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On June 08 2011 21:30 Body_Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 21:21 betaV1.25 wrote:On June 08 2011 21:00 Sm3agol wrote:On June 08 2011 20:48 betaV1.25 wrote:On June 08 2011 20:39 Sm3agol wrote:On June 08 2011 20:25 betaV1.25 wrote:This is getting completly off topic :-) How ever i am happy that RR martin agrees with me  it makes me feel less alone ;-) Its not 'classic' beauty but she has a certain appeal dripping of her face. + Show Spoiler [some pics of her] +If i remember it i will take a screenshot of ep 8. Anyway she has a fan To go back on topic: The metallic sound you could hear was -at least what i think- the killing that was happening in the tower of the hand. Not the fight of the waterdancer versus the white cloack. I dunno..i certainly thought it was from Syrio and Co. And from the sounds, it sounded like Syrio was kicking butt, not dying. There was a lot of metal hitting the ground...and Syrio wasn't wearing any metal. Still the sound you hear sounds like metal to metal in my ears. That will make me believe its not Syrio hammering with a wooden sword or Syrio getting hits. Will watch again tonight, not that will bring a conclusion.
on a side note: i ofc looked up what martin had to say about Osha Martin has noted that her performance completely knocked the socks off of himself and the producers, so much so that he suspects her performance may lead him to expanding Osha’s role in the series.
me and martin, we could be friends ;-) There was plenty of metal to go around in that room. Regardless that scene was incredibly badass, and I wish Arya's killing of the stable boy was done better. Totally agree on the Arya part, it seemed like she accidently pushed a sword through a whole belly. I think you need to push rather hard for that. Either really make it look like an accident OR make her really kill him. (i prefer the last one) Also a wound in that area of the body takes a fair amount of time to cause death, yet the boy just falls over. It's the age old if you touch a sword you either get a small scratch, or just die syndrome of TV Series/Movies that have swords. Not that I'm complaining, it simplifies quite a few things.
I would have MMMMUUUUCCCCCHHHHH rather have them have a desperate(and quick) fight, with her sword vs, say his club or something similar, ending with a fairly decisive death rather than that poorly acted, unrealistic, "I'm not even sure wtf just happened" moment. Not sure what goes down in the books but I'm pretty sure it didn't involve her holding out her sword and him running himself through the stomach with it, then dying instantly.
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On June 08 2011 21:33 Tili_us wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 21:30 Body_Shield wrote:
Also a wound in that area of the body takes a fair amount of time to cause death, yet the boy just falls over. It's the age old if you touch a sword you either get a small scratch, or just die syndrome of TV Series/Movies that have swords.
Not that I'm complaining, it simplifies quite a few things.
Ever heard of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_stress_reaction or "shock" ?
There is little to nothing there that has to do with someone apparently instantly falling over dead from a wound in an area that would cause a slow death.
I'm not sure what you're getting at, could you elaborate?
On June 08 2011 21:36 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +
Also a wound in that area of the body takes a fair amount of time to cause death, yet the boy just falls over. It's the age old if you touch a sword you either get a small scratch, or just die syndrome of TV Series/Movies that have swords.
Not that I'm complaining, it simplifies quite a few things.
I would have MMMMUUUUCCCCCHHHHH rather have them have a desperate(and quick) fight, with her sword vs, say his club or something similar, ending with a fairly decisive death rather than that poorly acted, unrealistic, "I'm not even sure wtf just happened" moment. Not sure what goes down in the books but I'm pretty sure it didn't involve her holding out her sword and him running himself through the stomach with it, then dying instantly.
Well they only have so much time for a single episode
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On June 08 2011 21:38 Body_Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 21:33 Tili_us wrote:On June 08 2011 21:30 Body_Shield wrote:
Also a wound in that area of the body takes a fair amount of time to cause death, yet the boy just falls over. It's the age old if you touch a sword you either get a small scratch, or just die syndrome of TV Series/Movies that have swords.
Not that I'm complaining, it simplifies quite a few things.
Ever heard of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_stress_reaction or "shock" ? There is little to nothing there that has to do with someone apparently instantly falling over dead from a wound in an area that would cause a slow death. I'm not sure what you're getting at, could you elaborate? Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 21:36 Sm3agol wrote:
Also a wound in that area of the body takes a fair amount of time to cause death, yet the boy just falls over. It's the age old if you touch a sword you either get a small scratch, or just die syndrome of TV Series/Movies that have swords.
Not that I'm complaining, it simplifies quite a few things.
I would have MMMMUUUUCCCCCHHHHH rather have them have a desperate(and quick) fight, with her sword vs, say his club or something similar, ending with a fairly decisive death rather than that poorly acted, unrealistic, "I'm not even sure wtf just happened" moment. Not sure what goes down in the books but I'm pretty sure it didn't involve her holding out her sword and him running himself through the stomach with it, then dying instantly. Well they only have so much time for a single episode
A short quick fight would have taken like.....an extra 10 seconds, lol.
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On June 08 2011 21:47 WiljushkA wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 21:36 Sm3agol wrote:On June 08 2011 21:30 Body_Shield wrote:On June 08 2011 21:21 betaV1.25 wrote:On June 08 2011 21:00 Sm3agol wrote:On June 08 2011 20:48 betaV1.25 wrote:On June 08 2011 20:39 Sm3agol wrote:On June 08 2011 20:25 betaV1.25 wrote:This is getting completly off topic :-) How ever i am happy that RR martin agrees with me it makes me feel less alone ;-) Its not 'classic' beauty but she has a certain appeal dripping of her face. + Show Spoiler [some pics of her] +If i remember it i will take a screenshot of ep 8. Anyway she has a fan To go back on topic: The metallic sound you could hear was -at least what i think- the killing that was happening in the tower of the hand. Not the fight of the waterdancer versus the white cloack. I dunno..i certainly thought it was from Syrio and Co. And from the sounds, it sounded like Syrio was kicking butt, not dying. There was a lot of metal hitting the ground...and Syrio wasn't wearing any metal. Still the sound you hear sounds like metal to metal in my ears. That will make me believe its not Syrio hammering with a wooden sword or Syrio getting hits. Will watch again tonight, not that will bring a conclusion.
on a side note: i ofc looked up what martin had to say about Osha Martin has noted that her performance completely knocked the socks off of himself and the producers, so much so that he suspects her performance may lead him to expanding Osha’s role in the series.
me and martin, we could be friends ;-) There was plenty of metal to go around in that room. Regardless that scene was incredibly badass, and I wish Arya's killing of the stable boy was done better. Totally agree on the Arya part, it seemed like she accidently pushed a sword through a whole belly. I think you need to push rather hard for that. Either really make it look like an accident OR make her really kill him. (i prefer the last one) Also a wound in that area of the body takes a fair amount of time to cause death, yet the boy just falls over. It's the age old if you touch a sword you either get a small scratch, or just die syndrome of TV Series/Movies that have swords. Not that I'm complaining, it simplifies quite a few things. I would have MMMMUUUUCCCCCHHHHH rather have them have a desperate(and quick) fight, with her sword vs, say his club or something similar, ending with a fairly decisive death rather than that poorly acted, unrealistic, "I'm not even sure wtf just happened" moment. Not sure what goes down in the books but I'm pretty sure it didn't involve her holding out her sword and him running himself through the stomach with it, then dying instantly. it is pretty much the way it happened in the books. also no amount of training can change the fact that arya is a scared 10 year old girl. its one thing playing with wooden swords and another thing completely when youre fighting to kill.
True, but I wasn't hoping for some long drawn out display of skill. Just a short quick fight where she avoids his rush, maybe parries a blow and then just sticks him or something. Nothing elaborate or "skillful" just some semblance of a fight, and a quick ending that didn't involve him basically committing seppuku.
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Because we -don't- care what really happens in the books.
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I loved the books but i do realise we need adaptations, as we are discussing the TV show here, i want a death that i can believe on screen.
So either, make it really look like an accident or make her thrust that sword in his body meaning to kill him. Not whooppss i turned around and now there is an entire sword through your body.
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On June 08 2011 22:03 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 21:58 tkRage wrote:On June 08 2011 21:54 Acid~ wrote:On June 08 2011 21:36 Sm3agol wrote:On June 08 2011 21:30 Body_Shield wrote:On June 08 2011 21:21 betaV1.25 wrote:On June 08 2011 21:00 Sm3agol wrote:On June 08 2011 20:48 betaV1.25 wrote:On June 08 2011 20:39 Sm3agol wrote:On June 08 2011 20:25 betaV1.25 wrote:This is getting completly off topic :-) How ever i am happy that RR martin agrees with me it makes me feel less alone ;-) Its not 'classic' beauty but she has a certain appeal dripping of her face. + Show Spoiler [some pics of her] +If i remember it i will take a screenshot of ep 8. Anyway she has a fan To go back on topic: The metallic sound you could hear was -at least what i think- the killing that was happening in the tower of the hand. Not the fight of the waterdancer versus the white cloack. I dunno..i certainly thought it was from Syrio and Co. And from the sounds, it sounded like Syrio was kicking butt, not dying. There was a lot of metal hitting the ground...and Syrio wasn't wearing any metal. Still the sound you hear sounds like metal to metal in my ears. That will make me believe its not Syrio hammering with a wooden sword or Syrio getting hits. Will watch again tonight, not that will bring a conclusion.
on a side note: i ofc looked up what martin had to say about Osha Martin has noted that her performance completely knocked the socks off of himself and the producers, so much so that he suspects her performance may lead him to expanding Osha’s role in the series.
me and martin, we could be friends ;-) There was plenty of metal to go around in that room. Regardless that scene was incredibly badass, and I wish Arya's killing of the stable boy was done better. Totally agree on the Arya part, it seemed like she accidently pushed a sword through a whole belly. I think you need to push rather hard for that. Either really make it look like an accident OR make her really kill him. (i prefer the last one) Also a wound in that area of the body takes a fair amount of time to cause death, yet the boy just falls over. It's the age old if you touch a sword you either get a small scratch, or just die syndrome of TV Series/Movies that have swords. Not that I'm complaining, it simplifies quite a few things. I would have MMMMUUUUCCCCCHHHHH rather have them have a desperate(and quick) fight, with her sword vs, say his club or something similar, ending with a fairly decisive death rather than that poorly acted, unrealistic, "I'm not even sure wtf just happened" moment. Not sure what goes down in the books but I'm pretty sure it didn't involve her holding out her sword and him running himself through the stomach with it, then dying instantly. Everything Syrio Forel had ever taught her vanished in a heartbeat. In that instant of sudden terror, the only lesson Arya could remember was the one Jon Snow had given her, the very first.
She stuck him with the pointy end, driving the blade upward with a wild, hysterical strength.
Needle went through his leather jerkin and the white flesh of his belly and came out between his shoulder blades. The boy dropped the pitchfork and made a soft noise, something between a gasp and a sigh. His hands closed around the blade. "Oh, gods," he moaned, as his undertunic began to redden. "Take it out."
When she took it out, he died. Even though this is REALLY breaking the rules, lol, this post is the truth. THIS is how it was. The fact that some of you think it should be different doesn't matter one bit, the book is this, why would they write out some shitty fight scene when THIS is the story? It's also of some relevance later in the books as well so why would they re-write this relatively trivial scene? Well....that's not how it happened in the show lol. Apparently in the book she actually sticks him...in the show she turns around with the sword and he runs into it....weaponless. Not how it happened in the book at all. Actually my version is much closer, and I didn't even read the book. That being said, i don't really care how it happened in the books. The way the show showed it was just really awkward to watch.
Well, the only real difference was him taking a step forward into the sword, rather than Arya actually sticking him with the pointy end. This could be argued both ways, as it doesn't change anything. However, the thing that made it awkward wasn't how the scene was written; it was the fact that the stable boy acted absolutely horribly.
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How about instaban for quoting anything from the book?
I'd like to read the books one day and make my own opinion.
The warning on the top of the page is clear and many other warning have been repeated.
Those who have read the book have their own thread, go be free.
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So what if he quoted from the book? it didn't spoil anything, it was part of a discussion that went on for pages, it's a very small and rather unimportant part. I'm all for being hard on spoilers but cmon...
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On June 08 2011 22:40 Ajunoo wrote:
So what if he quoted from the book? it didn't spoil anything, it was part of a discussion that went on for pages, it's a very small and rather unimportant part. I'm all for being hard on spoilers but cmon...
So we found out over the course of 218 pages that people can't just stick to minor spoilers and apparently aren't competent enough to distinguish between insignificant and "wow you just ruined that for everyone".
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Then tell people to stop comparing ANYTHING in the series to what happened in the books. AKA impossible because everyone's going to have an opinion if they've read it
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I'm kinda astonished... If you don't care what happens in the books, don't watch the show. Try the same situation only this time put it in the context of Lord of the Rings... it's a book first. The closer the show is to the books, the better, for everyone.
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If you actually watch the scene, you see that Arya actively stabs him when she turns around. The stableboy had stopped walking when that happened. The sword was hidden before that, so he wouldn't know she was stabbing him.
Even if that would not kill you right away, it is still likely to knock you out or make you fall, especially when you are 14 years old and completely unprepared for it.
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Alright, looks like it will all boil down to the battle between Robb's army and Tywin/Jamie's. I think it's not near impossible for an army of 18000 men to defeat a 4 times larger army. Robb, how will you do it? I can't wait to see how the boy will command his men to victory... or defeat :/
And I will be tremendously disappointed if Drogo begins to have a soft heart due to the "moon of his life" and cancels the invasion. But that's quite unlikely because it's Daenerys herself who urged him to take the iron throne, lol.
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On June 09 2011 00:59 alypse wrote:
Alright, looks like it will all boil down to the battle between Robb's army and Tywin/Jamie's. I think it's not near impossible for an army of 18000 men to defeat a 4 times larger army. Robb, how will you do it? I can't wait to see how the boy will command his men to victory... or defeat :/
And I will be tremendously disappointed if Drogo begins to have a soft heart due to the "moon of his life" and cancels the invasion. But that's quite unlikely because it's Daenerys herself who urged him to take the iron throne, lol.
If i understood correctly the lannisters have 2 hosts atm with a combined strenght of 60K.
there is no telling how the entire host is split up in 2 armies. (if you rewatch the episode you will notice 2 lions on the table and 1 wolf, each representing an army).
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On June 09 2011 01:13 betaV1.25 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 00:59 alypse wrote:
Alright, looks like it will all boil down to the battle between Robb's army and Tywin/Jamie's. I think it's not near impossible for an army of 18000 men to defeat a 4 times larger army. Robb, how will you do it? I can't wait to see how the boy will command his men to victory... or defeat :/
And I will be tremendously disappointed if Drogo begins to have a soft heart due to the "moon of his life" and cancels the invasion. But that's quite unlikely because it's Daenerys herself who urged him to take the iron throne, lol.
If i understood correctly the lannisters have 2 hosts atm with a combined strenght of 60K. there is no telling how the entire host is split up in 2 armies. (if you rewatch the episode you will notice 2 lions on the table and 1 wolf, each representing an army).
In episode 7, Tywin told Jaime to take 30 000 men, so it is split in half, or close to it.
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Seeing people speculate when you know the truth is amusing. :p
Don't worry, I'm not going to abuse my power and spoil it like SOME people.
I can't believe how good this series is shaping up to be.
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On June 09 2011 01:13 betaV1.25 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 00:59 alypse wrote:
Alright, looks like it will all boil down to the battle between Robb's army and Tywin/Jamie's. I think it's not near impossible for an army of 18000 men to defeat a 4 times larger army. Robb, how will you do it? I can't wait to see how the boy will command his men to victory... or defeat :/
And I will be tremendously disappointed if Drogo begins to have a soft heart due to the "moon of his life" and cancels the invasion. But that's quite unlikely because it's Daenerys herself who urged him to take the iron throne, lol.
If i understood correctly the lannisters have 2 hosts atm with a combined strenght of 60K. there is no telling how the entire host is split up in 2 armies. (if you rewatch the episode you will notice 2 lions on the table and 1 wolf, each representing an army).
You will also notice on the map those two hosts are a apart by a fair distance (you have to pause the show at that moment to notice that). With some clever scout killing one could get to fight only one of them and not both at the same time, especially since they said Jamie troops are siegeing Riverrun
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I think I might've missed it, but was one of those armies supposed to go fulfill Tyrions promise? So it's 18k vs 30k while another 30k is heading away? And the thing with letting the spy leave, was that because the spy had counted 20k and Robb thought that would be a good number to let Tywin know? (Since it leaves the impression that Robbs army is bigger than it is).
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