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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17826 Posts
January 16 2021 11:17 GMT
#241
Season is still going strong. The only weak thing for me is Naomi's arc. It's a good arc, but done poorly. I appreciate that we can learn more about Marco and Philip through her but all this touchy-feely stuff is just too much and her scenes with Philip drag on forever and are mostly unnecessary (it's not like I'll start caring about him out of the blue).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5860 Posts
January 16 2021 12:51 GMT
#242
I really facepalmed hard when I saw Bobbie toss that bullet out. Overall, I think they started to pay less attention to details when it comes to the space scenes. Why on earth would they keep cutlery in a cup on a spaceship? :<
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
January 18 2021 20:31 GMT
#243
On January 16 2021 20:17 Manit0u wrote:
Season is still going strong. The only weak thing for me is Naomi's arc. It's a good arc, but done poorly. I appreciate that we can learn more about Marco and Philip through her but all this touchy-feely stuff is just too much and her scenes with Philip drag on forever and are mostly unnecessary (it's not like I'll start caring about him out of the blue).


This so much... Naomi's arc literally used as filler... was basically on my phone during that time.
Life?
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-23 04:19:50
January 23 2021 04:18 GMT
#244
Man, episode 8 left me scratching my head about the writing team.

For one thing, I assume Naomi's scenes are all lifted straight from the books, because they were not designed for television. + Show Spoiler +
Basically it's watching her shuffle around for a while tinkering with objects I don't understand as a casual viewer from 2021, for a brief payoff when she accomplishes something she has to explicitly tell the audience. Do we really need "The Martian: Expanse edition" with tech we don't understand?
Not exactly great for an episodic TV show.

For another, + Show Spoiler +
the editing of the Naomi-related storylines just feels bizarre. It feels like the end of that Drummer sequence is supposed to have a revelation that she's still alive-but we know that. We even know exactly what she was doing on the ship, since we saw it through to its completion. It seems like at one point they were planning to not tell us Naomi made the jump to the second ship for another episode, and have the Roci and Razorback pursuing her while we as the audience could feasibly think she was dead, but then they chickened out.


Hope her storyline takes up <50% of the next two episodes but I'm not...holding my breath. Ba-dum-tshh.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
January 25 2021 12:51 GMT
#245
Saw that folks were talking about this show and decided to give it a shot. Finished the first season yesterday and I gotta say, it's much better than I expected. The acting is very uneven, but the worldbuilding and plotlines punch above their weight.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
January 25 2021 14:17 GMT
#246
Naomi's arc is the weakest point of this season, I'd be glad to see more Amos action, or even Avasarala/Martian story. What is the background of current Roci pilot? Those dude who was Fred Johnson's left hand at the station - we know almost nothing about him.
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9959 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-28 18:16:53
January 28 2021 18:11 GMT
#247
+ Show Spoiler +
Marco Inaros has become too evil. It doesn't fit with the overall morality of the show.
He's slowly lost his ambiguity because they wanted Naomi to seem more abused.

On January 25 2021 21:51 farvacola wrote:
Saw that folks were talking about this show and decided to give it a shot. Finished the first season yesterday and I gotta say, it's much better than I expected. The acting is very uneven, but the worldbuilding and plotlines punch above their weight.


I recently rewatched in anticipation of season 5, the acting either gets better as it goes along or is an acquired taste. I can't decide which.
RIP Meatloaf <3
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-29 10:11:58
January 29 2021 10:03 GMT
#248
Naomi's arc, including Marco, would be better if Filip had some screen presence or the character was at all interesting. But I just feel absolutely nothing for him. He's emotional instability incarnate, but somehow that ends up boring. Maybe if they'd found an actual teenager for the role his immaturity would be more tolerable? I dunno. But he's in his mid-twenties...

Part of it is the same issues I have with Drummer's plotline in s5 (and heck, even Holden's-who can care about him hanging out with journalist lady and random pilot guy?). The show has always split people up, but putting one character I like/am familiar with in the midst of tons of new ones just doesn't click as much for me as the close-knit cast of the earlier seasons-at least with Amos he's the real driver of his plot.

Oh well. Hopefully the season finale manages to bring things together again in a meaningful way.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17826 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-29 22:39:28
January 29 2021 22:38 GMT
#249
Naomi's arc would be better if it were maybe 1 episode. Now we've been stuck with it for more or less 3 episodes and it's not interesting enough for me, feels just like some filler stuff. In general, some interesting stuff happening this season: rocks, free navy, mars in decline and their underhanded dealings with the Belt, Earth's retaliation for the rocks - all of this is interesting and I would be really glad if the show focused more on those aspects rather than Naomi being stuck on a ship and people slowly flying to save her. At this point I don't even care if she lives or dies, I just want this arc to end...
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
February 03 2021 02:49 GMT
#250
So that's how they replaced the pilot, the new one seems more charismatic

Also, getting + Show Spoiler +
peaches
to the crew is a big buff, i thought that Bobby will do this job, but it seems like she'll stick to Avasarala?
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
February 04 2021 21:38 GMT
#251
On January 30 2021 07:38 Manit0u wrote:
Naomi's arc would be better if it were maybe 1 episode. Now we've been stuck with it for more or less 3 episodes and it's not interesting enough for me, feels just like some filler stuff. In general, some interesting stuff happening this season: rocks, free navy, mars in decline and their underhanded dealings with the Belt, Earth's retaliation for the rocks - all of this is interesting and I would be really glad if the show focused more on those aspects rather than Naomi being stuck on a ship and people slowly flying to save her. At this point I don't even care if she lives or dies, I just want this arc to end...


For me, I just don't like Naomi enough to justify this much time spent on her arc. I have a really hard time appreciating her. I'm always frustrated by decisions she makes lol
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2554 Posts
February 05 2021 00:23 GMT
#252
I liked the pilot. He was the most charismatic character. Shame he got metoo'd.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
February 05 2021 00:31 GMT
#253
On February 05 2021 09:23 Hyperbola wrote:
I liked the pilot. He was the most charismatic character. Shame he got metoo'd.

Is that what happened? I’m super bummed. Still can’t believe it.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-05 05:27:09
February 05 2021 05:26 GMT
#254
At least to the show producers, the evidence was pretty compelling (he even harassed some production PAs, and none of the cast seemed surprised). Honestly I hated his acting anyway, but the awkwardness of them cutting around him + Show Spoiler +
and his death
really showed. There's a couple places you can clearly tell he got edited out with production magic in the last episode.
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2804 Posts
February 05 2021 09:01 GMT
#255
Yeah that was super jarring. Literally hands in the air "...WHAT."

I suppose I'm glad it happened, because there are more important things in life than an entertaining show, but boy was that ever 'out of nowhere' in the context of the show alone.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9959 Posts
February 05 2021 10:15 GMT
#256
On February 05 2021 09:23 Hyperbola wrote:
I liked the pilot. He was the most charismatic character. Shame he got metoo'd.

I had no idea about this. I liked Alex, although he was the cheesiest, most stereotypical sci-fi pilot haha.
I watched a walkaround he expanse set that the actor did not too long ago and the actor actually seemed like a really similar character to Alex. This one took me by surprise, but i guess you never know with people.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-05 15:00:32
February 05 2021 15:00 GMT
#257
The way they ended Alex was cheesy indeed, and the way they edited last episode was strange, sure. I've read about the "problems" with the actor even before the season, so it was not a surprise for the hardcore audience, Cas Anvar wasn't featured in any of the aftershow episodes this season as well.

For some reason I like the new pilot since the very first ep of s5, intro, development and how smoothley they confirmed he'll become the new pilot (scene with the cup of tea was very clear).

Naomi's ark was at least decent when she was captured by Macro, but her solo arc with the ship was waaaaaaaay too long, I'd better see more Avasarala/Amos action, or something from Martian society downfall.

Space battles were great, but I still cannot get used to engine/gun/rocket sounds in space -.-
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
February 05 2021 16:24 GMT
#258
On February 06 2021 00:00 Dav1oN wrote:

Naomi's ark was at least decent when she was captured by Macro, but her solo arc with the ship was waaaaaaaay too long, I'd better see more Avasarala/Amos action, or something from Martian society downfall.


For me, she could be jumping through portals and connecting with protomolecule species, deriving new mathematics to fight against the weird red shit, and I'd still hate it. Her character always just annoys me.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17826 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-05 18:33:42
February 05 2021 18:33 GMT
#259
Yeah, Naomi isn't the most likeable character around...

And I don't mind engine/ordnance sounds in space. I know it's unrealistic but it adds another dimension to the scenes and makes them better in my opinion. Otherwise they'd just be your mute CGI in speehs.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
February 07 2021 19:30 GMT
#260
Oh another season!? sick
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