably lose to all past/current admirals and Yonku. Imo Doflamingo strength lies in his intelligence and ruthless, his fruit though strong doesn't seem that op.
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On April 17 2015 00:11 Hyperbola wrote:
Doflamingo can probably destroy Kaido 1v1 just that he would have to go up against an army of 400 zoans. Doffy's fruit is so overpowered that he could easily hold the position of "Pirate King" if he just had an army the size of a Yonku's backing him.
doffy cannot 1v1 against kaidou nor admirals. you are seriously overestimatiadmiing him. this means if mihawk had the army he would be pirate king?
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On April 17 2015 00:11 Hyperbola wrote:
Doflamingo can probably destroy Kaido 1v1 just that he would have to go up against an army of 400 zoans. Doffy's fruit is so overpowered that he could easily hold the position of "Pirate King" if he just had an army the size of a Yonku's backing him.
We saw aokiji freeze doflamingo to near death in a matter of seconds, and not even daring to fight a single ex-admiral who had no army. I doubt Doflamingo stands a chance against Kaidou who is rumored to be the most strongest creature alive right now with or without his zoan army.
For all of Doflamingo's string fruits strengths, most of it has a conditions and have glaring weaknesses. For him to fly, there has to be aerial structures such as clouds. The clone probably takes a lot of time to make and isn't something he can conjure up in a second. The holding together of his internal organs isn't actually restorative and doflamingo will need treatment soon. The puppet ability will most likely be avoidable if the opponent is aware of it.
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Well let's look at the facts:
1. Doffy has a single-target 1-hit KO ability. Overheat. One of these could have killed Sanji if Law hadn't intervened.
2. Doffy can make clones to fight people 2v1. It can let him deceive people and land some serious hits on his opponents.
3. Doffy can block huge attacks with his spider web. We've seen it block giant buildings, meteors and the Grizzly Magnum.
4. Doffy is fast as fuck. Might not have the best reaction speed but we've seen him run circles around Luffy and Law.
5. Doffy can repair his body with strings, combined with his ridiculous stamina he can last for a long time in a fight.
6. Flight. Even if he loses he can always get away.
This is Enel-level versatility here. If Kaido is a giant raging bull then Doffy will wreck his shit. He's shrugged off Admiral attacks like nothing and the only reason he's weakened now is due to Law exploiting the OP fruit to land major hits on him.
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On April 17 2015 01:09 Hyperbola wrote:
Well let's look at the facts:
1. Doffy has a single-target 1-hit KO ability. Overheat. One of these could have killed Sanji if Law hadn't intervened.
2. Doffy can make clones to fight people 2v1. It can let him deceive people and land some serious hits on his opponents.
3. Doffy can block huge attacks with his spider web. We've seen it block giant buildings, meteors and the Grizzly Magnum.
4. Doffy is fast as fuck. Might not have the best reaction speed but we've seen him run circles around Luffy and Law.
5. Doffy can repair his body with strings, combined with his ridiculous stamina he can last for a long time in a fight.
6. Flight. Even if he loses he can always get away.
This is Enel-level versatility here. If Kaido is a giant raging bull then Doffy will wreck his shit. He's shrugged off Admiral attacks like nothing and the only reason he's weakened now is due to Law exploiting the OP fruit to land major hits on him.
Stop trolling Hyperbola. We don't know anything about Kaidou except that he's known as the strongest in the world. Saying that he would get destroyed by Doflamingo 1v1 is obviously idiotic.
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On April 17 2015 00:11 Hyperbola wrote:
Doflamingo can probably destroy Kaido 1v1 just that he would have to go up against an army of 400 zoans. Doffy's fruit is so overpowered that he could easily hold the position of "Pirate King" if he just had an army the size of a Yonku's backing him.
Roger vs Shiki
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On April 17 2015 01:09 Hyperbola wrote:
Well let's look at the facts:
1. Doffy has a single-target 1-hit KO ability. Overheat. One of these could have killed Sanji if Law hadn't intervened.
2. Doffy can make clones to fight people 2v1. It can let him deceive people and land some serious hits on his opponents.
3. Doffy can block huge attacks with his spider web. We've seen it block giant buildings, meteors and the Grizzly Magnum.
4. Doffy is fast as fuck. Might not have the best reaction speed but we've seen him run circles around Luffy and Law.
5. Doffy can repair his body with strings, combined with his ridiculous stamina he can last for a long time in a fight.
6. Flight. Even if he loses he can always get away.
This is Enel-level versatility here. If Kaido is a giant raging bull then Doffy will wreck his shit. He's shrugged off Admiral attacks like nothing and the only reason he's weakened now is due to Law exploiting the OP fruit to land major hits on him.
For number 4 Doffy actually said Luffy had the speed just not the power when in gear 2, so that point is demonstrably invalid. The rest of it is pretty silly too, but that's the most obvious response.
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On April 17 2015 23:21 LaughingTulkas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 01:09 Hyperbola wrote:
Well let's look at the facts:
1. Doffy has a single-target 1-hit KO ability. Overheat. One of these could have killed Sanji if Law hadn't intervened.
2. Doffy can make clones to fight people 2v1. It can let him deceive people and land some serious hits on his opponents.
3. Doffy can block huge attacks with his spider web. We've seen it block giant buildings, meteors and the Grizzly Magnum.
4. Doffy is fast as fuck. Might not have the best reaction speed but we've seen him run circles around Luffy and Law.
5. Doffy can repair his body with strings, combined with his ridiculous stamina he can last for a long time in a fight.
6. Flight. Even if he loses he can always get away.
This is Enel-level versatility here. If Kaido is a giant raging bull then Doffy will wreck his shit. He's shrugged off Admiral attacks like nothing and the only reason he's weakened now is due to Law exploiting the OP fruit to land major hits on him. For number 4 Doffy actually said Luffy had the speed just not the power when in gear 2, so that point is demonstrably invalid. The rest of it is pretty silly too, but that's the most obvious response.
Start here:
http://mangabase.co/one-piece/760/8/
and read until page 11.
As you can see Doffy completely outmaneuvers both Luffy and Law. Granted, Trebol held Law down but that detract from the fact the Doffy took them both out in a matter of seconds.
Luffy might have speed when he's doing something like punching you as he's made of rubber but Doffy has much superior mobility and versatility. He is, ironically, more flexible with his movement as opposed to Luffy who can maybe outrun him in a straight line.
For now, we wait until G4 to see what happens but I still stand by my statement that Doffy is Yonku level.
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On April 18 2015 09:01 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 23:21 LaughingTulkas wrote:On April 17 2015 01:09 Hyperbola wrote:
Well let's look at the facts:
1. Doffy has a single-target 1-hit KO ability. Overheat. One of these could have killed Sanji if Law hadn't intervened.
2. Doffy can make clones to fight people 2v1. It can let him deceive people and land some serious hits on his opponents.
3. Doffy can block huge attacks with his spider web. We've seen it block giant buildings, meteors and the Grizzly Magnum.
4. Doffy is fast as fuck. Might not have the best reaction speed but we've seen him run circles around Luffy and Law.
5. Doffy can repair his body with strings, combined with his ridiculous stamina he can last for a long time in a fight.
6. Flight. Even if he loses he can always get away.
This is Enel-level versatility here. If Kaido is a giant raging bull then Doffy will wreck his shit. He's shrugged off Admiral attacks like nothing and the only reason he's weakened now is due to Law exploiting the OP fruit to land major hits on him. For number 4 Doffy actually said Luffy had the speed just not the power when in gear 2, so that point is demonstrably invalid. The rest of it is pretty silly too, but that's the most obvious response. Start here: http://mangabase.co/one-piece/760/8/and read until page 11. As you can see Doffy completely outmaneuvers both Luffy and Law. Granted, Trebol held Law down but that detract from the fact the Doffy took them both out in a matter of seconds. Luffy might have speed when he's doing something like punching you as he's made of rubber but Doffy has much superior mobility and versatility. He is, ironically, more flexible with his movement as opposed to Luffy who can maybe outrun him in a straight line. For now, we wait until G4 to see what happens but I still stand by my statement that Doffy is Yonku level.
Luffy wasn't in G2 in this chapter...
Normal Luffy is indeed slower than Doffy
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I was going to sleep
Then i remember today was Friday
I then remember that there is a new chapter already! How could I have not read it yet?!
Then I realized there was a skip week
My life is worthless now
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On April 18 2015 17:57 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2015 09:01 Hyperbola wrote:On April 17 2015 23:21 LaughingTulkas wrote:On April 17 2015 01:09 Hyperbola wrote:
Well let's look at the facts:
1. Doffy has a single-target 1-hit KO ability. Overheat. One of these could have killed Sanji if Law hadn't intervened.
2. Doffy can make clones to fight people 2v1. It can let him deceive people and land some serious hits on his opponents.
3. Doffy can block huge attacks with his spider web. We've seen it block giant buildings, meteors and the Grizzly Magnum.
4. Doffy is fast as fuck. Might not have the best reaction speed but we've seen him run circles around Luffy and Law.
5. Doffy can repair his body with strings, combined with his ridiculous stamina he can last for a long time in a fight.
6. Flight. Even if he loses he can always get away.
This is Enel-level versatility here. If Kaido is a giant raging bull then Doffy will wreck his shit. He's shrugged off Admiral attacks like nothing and the only reason he's weakened now is due to Law exploiting the OP fruit to land major hits on him. For number 4 Doffy actually said Luffy had the speed just not the power when in gear 2, so that point is demonstrably invalid. The rest of it is pretty silly too, but that's the most obvious response. Start here: http://mangabase.co/one-piece/760/8/and read until page 11. As you can see Doffy completely outmaneuvers both Luffy and Law. Granted, Trebol held Law down but that detract from the fact the Doffy took them both out in a matter of seconds. Luffy might have speed when he's doing something like punching you as he's made of rubber but Doffy has much superior mobility and versatility. He is, ironically, more flexible with his movement as opposed to Luffy who can maybe outrun him in a straight line. For now, we wait until G4 to see what happens but I still stand by my statement that Doffy is Yonku level. Luffy wasn't in G2 in this chapter... Normal Luffy is indeed slower than Doffy
he wasn't in gear second?:
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On April 18 2015 09:01 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 23:21 LaughingTulkas wrote:On April 17 2015 01:09 Hyperbola wrote:
Well let's look at the facts:
1. Doffy has a single-target 1-hit KO ability. Overheat. One of these could have killed Sanji if Law hadn't intervened.
2. Doffy can make clones to fight people 2v1. It can let him deceive people and land some serious hits on his opponents.
3. Doffy can block huge attacks with his spider web. We've seen it block giant buildings, meteors and the Grizzly Magnum.
4. Doffy is fast as fuck. Might not have the best reaction speed but we've seen him run circles around Luffy and Law.
5. Doffy can repair his body with strings, combined with his ridiculous stamina he can last for a long time in a fight.
6. Flight. Even if he loses he can always get away.
This is Enel-level versatility here. If Kaido is a giant raging bull then Doffy will wreck his shit. He's shrugged off Admiral attacks like nothing and the only reason he's weakened now is due to Law exploiting the OP fruit to land major hits on him. For number 4 Doffy actually said Luffy had the speed just not the power when in gear 2, so that point is demonstrably invalid. The rest of it is pretty silly too, but that's the most obvious response. Start here: http://mangabase.co/one-piece/760/8/and read until page 11. As you can see Doffy completely outmaneuvers both Luffy and Law. Granted, Trebol held Law down but that detract from the fact the Doffy took them both out in a matter of seconds. Luffy might have speed when he's doing something like punching you as he's made of rubber but Doffy has much superior mobility and versatility. He is, ironically, more flexible with his movement as opposed to Luffy who can maybe outrun him in a straight line. For now, we wait until G4 to see what happens but I still stand by my statement that Doffy is Yonku level.
My 15 year old cousin can beat her 8 and 9 year old brothers 1v2 in a tennis match. Clearly she is a world class tennis player and can probably defeat Federer, Nadal and Djokovic in quick succession.
Let's look at this objective, we've literally seen Doflamingo fight against:
1. Oars Jr: Even pre-timeskip Luffy was able to defeat Oars Sr
2. Jozu: doflamingo suppresses him, but doesn't hurt him at all
3. Crocodile: the two were evenly matched
4. Smoker: Destroys smoker
5. Kuzan: gets easily wrecked by kuzan
6. Law: destroys law
7. Fujitora: (not so much as a fight as fujitora wasn't interested in fighting him) even clash
8. destroys law again
9. result to be seen with Luffy
There you go, results indicate that Doflamingo gets overpowered by (ex and current)Admirals, goes even against Yonkou subordinates, is able to defeat anyone lesser.
You really think he can "destroy Kaidou", who is rumored to be the strongest creature alive, even stronger than the admirals and the strongest amongst current yonkou?
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On April 19 2015 02:17 saltywet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2015 09:01 Hyperbola wrote:On April 17 2015 23:21 LaughingTulkas wrote:On April 17 2015 01:09 Hyperbola wrote:
Well let's look at the facts:
1. Doffy has a single-target 1-hit KO ability. Overheat. One of these could have killed Sanji if Law hadn't intervened.
2. Doffy can make clones to fight people 2v1. It can let him deceive people and land some serious hits on his opponents.
3. Doffy can block huge attacks with his spider web. We've seen it block giant buildings, meteors and the Grizzly Magnum.
4. Doffy is fast as fuck. Might not have the best reaction speed but we've seen him run circles around Luffy and Law.
5. Doffy can repair his body with strings, combined with his ridiculous stamina he can last for a long time in a fight.
6. Flight. Even if he loses he can always get away.
This is Enel-level versatility here. If Kaido is a giant raging bull then Doffy will wreck his shit. He's shrugged off Admiral attacks like nothing and the only reason he's weakened now is due to Law exploiting the OP fruit to land major hits on him. For number 4 Doffy actually said Luffy had the speed just not the power when in gear 2, so that point is demonstrably invalid. The rest of it is pretty silly too, but that's the most obvious response. Start here: http://mangabase.co/one-piece/760/8/and read until page 11. As you can see Doffy completely outmaneuvers both Luffy and Law. Granted, Trebol held Law down but that detract from the fact the Doffy took them both out in a matter of seconds. Luffy might have speed when he's doing something like punching you as he's made of rubber but Doffy has much superior mobility and versatility. He is, ironically, more flexible with his movement as opposed to Luffy who can maybe outrun him in a straight line. For now, we wait until G4 to see what happens but I still stand by my statement that Doffy is Yonku level. My 15 year old cousin can beat her 8 and 9 year old brothers 1v2 in a tennis match. Clearly she is a world class tennis player and can probably defeat Federer, Nadal and Djokovic in quick succession. Let's look at this objective, we've literally seen Doflamingo fight against: 1. Oars Jr: Even pre-timeskip Luffy was able to defeat Oars Sr 2. Jozu: doflamingo suppresses him, but doesn't hurt him at all 3. Crocodile: the two were evenly matched 4. Smoker: Destroys smoker 5. Kuzan: gets easily wrecked by kuzan 6. Law: destroys law 7. Fujitora: (not so much as a fight as fujitora wasn't interested in fighting him) even clash 8. destroys law again 9. result to be seen with Luffy There you go, results indicate that Doflamingo gets overpowered by (ex and current)Admirals, goes even against Yonkou subordinates, is able to defeat anyone lesser. You really think he can "destroy Kaidou", who is rumored to be the strongest creature alive, even stronger than the admirals and the strongest amongst current yonkou?
Hmm, I'd like to make a few alterations: Doffy didnt -really- get wrecked by Kuzan, he got frozen, then shrugged it off.
I think Oda has been careful in how he portrays Doffy, so that these sort of arguments are had. Every fight we've seen Doffy not just wreck someone, he's been goofing around and acting like he's just trolling. I'm pretty sure what we've been shown is supposed to suggest that he is more than "just" a Schibukai, he's the lord of the underworld, he has a large sphere of influence, he manipulates the WG and -seems- to either destroy people, or not be bothered fighting them.
Think about clashes he's lost or that have been close:
Fujitora - A single clash, makes both look even.
Kuzan - A single attack and then Doffy leaves, Kuzan's attack would have killed most people, Doffy shrugs it off and (seemingly) decides fighting an admiral is not worth the effort. Makes the audience think this was a calculated rather than necessary retrat.
Joze - Stops him in his tracks, laughs a bit, continues to troll
Crocodile - Chops his head off, clashes a few times, laughing the whole time, none of the schibukai seemed to be taking marineford very seriously.
He either wins (wrecks his opponent) or is -portrayed- as if he doesn't care enough to wreck them. While I think that Kaido is almost certainly stronger than him 1v1 (Kaido has been hyped quite a lot) I think its certainly within the realm of possibility that we've been lead to believe that Doffy is a huge dark horse, gathering power in the shadows, waiting for his time to strike. I can certainly understand why people are hyping him, its how he's been shown to them 
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Doffy is weaker than Kaido that is made pretty clear, but like Raneth said he was getting there in his own way. Doffy is calculative, he understands his strengths and doesn't pick fights he isn't a 100% sure he can win. Which is why he backed off against Kuzan and why he has tried multiple times to not fight both Law and Luffy at the same time. He may be stronger than both, but why take the risk. And if it wasn't for Sabo, Doffy's masterplan would have worked too.
Also the biggest x-factor was Usopp and why he pissed Doffy off the most. Weaker than weak, yet caused the biggest problems for him haha.
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l o l you guys. I thought it was obvious that Dof didnt want to get tired/injuries when Caesar just got kidnapped. That's why he run away.
Dont forget that he tried to kill Smoker despite Kuzan's warning. It's not like he got scared of him. He just got another business with Law and Luffy. Why would he waste his energy with Kuzan? im pretty sure he'd fight evenly with Kuzan if he were to fight there.
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On April 19 2015 04:38 Mensol wrote:
l o l you guys. I thought it was obvious that Dof didnt want to get tired/injuries when Caesar just got kidnapped. That's why he run away.
Dont forget that he tried to kill Smoker despite Kuzan's warning. It's not like he got scared of him. He just got another business with Law and Luffy. Why would he waste his energy with Kuzan? im pretty sure he'd fight evenly with Kuzan if he were to fight there.
The point is though Mensol, we literally dont know ^_^ Its just been hyped so far. We have not seen him actually -fight- a top tier character. Its great, it builds so much hype! But as confident you are that he can fight him evenly, he has actually yet to demonstrate that! That said, to all the people poo-pooing him as a fighter, he has litterally just been running about wrecking bitches left and right, except for the top tier who he's been calling noobs and walking off 
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From all we know of Kaido, he could just be a giant, rampaging beast. We know he's a "thing" and we know he's not reasonable, meaning he probably draws his power from brute strength and rage. Doflamingo would on the other hand be a matador. A matador is not stronger than a bull, he is weaker and yet he still wins in the end. Why? Because he tricks, deceives, dodges and is smart in the way he fights.
An even fight between Doflamingo and Kaido would probably play out like that. Kaido going apeshit and annihilating things left and right while Doflamingo redirects his ire and stabs him in the back when Kaido is unaware. There's a reason why Law said they had a 30% chance of taking out Kaido after he got into a fight with Doffy - because they are almost evenly matched and thus a weakened opponent can be easily subdued. This means that Doflamingo, with his family can prove more than a match to Kaido vs. his 400 beast army.
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Law thinks that Kaido will fight Doflamingo, and win, but be tired afterwards. And this somehow leads you to believe that Doflamingo would be at the advantage against Kaido?
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On April 19 2015 08:14 Sentenal wrote:
Law thinks that Kaido will fight Doflamingo, and win, but be tired afterwards. And this somehow leads you to believe that Doflamingo would be at the advantage against Kaido?
Yes, 1v1. What I think Doflamingo truly fears is the army of beasts.
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On April 19 2015 04:19 Ysellian wrote:
Doffy is weaker than Kaido that is made pretty clear, but like Raneth said he was getting there in his own way. Doffy is calculative, he understands his strengths and doesn't pick fights he isn't a 100% sure he can win. Which is why he backed off against Kuzan and why he has tried multiple times to not fight both Law and Luffy at the same time. He may be stronger than both, but why take the risk. And if it wasn't for Sabo, Doffy's masterplan would have worked too.
Also the biggest x-factor was Usopp and why he pissed Doffy off the most. Weaker than weak, yet caused the biggest problems for him haha.
Doffy's crew is obviously very strong. Apart from Trafalgar and Luffy, it took the dwarves, the arena fighters, sabo, Kyros to stop them.
On April 19 2015 03:25 Raneth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 02:17 saltywet wrote:On April 18 2015 09:01 Hyperbola wrote:On April 17 2015 23:21 LaughingTulkas wrote:On April 17 2015 01:09 Hyperbola wrote:
Well let's look at the facts:
1. Doffy has a single-target 1-hit KO ability. Overheat. One of these could have killed Sanji if Law hadn't intervened.
2. Doffy can make clones to fight people 2v1. It can let him deceive people and land some serious hits on his opponents.
3. Doffy can block huge attacks with his spider web. We've seen it block giant buildings, meteors and the Grizzly Magnum.
4. Doffy is fast as fuck. Might not have the best reaction speed but we've seen him run circles around Luffy and Law.
5. Doffy can repair his body with strings, combined with his ridiculous stamina he can last for a long time in a fight.
6. Flight. Even if he loses he can always get away.
This is Enel-level versatility here. If Kaido is a giant raging bull then Doffy will wreck his shit. He's shrugged off Admiral attacks like nothing and the only reason he's weakened now is due to Law exploiting the OP fruit to land major hits on him. For number 4 Doffy actually said Luffy had the speed just not the power when in gear 2, so that point is demonstrably invalid. The rest of it is pretty silly too, but that's the most obvious response. Start here: http://mangabase.co/one-piece/760/8/and read until page 11. As you can see Doffy completely outmaneuvers both Luffy and Law. Granted, Trebol held Law down but that detract from the fact the Doffy took them both out in a matter of seconds. Luffy might have speed when he's doing something like punching you as he's made of rubber but Doffy has much superior mobility and versatility. He is, ironically, more flexible with his movement as opposed to Luffy who can maybe outrun him in a straight line. For now, we wait until G4 to see what happens but I still stand by my statement that Doffy is Yonku level. My 15 year old cousin can beat her 8 and 9 year old brothers 1v2 in a tennis match. Clearly she is a world class tennis player and can probably defeat Federer, Nadal and Djokovic in quick succession. Let's look at this objective, we've literally seen Doflamingo fight against: 1. Oars Jr: Even pre-timeskip Luffy was able to defeat Oars Sr 2. Jozu: doflamingo suppresses him, but doesn't hurt him at all 3. Crocodile: the two were evenly matched 4. Smoker: Destroys smoker 5. Kuzan: gets easily wrecked by kuzan 6. Law: destroys law 7. Fujitora: (not so much as a fight as fujitora wasn't interested in fighting him) even clash 8. destroys law again 9. result to be seen with Luffy There you go, results indicate that Doflamingo gets overpowered by (ex and current)Admirals, goes even against Yonkou subordinates, is able to defeat anyone lesser. You really think he can "destroy Kaidou", who is rumored to be the strongest creature alive, even stronger than the admirals and the strongest amongst current yonkou? Hmm, I'd like to make a few alterations: Doffy didnt -really- get wrecked by Kuzan, he got frozen, then shrugged it off.
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/699/5
He didn't -quite- "shrug it off" as you say. It would be silly to draw more than one panel of Doffy out of breath, and in the anime Doffys panting lasted quite a bit
It left Doflamingo out of breath and why do you assume Kuzan wanted to kill Doffy? He has little incentive to, his attack was to stop Doflaming from killing Smoker.
But the main point is what you said in your next post:
On April 19 2015 06:23 Raneth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 04:38 Mensol wrote:
l o l you guys. I thought it was obvious that Dof didnt want to get tired/injuries when Caesar just got kidnapped. That's why he run away.
Dont forget that he tried to kill Smoker despite Kuzan's warning. It's not like he got scared of him. He just got another business with Law and Luffy. Why would he waste his energy with Kuzan? im pretty sure he'd fight evenly with Kuzan if he were to fight there. We have not seen him actually -fight- a top tier character. Its great, it builds so much hype! But as confident you are that he can fight him evenly, he has actually yet to demonstrate that!
You can't draw conclusions about Doflamingo's strength because you have not seen him fight seriously against a top tier fighter or a top tier fighter fight seriously against Doflamingo.
And for all of Hyperbola's claim that Doflamingo will wreck Kaidou, most of it is based on the assumption that Kaidou only has strength and no wits and easy to backstab. I find it hard to imagine a prominent pirate, especially one who could form a pirate group of 400 pirates and become a Yonkou could be a dumbass.
Let's look at some facts:
1. Under normal circumstances, Kaidou does not fight against other Yonkou, knowing his own strength
2. During marineford arc, Kaidou saw an opportunity to destroy Whitebeard and would have succeeded if not for Shanks
3. Kaidou obviously did not fight Shanks, as the redhair pirates arrived at marineford unharmed.
This one event ,to me, shows a definite demonstration of wit and cunning and battle knowledge and is not based off the assumption with 0 basis for that assumption.
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