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Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
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Stingart
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absalom86
Iceland1770 Posts
On February 01 2013 14:04 Ario wrote: The thing that doesn't make sense to me regarding that is how easy it was to obtain. Surely the Uzumaki clan knew that the masks had summoning powers, so why would they leave something so dangerous out in the open like that? If anything, I expected them to be kept somewhere secret, like how the Uchiha clan has their secret room. It seems a little far-fetched to me that something so potent was just left there for anyone to walk by and grab. Everyone is off fighting in the war, leaving some treasures unguarded apparently. | ||
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shark.
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 01 2013 22:32 BurningSera wrote: what if some kids were playing at that area and they put on those masks. One would assume that someone would have done anything to that place since ages ago. Bad writing. Very bad. the only time that kids would be palying in the Area is after noone knows what the reaper mask is ill say it again when the Uzumaki clan was at its prime the mask would have been as well protected as the Uchiha tablet | ||
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oni_link
Germany165 Posts
On February 01 2013 15:45 b3n3tt3 wrote: Question: Why did kishi have one extra zetsu left instead of just exactly 5? Answer: One more edo tensei. (of rin) I suppose knowing oro he still has some kind of unknown trump card in the form of a summon or rinnegan activation if he can pull a sharingan now that he has senju cells. I'm sure he's collected some. BTW why the fuck is madara in his prime? + Show Spoiler + Then dust and ash encase the sacrifice's body, giving them the same appearance that the reincarnated had at the time of their death. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning:_Impure_World_Reincarnation somehwere in the manga kabuto says that he empowered madaras edo tensei | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6326 Posts
somehwere in the manga kabuto says that he empowered madaras edo tensei Indeed, he said he made modifications which means he made him younger. On February 02 2013 00:35 shark. wrote: I think the weirdest thing about the Uzumaki shrine is that the Uzumaki clan are not even from Konoha, so why would their secret shrine be placed outside Konoha? We know that the uzumaki and senju were very close so they might have thought it would be safer near konoha than in their own village. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
Indeed, he said he made modifications which means he made him younger. We know that the uzumaki and senju were very close so they might have thought it would be safer near konoha than in their own village. evidently they were right since the Uzumaki village was completely wiped out while the shrine still actually stands plus if its in Konoha then tehy get to borrow Konohas defenses too, if it wasnt for the war Oro probably couldnt waltz in so easily | ||
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Ario
Canada73 Posts
On February 01 2013 14:52 Forikorder wrote: pwerful weapon? how you figure that? did you see Minato put on the mask? did you see the Third put on the mask? the mask probably cant be used to perform the reaper death seal how it was created well probably never know (if the Uzumaki clan ever made it) but if anyone managed to get it and wear it all that will happen is theyll freak out and more likely then not wind up as dead as Orochimarus discarded corpse and the mask probably was well protected its jsut since all its protecters died and noone knew it was something of value it was left to rot when the Uzumaki clan was at its best it was probably impossible for anyone to even enter the shrine without there permission (or enough force) and the rest of the masks are probably traps most deadly To our knowledge, the mask has no other purpose other than undoing what was sealed in the reaper. There would be no reason for the 4th or 3rd to want to use it. However, there is plenty of reason for them to want to protect something that could undo the seal (i.e. what just happened in this chapter), which is why I would have expected the mask to have much stronger protection. As you said, the mask allows the reaper to possess people and probably kills them too. So unless if there was some magical barrier protecting the shrine to stop anyone from entering (which would be kind of suspicious), they would be unnecessarily running a risk of some kids playing in there and putting on 1 of the masks by accident. Regardless of how well protected it is, there is absolutely no reason for it to be somewhere out in the open like that. If you want to protect something you keep it hidden somewhere, not leave it hanging on a wall. It's possible that every other mask is cursed, but how I interpreted that part was that there is likely more than one mask there that has powers. Most likely some of the masks were cursed to be used as a trap, but I think its also possible that some of the other masks could summon other things as well. It's also kind of weird how the only people who supposedly knew about this mask was the Uzumaki clan (probably only a few people higher up in the clan) and Orochimaru. Considering how close they are with the senju and in particular the 4th, I would be surprised that they didn't tell either the 3rd or 4th hokage as a fail safe. We don't know yet how important this chapter will be in the grand scheme of things, but really this seemed borderline deus ex machina to me. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 02 2013 03:20 Ario wrote: To our knowledge, the mask has no other purpose other than undoing what was sealed in the reaper. There would be no reason for the 4th or 3rd to want to use it. However, there is plenty of reason for them to want to protect something that could undo the seal (i.e. what just happened in this chapter), which is why I would have expected the mask to have much stronger protection. As you said, the mask allows the reaper to possess people and probably kills them too. So unless if there was some magical barrier protecting the shrine to stop anyone from entering (which would be kind of suspicious), they would be unnecessarily running a risk of some kids playing in there and putting on 1 of the masks by accident. Regardless of how well protected it is, there is absolutely no reason for it to be somewhere out in the open like that. If you want to protect something you keep it hidden somewhere, not leave it hanging on a wall. It's possible that every other mask is cursed, but how I interpreted that part was that there is likely more than one mask there that has powers. Most likely some of the masks were cursed to be used as a trap, but I think its also possible that some of the other masks could summon other things as well. It's also kind of weird how the only people who supposedly knew about this mask was the Uzumaki clan (probably only a few people higher up in the clan) and Orochimaru. Considering how close they are with the senju and in particular the 4th, I would be surprised that they didn't tell either the 3rd or 4th hokage as a fail safe. We don't know yet how important this chapter will be in the grand scheme of things, but really this seemed borderline deus ex machina to me. evidently the Uzumaki clan refused to share its deepest secrets so easily huh i think by the time the 4th came around the uzumakis were already destroyed and Kushina evidently didnt know about the mask i see no reason to assume that they just never had the chance to pass on the secret of the mask before they got wiped out it was probably one of those things only the Kage was told who passed the info down to the next kage but got killed before he could | ||
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Courthead
United States246 Posts
We could also ask: What are the other use-cases of the mask? Maybe there was some old Uzumaki ritual that involved letting oneself be possessed by the Shinigami, and it they made very common use of the mask? It's not necessarily the case that the only reason to do such a thing would be to slice open its belly. And even if that's not true, it's not necessarily the case that the things stored inside the Shinigami's belly were always so evil that the mask capable of releasing them need to be so guarded. And, most important of all, how many people even knew about this technique? It seems very obvious that this was a technique that had been almost completely forgotten over the years, long before the Third and Fourth Hokages knew about it. In such a case, it wouldn't be implausible for the mask to be completely unguarded, and treated merely as some old relic. Long-story short, we need to stop making assumptions that things don't make sense when we don't have nearly enough information to come to that conclusion yet. | ||
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KazeHydra
Japan2788 Posts
On February 02 2013 05:27 Courthead wrote: We still don't know 100% about what was required to bring out the Shinigami. Sure, you had to pick the correct mask. But how did they find that hut in the first place? How did they pick the correct mask? What would be the consequences of choosing an incorrect mask? What was the significance of them going down into the Uchiha shrine? What kind of jutsu was needed to open that door? What was written on the stone tablet down there? How many ninjas besides Orochimaru, exactly, could survive slicing open their own stomachs? We could also ask: What are the other use-cases of the mask? Maybe there was some old Uzumaki ritual that involved letting oneself be possessed by the Shinigami, and it they made very common use of the mask? It's not necessarily the case that the only reason to do such a thing would be to slice open its belly. And even if that's not true, it's not necessarily the case that the things stored inside the Shinigami's belly were always so evil that the mask capable of releasing them need to be so guarded. And, most important of all, how many people even knew about this technique? It seems very obvious that this was a technique that had been almost completely forgotten over the years, long before the Third and Fourth Hokages knew about it. In such a case, it wouldn't be implausible for the mask to be completely unguarded, and treated merely as some old relic. Long-story short, we need to stop making assumptions that things don't make sense when we don't have nearly enough information to come to that conclusion yet. lol I hate on Naruto a lot, but most of these questions are either answered if you actually read the manga or are really pointless questions. The exact number of ninjas who can survive having their stomachs sliced open? Yes, this is very important to the plot and a change of even one integer would have drastic consequences! | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On February 02 2013 01:59 Forikorder wrote: evidently they were right since the Uzumaki village was completely wiped out while the shrine still actually stands plus if its in Konoha then tehy get to borrow Konohas defenses too, if it wasnt for the war Oro probably couldnt waltz in so easily The problem is that the shrine isn't actually in Konoha. From what I understand, it's a badly maintained site that is near but outside Konoha. And if so, wouldn't Sarutobi, Tsunade or one of the advisers decide to move those important artifacts inside Konoha after the shrine got destroyed? | ||
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Courthead
United States246 Posts
On February 02 2013 05:48 KazeHydra wrote: lol I hate on Naruto a lot, but most of these questions are either answered if you actually read the manga... Really? Then answer them. On February 02 2013 05:48 KazeHydra wrote: ...or are really pointless questions. The exact number of ninjas who can survive having their stomachs sliced open? Yes, this is very important to the plot and a change of even one integer would have drastic consequences! Who said anything about this having drastic consequences? The point is that it's evidence for why the mask wouldn't need to be under heavy security, because almost nobody could survive using it the way that Orochimaru did. And anyone who could survive that is probably strong enough to beat the shit out of some generic guards, anyway. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
On February 02 2013 06:02 Courthead wrote: Really? Then answer them. Who said anything about this having drastic consequences? The point is that it's evidence for why the mask wouldn't need to be under heavy security, because almost nobody could survive using it the way that Orochimaru did. And anyone who could survive that is probably strong enough to beat the shit out of some generic guards, anyway. It's called sarcasm ffs | ||
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Ario
Canada73 Posts
On February 02 2013 06:02 Courthead wrote: Really? Then answer them. Who said anything about this having drastic consequences? The point is that it's evidence for why the mask wouldn't need to be under heavy security, because almost nobody could survive using it the way that Orochimaru did. And anyone who could survive that is probably strong enough to beat the shit out of some generic guards, anyway. That was kind of my point. If the mask can kill people just by them wearing it, why would the Uzumaki clan keep it out in the open in their temple? Their clan definitely was big in the past, and I'm pretty sure not everyone knew about its powers. What if one of their children put on a mask? It all comes back to my previous point: Why is it necessary to leave something dangerous like that on a wall in their temple, when they could just as easily stash it somewhere safe where a) thieves would have a harder time finding it) and b) innocent people won't kill themselves accidentally. | ||
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KazeHydra
Japan2788 Posts
zzzz okay But how did they find that hut in the first place? It was stated someone already told him where. Maybe not exact coordinates, but it's not exactly super hidden either. How did they pick the correct mask? It's drawn in the scroll. What would be the consequences of choosing an incorrect mask? The jutsu wouldn't work. What was the significance of them going down into the Uchiha shrine? Implying there is significance beyond "THIS IS WHERE IT ALL BEGAN" What kind of jutsu was needed to open that door? Stated hundreds of chapters ago that only Uchiha can open it. Exact jutsu is never stated afaik What was written on the stone tablet down there? Secrets of the Sharingan, stated hundreds of chapters ago. How many ninjas besides Orochimaru, exactly, could survive slicing open their own stomachs? See above post. We could also ask: What are the other use-cases of the mask? saaa Maybe there was some old Uzumaki ritual that involved letting oneself be possessed by the Shinigami, and it they made very common use of the mask? saaa It's not necessarily the case that the only reason to do such a thing would be to slice open its belly. And even if that's not true, it's not necessarily the case that the things stored inside the Shinigami's belly were always so evil that the mask capable of releasing them need to be so guarded. Lol did you even read the chapter? Slicing your stomach is to end the jutsu. In reality, we did not get to see a single use of this, assuming there are any uses at all. For all we know, it's just a cursed mask with no real purpose. He only sliced opened the stomach so he could magically get his arms back. So the entire purpose of being possessed was because he also gets his arms back when he stops being possessed. This is sometimes known as deus ex machina. And, most important of all, how many people even knew about this technique? It seems very obvious that this was a technique that had been almost completely forgotten over the years, long before the Third and Fourth Hokages knew about it. In such a case, it wouldn't be implausible for the mask to be completely unguarded, and treated merely as some old relic. The real question is when did Kishimoto even know about this technique? now back to Zaregoto for me. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
About the hut being unguarded, again, hiding things in plain site, is probably one of the safest ways to do things, and all they have to do to tell kids not to fuck with it is tell them it's something scary/etc, and if the mask itself is placed high enough, what kid is gonna climb past 50 other masks and put on the 1 correct mask. As others have said also, it's likely that the secret behind this was never passed on in time to let people know that it was worth protecting. It's just a wall of masks, unless someone told the 3rd/4th about it, they probably didn't even know the secrets it held. People are reaching pretty hard to invalidate this last chapter. I agree that this has been one of the best revelations in Naruto in a long time, and yet people are already attacking it. jeez. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 02 2013 05:59 andrewlt wrote: The problem is that the shrine isn't actually in Konoha. From what I understand, it's a badly maintained site that is near but outside Konoha. And if so, wouldn't Sarutobi, Tsunade or one of the advisers decide to move those important artifacts inside Konoha after the shrine got destroyed? because noone in Konoha knew the mask was there they might not even know the shrine was there, Naruto seems to be the only Uzumaki left and since noone has bothered to share any secret Uzumaki lore with him then all the secrets of the Uzumaki clan must have burnt down and altough Oro managed to activate the mask we dont know how hard it was for him to figure out how to pull that off, it might not have been just put on the mask | ||
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Elysian
United States22 Posts
Regardless, Kushina herself said (500 or 501), that the remaining Uzumaki were scattered across the world after the destruction of their village (e.g. Pain). It doesn't seem too far of a stretch that one of them may be bitter towards the leaf for allowing their village to be destroyed and gave some intel to Orochimaru. ---------------------------------- In any event, does anyone else think that this is starting to sound like a certain video game? A young hero (Naruto), empowered by mystical forces (Nine-Tails), with a useless sprite (Hinata/Sakura), needs to stop a misguided kid (Obito) who is under the influence of a terrible evil (Madara), from using the moon to "destroy" the world (Tsukiyomi), by calling upon the kid's old familial friends who refused to play with them any longer (the kage). Oh and only one mask (reaper) actually matters, the rest just make the plot seem cooler, and a mysterious man, who seems to be secretly pulling the strings everywhere, knows just about everything but only helps in the most cryptic and roundabout ways (Orochimaru). Madara even sounds like Majora. | ||
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