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On September 26 2013 11:40 SupaChicken wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 08:13 NewSunshine wrote:On September 26 2013 08:05 WhiteDog wrote:On September 26 2013 08:00 Forikorder wrote:On September 26 2013 07:39 WhiteDog wrote:
"I have nature chakra too, because of the seal that was supposed to be long gone but is still there, and that I can extend to my entire puppet susano'o."
Legit. hes got juugo in there with him and Juugo put some fo him on Sasukes neck to recreate Orochimaru Maybe, I read naruto like it deserve, I read one bubble out of three and laugh a lot. Seriously, the natura chakra thing came from nowhere. Nature chakra was supposed to be something really hard to master, a special feat of the shodaime, something naruto had a hard time to master - and god knows how hard it is for naruto to learn something new, considering he basically only used shadow clone and rasengan for like 400 chapters - and now, out of nowhere, sasuke has it, because well fuck the sharingan is not enough. It's only out of nowhere if you haven't been paying attention. One thing I've learned from this thread is that people tend to forget anything that happened more than one chapter ago.
fixed it for you.
It's not the logic of techniques that annoys me, but the handling of characters. In the end everyone that's not a (Ho)kage or Hokage level in power or either Sasuke, Naruto and Sakura is practically reduced to filler character by this point. To be brutally honest I had forgotten Neji existed before he heroically came back for one chapter and then immediately died.
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I will agree, and say that the handling of the characters' power is my biggest gripe with this manga. I feel like Naruto's biggest strength, the lack of "Super Saiyans", has been squandered as of late. By that I mean, the second Super Saiyans were introduced in DBZ, every single character without Saiyan blood became useless, and relegated to filler/comic relief. Naruto largely avoided this. While powerful bloodline traits exist, they "spread the wealth" so to speak in the form of kekkei genkai, and one was never really shown to be objectively better than another.
Even then, none of these were needed to be a strong character. Minato is one of the better examples of someone who achieved top tier status without any notable genetic advantages.
It was always fun to see a weaker character defeat stronger one through tactics or clever use of abilities, but the manga eventually crossed a sort of "power level event horizon" where this was no longer possible.
Virtually every member of Akatsuki was a genuinely threatening and powerful villain with flaws and believable ways to defeated. But when enemies are immune to entire schools of techniques, can create armies of Susano'o, and drop meteors out of the sky, 99% of characters are rendered impotent. And any attempt to show them otherwise would break any remaining suspension of disbelief.
Not to mention Naruto's quest to become Hokage is now just a running gag. He is literally stronger than any of the current Kage at this point.
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On September 27 2013 10:34 erin[go]bragh wrote:
I will agree, and say that the handling of the characters' power is my biggest gripe with this manga. I feel like Naruto's biggest strength, the lack of "Super Saiyans", has been squandered as of late. By that I mean, the second Super Saiyans were introduced in DBZ, every single character without Saiyan blood became useless, and relegated to filler/comic relief. Naruto largely avoided this. While powerful bloodline traits exist, they "spread the wealth" so to speak in the form of kekkei genkai, and one was never really shown to be objectively better than another.
Even then, none of these were needed to be a strong character. Minato is one of the better examples of someone who achieved top tier status without any notable genetic advantages.
It was always fun to see a weaker character defeat stronger one through tactics or clever use of abilities, but the manga eventually crossed a sort of "power level event horizon" where this was no longer possible.
Virtually every member of Akatsuki was a genuinely threatening and powerful villain with flaws and believable ways to defeated. But when enemies are immune to entire schools of techniques, can create armies of Susano'o, and drop meteors out of the sky, 99% of characters are rendered impotent. And any attempt to show them otherwise would break any remaining suspension of disbelief.
Not to mention Naruto's quest to become Hokage is now just a running gag. He is literally stronger than any of the current Kage at this point.
I still get the feeling that Itachi and Pain are some of the strongest characters. Tobi doesn't seem like he can use almighty push (or at least not well) and Itachi had pretty much the strongest Susano'o ever with the best shield and an unstoppable sword. But then again, they at least had weaknesses which made them not OP (Itachi already dying, Pain having his best ability down/being skinny as fuck/blowing up the village beforehand/facing Itachi).
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On September 27 2013 12:41 Dark_Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 10:34 erin[go]bragh wrote:
I will agree, and say that the handling of the characters' power is my biggest gripe with this manga. I feel like Naruto's biggest strength, the lack of "Super Saiyans", has been squandered as of late. By that I mean, the second Super Saiyans were introduced in DBZ, every single character without Saiyan blood became useless, and relegated to filler/comic relief. Naruto largely avoided this. While powerful bloodline traits exist, they "spread the wealth" so to speak in the form of kekkei genkai, and one was never really shown to be objectively better than another.
Even then, none of these were needed to be a strong character. Minato is one of the better examples of someone who achieved top tier status without any notable genetic advantages.
It was always fun to see a weaker character defeat stronger one through tactics or clever use of abilities, but the manga eventually crossed a sort of "power level event horizon" where this was no longer possible.
Virtually every member of Akatsuki was a genuinely threatening and powerful villain with flaws and believable ways to defeated. But when enemies are immune to entire schools of techniques, can create armies of Susano'o, and drop meteors out of the sky, 99% of characters are rendered impotent. And any attempt to show them otherwise would break any remaining suspension of disbelief.
Not to mention Naruto's quest to become Hokage is now just a running gag. He is literally stronger than any of the current Kage at this point. I still get the feeling that Itachi and Pain are some of the strongest characters. Tobi doesn't seem like he can use almighty push (or at least not well) and Itachi had pretty much the strongest Susano'o ever with the best shield and an unstoppable sword. But then again, they at least had weaknesses which made them not OP (Itachi already dying, Pain having his best ability down/being skinny as fuck/blowing up the village beforehand/facing Itachi).
fighting Itachi is a pretty big weakness
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Talking about Akatsuki members, I feel Kakuzu was pretty bullshit though.
5 Hearts, can use all 5 elements, beaten not by cleverness, but instead beaten by a bigger stick(Rasenshuriken).
Feels like he was extra bullshit to make Rasenshuriken look more awesome.
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On September 27 2013 22:14 Mataza wrote:
Talking about Akatsuki members, I feel Kakuzu was pretty bullshit though.
5 Hearts, can use all 5 elements, beaten not by cleverness, but instead beaten by a bigger stick(Rasenshuriken).
Feels like he was extra bullshit to make Rasenshuriken look more awesome.
he lsot one heart due to cleverness....
and his partner got killed by cleverness...
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On September 27 2013 22:14 Mataza wrote:
Talking about Akatsuki members, I feel Kakuzu was pretty bullshit though.
5 Hearts, can use all 5 elements, beaten not by cleverness, but instead beaten by a bigger stick(Rasenshuriken).
Feels like he was extra bullshit to make Rasenshuriken look more awesome.
Kakashi really did most of the leg work there. Naruto just came in at the end and finished him off.
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But Kakashi was out of Chakra after killing one heart, having only killed 1 third of Kakuzu.
The manga basically went "Cleverness isn't enough anymore, need a bigger kamehameha now"
That's why I brought that exact fight up. It was a turning point.
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On September 29 2013 06:22 Mataza wrote:
But Kakashi was out of Chakra after killing one heart, having only killed 1 third of Kakuzu.
The manga basically went "Cleverness isn't enough anymore, need a bigger kamehameha now"
That's why I brought that exact fight up. It was a turning point.
If that's the case and I don't disagree, it was mostly Kishi's fault for making the characters more OP as the story went on. I mean ya, the story became more exciting when the characters became really powerful but then they also became really clever to the point where cleverness doesn't work anymore since they would be able to tell that something was going to happen. That doesn't take into account the fact that some characters can't die(forgot name) rofl.
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On September 27 2013 10:34 erin[go]bragh wrote:
I will agree, and say that the handling of the characters' power is my biggest gripe with this manga. I feel like Naruto's biggest strength, the lack of "Super Saiyans", has been squandered as of late. By that I mean, the second Super Saiyans were introduced in DBZ, every single character without Saiyan blood became useless, and relegated to filler/comic relief. Naruto largely avoided this. While powerful bloodline traits exist, they "spread the wealth" so to speak in the form of kekkei genkai, and one was never really shown to be objectively better than another.
Even then, none of these were needed to be a strong character. Minato is one of the better examples of someone who achieved top tier status without any notable genetic advantages.
It was always fun to see a weaker character defeat stronger one through tactics or clever use of abilities, but the manga eventually crossed a sort of "power level event horizon" where this was no longer possible.
Virtually every member of Akatsuki was a genuinely threatening and powerful villain with flaws and believable ways to defeated. But when enemies are immune to entire schools of techniques, can create armies of Susano'o, and drop meteors out of the sky, 99% of characters are rendered impotent. And any attempt to show them otherwise would break any remaining suspension of disbelief.
Not to mention Naruto's quest to become Hokage is now just a running gag. He is literally stronger than any of the current Kage at this point.
Yeah, saying that Minato has no genetic advantages is just weird. Being most likely a straight down inheritor of the sage of the six paths and all. Yeah, the Namikaze clan is a direct offshoot of the Senjus. You couldnt have more of an advantage if you got to pick. Or Naruto and Sasuke had a baby.
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On September 29 2013 06:47 h41fgod wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 10:34 erin[go]bragh wrote:
I will agree, and say that the handling of the characters' power is my biggest gripe with this manga. I feel like Naruto's biggest strength, the lack of "Super Saiyans", has been squandered as of late. By that I mean, the second Super Saiyans were introduced in DBZ, every single character without Saiyan blood became useless, and relegated to filler/comic relief. Naruto largely avoided this. While powerful bloodline traits exist, they "spread the wealth" so to speak in the form of kekkei genkai, and one was never really shown to be objectively better than another.
Even then, none of these were needed to be a strong character. Minato is one of the better examples of someone who achieved top tier status without any notable genetic advantages.
It was always fun to see a weaker character defeat stronger one through tactics or clever use of abilities, but the manga eventually crossed a sort of "power level event horizon" where this was no longer possible.
Virtually every member of Akatsuki was a genuinely threatening and powerful villain with flaws and believable ways to defeated. But when enemies are immune to entire schools of techniques, can create armies of Susano'o, and drop meteors out of the sky, 99% of characters are rendered impotent. And any attempt to show them otherwise would break any remaining suspension of disbelief.
Not to mention Naruto's quest to become Hokage is now just a running gag. He is literally stronger than any of the current Kage at this point. Yeah, saying that Minato has no genetic advantages is just weird. Being most likely a straight down inheritor of the sage of the six paths and all. Yeah, the Namikaze clan is a direct offshoot of the Senjus. You couldnt have more of an advantage if you got to pick. Or Naruto and Sasuke had a baby.
Don't be facetious. I was obviously referring to kekkei genkai. The Naruto universe is full of characters who rely heavily on their bloodlines, whether its dojutsu or unique nature transformations. By comparison Minato's fighting style revolved around things that had no genetic prerequisites; just hard word and dedication.
And what brings you to think that he's "most likely a straight down inheritor" of the SotSP? Because the tailed beasts think his son is the reincarnation? The Uchiha and the Senjus are of course the closest inheritors of his genes, but even in the event the Namikaze clan is a Senju offshoot (though I haven't seen evidence of this?), Minato was never really shown to posses their attributes.
What I'm getting at here is that he is a self made man. No one ever said "Oh shit, the Namikazes are coming!" But they sure as hell said "Oh shit, Minato is coming!"
On September 29 2013 06:40 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 06:22 Mataza wrote:
But Kakashi was out of Chakra after killing one heart, having only killed 1 third of Kakuzu.
The manga basically went "Cleverness isn't enough anymore, need a bigger kamehameha now"
That's why I brought that exact fight up. It was a turning point. If that's the case and I don't disagree, it was mostly Kishi's fault for making the characters more OP as the story went on. I mean ya, the story became more exciting when the characters became really powerful but then they also became really clever to the point where cleverness doesn't work anymore since they would be able to tell that something was going to happen. That doesn't take into account the fact that some characters can't die(forgot name) rofl.
It's actually kind of funny because originally I thought he handled the "op jutsu" thing pretty well. You had certain abilities that were extremely OP, but had huge detrimental side effects. Amaterasu is another example of an absolutely OP technique that was limited in it's use because it literally made you go blind. Even Rasenshuriken in its original iteration was a double edged sword because it would eventually damage the chakra points in Naruto's hands to the point of being useless.
This was a cool place to be in because characters had their trump cards to escape bleak situations, but you couldn't just spam them willy nilly. But then of course things like EMS and Sage mode threw those reservations out the window. 
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On September 29 2013 06:47 h41fgod wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 10:34 erin[go]bragh wrote:
I will agree, and say that the handling of the characters' power is my biggest gripe with this manga. I feel like Naruto's biggest strength, the lack of "Super Saiyans", has been squandered as of late. By that I mean, the second Super Saiyans were introduced in DBZ, every single character without Saiyan blood became useless, and relegated to filler/comic relief. Naruto largely avoided this. While powerful bloodline traits exist, they "spread the wealth" so to speak in the form of kekkei genkai, and one was never really shown to be objectively better than another.
Even then, none of these were needed to be a strong character. Minato is one of the better examples of someone who achieved top tier status without any notable genetic advantages.
It was always fun to see a weaker character defeat stronger one through tactics or clever use of abilities, but the manga eventually crossed a sort of "power level event horizon" where this was no longer possible.
Virtually every member of Akatsuki was a genuinely threatening and powerful villain with flaws and believable ways to defeated. But when enemies are immune to entire schools of techniques, can create armies of Susano'o, and drop meteors out of the sky, 99% of characters are rendered impotent. And any attempt to show them otherwise would break any remaining suspension of disbelief.
Not to mention Naruto's quest to become Hokage is now just a running gag. He is literally stronger than any of the current Kage at this point. Yeah, saying that Minato has no genetic advantages is just weird. Being most likely a straight down inheritor of the sage of the six paths and all. Yeah, the Namikaze clan is a direct offshoot of the Senjus. You couldnt have more of an advantage if you got to pick. Or Naruto and Sasuke had a baby.
Uzumaki, Kushina's clan, is related to Senjuu. I don't remember reading anything about Namikaze clan being special.
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On September 27 2013 04:44 kornetka wrote:I'm eagelry waiting for slug-sage mode of Sakura.
Slimy, yet sexy.
It has to be a sexy slug. ;-)
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Yeah, saying that Minato has no genetic advantages is just weird. Being most likely a straight down inheritor of the sage of the six paths and all. Yeah, the Namikaze clan is a direct offshoot of the Senjus. You couldnt have more of an advantage if you got to pick. Or Naruto and Sasuke had a baby.
if i remember right Kushina was a descendant of the S06P, Minato doesnt seemt to ahve any history worth mentioning
besides look at Tsunade, by this generation that bloods way too thin to be worth mentioning
If that's the case and I don't disagree, it was mostly Kishi's fault for making the characters more OP as the story went on. I mean ya, the story became more exciting when the characters became really powerful but then they also became really clever to the point where cleverness doesn't work anymore since they would be able to tell that something was going to happen. That doesn't take into account the fact that some characters can't die(forgot name) rofl.
kinda hard not to do this in a battle manga, the new villain has to be tougher then the last one and the hero has to get stronger to beat him so over time eventually its all about strength and it becomes harder to keep side characters as strong as the main one
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On September 29 2013 07:12 erin[go]bragh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 06:47 h41fgod wrote:On September 27 2013 10:34 erin[go]bragh wrote:
I will agree, and say that the handling of the characters' power is my biggest gripe with this manga. I feel like Naruto's biggest strength, the lack of "Super Saiyans", has been squandered as of late. By that I mean, the second Super Saiyans were introduced in DBZ, every single character without Saiyan blood became useless, and relegated to filler/comic relief. Naruto largely avoided this. While powerful bloodline traits exist, they "spread the wealth" so to speak in the form of kekkei genkai, and one was never really shown to be objectively better than another.
Even then, none of these were needed to be a strong character. Minato is one of the better examples of someone who achieved top tier status without any notable genetic advantages.
It was always fun to see a weaker character defeat stronger one through tactics or clever use of abilities, but the manga eventually crossed a sort of "power level event horizon" where this was no longer possible.
Virtually every member of Akatsuki was a genuinely threatening and powerful villain with flaws and believable ways to defeated. But when enemies are immune to entire schools of techniques, can create armies of Susano'o, and drop meteors out of the sky, 99% of characters are rendered impotent. And any attempt to show them otherwise would break any remaining suspension of disbelief.
Not to mention Naruto's quest to become Hokage is now just a running gag. He is literally stronger than any of the current Kage at this point. Yeah, saying that Minato has no genetic advantages is just weird. Being most likely a straight down inheritor of the sage of the six paths and all. Yeah, the Namikaze clan is a direct offshoot of the Senjus. You couldnt have more of an advantage if you got to pick. Or Naruto and Sasuke had a baby. Don't be facetious. I was obviously referring to kekkei genkai. The Naruto universe is full of characters who rely heavily on their bloodlines, whether its dojutsu or unique nature transformations. By comparison Minato's fighting style revolved around things that had no genetic prerequisites; just hard word and dedication. And what brings you to think that he's "most likely a straight down inheritor" of the SotSP? Because the tailed beasts think his son is the reincarnation? The Uchiha and the Senjus are of course the closest inheritors of his genes, but even in the event the Namikaze clan is a Senju offshoot (though I haven't seen evidence of this?), Minato was never really shown to posses their attributes. What I'm getting at here is that he is a self made man. No one ever said "Oh shit, the Namikazes are coming!" But they sure as hell said "Oh shit, Minato is coming!" Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 06:40 BigFan wrote:On September 29 2013 06:22 Mataza wrote:
But Kakashi was out of Chakra after killing one heart, having only killed 1 third of Kakuzu.
The manga basically went "Cleverness isn't enough anymore, need a bigger kamehameha now"
That's why I brought that exact fight up. It was a turning point. If that's the case and I don't disagree, it was mostly Kishi's fault for making the characters more OP as the story went on. I mean ya, the story became more exciting when the characters became really powerful but then they also became really clever to the point where cleverness doesn't work anymore since they would be able to tell that something was going to happen. That doesn't take into account the fact that some characters can't die(forgot name) rofl. It's actually kind of funny because originally I thought he handled the "op jutsu" thing pretty well. You had certain abilities that were extremely OP, but had huge detrimental side effects. Amaterasu is another example of an absolutely OP technique that was limited in it's use because it literally made you go blind. Even Rasenshuriken in its original iteration was a double edged sword because it would eventually damage the chakra points in Naruto's hands to the point of being useless. This was a cool place to be in because characters had their trump cards to escape bleak situations, but you couldn't just spam them willy nilly. But then of course things like EMS and Sage mode threw those reservations out the window.
ya, originally, he did a great job with it. Even the guy who can't die can still be beaten. I think he should've continued with OP characters but gave them all weaknesses instead of having OP abilities and no weaknesses. It's like having a ht who can storm indefinitely lol(without the slow speed and no attack of their XD).
On September 29 2013 12:39 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +
Yeah, saying that Minato has no genetic advantages is just weird. Being most likely a straight down inheritor of the sage of the six paths and all. Yeah, the Namikaze clan is a direct offshoot of the Senjus. You couldnt have more of an advantage if you got to pick. Or Naruto and Sasuke had a baby.
if i remember right Kushina was a descendant of the S06P, Minato doesnt seemt to ahve any history worth mentioning besides look at Tsunade, by this generation that bloods way too thin to be worth mentioning Show nested quote +
If that's the case and I don't disagree, it was mostly Kishi's fault for making the characters more OP as the story went on. I mean ya, the story became more exciting when the characters became really powerful but then they also became really clever to the point where cleverness doesn't work anymore since they would be able to tell that something was going to happen. That doesn't take into account the fact that some characters can't die(forgot name) rofl.
kinda hard not to do this in a battle manga, the new villain has to be tougher then the last one and the hero has to get stronger to beat him so over time eventually its all about strength and it becomes harder to keep side characters as strong as the main one
Not disagreeing with you but I feel like he could've done a much better job. Some of his akatsuki members were really well done with their weaknesses and all then he turned a new leaf(pun intended). The new villains can get tougher but give them a weakness! If I recall correctly, Shikamaru was the one who defeated Hidan even though 'he couldn't die' lol. Either way, keep OP characters in but make it possible to defeat them with teamwork like it was before rasenshuriken came into the picture.
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Not disagreeing with you but I feel like he could've done a much better job. Some of his akatsuki members were really well done with their weaknesses and all then he turned a new leaf(pun intended). The new villains can get tougher but give them a weakness! If I recall correctly, Shikamaru was the one who defeated Hidan even though 'he couldn't die' lol. Either way, keep OP characters in but make it possible to defeat them with teamwork like it was before rasenshuriken came into the picture.
TBH i hate teamwork if youve read area D youll understand i find it extremely lame when the main character only wins due to the support from a bunch of side characters
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We already had teamwork - Rasen Shuriken + Amaterasu + 2 Hiraishin jutsu
What more do you want? Seriously, that was actually pretty sick, any more than that would just be fucking cheesy.
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should every fight be resolved with cleverness
are we allowed 0 fights where it's a battle between raw power
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On September 29 2013 15:41 Let it Raine wrote:
should every fight be resolved with cleverness
are we allowed 0 fights where it's a battle between raw power
That's actually what I like the most about the old fight between Hashirama and Madara, I hope the anime adaptation of it gets the justice it deserves. Those two were in a class of their own, clashing head on with straight up power, and nothing else. Not to say the way they used their powers wasn't clever though (Susano'o as armor for the Nine Tails). We know Kishi is capable of pulling off the clever tactical scenarios, that was basically everything pre-Shipuuden, now we get the red meat, per se, where we can put our brains down for a bit and just sit in awe. I'm enjoying it, though I can't speak for anyone else. The current conflict with Obito is meshing the two together though, it would seem.
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On September 29 2013 13:15 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 07:12 erin[go]bragh wrote:On September 29 2013 06:47 h41fgod wrote:On September 27 2013 10:34 erin[go]bragh wrote:
I will agree, and say that the handling of the characters' power is my biggest gripe with this manga. I feel like Naruto's biggest strength, the lack of "Super Saiyans", has been squandered as of late. By that I mean, the second Super Saiyans were introduced in DBZ, every single character without Saiyan blood became useless, and relegated to filler/comic relief. Naruto largely avoided this. While powerful bloodline traits exist, they "spread the wealth" so to speak in the form of kekkei genkai, and one was never really shown to be objectively better than another.
Even then, none of these were needed to be a strong character. Minato is one of the better examples of someone who achieved top tier status without any notable genetic advantages.
It was always fun to see a weaker character defeat stronger one through tactics or clever use of abilities, but the manga eventually crossed a sort of "power level event horizon" where this was no longer possible.
Virtually every member of Akatsuki was a genuinely threatening and powerful villain with flaws and believable ways to defeated. But when enemies are immune to entire schools of techniques, can create armies of Susano'o, and drop meteors out of the sky, 99% of characters are rendered impotent. And any attempt to show them otherwise would break any remaining suspension of disbelief.
Not to mention Naruto's quest to become Hokage is now just a running gag. He is literally stronger than any of the current Kage at this point. Yeah, saying that Minato has no genetic advantages is just weird. Being most likely a straight down inheritor of the sage of the six paths and all. Yeah, the Namikaze clan is a direct offshoot of the Senjus. You couldnt have more of an advantage if you got to pick. Or Naruto and Sasuke had a baby. Don't be facetious. I was obviously referring to kekkei genkai. The Naruto universe is full of characters who rely heavily on their bloodlines, whether its dojutsu or unique nature transformations. By comparison Minato's fighting style revolved around things that had no genetic prerequisites; just hard word and dedication. And what brings you to think that he's "most likely a straight down inheritor" of the SotSP? Because the tailed beasts think his son is the reincarnation? The Uchiha and the Senjus are of course the closest inheritors of his genes, but even in the event the Namikaze clan is a Senju offshoot (though I haven't seen evidence of this?), Minato was never really shown to posses their attributes. What I'm getting at here is that he is a self made man. No one ever said "Oh shit, the Namikazes are coming!" But they sure as hell said "Oh shit, Minato is coming!" On September 29 2013 06:40 BigFan wrote:On September 29 2013 06:22 Mataza wrote:
But Kakashi was out of Chakra after killing one heart, having only killed 1 third of Kakuzu.
The manga basically went "Cleverness isn't enough anymore, need a bigger kamehameha now"
That's why I brought that exact fight up. It was a turning point. If that's the case and I don't disagree, it was mostly Kishi's fault for making the characters more OP as the story went on. I mean ya, the story became more exciting when the characters became really powerful but then they also became really clever to the point where cleverness doesn't work anymore since they would be able to tell that something was going to happen. That doesn't take into account the fact that some characters can't die(forgot name) rofl. It's actually kind of funny because originally I thought he handled the "op jutsu" thing pretty well. You had certain abilities that were extremely OP, but had huge detrimental side effects. Amaterasu is another example of an absolutely OP technique that was limited in it's use because it literally made you go blind. Even Rasenshuriken in its original iteration was a double edged sword because it would eventually damage the chakra points in Naruto's hands to the point of being useless. This was a cool place to be in because characters had their trump cards to escape bleak situations, but you couldn't just spam them willy nilly. But then of course things like EMS and Sage mode threw those reservations out the window. ya, originally, he did a great job with it. Even the guy who can't die can still be beaten. I think he should've continued with OP characters but gave them all weaknesses instead of having OP abilities and no weaknesses. It's like having a ht who can storm indefinitely lol(without the slow speed and no attack of their XD). Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 12:39 Forikorder wrote:
Yeah, saying that Minato has no genetic advantages is just weird. Being most likely a straight down inheritor of the sage of the six paths and all. Yeah, the Namikaze clan is a direct offshoot of the Senjus. You couldnt have more of an advantage if you got to pick. Or Naruto and Sasuke had a baby.
if i remember right Kushina was a descendant of the S06P, Minato doesnt seemt to ahve any history worth mentioning besides look at Tsunade, by this generation that bloods way too thin to be worth mentioning
If that's the case and I don't disagree, it was mostly Kishi's fault for making the characters more OP as the story went on. I mean ya, the story became more exciting when the characters became really powerful but then they also became really clever to the point where cleverness doesn't work anymore since they would be able to tell that something was going to happen. That doesn't take into account the fact that some characters can't die(forgot name) rofl.
kinda hard not to do this in a battle manga, the new villain has to be tougher then the last one and the hero has to get stronger to beat him so over time eventually its all about strength and it becomes harder to keep side characters as strong as the main one Not disagreeing with you but I feel like he could've done a much better job. Some of his akatsuki members were really well done with their weaknesses and all then he turned a new leaf(pun intended). The new villains can get tougher but give them a weakness! If I recall correctly, Shikamaru was the one who defeated Hidan even though 'he couldn't die' lol. Either way, keep OP characters in but make it possible to defeat them with teamwork like it was before rasenshuriken came into the picture.
See, the manga goes on for about 10 years or so by now. And what Kishi did in Naruto and a lot of Shipuuden was really clever, but you have to work such things out, have to think about that a lot. Plus the fact that the charakters have to get stronger. i think it is just human that at one point you have less ideas how to come up with such clever tactics. Especially when you have to make one manga per week. If i think about that Kishi did a really really good job. Even though there are some quite dumb jutsus (Meteroites f.e.) he keeps me extremely entertainend and still comes up with some sneaky things. The Manga is not as good as it was, but still very good. The best for me by far, even though that is debatable.
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