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totally forgot about this without internet and only now read the chapter. So why are they running into that huge ballsack? I mean apparently the juubi doesn't care about being inside that blast but that does look pretty painful if a human being would be in there while it fires another of those blasts.
When they did that wall I thought "okay, hokages are going to be useless while doing that wall but that's great, the rest can focus on madara now because that big thing is basicly 'disabled'. Everything it does will stay inside that wall, so they're splitting up their opponents to deal with them one by one. That's actually nice"
And then they told them to run in and I was like wtf? Why would you do that, just imagine another blast in there while people are in there, because as we've already seen the juubi's not caring one bit about being hit by his own attack.
Maybe I'm missing something but it felt really counterintuitive to create a wall that effectly protects you from anything the juubi does (for the time being?) and then running in there. Good job dude, might have as well just skipped the wall to begin with.
The chapter was nice except for that though.
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Yeah, the wall to fight the jyuubi was rather bizarre. I think that kishi wants a hashi/madara rematch tho so it kind of makes sense to seperate the battlefields for story purpose, but not for tactics.
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The jyuubi almost certainly can't send out blast after blast with no breaks in between. Even if it could, what are the ninjas supposed to do, just give up? Their best bet is to send their offensive teams to destroy the monster before it shoots again, while at the same time shielding the rest of the army with a barrier.
Also, complaining about the timing of Sakura's chakra store is stupid. It would have seemed like convenient timing no matter when it happened. More importantly, the technique works by storing up chakra and choosing when to release it. She's been storing it for "over" three years, not "exactly" three years.
Finally, the Madara/First Hokage fight is won't happen until the jyuubi is defeated. The Moon's Eye Plan is clearly not going to work. Right now the 10-tails is on a rampage of its own. Obito has been all-but defeated, and Madara isn't even trying to defend it. In fact, he told Hashirama's clone that he wouldn't fight until the real Hashirama is ready, which means finished with the barrier, which means 10-tails defeated.
I think some of you would enjoy the story more if you actually read it correctly.
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On June 02 2013 04:44 Courthead wrote:
The jyuubi almost certainly can't send out blast after blast with no breaks in between. Even if it could, what are the ninjas supposed to do, just give up? Their best bet is to send their offensive teams to destroy the monster before it shoots again, while at the same time shielding the rest of the army with a barrier.
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Of course it can't but if it can't there's no need for the shield which means the hokages could be doing something else right now, though you might say they can't know when it's going to be able to fire the next one, which probably is a concern.
But no they're not supposed to give up, they could however let it be in there for a while and deal with the guy who actually is still able to do something (madara, although he chooses not to right now) and going against the juubi once he's dealt with. That way they're freeing up people who have to deal with other stuff if either Madara or Obito choose to do "something", which they can't know to not be the case.
I mean the wall is going to hold another blast, if it isn't there wouldn't be a reason for the hokages to still keep it up instead of doing something else (let the 4th deal with the blasts like with the one before the ballsack?) so I just don't see a reason why they should go in there while it's perfectly disabled and can't do a thing except for madara supposed to be the endboss.
The whole reason why people have been saying there's no way they stand a chance always has been that they shouldn't be able to deal with all 3 at the same time. Kakashi got Obito'ed which helps and reduces it to Madara+Juubi and now they got the perfect chance, they have it split up 1+1+1 and could focus everything on one guy while completly ignoring the rest without downsides (well, Kakashi might be in trouble, so not completly without downsides :p). Once he's dealt with do the same with the next guy. Instead they're choosing to split up their own forces going for the thing that is perfectly taken out of the fight as of now anyways.
///Edit: Oh actually forget about that. I thought the juubi's already powered up but it'd still get more powerful with more transformations, so I guess they have to do it this way like the 8-tails said. My bad.
Still feels weird with the wall though. They could have the kages do something offensive rather than them being defensive under the assumption that it can't fire another blast for a while. Not because they know that but because they have to assume it at this point with half of their forces in there anyways.
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On June 02 2013 04:02 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 23:27 sumsaR wrote:On May 31 2013 22:51 Mataza wrote:On May 31 2013 13:15 BlackPaladin wrote:
And supposedly this isn't even his final form. Is his final form just a giant penis with a nuttsack attached, and the 10 tails are just hair on his sack?
When did this manga go from an action to a comedy? It's like the star wars prequals lol. All I can think of is directly after timeskip when Team Gai fought their own clones. Was that anime and not manga perhaps? I can't remember something like that. My mistake then. Then Rock Lee and Ten Ten had no fights or meaningful appearances after timeskip? And no, Rock Lee being assigned a commanding position in the united army is in itself not meaningful to me. I faintly remember him appearing during the kage council thing in the iron country(which gave me more of snowy/winter impression). If Kishi is determined to give us fanservice, I demand fanservice of all minor teams equally. Rock Lee and Ten Ten were left out of last chapter.
They are 1 year older. Not same group.
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On June 02 2013 05:03 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 04:44 Courthead wrote:
The jyuubi almost certainly can't send out blast after blast with no breaks in between. Even if it could, what are the ninjas supposed to do, just give up? Their best bet is to send their offensive teams to destroy the monster before it shoots again, while at the same time shielding the rest of the army with a barrier.
[...] Of course it can't but if it can't there's no need for the shield which means the hokages could be doing something else right now, though you might say they can't know when it's going to be able to fire the next one, which probably is a concern. But no they're not supposed to give up, they could however let it be in there for a while and deal with the guy who actually is still able to do something (madara, although he chooses not to right now) and going against the juubi once he's dealt with. That way they're freeing up people who have to deal with other stuff if either Madara or Obito choose to do "something", which they can't know to not be the case. I mean the wall is going to hold another blast, if it isn't there wouldn't be a reason for the hokages to still keep it up instead of doing something else (let the 4th deal with the blasts like with the one before the ballsack?) so I just don't see a reason why they should go in there while it's perfectly disabled and can't do a thing except for madara supposed to be the endboss. The whole reason why people have been saying there's no way they stand a chance always has been that they shouldn't be able to deal with all 3 at the same time. Kakashi got Obito'ed which helps and reduces it to Madara+Juubi and now they got the perfect chance, they have it split up 1+1+1 and could focus everything on one guy while completly ignoring the rest without downsides (well, Kakashi might be in trouble, so not completly without downsides :p). Once he's dealt with do the same with the next guy. Instead they're choosing to split up their own forces going for the thing that is perfectly taken out of the fight as of now anyways. ///Edit: Oh actually forget about that. I thought the juubi's already powered up but it'd still get more powerful with more transformations, so I guess they have to do it this way like the 8-tails said. My bad. Still feels weird with the wall though. They could have the kages do something offensive rather than them being defensive under the assumption that it can't fire another blast for a while. Not because they know that but because they have to assume it at this point with half of their forces in there anyways.
keep in mind that the Juubi can also be used to attack far away villages like earlier in the battle so the barrier has other benefits 
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On June 02 2013 04:02 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 23:27 sumsaR wrote:On May 31 2013 22:51 Mataza wrote:On May 31 2013 13:15 BlackPaladin wrote:
And supposedly this isn't even his final form. Is his final form just a giant penis with a nuttsack attached, and the 10 tails are just hair on his sack?
When did this manga go from an action to a comedy? It's like the star wars prequals lol. All I can think of is directly after timeskip when Team Gai fought their own clones. Was that anime and not manga perhaps? I can't remember something like that. My mistake then. Then Rock Lee and Ten Ten had no fights or meaningful appearances after timeskip? And no, Rock Lee being assigned a commanding position in the united army is in itself not meaningful to me. I faintly remember him appearing during the kage council thing in the iron country(which gave me more of snowy/winter impression). If Kishi is determined to give us fanservice, I demand fanservice of all minor teams equally. Rock Lee and Ten Ten were left out of last chapter.
They got their own few chapters in a row a while back.
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On June 02 2013 06:05 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 05:03 Toadesstern wrote:On June 02 2013 04:44 Courthead wrote:
The jyuubi almost certainly can't send out blast after blast with no breaks in between. Even if it could, what are the ninjas supposed to do, just give up? Their best bet is to send their offensive teams to destroy the monster before it shoots again, while at the same time shielding the rest of the army with a barrier.
[...] Of course it can't but if it can't there's no need for the shield which means the hokages could be doing something else right now, though you might say they can't know when it's going to be able to fire the next one, which probably is a concern. But no they're not supposed to give up, they could however let it be in there for a while and deal with the guy who actually is still able to do something (madara, although he chooses not to right now) and going against the juubi once he's dealt with. That way they're freeing up people who have to deal with other stuff if either Madara or Obito choose to do "something", which they can't know to not be the case. I mean the wall is going to hold another blast, if it isn't there wouldn't be a reason for the hokages to still keep it up instead of doing something else (let the 4th deal with the blasts like with the one before the ballsack?) so I just don't see a reason why they should go in there while it's perfectly disabled and can't do a thing except for madara supposed to be the endboss. The whole reason why people have been saying there's no way they stand a chance always has been that they shouldn't be able to deal with all 3 at the same time. Kakashi got Obito'ed which helps and reduces it to Madara+Juubi and now they got the perfect chance, they have it split up 1+1+1 and could focus everything on one guy while completly ignoring the rest without downsides (well, Kakashi might be in trouble, so not completly without downsides :p). Once he's dealt with do the same with the next guy. Instead they're choosing to split up their own forces going for the thing that is perfectly taken out of the fight as of now anyways. ///Edit: Oh actually forget about that. I thought the juubi's already powered up but it'd still get more powerful with more transformations, so I guess they have to do it this way like the 8-tails said. My bad. Still feels weird with the wall though. They could have the kages do something offensive rather than them being defensive under the assumption that it can't fire another blast for a while. Not because they know that but because they have to assume it at this point with half of their forces in there anyways. keep in mind that the Juubi can also be used to attack far away villages like earlier in the battle so the barrier has other benefits
yeah but that was kind of my point and why I said they should be going after Madara until I realized the juubi's not fully powered up yet. It can be used for that and those kind of attacks are prevented due to the wall, at the cost of everyone dying inside if it tries to attack something with another blast now that they're in there. It most certainly isn't able to dish out another of those blasts but what I'm seeing is either:- the juubi's not doing another until it's defeated in which case the wall is obsolete or
- it's doing another blast which means everyone in there dies with the wall being there OR something else, like you just mentioned, dies if the wall's not there.
Seems like lose-lose to me with the wall and a null if it's not able to shoot. Except for the innitial scenario where it caught the blast without someone being in there. I guess it does give the ninjas in there some lonely-time with the juubi so that they don't have to worry about other stuff like Madara who could try to intervene.
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On June 02 2013 06:42 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 06:05 BigFan wrote:On June 02 2013 05:03 Toadesstern wrote:On June 02 2013 04:44 Courthead wrote:
The jyuubi almost certainly can't send out blast after blast with no breaks in between. Even if it could, what are the ninjas supposed to do, just give up? Their best bet is to send their offensive teams to destroy the monster before it shoots again, while at the same time shielding the rest of the army with a barrier.
[...] Of course it can't but if it can't there's no need for the shield which means the hokages could be doing something else right now, though you might say they can't know when it's going to be able to fire the next one, which probably is a concern. But no they're not supposed to give up, they could however let it be in there for a while and deal with the guy who actually is still able to do something (madara, although he chooses not to right now) and going against the juubi once he's dealt with. That way they're freeing up people who have to deal with other stuff if either Madara or Obito choose to do "something", which they can't know to not be the case. I mean the wall is going to hold another blast, if it isn't there wouldn't be a reason for the hokages to still keep it up instead of doing something else (let the 4th deal with the blasts like with the one before the ballsack?) so I just don't see a reason why they should go in there while it's perfectly disabled and can't do a thing except for madara supposed to be the endboss. The whole reason why people have been saying there's no way they stand a chance always has been that they shouldn't be able to deal with all 3 at the same time. Kakashi got Obito'ed which helps and reduces it to Madara+Juubi and now they got the perfect chance, they have it split up 1+1+1 and could focus everything on one guy while completly ignoring the rest without downsides (well, Kakashi might be in trouble, so not completly without downsides :p). Once he's dealt with do the same with the next guy. Instead they're choosing to split up their own forces going for the thing that is perfectly taken out of the fight as of now anyways. ///Edit: Oh actually forget about that. I thought the juubi's already powered up but it'd still get more powerful with more transformations, so I guess they have to do it this way like the 8-tails said. My bad. Still feels weird with the wall though. They could have the kages do something offensive rather than them being defensive under the assumption that it can't fire another blast for a while. Not because they know that but because they have to assume it at this point with half of their forces in there anyways. keep in mind that the Juubi can also be used to attack far away villages like earlier in the battle so the barrier has other benefits yeah but that was kind of my point. It can be used for that and those kind of attacks are prevented due to the wall, at the cost of everyone dying inside if it tries to attack something with another blast now that they're in there. It most certainly isn't able to dish out another of those blasts but what I'm seeing is either: - the juubi's not doing another until it's defeated in which case the wall is obsolete or
- it's doing another blast which means everyone in there dies with the wall being there OR something else, like you just mentioned, dies if the wall's not there.
Seems like lose-lose to me with the wall and a null if it's not able to shoot. Except for the innitial scenario where it caught the blast without someone being in there. I guess it does give the ninjas in there some lonely-time with the juubi so that they don't have to worry about other stuff like Madara who could try to intervene.
Assuming that the Juubi has a shitload of chakra... Doesn't that mean it can choose to be super dope fast? This prevents it from maneuvering, keeps it surrounded, not letting it pull back and blast people directly.
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On June 02 2013 06:42 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 06:05 BigFan wrote:On June 02 2013 05:03 Toadesstern wrote:On June 02 2013 04:44 Courthead wrote:
The jyuubi almost certainly can't send out blast after blast with no breaks in between. Even if it could, what are the ninjas supposed to do, just give up? Their best bet is to send their offensive teams to destroy the monster before it shoots again, while at the same time shielding the rest of the army with a barrier.
[...] Of course it can't but if it can't there's no need for the shield which means the hokages could be doing something else right now, though you might say they can't know when it's going to be able to fire the next one, which probably is a concern. But no they're not supposed to give up, they could however let it be in there for a while and deal with the guy who actually is still able to do something (madara, although he chooses not to right now) and going against the juubi once he's dealt with. That way they're freeing up people who have to deal with other stuff if either Madara or Obito choose to do "something", which they can't know to not be the case. I mean the wall is going to hold another blast, if it isn't there wouldn't be a reason for the hokages to still keep it up instead of doing something else (let the 4th deal with the blasts like with the one before the ballsack?) so I just don't see a reason why they should go in there while it's perfectly disabled and can't do a thing except for madara supposed to be the endboss. The whole reason why people have been saying there's no way they stand a chance always has been that they shouldn't be able to deal with all 3 at the same time. Kakashi got Obito'ed which helps and reduces it to Madara+Juubi and now they got the perfect chance, they have it split up 1+1+1 and could focus everything on one guy while completly ignoring the rest without downsides (well, Kakashi might be in trouble, so not completly without downsides :p). Once he's dealt with do the same with the next guy. Instead they're choosing to split up their own forces going for the thing that is perfectly taken out of the fight as of now anyways. ///Edit: Oh actually forget about that. I thought the juubi's already powered up but it'd still get more powerful with more transformations, so I guess they have to do it this way like the 8-tails said. My bad. Still feels weird with the wall though. They could have the kages do something offensive rather than them being defensive under the assumption that it can't fire another blast for a while. Not because they know that but because they have to assume it at this point with half of their forces in there anyways. keep in mind that the Juubi can also be used to attack far away villages like earlier in the battle so the barrier has other benefits yeah but that was kind of my point and why I said they should be going after Madara until I realized the juubi's not fully powered up yet. It can be used for that and those kind of attacks are prevented due to the wall, at the cost of everyone dying inside if it tries to attack something with another blast now that they're in there. It most certainly isn't able to dish out another of those blasts but what I'm seeing is either: - the juubi's not doing another until it's defeated in which case the wall is obsolete or
- it's doing another blast which means everyone in there dies with the wall being there OR something else, like you just mentioned, dies if the wall's not there.
Seems like lose-lose to me with the wall and a null if it's not able to shoot. Except for the innitial scenario where it caught the blast without someone being in there. I guess it does give the ninjas in there some lonely-time with the juubi so that they don't have to worry about other stuff like Madara who could try to intervene.
ya I agree. I was mostly addressing your point about the previous hokages being used defensively.
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On June 02 2013 06:18 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 04:02 Mataza wrote:On May 31 2013 23:27 sumsaR wrote:On May 31 2013 22:51 Mataza wrote:On May 31 2013 13:15 BlackPaladin wrote:
And supposedly this isn't even his final form. Is his final form just a giant penis with a nuttsack attached, and the 10 tails are just hair on his sack?
When did this manga go from an action to a comedy? It's like the star wars prequals lol. All I can think of is directly after timeskip when Team Gai fought their own clones. Was that anime and not manga perhaps? I can't remember something like that. My mistake then. Then Rock Lee and Ten Ten had no fights or meaningful appearances after timeskip? And no, Rock Lee being assigned a commanding position in the united army is in itself not meaningful to me. I faintly remember him appearing during the kage council thing in the iron country(which gave me more of snowy/winter impression). If Kishi is determined to give us fanservice, I demand fanservice of all minor teams equally. Rock Lee and Ten Ten were left out of last chapter. They got their own few chapters in a row a while back. + Show Spoiler +
Which chapter is this? I've never seen it before somehow D:
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Is there no Naruto this week?
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My reaction to chapter 633: So right now we're limited more-so by pages than anything else, as it seems as though next week's will be another chapter of everyone going Big Damn Heroes on Madara and the Juubi.
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the only thing good about that chapter was the last page. Other than that, this might as well be a filler.
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This chapter could be called: "the other characters do stuff."
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What a horrible chapter. Hate this "all is well" thing, Sasuke is suddenly a good guy etc.
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On June 05 2013 18:10 hasuterrans wrote:
This chapter could be called: "the other characters do stuff."
I think a more fitting title is "Kishimoto remembers he has other characters but forgets Rock Lee anyway"
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I would have liked this chapter if I had another chapter at the same time that showed us anything usefull
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I dunno I liked the chapter. What I don't get is why they didn't do these awesomeass team combo's when naruto supercharged them all with kyuubi's chakra..
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