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On May 19 2015 04:25 Erinyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 03:09 Erasme wrote:On May 19 2015 02:54 Erinyes wrote:
Honestly the best episode this far in the season. Lots of plot advances and a bunch of things that need to be resolved - I love it.
That face of Cersei and the stare towards Olenna, just wonderful. So much arrogance from her. She's loving it but I personally feel once you get invested too emotionally into things those can backfire quite heavily. She may be smart but I truly believe Olenna is smarter and more experienced.
The last scene with Sansa and Ramsay was tough to watch but I really thought she might have had a dagger or a knife in her sleeve at first. I don't even want to know what Theon was thinking there either. His face spoke more than anything we could have seen - which I am fine with that we didn't. We know how Ramsay does things, leave that up to the audience to figure out.
P.S. To the person who posted about Bronn being possibly poisened - damn you I never thought about that when I saw the arm wound.
P.P.S. Please don't die :/ cersei is dumb af shes an arrogant dumb girl, bound to crash That's a pretty odd viewpoint. You would think staying in the position that she's in she cannot be dumb. I would not call her that in the slightest. I would call her overconfident perhaps, but she is smart - not as much as she thinks she is - but smart.
Cersei had a chance to reaffirm Lannister power after Tywin died and instead she went on a collision course with their only ally (Tyrell).
She is a mediocre player of the Game of Thrones at best, she survived Ned because he was even worse and has lost basically every move since, surviving only because Tyrion, unlike her, wasn't willing to kill family prior to his Shae meltdown.
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On May 19 2015 02:05 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 01:52 ZasZ. wrote:On May 19 2015 00:19 Redox wrote:On May 19 2015 00:05 Gorsameth wrote:On May 18 2015 23:58 Hier wrote:
I still have to remind myself that Sansa is in Winterfell now. Seriously, when did she teleport there? Nobody even talked about it or anything. The first time Sansa appears in Winterfell is when she lights the candle at Lyanna's statue. I'm convinced there was a scene cut from the final version. Speaking of Baelish, what do people think his agenda is right now, aside from himself obviously. He delivered Sansa to the Boltons to make a pact between them and the Vale. He knows Stannis is coming to wipe them out and now he is riding there himself in the, seeming, service of the Lannisters. If he means to betray Cersei surely there is a better way and I don't get why he would hand Sansa over if he wants to destroy both the Boltons and Stannis. He wants to be Warden of the North. By delivering Sansa to the Boltons he made them betray the Lannisters. This allows him to get the crown's approval to march with an army to the North and take it. Northerners might even be thankful for it. Then he would control both North and Vale. Only problem I see is that Boltons could just tell Cersei that it was Littlefinger that brought them Sansa. I see no reason why she should believe Bolton over Littlefinger, and he at least has an alibi for Sansa's escape, even though he was responsible. This way, if the Boltons defeat Stannis, he will have the Crown's help in unseating the Boltons and claiming the North. If Stannis defeats the Boltons, he may be able to work something out with him in exchange for the Vale's support and Stannis would likely defer to Sansa at Winterfell in exchange for the North's support. He's positioned himself to come out ahead no matter who wins the battle, which seems to be vintage Littlefinger at this point. To me it seems Stannis is certain to beat the Boltons, The North hates them for betraying Rob and with the death of Tywin he has no support from the south. If Littlefinger wants to ally with Stannis he could find a much better way to betray the Lannisters then march his army to Winterfell for no reason. I forgot he used Sansa to make the Boltons look like betrayers so I guess his plan is to beat Stannis after he blunts himself on the Boltons and claim the north but is the Vale really powerful enough for that? I don't expect the Boltons to put up that much resistance against Stannis new army.
Stannis has to march an army through the north in winter while not being able to replenish the provisions of his troops. Than he has to lay siege to a castle which seems t be more or less intact without siege weapons. I think he has his work cut out for him...
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Fucking Tommen. I'm pretty sure literally any other major character would be doing a better job than he is. Dany made some mistakes, but Tommen is actually entirely useless.
I was so excited for the Sand Snakes but they too have been pretty ineffective. The writing is trying to tell us that they're supposed to be tough, badass fighters, but all they've been shown to do so far is execute a helpless prisoner and then fight Jamie and Bronn for a minute before the other guards came and broke up the fight. Then struggling pitifully against the random guard after a snide comment from Bronn, just, come on.
Oh well. I liked the episode as a whole.
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Werent they going to try capture the princess first and i think bring her back to the older lady? cause one of them said something like you take her and go, plus the older lady was just waiting there in the back. The sand snakes definitely seem pretty weak :/ i would have like to think they would be trained in basic weapons as well but each have a speciality i mean at least carry two daggers dipped in posion for throwing or something, the girl with the whip how does she kill anyone? looks like a normal whip i guess if it had like a blade at the end dipped in poison then i would see it killing someone, but does she need a sword or somethign to finish them off after shes supposedly whipped them down or got it around their neck?
How does the greyscale thing work agian? if u have it and u touch someone they have it? is it that contagious shouldnt tyrion and all the pirates have it according to the comment before
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On May 19 2015 09:27 Shock710 wrote:
Werent they going to try capture the princess first and i think bring her back to the older lady? cause one of them said something like you take her and go, plus the older lady was just waiting there in the back. The sand snakes definitely seem pretty weak :/ i would have like to think they would be trained in basic weapons as well but each have a speciality i mean at least carry two daggers dipped in posion for throwing or something, the girl with the whip how does she kill anyone? looks like a normal whip i guess if it had like a blade at the end dipped in poison then i would see it killing someone, but does she need a sword or somethign to finish them off after shes supposedly whipped them down or got it around their neck?
How does the greyscale thing work agian? if u have it and u touch someone they have it? is it that contagious shouldnt tyrion and all the pirates have it according to the comment before
I think it's contagion level varies, probably direct contact with the infected area, though I doubt anyone knows for sure based on the medical knowledge at the time. That people were willing to treat Stannis daughter and have her housed anywhere near people must mean it can be controlled somewhat though. Grayscale is basically a way scarier zombie virus.
EDIT: Poison tip on the whip should be a given, was surprised by that. my only guess being maybe just maybe they didn't intend on having to kill anyone since they would be fellow people of Dorn so perhaps they went without poison (hoping for Bronns sake).
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On May 19 2015 04:25 Erinyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 03:09 Erasme wrote:On May 19 2015 02:54 Erinyes wrote:
Honestly the best episode this far in the season. Lots of plot advances and a bunch of things that need to be resolved - I love it.
That face of Cersei and the stare towards Olenna, just wonderful. So much arrogance from her. She's loving it but I personally feel once you get invested too emotionally into things those can backfire quite heavily. She may be smart but I truly believe Olenna is smarter and more experienced.
The last scene with Sansa and Ramsay was tough to watch but I really thought she might have had a dagger or a knife in her sleeve at first. I don't even want to know what Theon was thinking there either. His face spoke more than anything we could have seen - which I am fine with that we didn't. We know how Ramsay does things, leave that up to the audience to figure out.
P.S. To the person who posted about Bronn being possibly poisened - damn you I never thought about that when I saw the arm wound.
P.P.S. Please don't die :/ cersei is dumb af shes an arrogant dumb girl, bound to crash That's a pretty odd viewpoint. You would think staying in the position that she's in she cannot be dumb. I would not call her that in the slightest. I would call her overconfident perhaps, but she is smart - not as much as she thinks she is - but smart.
She was born in that position, none of it came from her, only from her father/house
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to the person asking what's Littlefinger's plan. He already said it all while talking to Cersei. He convinced that Boltons betrayed the Lannisters and he said to let them battle and strike who ever the victor will be.(Boltons or Stannis) (striking quickly while the enemy is licking their wound" something like that,.
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On May 19 2015 09:51 shin_toss wrote:
to the person asking what's Littlefinger's plan. He already said it all while talking to Cersei. He convinced that Boltons betrayed the Lannisters and he said to let them battle and strike who ever the victor will be.(Boltons or Stannis) (striking quickly while the enemy is licking their wound" something like that,.
Yeah I agree that his plans in the north seemed pretty clear. What I'm wondering is if he was working with Cersei by having his little spy rat on Loras in the trial or if he did that behind her back in order to further the conflict between the Lanisters/Tyrells so that he can also make a move in the south.
Second option seems more LF like to me, but the trial also seemed to go exactly how I imagine Cersei wanted it to go so I'm not really sure.
Edit: I also get the impression that LF still wants Sansa for himself and I'm not really sure how he makes that happen with Cersei still in power, so that could support his driving the conflict between Lanisters/Tyrells in hopes of getting rid of Cersei.
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The rape scene was definitely milder than I expected. At the start of it I thought he would get out Theons petrified dick or something and force him to rape Sansa with it. Just letting him watch seemed rather mild and boring considering it's Ramsey tbh
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On May 19 2015 10:08 diehilde wrote:
The rape scene was definitely milder than I expected. At the start of it I thought he would get out Theons petrified dick or something and force him to rape Sansa with it. Just letting him watch seemed rather mild and boring considering it's Ramsey tbh
Wow that would have been fucked up. He probably would have though if he hadn't already sent it to Theon's father.
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I'm not sure why people are using the word rape to describe the last scene. Consummation of marriage was as much a part of the ritual as the exchange of vows; everyone knew it was coming. Was Ramsay's way of going about it extremely distasteful? Certainly. But "rape" seems far-fetched.
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On May 19 2015 10:10 Chewbacca. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 10:08 diehilde wrote:
The rape scene was definitely milder than I expected. At the start of it I thought he would get out Theons petrified dick or something and force him to rape Sansa with it. Just letting him watch seemed rather mild and boring considering it's Ramsey tbh Wow that would have been fucked up. He probably would have though if he hadn't already sent it to Theon's father.
Remember that he was born when his dad nailed a random peasant under the corpse of her hanging husband after they married without Roose's consent.
I don't think he's measuring up to the Bolton Standard quiet yet.
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For the rape scene, the same as the one guy said before, people are more affected by compared to Dany because of emotional invesment in the character. When it happened to Dany it was just season 1 and most viewers probabaly doesn't have a favorite or a character they are rooting for yet at that time. (maybe with the exception of Ned). And I think Sansa's screaming adds more effect to it.
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On May 19 2015 10:24 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 10:10 Chewbacca. wrote:On May 19 2015 10:08 diehilde wrote:
The rape scene was definitely milder than I expected. At the start of it I thought he would get out Theons petrified dick or something and force him to rape Sansa with it. Just letting him watch seemed rather mild and boring considering it's Ramsey tbh Wow that would have been fucked up. He probably would have though if he hadn't already sent it to Theon's father. Remember that he was born when his dad nailed a random peasant under the corpse of her hanging husband after they married without Roose's consent. I don't think he's measuring up to the Bolton Standard quiet yet.
Hmm, I'm thinking that guy never watched Braveheart or he would have known not to do something like that..
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On May 19 2015 10:20 Hier wrote:
I'm not sure why people are using the word rape to describe the last scene. Consummation of marriage was as much a part of the ritual as the exchange of vows; everyone knew it was coming. Was Ramsey's way of going about it extremely distasteful? Certainly. But "rape" seems far-fetched.
It is a bit of a liberal usage of the word rape. That feels weird to say, but it's true. It's especially true given the stories setting.
Producers mentioned that Littlefinger doesn't know Ramsay is a psycho either btw if anyone was wondering.
EDIT: Ooo poll is tough, Joffrey is the easy answer but I was pretty pissed at Shae during Tyrions trial.
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I have an idea of who's going to be first, but I thought the results may still be interesting...
Poll: Which character have you hated the most at one point so far?(Vote): Joffrey Baratheon
(Vote): Ramsay Bolton
(Vote): Cersei Lannister
(Vote): Roose Bolton
(Vote): Daenerys Targaryen
(Vote): Viserys Targaryen
(Vote): Lysa Arryn
(Vote): Robin Arryn
(Vote): Theon Greyjoy
(Vote): Jaime Lannister
(Vote): Shae
(Vote): Janos Slynt
(Vote): Alliser Thorne
(Vote): Khal Drogo
(Vote): Other (name them in the comments)
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Went with Shae. The character always somewhat annoyed me and didn't seem to have many redeeming qualities, then the whole trial/Tywin thing happened...
Joffery/Ramsay while sadistic are good characters
Was tempted to vote Lysa/Robin
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Who the hell would hate Karl Drogo?
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Should totally add season 1 Sansa there...
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the old witch lady obviously XD
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