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On October 24 2013 14:03 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 13:57 aksfjh wrote:On October 24 2013 13:51 Forikorder wrote:On October 24 2013 13:48 aksfjh wrote:On October 24 2013 12:22 Forikorder wrote:On October 24 2013 07:29 betaflame wrote:On October 24 2013 05:51 Gullis wrote:On October 24 2013 05:46 Madder wrote:On October 24 2013 04:33 MoonPieMat wrote:
I miss just fighting hollows. At least Hirako wasn't forgotten. If Hirako doesn't at least use his Bankai, he's pretty forgotten to me. In fact, I hope we finally see some Bankais we haven't seen before, it's been too long. I wanna see Kyorakus and Uraharas bankai but my hopes are not very high <.< Atleast we are probably gonna see Zaraki do something epic befor Itchigo saves the day. Zaraki does something epic before he gets defeated (like before and like all bleach things >.>) and then ichigo saves the day Zaraki will totally take down a couple of the unimportant nameless steinritters before Ichigo deals with all the important people When has Ichigo taken down an important guy outside of Aizen? Byakua Ulqiorra Renji Grimmjow and saying outside of Aizen is kinda ridiculous since Aizen is THE big bad Just because they're Ichigo's main target doesn't make them THE important guy. All 4 of those guys weren't even in the top 3 of their class. Byakuya... not top 3 captain...
Byakuya is no way in hell a top3 captain...
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Very likely stronger than Byakuya: Ukitake, Shunsui, Yamamoto, Unohana, Zaraki post-buff
Debatable: Zaraki pre-buff, Ichimaru, Vizards
Probably weaker: Tosen, Hitsugaya, Sui Fong, Kurotsuchi, Komamura
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Olli
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On October 24 2013 19:01 tuestresfat wrote:
Very likely stronger than Byakuya: Ukitake, Shunsui, Yamamoto, Unohana, Zaraki post-buff
Debatable: Zaraki pre-buff, Ichimaru, Vizards
Probably weaker: Tosen, Hitsugaya, Sui Fong, Kurotsuchi, Komamura
you cant list Unohana and Zaraki since neither of them were stronger in SS
Ukitake is no way stronger hes all like sick and stuff and couldnt take down Kaien without almost like collapsing
so theres only 2 people left and lo and behold that makes him top 3
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Do you have a source saying that about zaraki and unohana or are you just straw-grapsing like you usually do?
ps; just because he had an attack due to his illness doesnt make him weaker, that purely happened because of plot.
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On October 24 2013 23:14 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 19:01 tuestresfat wrote:
Very likely stronger than Byakuya: Ukitake, Shunsui, Yamamoto, Unohana, Zaraki post-buff
Debatable: Zaraki pre-buff, Ichimaru, Vizards
Probably weaker: Tosen, Hitsugaya, Sui Fong, Kurotsuchi, Komamura you cant list Unohana and Zaraki since neither of them were stronger in SS Ukitake is no way stronger hes all like sick and stuff and couldnt take down Kaien without almost like collapsing so theres only 2 people left and lo and behold that makes him top 3
Ukitake is stronger than Byakuya. Unohana is stronger than Byakuya. Zaraki is debeatable preff recent events but i would lean towards Zaraki being stronger due to the feats shown.
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On October 25 2013 00:08 shark. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 23:14 Forikorder wrote:On October 24 2013 19:01 tuestresfat wrote:
Very likely stronger than Byakuya: Ukitake, Shunsui, Yamamoto, Unohana, Zaraki post-buff
Debatable: Zaraki pre-buff, Ichimaru, Vizards
Probably weaker: Tosen, Hitsugaya, Sui Fong, Kurotsuchi, Komamura you cant list Unohana and Zaraki since neither of them were stronger in SS Ukitake is no way stronger hes all like sick and stuff and couldnt take down Kaien without almost like collapsing so theres only 2 people left and lo and behold that makes him top 3 Ukitake is stronger than Byakuya. Unohana is stronger than Byakuya. Zaraki is debeatable preff recent events but i would lean towards Zaraki being stronger due to the feats shown.
feats being that he got beaten by Ichigo using only his Shikai, yet Ichigo needed Bankai AND hollow mask to barely beat Byakuya?
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
This is a stupid discussion.
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On October 25 2013 03:22 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2013 00:08 shark. wrote:On October 24 2013 23:14 Forikorder wrote:On October 24 2013 19:01 tuestresfat wrote:
Very likely stronger than Byakuya: Ukitake, Shunsui, Yamamoto, Unohana, Zaraki post-buff
Debatable: Zaraki pre-buff, Ichimaru, Vizards
Probably weaker: Tosen, Hitsugaya, Sui Fong, Kurotsuchi, Komamura you cant list Unohana and Zaraki since neither of them were stronger in SS Ukitake is no way stronger hes all like sick and stuff and couldnt take down Kaien without almost like collapsing so theres only 2 people left and lo and behold that makes him top 3 Ukitake is stronger than Byakuya. Unohana is stronger than Byakuya. Zaraki is debeatable preff recent events but i would lean towards Zaraki being stronger due to the feats shown. feats being that he got beaten by Ichigo using only his Shikai, yet Ichigo needed Bankai AND hollow mask to barely beat Byakuya?
I said its debatable. But as ^ said its a pointless discussion.
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On October 24 2013 23:14 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 19:01 tuestresfat wrote:
Very likely stronger than Byakuya: Ukitake, Shunsui, Yamamoto, Unohana, Zaraki post-buff
Debatable: Zaraki pre-buff, Ichimaru, Vizards
Probably weaker: Tosen, Hitsugaya, Sui Fong, Kurotsuchi, Komamura you cant list Unohana and Zaraki since neither of them were stronger in SS Ukitake is no way stronger hes all like sick and stuff and couldnt take down Kaien without almost like collapsing so theres only 2 people left and lo and behold that makes him top 3
So Unohana just got a power buff in between SS and the point she died...?
oookkk.... and Ukitake didnt die while fighting yamamoto which makes him >>>> byakuya
his shunpo is like 100x better than byakuya lol
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Unohana was always up in the top of the power ladder, but she always held back, preferring to be a healer rather than a killer. I think Yamamoto had something to do with why, but it might have asked her not to fight for her own sake. For whatever reason, we didn´t see her fight for real, and so her true strength was never revealed.
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On October 25 2013 08:02 Forumite wrote:
Unohana was always up in the top of the power ladder, but she always held back, preferring to be a healer rather than a killer. I think Yamamoto had something to do with why, but it might have asked her not to fight for her own sake. For whatever reason, we didn´t see her fight for real, and so her true strength was never revealed.
Correct. In terms of raw power she was second only to yamato.
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On October 25 2013 07:08 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 23:14 Forikorder wrote:On October 24 2013 19:01 tuestresfat wrote:
Very likely stronger than Byakuya: Ukitake, Shunsui, Yamamoto, Unohana, Zaraki post-buff
Debatable: Zaraki pre-buff, Ichimaru, Vizards
Probably weaker: Tosen, Hitsugaya, Sui Fong, Kurotsuchi, Komamura you cant list Unohana and Zaraki since neither of them were stronger in SS Ukitake is no way stronger hes all like sick and stuff and couldnt take down Kaien without almost like collapsing so theres only 2 people left and lo and behold that makes him top 3 So Unohana just got a power buff in between SS and the point she died...? oookkk.... and Ukitake didnt die while fighting yamamoto which makes him >>>> byakuya his shunpo is like 100x better than byakuya lol
Ukitake may not have died against Yamamoto but i dont see any reason to believe Yamamoto seriously tried to kill them since both of them wouldnt have lasted a fraction of a second if he got serious
Byakuyas shunpo is almost at the level where he can catch Yorouichi which makes him at least the 3rd faster person after soi Fon (with yourichi being first)
so Byakuya is 4th in power, but in terms of fighters (since Unohana isnt a fighter) hes 3rd
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I would put Zaraki below Byakuya for SS arc, simply because he too has "powered up" throughout Bleach. The other captains (except Hitsugaya) all had fully developed powers (even if we hadn't seen them yet), so it makes sense to go on their revealed abilities up until this point. Ichigo would have been stomped had Unohana, Yamamoto, Shunsui, Ichimaru, and probably Ukitake (if the battle didn't go on for too long). You could even throw shinigami Aizen in there if you want to be technical. Apparently, even hollow Ichigo would have been stomped by those 6 as well. He had to get his ultimate to surpass them, and possibly still didn't even surpass Yamamoto (we'll never know  ).
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So, let's do power levels like this. Ichigo could not beat Ulquiora Resurrection, which Aizen knew about. Ichigo was stronger than most of the other captains at this point with hollow mask.
Shunsui pretty much beat Stark with no Bankai (he got taken out by a surprise attack at first, and then came back after. Ukitake is somewhere around Shunsui (he completed the academy along with Shunsui), but his sickness puts him lower. Not enough to be lower than Byakuya though, whom he was able to shunpo up to and stop from cutting someone by complete surprise.
If Tousen were around, and smart, I'd rate him to be one of the strongest. A quick beheading with his bankai is way too ridiculous. Gin is definitely stronger than most captains, beating Ichigo.
Yamamoto, Aizen
Shunsui, Unohana?, Ukitake
Gin, Tousen (if he weren't affected by plot)
Byakuya, Soi Fon, Zaraki
Doggy, Toushiro, Tousen
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On October 24 2013 18:13 Oshuy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 14:32 JKM wrote:
I think Zaraki is gonna put down someone important. Otherwise all his training (training = killing co-captain) panels will have been for naught.
Zaraki has had a huge powerup (with self-imposed limits gone and bankai available), but is still under the kenpachi's curse. Unohana led a monastic life, avoiding any fight to avoid getting driven by her bloodlust, but Zaraki will show no such restraint. While Ichigo battles Bach, Zaraki goes on to slaughter the 2 remaining Sternritters before turning against other shinigamis as the only remaining targets. Ichigo comes back victorious but dying to find Zaraki sitting on a pile of corpse, sole survivor and depressed by his lack of opponents. After they kill eachother in a final confrontation, the king of souls looks down, sheds a single tear that gets everyone back to full shape/power, ready for the next arc.
I would actually enjoy that ending. Mostly because Zaraki is by far my favorite character of the series and I just want to see him being a badass.
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On October 25 2013 13:11 Dark_Chill wrote:
So, let's do power levels like this. Ichigo could not beat Ulquiora Resurrection, which Aizen knew about. Ichigo was stronger than most of the other captains at this point with hollow mask.
Shunsui pretty much beat Stark with no Bankai (he got taken out by a surprise attack at first, and then came back after. Ukitake is somewhere around Shunsui (he completed the academy along with Shunsui), but his sickness puts him lower. Not enough to be lower than Byakuya though, whom he was able to shunpo up to and stop from cutting someone by complete surprise.
If Tousen were around, and smart, I'd rate him to be one of the strongest. A quick beheading with his bankai is way too ridiculous. Gin is definitely stronger than most captains, beating Ichigo.
Yamamoto, Aizen
Shunsui, Unohana?, Ukitake
Gin, Tousen (if he weren't affected by plot)
Byakuya, Soi Fon, Zaraki
Doggy, Toushiro, Tousen
so jsut because Ukitake was in the same class as Shunsui he has to be on the same level? seriously?
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On October 25 2013 13:38 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2013 13:11 Dark_Chill wrote:
So, let's do power levels like this. Ichigo could not beat Ulquiora Resurrection, which Aizen knew about. Ichigo was stronger than most of the other captains at this point with hollow mask.
Shunsui pretty much beat Stark with no Bankai (he got taken out by a surprise attack at first, and then came back after. Ukitake is somewhere around Shunsui (he completed the academy along with Shunsui), but his sickness puts him lower. Not enough to be lower than Byakuya though, whom he was able to shunpo up to and stop from cutting someone by complete surprise.
If Tousen were around, and smart, I'd rate him to be one of the strongest. A quick beheading with his bankai is way too ridiculous. Gin is definitely stronger than most captains, beating Ichigo.
Yamamoto, Aizen
Shunsui, Unohana?, Ukitake
Gin, Tousen (if he weren't affected by plot)
Byakuya, Soi Fon, Zaraki
Doggy, Toushiro, Tousen so jsut because Ukitake was in the same class as Shunsui he has to be on the same level? seriously?
We've pretty much seen that seniority is a major factor in power level. Why can't you accept this?
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On October 25 2013 12:19 aksfjh wrote:
I would put Zaraki below Byakuya for SS arc, simply because he too has "powered up" throughout Bleach.
If by "powered up" you mean he actually bothered to use two hands to wield his sword, then sure.
Zaraki was far beyond Byakuya at that point, he just didn't fight at his outmost because he was silly and stupid (read: Kubo sucks).
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Not sure why you guys put zaraki so low, when he fought unohana it was clearly said that he was restraining his power to match his oponent, thats why he was so close to ichigo without bankai. So i'd say he didnt get any powerup after SS arc, he met stronger oponents and just like in fight vs ichigo, he unconsciously matches their strength
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