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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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Raneth
England527 Posts
On April 19 2015 10:46 saltywet wrote: Doffy's crew is obviously very strong. Apart from Trafalgar and Luffy, it took the dwarves, the arena fighters, sabo, Kyros to stop them. http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/699/5 He didn't -quite- "shrug it off" as you say. It would be silly to draw more than one panel of Doffy out of breath, and in the anime Doffys panting lasted quite a bit It left Doflamingo out of breath and why do you assume Kuzan wanted to kill Doffy? He has little incentive to, his attack was to stop Doflaming from killing Smoker. But the main point is what you said in your next post: You can't draw conclusions about Doflamingo's strength because you have not seen him fight seriously against a top tier fighter or a top tier fighter fight seriously against Doflamingo. And for all of Hyperbola's claim that Doflamingo will wreck Kaidou, most of it is based on the assumption that Kaidou only has strength and no wits and easy to backstab. I find it hard to imagine a prominent pirate, especially one who could form a pirate group of 400 pirates and become a Yonkou could be a dumbass. Let's look at some facts: 1. Under normal circumstances, Kaidou does not fight against other Yonkou, knowing his own strength 2. During marineford arc, Kaidou saw an opportunity to destroy Whitebeard and would have succeeded if not for Shanks 3. Kaidou obviously did not fight Shanks, as the redhair pirates arrived at marineford unharmed. This one event ,to me, shows a definite demonstration of wit and cunning and battle knowledge and is not based off the assumption with 0 basis for that assumption. Perhaps you have misunderstood my position and should re-read what I said, at no point have I claimed that Doffy not fighting a top tier fighter is evidence of anything, quite the contrary!  Also, heavy breathing aside, he did shrug it off Clearly put thought into his options (stood still for quite a long time) then adventually decided to walk off and deal with caesar.Also, I think the point someone brought up about Law using Doffy against Kaido is a good point, but they took it too far. The fact that Law thinks that Doffy will put up enough of a fight against Kaido to noticably weaken him, is indicative of Doffy's (meaning him and his crew/organisation/potential allies) strength being far what one would expect of a schibukai EDIT: About the Kuzan thing, like I keep saying, the whole point of that scene was to build hype, we (the audience) litterally dont know what was going through doffy's head, was he trying to work out if he -could- kill kuzan/smoker/the marines? was he working our if it would be -worth- killing kuzan and the marines? We have no idea. We know that Doffy's ambition is to over throw the celestial dragons, so it could even be argued that he isn't scared of Kaido, he's just scared of having to show his hand/waste resources before he can achieve his final goal (I doubt this) but it is possible! We wont know how he stacks up till we see some more evidence! Which we have yet to see! | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2536 Posts
Your character analysis of Kaido as a tactician is pretty baseless. First of all, you don't know whether or not Kaido fights other Yonkus. He could have very well clashed with Shanks. Vista and Mihawk "clashed" and they both remained unwounded. Just because shanks didn't have any scratches on his face doesn't mean that they didn't fight. Besides, the war lasted a pretty long time, meaning that something held Shanks up for a long while before he came to marineford. Maybe it was bad weather. Maybe it was a giant angry beast. Thinking that Kaido attacked Whitebeard because he saw a "vulnerability" is also a huge maybe. Ever consider the fact that Kaido just loves to fight? Or maybe the fact that whitebeard had to sail through Kaido's territory to get to marineford? We know for a fact that some of Kaido's territory is on the beginning half of the New World. If Kaido was an intelligent general like you make him out to be then he wouldn't attack Dressrosa the second Doflamingo stopped producing Smile. As far as I'm concerned, he's a dumb brute with a lot of power. Here I leave you with a graph: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/irlTWgB.png) This is the way I see it. Feel free to disagree but you won't change my mind. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
Your character analysis of Kaido as a tactician is pretty baseless. And your analysis of how strong Kaido is individually isn't? Thats what I can't get my head around. Where are you getting Kaido's supposed strength from? | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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Hyperbola
United States2536 Posts
On April 19 2015 11:29 Sentenal wrote: And your analysis of how strong Kaido is individually isn't? Thats what I can't get my head around. Where are you getting Kaido's supposed strength from? Well because I believe all Yonkus are an similar footing, more or less. Kaido might be the strongest beast but Whitebeard was the strongest man. You can't really get any more powerful than that. Kaido shares the "top tier" if you will with characters like Big Mom, Whitebeard, Akainu, Aokiji and Doflamingo. But the main thing that makes me think that Doffy would win in a straight up fight is the way he fights. Dancing circles around an enraged animal. Using its own strength against it. We've seen Doffy do just that countless times. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
On April 19 2015 12:27 Capped wrote: Ifs, buts, maybes, none of you have solid evidence its opinion against opinion why are you arguing lol. Why not? | ||
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vndestiny
Singapore3440 Posts
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Mensol
14536 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7dBiXmI.gif) damn i thought it was just a theory. Didnt know that Oda made this so obvious. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sfMYfbO.jpg) I bet the last one is Kaidou. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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Raneth
England527 Posts
 Thats without even looking at people who could -arguably- not fly (like doffy) | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2536 Posts
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Raneth
England527 Posts
On April 20 2015 03:07 Hyperbola wrote: Shiki can't actually fly. All he can do is control his clothes and swords but if he's naked then he falls to his death. By the same argument you can say Fujitora can fly when he really just stands on a platform. We've seen only 3 zoan so far that can fly, excluding smile fruits and weird hybrid creatures that either Law or Caesar made. Are you doing this? Really? | ||
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Zooper31
United States5710 Posts
On April 19 2015 21:06 Mensol wrote: damn i thought it was just a theory. Didnt know that Oda made this so obvious. I bet the last one is Kaidou. I argue the point about Kaidou being able to fly. Dolfamingo can fly, albeit using his strings and not literally wings on his back. But it was a known power to people who actually were around him. You could argue Dolfa has that 5th fruit. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6644 Posts
On April 20 2015 03:45 rei wrote: what about kisaru and enel? both of them can travel much faster and further than any of those 4 listed. also kuma's ability to send ppl flying and teleporting around himself. and boggy can have his upper body flying too Sabo can fly too can't he? | ||
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