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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
On November 14 2014 04:59 yrba1 wrote: Man it really feels weird not having to look forward to Naruto now that it's over. You don't feel free? After 10 years of weekly tyranny! | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On November 14 2014 05:35 c0ldfusion wrote: You don't feel free? After 10 years of weekly tyranny! it's only tyranny for those who hated it and didn't have the power to stop reading >.> I would've loved to see lots more chapter post-war just rebuilding, making more bonds etc... and the occasional skirmishes with any ninjas who broke the new rules and such . | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On November 14 2014 05:35 c0ldfusion wrote: You don't feel free? After 10 years of weekly tyranny! The Stockholm Syndrome is strong with me. :X | ||
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
The biggest fuck up of this series though has to be the timeskip. Not that it happened, but that Naruto came back taller and pretty much exactly the same. I think this series would have been a real treat if he came back using swamp ninjutsu, stuff like Jiraiya does (IE not just brute force) AND kept getting stronger. Rasengan would've felt cooler if it wasn't used 20 times per fight until he finally managed to hit someone, but instead was used strategically as a finishing blow after... well, the ninja battles that never were (Kakashi vs Zabuza and Hokage vs Orochimaru were the closest to what I wanted to see more of). I also never was a fan of squads suddenly splitting into 1 on 1 fights so often. I felt one of the things they often talked about is working as squads and using teamwork to eliminate threats but in the story it rarely happened. I'm also not a fan of how post-time skip pacing went. I missed the slower pace of the original timeline. The training with Jiraiya for example went on for quite a while and was super fun to watch. It wasn't just action, but to me that was great writing and it built the characters to be something more interesting. There wasn't much of that post time skip; even the training arcs were kind of meh and overall the series took away a lot of the light tone that made the rest of the darker moments seem much more interesting. Everything about the last war arc and the tailed beasts and beyond lost me as a real fan (still read but skipped a lot of chapters, wasn't super into it anymore). It felt like an ungodly long fan service, but again it wasn't really the type of fighting I like to see. Just tons of filler people vs a few strong enemies and then pretty much everyone redeems themselves. I wish the series had followed through with really interesting fights like the bridge arc ones but on a larger scale. Even the assault on Konoha during the Chuunin exam was pretty decent. Squads of enemies, summons, making use of ninjutsu... it wasn't perfect by any means but it was a lot better than the final arc. Sasuke getting redeemed... not a fan at all. At least, not how it went down. Finally, the stuff with the sage of the six paths, Kaguya, destiny, etc wasn't a good ending for me. It felt like he tried to make the story more epic than it needed to be IMO. I don't think it fit well in the Naruto universe and I wish the sage had stayed as a legend that we barely know about as a reader. Well, all in all, it had some great moments but most of the things I loved were pre time skip. I guess the target demographic preferred the "power fights" more than the "tactical fights" that I would've loved to see and thought fit much better in the Naruto universe. | ||
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
On November 14 2014 21:33 Kurr wrote: I guess the target demographic preferred the "power fights" more than the "tactical fights" that I would've loved to see and thought fit much better in the Naruto universe. I agree with most of what you said, but I think in regards to above it also has to do with degree of difficulty. It is actually quite difficult to come up with good tactical fights, because the author also has to invent the entire plan that both ninjas had from the start, and then show it in an exciting way. Some of Shikamaru's fights were just about the best of this sort I've ever read in any manga. However, this is pretty hard to do, and requires a lot of thought and planning on the part of the author, and lets me honest, I don't think Kishi was up to this sort of thing any more. It's a lot easier and takes a lot less imagination to simply invent a bigger and badder jutsu and to inflate power levels than it is to come up with interesting and surprising tactical twists. He did it so well starting out but it's hard to keep up. | ||
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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
On November 14 2014 21:50 LaughingTulkas wrote: I agree with most of what you said, but I think in regards to above it also has to do with degree of difficulty. It is actually quite difficult to come up with good tactical fights, because the author also has to invent the entire plan that both ninjas had from the start, and then show it in an exciting way. Some of Shikamaru's fights were just about the best of this sort I've ever read in any manga. However, this is pretty hard to do, and requires a lot of thought and planning on the part of the author, and lets me honest, I don't think Kishi was up to this sort of thing any more. It's a lot easier and takes a lot less imagination to simply invent a bigger and badder jutsu and to inflate power levels than it is to come up with interesting and surprising tactical twists. He did it so well starting out but it's hard to keep up. You know now that I think on it you are so right, tactical fights are hard to do. Not only do you have to invent entire plans for both sides, you have to also cover the fact that you have to add personality into it too. Not only does it need to be a sound plan, it has to be a plan for that character's personality. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On November 15 2014 02:31 lilwisper wrote: You know now that I think on it you are so right, tactical fights are hard to do. Not only do you have to invent entire plans for both sides, you have to also cover the fact that you have to add personality into it too. Not only does it need to be a sound plan, it has to be a plan for that character's personality. i dunno i feel like Naruto worked tactics into his fights fairly well not like Shikamaru but he didnt just brute strength every fight | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
Early to Mid Naruto was good, the power curves were fine and the fights were varied and fun to watch because a diverse number of abilities were viable. Kishi however, really fucked up power scaling and made 95% of all techniques useless and the fights became very samey. He also made some meh decisions for the direction the plot took that eventually wrote himself into a corner so he had to keep on fucking up power curves to make the next element work. | ||
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Lysteria
France2279 Posts
On November 14 2014 21:33 Kurr wrote: Now that it's done... I will remember this as a decent manga that was amazing until the end of the bridge arc. The Chuunin exam was decent, but looking back it's when they started using overwhelming power instead of techniques too much. I have the exact same opinion about this manga as well. The Bridge arc was awesome and it started to decay after that. The start of the Chuunin exam was really good too, with kids dying left and right and a huge differencial in their potential. The whole idea of working as a team to pick up a scroll and do ninja stuff to succeed... Like you said, it wasn't really there after that point except for small touches from time to time (team Shikamaru being a decent example), but even Sasuke's retrieval arc was a succession of fights. It wasn't clearly the worst manga in the world and I enjoyed a decent part of it, but I'm sad at the same time cause it could have been so awesome, and Kishi took the easy road. | ||
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ToT)OjKa(
Korea (South)2437 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On November 15 2014 23:00 ToT)OjKa( wrote: I never liked how ANBU were fucking terrible...dudes should be legit problem is that theres a huge gap between the main characters and everyone else, even Kakashi looked weak compared to akatsuki and named characters | ||
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Archaeo
United States397 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On November 16 2014 08:55 Archaeo wrote: So I just finished it; maybe I forgot, but what ever happened to Yamato? Did he die? No, he was captured by Madara and used for a while then towards the end after Infinite Tskuyomi was reversed, you see him there in one of the manga panels so he's still alive. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/opkUIMO.jpg) | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
I hadn't read the 200 first chapters tho i had seen some of it in the anime version I always thought people complained very much regarding the quality and that the critics weren't accurate or too harsh but no, indeed the first 1/3 of the manga is much much better than the rest also kishi has pretty bad writting antics concerning characters introduction and fight develloppements they all pretty much unfold in the exact same patterns wich tends to feel very dull and boring wich is a shame because concerning the character design and graphic ideas he come up with its actually pretty consistent also the art was much better at the begening i feel | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/861/839/238.jpg) Indeed, a worthy ending. | ||
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
But hey, he wanted to be hokage, so he was the 2nd coolest guy. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
hahaha excellent | ||
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Lylat
France8571 Posts
I feel kind of sad Naruto ended.. I liked it a lot until timeskip and I was kind of disappointed by the end, I expected a fight between Naruto and Konohamaru like they promised they'd do early in the manga  | ||
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yevoc
United States93 Posts
On November 19 2014 05:18 Lylat wrote: I may have missed it but in the end what did Itachi give to Naruto for his future fight vs Sasuke ?? Naruto's mouth opened wide and birthed a crow which dispelled the edo tensei control Kabuto had over Itachi. That's why he was able to go on to fight Kabuto with Sasuke. Apparently that crow was intended for Sasuke's eyes, but it activated upon seeing Itachi instead, so the jutsu was "wasted." What I don't get is that the "jutsu" that Hashirama gave Sasuke never showed up, as well as the tools of the Sage of Six Paths that Tenten found after Madara spit them out. How/why did Kishi make these up and then never ended up mentioning them again, let alone using them? It's especially baffling because he even bothered to draw Tenten pouring over the tools before the infinite tsukuyomi hit, which wasn't that long ago. | ||
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