"The Genius" is a Korean reality game where 13 people compete in games that test their logical thinking and social skills. There is a total of 12 rounds (or 12 episodes) in a season. One person will be eliminated in every episode, and the final victor will be named the champion of the season. Season 3 begins broadcast on 1st Oct 2014, and will air every Wed evening on tvN at 11pm (KST).
The currency in this game is called a garnet. Each garnet is worth 1,000,000 won($1000). In the final episode, the champion's garnets are exchanged for real money. Garnets may be given before the game or gained within the game.
Each round will have a Main Match and a Death Match. All players participate in the Main Match where a winner and an elimination candidate is determined. The winner is given immunity. The elimination candidate will then have to choose another person without immunity to go to the Death Match with him or her. The Death Match will then take place and the loser gets eliminated in the round. The winner of the Death Match will gain a Black Garnet. A player on the brink of elimination can exchange three Black Garnets for an opportunity to participate in a Black Mission. Successful completion of the Black Mission exempts the player from the Death Match for that round.
Pay attention to his poker face and skilled plays developed through countless controversies and years of experience!
A politician turned TV star! A hot potato with many haters and fans!
School district 8, Seoul University, Harvard Law School! A lawyer who took the elite course. The elite of elites!
Kim Junghoon (Actor)
146 IQ and ranked 67th in the nation as a student! His hobby is solving maths problems! The most requested player by “The Genius” viewers!
A singer turned pretty boy actor! The original umchinah has returned as a genius!
Asia’s prince who won a quiz show on Japan’s Fuji TV 2 years in a row!
Ha Yeonjoo (Actress)
Possesses both intellect and beauty with 156 IQ!
The beauty with a thousand faces makes her first variety appearance! A true jack of all trades!
A devilish player who captures men’s hearts with her lively personality!
Jang Dongmin (Comedian)
An unpredictable player who competes with unexpected ad-libs and boldness!
The adaptability and sense of a 10 year comedian. Recently risen as a variety show success story!
Level 100 wits, level 200 sense! A player with the intuition and strategy to outdo the winner of “The Genius : Rule Breaker”.
Nam Hweejong (Maths lecturer)
173 IQ with skills and charismatic looks. The eloquent top online maths lecturer!
Returned to redeem himself. Forget “The Genius : Rule Breaker”! His surefire survival tactics will overcome the 1st round!
An overwhelming presence that pressures the other players! The most feared player and a strong favorite to win season 3!
Shin Ahyoung (Sports announcer)
Rewriting the history of umchinddals! The daughter of the Financial Services Commission’s chairman, a Harvard graduate and the sports announcer goddess!
English, German, Spanish, etc. Fluent in 4 languages and an endless positivity that draws people in!
A charming player that chases after a dramatic finish!
Lee Jongbum (Webtoon writer)
The writer of the web toon “Dr. Frost” which will be made into a drama on OCN!
A logical persuasiveness based on quick game sense! A high level player that moves the hearts of other players!
The comforting voice of a radio DJ and his psychological knowledge allow him to read others from a few words!
Yoo Sujin (Financial planner)
The financial planner of VVIPs that relies on thorough data analysis to map out their futures!
"The Genius : Black Garnet“‘s official big sister with a tough and gentle side!
The most requested investment lecturer from countless corporations and schools! Leadership that encompasses every player!
Kwon Juri (Miss Kangwon and Dealer)
Quick hands and accurate calculations. A Kangwon Land dealer who doesn’t lose her cool under any situation!
Bold plays and an extraordinary competitive spirit hidden behind slender looks!
The master of games that reads the minds of gamblers!
Kim Kyunghoon (Seoul University graduate student)
Selected out of 3,000 applicants for the open casting call. From Minjok Leadership Academy to Seoul University! The king of specs!
A devilish player that plunges players into chaos with his unexpected goofiness!
Handsome looks and a sociability without limits.
Kim Yoohyun (Pro poker player)
Selected out of 3,000 applicants for the open casting call. A pro poker player that enjoys high level psychological battles!
Ranked 3rd in Manila’s Texas Hold ‘Em tournament on September 2012! An English lecturer that is as fluent as a native!
Aiming for the win with the pride of a pro poker player on the line!
A strong favorite that suggests the best strategy with logical thinking!
Oh Hyunmin (KAIST student)
Cute looks and an extraordinary mind! “The Genius“‘s youngest ever player!
Dominates the games with a boldness beyond his years and quick judgement!
Looks that surpass those of idols and sparkling eyes. A pretty boy comes to restore KAIST’s honor!
Disarms female players with cute looks!
Choi Yeonseung (Oriental doctor)
Gangnam’s representative oriental clinic director and responsible for the visuals of “The Genius : Black Garnet”!
A unique familiarity that lowers the guard of other players and a positivity that shines in dangerous moments!
A brilliant mind in the top 0.03% of the 2003 SATs! Selected out of 3,000 applicants for “The Genius : Black Garnet“‘s open casting call!
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4 episodes have already passed, but pretend you just finished ep 1 of the Genius season 3. Who did you think/do you think will win the Genius Season 3. Also, discuss in comments, about why you think so.
Poll: After episode 1, who did/do you think will win season 3 of the Genius
Kang Yong Suk(Lawyer) (2)
1%
Kim Jung Hoon(Actor) (6)
2%
Ha Yeon Joo(Actress) (3)
1%
Jang DongMin(Comedian) (59)
20%
Nam Hweejong(Math Lecturer) (5)
2%
Shin Ahyoung(Sports Announcer) (7)
2%
Lee JongBum(Webtoon writer) (0)
0%
Yoo Sujin(Financial planner) (3)
1%
Kwon Juri(Miss Kangwon and Dealer) (1)
0%
Kim Kyunghoon(Seoul University Graduate Student) (4)
1%
Kim Yoohyun(Pro Poker Player) (43)
15%
Oh Hyunmin(KAIST Student) (149)
51%
Choi Yeonseung(Oriental Doctor) (11)
4%
293 total votes
Your vote: After episode 1, who did/do you think will win season 3 of the Genius
(Vote): Kang Yong Suk(Lawyer) (Vote): Kim Jung Hoon(Actor) (Vote): Ha Yeon Joo(Actress) (Vote): Jang DongMin(Comedian) (Vote): Nam Hweejong(Math Lecturer) (Vote): Shin Ahyoung(Sports Announcer) (Vote): Lee JongBum(Webtoon writer) (Vote): Yoo Sujin(Financial planner) (Vote): Kwon Juri(Miss Kangwon and Dealer) (Vote): Kim Kyunghoon(Seoul University Graduate Student) (Vote): Kim Yoohyun(Pro Poker Player) (Vote): Oh Hyunmin(KAIST Student) (Vote): Choi Yeonseung(Oriental Doctor)
Well, seems like I'm the only one in this thread, but oh well. My thoughts on ep 2. + Show Spoiler +
Hyunmin is a fking genius. If you're the citizen leader, your first thought would be to hide yourself, but Hyunmin out mind gamed every1. Holy fk. In that situation, who would have the skills and the balls to earn the criminals' trust, stay hidden, and dispel the idea that you are the leader from their minds' completely. This kid is next level social intelligence, next level Yellow. It also helps that he's the winner of KAIST's The Genius. KAIST being korea's top mathematical and science university.
Also, Kang yongsuk impressed me this round too. He's not that skilled at games, but he's incredibly skilled at dealing with people. He doesn't have the skill of making every1 like him, but dam he's a master at intimidation. Way better than the Seoul graduate student dude. I also liked that he theoretically picked the socially weakest player for the deathmatch. Kyunghoon is not the weakest game player, as evidenced by his first round betrayal, but because of his betrayal, every1 knows that you can't totally trust him. And I think because it was a social game, yongsuk picked kyunghoon, banking on the fact that he would win in the social aspect. The poker dude did try to backstab Kyunghoon. (Poker dude is evil, messing up watermelon in game 1, and trying to backstab. He would be such a badguy if his plans actually worked.) And Even though Kyunghoon theoretically had more allies, I like how Kang Yongsuk turned the tables with his intimidation skills.
Honestly, Kyunghoon was pretty dumb. On round 3 deathmatch, he bet 1 chip when yongsuk was down to 1 chip. He could have just taken over the game right there, but instead makes a poor decision. His other poor decision came like round 4 or 5 when yongsuk all ins, but he decides to win, instead of losing. It was pretty obvious that Yongsuk would try to all in to catch up before it was too late...Yongsuk also made really dumb decisions. This deathmatch was almost as bad as Juri throwing the game. I think both these people are really bad at standard "games" like a lot of people this season, and are better at studying. (Still infinitely better than seasons 1 and 2). Those who are acutally experienced at playing games, like the poker dude, hyunmin, and the kaist teacher dude are better at these types of games imo with the exception of Juri.
Another person I think that I have an eye on is the actress girl with mensa level iq. I like how she's not particularly on any1's side specifically, and she's laying low, trying to survive through the beginning rounds of the games. She's not too close to any1, but she's not distant from them either. Close enough to not be chosen in death matches, close enough not to have any enemies, but clearly not getting into any alliances. Plus, she was a major factor for the citizen team winning. Her acting, or whatever she was doing, kept people's eyes away from the real citizen leader.
Hyunmin played so well. The lawyer made a really stupid mistake so it was obvious who the criminal leader was, but the way he concealed his role was really well done. I am happy with the participants, overall there is no one I really dislike. But there is a long way to go yet.
IMO Hyunmin overplayed for this early in the game. Had he let the citizen team vote guilty it's super unlikely that he would've been picked as the leader, and by remaining concealed he could've played off his stealthy moves as listening to Dongmin.
That being said, i'm super hyped for the next few rounds, because I'm thinking it's going to turn into Hyunmin VS Yongsuk alliance-war which would be really awesome to watch go down.
IMO Hyunmin overplayed for this early in the game. Had he let the citizen team vote guilty it's super unlikely that he would've been picked as the leader, and by remaining concealed he could've played off his stealthy moves as listening to Dongmin.
That being said, i'm super hyped for the next few rounds, because I'm thinking it's going to turn into Hyunmin VS Yongsuk alliance-war which would be really awesome to watch go down.
True, but he picked a 100% strategy over a 86% (6/7) strategy. It wasn't epic but it showed a kind of attention to detail and clean play that is important in the game.
This show has the best visualizations ever for the games. It's not easy to make illustrations that are both entertaining to watch and make the games easy to understand while not giving away OP strategies.
IMO Hyunmin overplayed for this early in the game. Had he let the citizen team vote guilty it's super unlikely that he would've been picked as the leader, and by remaining concealed he could've played off his stealthy moves as listening to Dongmin.
That being said, i'm super hyped for the next few rounds, because I'm thinking it's going to turn into Hyunmin VS Yongsuk alliance-war which would be really awesome to watch go down.
True, but he picked a 100% strategy over a 86% (6/7) strategy. It wasn't epic but it showed a kind of attention to detail and clean play that is important in the game.
This show has the best visualizations ever for the games. It's not easy to make illustrations that are both entertaining to watch and make the games easy to understand while not giving away OP strategies.
In this case though, I think he was giving up better positioning in the long-term for security from the death match.If he looks like he was just following Dongmin's advice it puts him in a strong position relative to Yongsuk because Yongsuk won't see him as as big of a threat as he does now and will be slightly less guarded against a betrayal from him.
These kinds of main matches are no fun to watch at all. Clearly if you make a game where only 2 people lose, people are going to gang up and take out 2 people. DM was lost by the lawyer fair and square. The way I see it, the black garnet being a threat is bs. I mean, come on, you need 3 for it to be useful.
I'm not sure about the exact reasons why majority voted for Yongsuk to be 11th, maybe it's because he's strong, maybe they actually believed black garnet was too scary, maybe they don't like him, his threatening, whatever, but it was clear that 1st was going to be either Yongsuk or quick dude because they're solo characters, but Yongsuk was just singled out under the excuse of the black garnet. Yongsuk had no choice in the matter of getting his card, but I think he should have been more sociable to avoid getting singled out(kind of like Dongmin's useless card did). For the oriental medicine dude, they threw him away because he also got a relatively useless card. I mean it could have been him or it could have been any other useless card player, but I believe it's because he just didn't have the sociability, and the right card, he was thrown away. But I really hate these games because it's either you get a good card to be useful to people so you can't be thrown away, or you become likeable or useful beforehand so that you're not auto sent to deathmatch without being able to do anything.
Wow only just found this thread. If the games are much improved compared to season 2 (I'm hoping so!), then definitely going to get back into it. Need to catch up!
On October 20 2014 06:33 Deucegladlier wrote: Ep 3 spoilers + Show Spoiler +
These kinds of main matches are no fun to watch at all. Clearly if you make a game where only 2 people lose, people are going to gang up and take out 2 people. DM was lost by the lawyer fair and square. The way I see it, the black garnet being a threat is bs. I mean, come on, you need 3 for it to be useful.
I'm not sure about the exact reasons why majority voted for Yongsuk to be 11th, maybe it's because he's strong, maybe they actually believed black garnet was too scary, maybe they don't like him, his threatening, whatever, but it was clear that 1st was going to be either Yongsuk or quick dude because they're solo characters, but Yongsuk was just singled out under the excuse of the black garnet. Yongsuk had no choice in the matter of getting his card, but I think he should have been more sociable to avoid getting singled out(kind of like Dongmin's useless card did). For the oriental medicine dude, they threw him away because he also got a relatively useless card. I mean it could have been him or it could have been any other useless card player, but I believe it's because he just didn't have the sociability, and the right card, he was thrown away. But I really hate these games because it's either you get a good card to be useful to people so you can't be thrown away, or you become likeable or useful beforehand so that you're not auto sent to deathmatch without being able to do anything.
Alternatively: Don't talk a big game if you're not able to back it up. Yongsuk had no plan for the main match and made several mistakes in the death match.
On October 20 2014 06:33 Deucegladlier wrote: Ep 3 spoilers + Show Spoiler +
These kinds of main matches are no fun to watch at all. Clearly if you make a game where only 2 people lose, people are going to gang up and take out 2 people. DM was lost by the lawyer fair and square. The way I see it, the black garnet being a threat is bs. I mean, come on, you need 3 for it to be useful.
I'm not sure about the exact reasons why majority voted for Yongsuk to be 11th, maybe it's because he's strong, maybe they actually believed black garnet was too scary, maybe they don't like him, his threatening, whatever, but it was clear that 1st was going to be either Yongsuk or quick dude because they're solo characters, but Yongsuk was just singled out under the excuse of the black garnet. Yongsuk had no choice in the matter of getting his card, but I think he should have been more sociable to avoid getting singled out(kind of like Dongmin's useless card did). For the oriental medicine dude, they threw him away because he also got a relatively useless card. I mean it could have been him or it could have been any other useless card player, but I believe it's because he just didn't have the sociability, and the right card, he was thrown away. But I really hate these games because it's either you get a good card to be useful to people so you can't be thrown away, or you become likeable or useful beforehand so that you're not auto sent to deathmatch without being able to do anything.
Alternatively: Don't talk a big game if you're not able to back it up. Yongsuk had no plan for the main match and made several mistakes in the death match.
It's pretty obvious to me that they picked Yongsuk b/c of his threatening all of them in the previous episode. (in this instance, picked=both voted for 11th, and chosen to lose the MM). Making that move so early was a bad choice. It basically says to all the players, this is one guy we really don't wanna fuck with, we need to get him out now. They used the black garnet as an excuse to get rid of a scary opponent, but also as a way to get Ahyoung to do what they wanted. (by threatening to get rid of her instead, even if they don't really care about the black garnet she had no way of knowing that, and had to think that if i don't follow along they'll target me instead)
I've felt bad for the oriental medicine guy in all 3 episodes. He really seems like he's kind of the outcast of the whole group (like he's a nerd and the rest are jocks sort of thing). That being said, he did play brilliantly in the DM and Yongsuk messed up a little, and like they said "this is a game where one mistake could end it".
Hyunmin is such a little freaking genius though. He's figured out every game so far, and figured them out so well that he's leaving the others in his dust. He's also been very sociable (or accepted is the word i mean) with the other cast members, so that even when he comes up with an "evil" plan they all just go along with him anyways. He reminds me of a mixture of Sunggyu's social skills and game skills mixed with Yellow's outside the box thinking. The only problem is he's making too much of a scene, so to speak. The other players are going to realize soon enough that he's one that needs to be targeted.
Dangmin is also extremely smart. In this match he figured out the combo's that would make or break the game long before Hyunmin did, but kept the whole plan to himself while only revealing exactly as much as he needed ppl to know in order to figure out what he wanted them to do on their own.
Yeonjoo doesn't really have the gumption for this show. It's gonna really tear her apart the longer she's in it i think.
My two favorites to get in the finals right now are Hyunmin and Dangmin. The dark horse is Sujin who stays quiet enough to not be seen as a threat, but speaks up enough to protect herself and try to win the games (she sort of reminds me of Kyungran a little bit from season 1, where people won't realize how smart she really is, but when they do she can kind of bully them into doing what she wants anyways).
If you have complaints about the MM and how it was played out, remember it's really the producer's fault. They're the ones that thought up the game in the first place, the players are just doing what they think is best to survive. And I actually thought this game was a really good one. There were so so so many different weird little combo's between the cards that could have changed the game completely.
Regardless, I've really enjoyed this season so far, it's much much much better than season 2 was. Not as good as season 1 though, I don't think they'll ever get that magic back from season 1. That group was just incredibly fun to watch, all of them were great.
Edit: As always Thank you Clefairy for the subs! We love you man!!!!
Holy shit this game was so boring. Al just stood by the table watching bricks move repetatively. Most boring game by far of all the 3 seasons. Even including the bullshit Donghee one where they cheated and he lost. Even that was more fun.
On October 20 2014 22:29 Rocket-Bear wrote: ep3 + Show Spoiler +
Holy shit this game was so boring. Al just stood by the table watching bricks move repetatively. Most boring game by far of all the 3 seasons. Even including the bullshit Donghee one where they cheated and he lost. Even that was more fun.
Yeah they basically just had to choose 2 players that would lose and there's no way those 2 are coming back. Gravity is imba and jump is retardedly bad. Yongsuk already lost the main match 20mins into the episode.
On October 20 2014 22:29 Rocket-Bear wrote: ep3 + Show Spoiler +
Holy shit this game was so boring. Al just stood by the table watching bricks move repetatively. Most boring game by far of all the 3 seasons. Even including the bullshit Donghee one where they cheated and he lost. Even that was more fun.
Yeah they basically just had to choose 2 players that would lose and there's no way those 2 are coming back. Gravity is imba and jump is retardedly bad. Yongsuk already lost the main match 20mins into the episode.
Actually, I disagree with this. Jump would be fine if it was part of the loop with Reset or if it could work with Silence, it's supposed to stay in the back and play as a spoiler along with Quick in the race for 2nd. Yongsuk's real problem in the MM was not really allying up with anyone and trying to play by himself, and he screwed himself by being near the front of the pack for the entire game from his first move.
He pointed out his own folly when he chose 20 as the first two moves in the DM, which was also a massive unforced error.
main match was meh, everything was said about it already.
they really love black and white man, after being the dominant deathmatch in season 2 it looks like it's the same in season 3. even though Yongsuk gifted Yeonsung the win by going 20 in the first round (which i think is the absolute worst number you can go) I think Yeonsung played the deathmatch pretty much perfectly. As far as I saw it he didn't make a single mistake, which is pretty impressive in a pressure situation like this.
I hope he and Hyunmin are going to be rivals now and Yeonsung starts being a bit more active in the Main Matches too. He definitely has the potential
For the first time the contestants seem interesting enough. And there are enough intelligent people to actually come up with interesting strategies and plays. The contestants of the first season seemed mostly meh (tho some unexpected good players), second I didnt even bother to check but this time...
Anyone else got the sense that the oriental doctor was able to see what number the harvard lawyer was writing...? Like the doctor was all sneaky and all with his number writing, juggling between number writing and spelling the number, whereas the lawyer was writing the biggest 1's and 2's on his board...
On October 22 2014 05:42 SwARmZzz wrote: Anyone else got the sense that the oriental doctor was able to see what number the harvard lawyer was writing...? Like the doctor was all sneaky and all with his number writing, juggling between number writing and spelling the number, whereas the lawyer was writing the biggest 1's and 2's on his board...
I definitely thought it was possible to see what the other person was writing based on pen movements. But i don't really think that the Dr. was using it to win (b/c the times that lawyer kang was really obvious about it he was putting in the number 2nd). But seeing him alternate between the number and the written word of the number made me realize how subtly smart the Dr. can be.
Yeah, it was quite clever to write the number out in Korean, even though the lawyer seemed to be quite honorable and avoided looking at his hand. It makes a lot more sense than what the women were doing, which was writing numerals in a weird way.
lol, in the new bts, he says that he looked at the Lawyer's hand to see what he was writing. I think he knew the entire time what the Lawyer was writing.
Also, dam, I really want to discuss ep 4. But I'll wait till subs are out.
On October 23 2014 17:06 Boonbag wrote: wheres the kong
Kong had rejected participating in S3 a long time ago. He is busy with radio and variety broadcast programmes, as well as KongDoo Company. He'll be making his acting debut in a tvN drama titled "Heroes" soon.
On October 23 2014 17:06 Boonbag wrote: wheres the kong
Kong had rejected participating in S3 a long time ago. He is busy with radio and variety broadcast programmes, as well as KongDoo Company. He'll be making his acting debut in a tvN drama titled "Heroes" soon.
I really hope Yellow and Sangmin make a participation in S3. The genius is no the same without our kong :D
The veritas game I feel was the Genius done right. Without betrayals, the Genius becomes a game of skill, chance, and brains. Short, but I feel amazing main match. I don't think any1 watching or playing thought the game would end that fast. This ep just goes on to show how despite not being a traditional Genius like the other contestants, Dongmin's ability to read people is freakishly good. The veritas team was amazingly lucky, and won due to Hweejeong's two mistakes.
I feel like the actor dude is going to get criticized for his poor play in the black mission. I mean, it was such an easy mission, but nerves got to him.
For the deathmatch, lol. Two inexperienced guys playing poker. Good thing the editing made things more exciting. Although any time anybody mentions that they think they can win, or they will achieve victory in an interview, I always get the feeling that they'll lose. And I think they actually end up losing, quite often.
Deathmatches prove that it's always any1's game. Regardless of whoever's favored, going into the death match.(As long as it's none of that rock paper scissors bs) and I think Hweejeong's biggest mistake was his pride in taking the "fall" or the "blame" for his team(Even though that may have been morally correct). I think the people who find value in survival over leading for personal glory or victory always end up going further in the game, and I think Hweejeong should have done the same. Quietly earn garnets, get to the middle stages of the game, and then make your move. I mean that was Hweejeong's original game plan all along. Be quiet, and survive. However, I don't think Hweejeong's pride allows him to do that. A similar person who is also in the strong player but in a really bad situation currently, is the poker player. He gets acknowledged as a dangerous player, but he only has 1 or 2 garnets to his name. Aka he has a big target on his back, but he'll end up getting wrecked in later games when garnets become a currency for advantages in the main game.
The veritas game I feel was the Genius done right. Without betrayals, the Genius becomes a game of skill, chance, and brains. Short, but I feel amazing main match. I don't think any1 watching or playing thought the game would end that fast. This ep just goes on to show how despite not being a traditional Genius like the other contestants, Dongmin's ability to read people is freakishly good. The veritas team was amazingly lucky, and won due to Hweejeong's two mistakes.
I feel like the actor dude is going to get criticized for his poor play in the black mission. I mean, it was such an easy mission, but nerves got to him.
For the deathmatch, lol. Two inexperienced guys playing poker. Good thing the editing made things more exciting. Although any time anybody mentions that they think they can win, or they will achieve victory in an interview, I always get the feeling that they'll lose. And I think they actually end up losing, quite often.
Deathmatches prove that it's always any1's game. Regardless of whoever's favored, going into the death match.(As long as it's none of that rock paper scissors bs) and I think Hweejeong's biggest mistake was his pride in taking the "fall" or the "blame" for his team(Even though that may have been morally correct). I think the people who find value in survival over leading for personal glory or victory always end up going further in the game, and I think Hweejeong should have done the same. Quietly earn garnets, get to the middle stages of the game, and then make your move. I mean that was Hweejeong's original game plan all along. Be quiet, and survive. However, I don't think Hweejeong's pride allows him to do that. A similar person who is also in the strong player but in a really bad situation currently, is the poker player. He gets acknowledged as a dangerous player, but he only has 1 or 2 garnets to his name. Aka he has a big target on his back, but he'll end up getting wrecked in later games when garnets become a currency for advantages in the main game.
I don't know if it's the editing or what, but 156 IQ means nothing in the case of this actress Yeonjoo. So clueless lmao, in all these games so far. She really doesn't have a clue and 'actress' means nothing if she can't control her emotions and expressions in even basic ways.
The deathmatch was interesting though. Both of them were just too afraid or inexperienced in the game to exploit the game. I mean, they have 10 on the back and they don't try to milk as much as possible from the other player and are satisfied with 2 chips? Unlike normal poker, YOU CANNOT LOSE with a 10! Of course, the risk of getting a bad hand next turn will also be higher.
Still, like the show and the contestants this time, for the most part anyway.
On October 27 2014 05:58 Ahzz wrote: I don't know if it's the editing or what, but 156 IQ means nothing in the case of this actress Yeonjoo. So clueless lmao, in all these games so far. She really doesn't have a clue and 'actress' means nothing if she can't control her emotions and expressions in even basic ways.
The deathmatch was interesting though. Both of them were just too afraid or inexperienced in the game to exploit the game. I mean, they have 10 on the back and they don't try to milk as much as possible from the other player and are satisfied with 2 chips? Unlike normal poker, YOU CANNOT LOSE with a 10! Of course, the risk of getting a bad hand next turn will also be higher.
Still, like the show and the contestants this time, for the most part anyway.
yeah like they have a 10 and do a call instead of a raise lol, that happened 2-3 times, makes no sense at all..
was rooting for hwee lecture guy, since the other guy had next to no impact on all maingames~~
I don't really like the teacher, but it is kinda sad he lost because he is a lot more interesting in the games than the actor.
Dongmin played so well in the game, they should have doubted the poker guy's double sword. :/
I feel that three games in only one chapter is a bit too much. It looks like they cut a lot of the main game, even though it actually didn't last as long as the previous ones
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On October 27 2014 14:07 Tamagoshi wrote: I don't really like the teacher, but it is kinda sad he lost because he is a lot more interesting in the games than the actor.
Dongmin played so well in the game, they should have doubted the poker guy's double sword. :/
I feel that three games in only one chapter is a bit too much. It looks like they cut a lot of the main game, even though it actually didn't last as long as the previous ones
Teacher guy was pretty bad, though, and it was mostly his mistake that lost his team the game... why did they even bring him back in the first place?
I think they actually drew the main match out a lot, there were only like 6 moves total and they somehow made it last half an hour... it was probably good for the editors that the Black Mission happened, otherwise this episode would have been miserable.
Front page has a poll on who do/did you think would win after ep 1 of the genius season 3.
My thoughts after ep 1 of the genius.
Lawyer: I watched the Crime Scene, a show that is currently on break, but used to air, and Kang Yongsuk became a regular on that show. Tbh, Kang Yongsuk was pretty embarassing on that show, so I never saw him winning, but I thought he would make it far, because TV personalities always make it far. He showed promise after episode 2, which shocked me, because he seemed like a tryhard, who was not that smart guy(hey this guy graduated from harvard). After ep 2, it seemed that my initial predictions would easily come true, and this guy would exceed expectations, but it seems like his weakness towards forging alliances eventually cost him in a bs mainmatch.
Actor: I originally predicted him to drop towards the early/middle stages of the game as deathmatch fodder. This guy does like nothing during the main matches, but he surprised me during the death match, by beating Nam Hweejong. (I'm pretty sure if we were having bets, like 90% of people would have bet on Nam Hweejong.) However, the actor is still a weak contestant. I still don't see the actor winning, and making it towards the later stages of the game. I seem him dropping out like in the middle part of the show.
Actress: I think I put too much faith in this girl. Realistically, she only had two options. Be a fodder for the deathmatch, or go along for the ride until later in the game, because she's not a threat. This girl's death match fodder. She's dropping out soon.
Comedian: This comedian has an image for being dumb, and for getting angry/cussing a lot. I originally had him drop off in the later stages of the game because he's a tv personality, and these guys never get out early in the game, and seems like this will be true. However, he exceeded my expectations, despite being the person in the game with the least amazing specs. Who says high iq means you're "smarter". He won't win(imo) but he'll make it to the later stages of the game before dropping out.
Math Lecturer: I think he originally latched on to the comedian because of the stigma behind tv alliances. I was disappointed to see them get wrecked season 1. I originally had high expectations for the lecturer. Before watching the first ep, I expected him to win. But there's only so much you can judge a person on, when you have no information on them besides pics and their profile. During ep 1, his "alliance" seemed like it would fail with Juri leavingo, but I felt that he would get far because no1 would want to kick him out. I never expected him to drop out so early in the game. Failed prediction here.
Shin Ahyoung: Just from specs, I saw her as one of the two strong female contestants on the show that might have a chance of winning the show. Ep 1 rolls around, and even before she got betrayed, her tendency to lean on the graduate student made me think twice. After the betrayal, I expected her to be the first contestant to drop out, but she surprisingly survived. I don't expect her to win, and I have this feeling that she'll survive for a long time in the game, but I'm going to say that she's dropping out a little bit later.
Lee Jongbum: No expectations for this guy. Thought he would drop out early like around this time or really soon. I'm hoping soon, so that my predictions are correct.
Yoo Sujin: Forged by tough real life experiences, I expected her to make it to the later stages of the game. Seems like this prediction will come true. My original predictions were that she would make it towards the end, before losing. In light of recent circumstances, I think she's like the lawyer. I get a vibe that they're just playing the game like a distraction or something. Like they don't really caring about winning the whole thing. I don't have a good feeling about this, but I'm still going to predict that she'll make it far, and be the last girl standing. (This probably won't happen)
Kwon Juri: I thought she would win ep 1 and die towards the middle of the season. Seems like I was wrong.
Kim Kyunghoon: After ep 1, I was surprised by the balls on this guy. He executed such a bold betrayal on ep 1, and took on the image of a scumbag. I honestly thought that after that, this guy would make at least top 4 on the show. I didn't expect him to drop oiut so early. However, he lost on ep 2. He made himself look like Boxer on that episode. Failed prediction here.
Poker player: I think poker players are good at these kinds of games. He got owned ep 2, and fked himself garnet wise ep 3, but he's one of the three people that I thought would win from the beginning. (Hyunmin, Hweejong, and Yoohyun)Like my heart says that he will win in the end, but my brain tells me he's going to make it till the end, but not win.
Oh Hyunmin: His specs made me feel like he would win. Ep 1 made me feel like he would win even more, for some strange reason. I think some people either see him winning or dropping out due to him being targeted by every1. My vote is on this guy winning the genius.
Choi Yeonseung: I expected this guy to make it near the end, purely based on his pic. Seeing how the game is progressing, that might be true. He might be a pushover in the social aspect of the game, but I think he's smart enough to be a legit contender in death matches. I see him making it to the later stages of the game at this point.
You have to be good at death matches to win on the Genius solely because you'll be in at least one(the final). If you're like Lee Sangmin, you might be good or lucky enough to knock out all the death match kings early on in the season, and then go up vs the scrubs near the end and win the whole thing, but this season, I don't think there's that many scrubs this season. So realistically, I feel that the two death match kings, hypothetically being Yoohyun and Hyunmin, will win the Genius.
Forgive me if most of what I said makes like 0 sense. Writing on the phone is a pain while in the car, so I might have written sentences that sound weird.
Ahh what a great episode this week! I have no idea what happened though b/c i couldn't focus on anything but Ahyoung. That tight black dress was too damn sexy, and then she's all bending over all the time with the camera shootin right down her cleavage. Omfg. and then she starts making screams and noises sounding like she's getting some behind closed doors. I donno if i can handle anymore from this woman.
Since episode 5 subs is out, I'm not going to use the spoiler tags.
I'm cheering for the oriental doctor. 2 death match victories now. Poor guy always out of the loop in the main game, and manned up this week to take out Dongmin's groupie. He's the least 2-faced person this season. Particularly in episode 3, when players are struggling with open alliance because it would make them look bad. He just took the blow and even tried to lighten the mood. I really hope he goes far.
What a blunder from the game creators to use different material for the bombs... While it's true that not many benefitted from it, if even two do it may be too much. I don't think it should be part of the genius. I believe such information should be availible to everyone.
Many of these games have a social aspect to them, where you can completely make a fool out of everyone else by simply teaming up with someone. I guess it's part of the game and that's also one way of playing genius, but its much different from making good calls, counting the best probability etc imo.
On November 03 2014 23:58 Ahzz wrote: What a blunder from the game creators to use different material for the bombs... While it's true that not many benefitted from it, if even two do it may be too much. I don't think it should be part of the genius. I believe such information should be availible to everyone.
Many of these games have a social aspect to them, where you can completely make a fool out of everyone else by simply teaming up with someone. I guess it's part of the game and that's also one way of playing genius, but its much different from making good calls, counting the best probability etc imo.
I'm pretty sure these differences are intentional. Only the more perceptive people are able to find them (e.g. Yellow with back of cards) which give them an advantage.
Well actually i think the yellow cards trick was unintentional and just yellow being awesome. The trick to that on was everybody else figured out in the different colored backs. It's more like from season 2 with that magnet dice thing that Sangmin figured out.
Poll: Who do you think will be eliminated next week
Kim Junghoon(Actor) (8)
33%
Ha Yeonjoo(Actress) (7)
29%
Jang Dongmin(Comedian) (1)
4%
Shin Ahyoung(Sports Announcer) (0)
0%
Lee Jongbum(Webtoon Writer) (3)
13%
Kim Yoohyun(Pro Poker Player) (1)
4%
Oh Hyunmin(Kaist Student) (1)
4%
Choi Yeonseung(Oriental Medicine Doctor) (3)
13%
24 total votes
Your vote: Who do you think will be eliminated next week
(Vote): Kim Junghoon(Actor) (Vote): Ha Yeonjoo(Actress) (Vote): Jang Dongmin(Comedian) (Vote): Shin Ahyoung(Sports Announcer) (Vote): Lee Jongbum(Webtoon Writer) (Vote): Kim Yoohyun(Pro Poker Player) (Vote): Oh Hyunmin(Kaist Student) (Vote): Choi Yeonseung(Oriental Medicine Doctor)
Created a poll just for discussion's sake
Personally, I don't think any girl will go to a deathmatch just yet, unless they end up coming last in the main game. I think the actor is really weak in the main match, and he just looks weak overall. He hasn't really done anything in any games so far. I think if any1 is picked for the deathmatch, they'll likely pick the weakest person in the game to survive, who imagewise, happens to be the actor. (Even though theoretically, I think JongBum is the weakest deathmatcher currently). I don't think they would stake everything on the line to aim at Yoohyun or Hyunmin just yet. And just by previews, it feels like Dongmin will win the deathmatch(Oh Boy, this means that he will lose the deathmatch. Cuz the genius always broadcasts the opposite of what happens). But just because I have fun making predictions that probably won't come true, I pick the actor.
I'm a total Dongmin convert now. Dammit! I mean I liked him before this, but he's just too charming for words, what with juggling all the 'flirting' with formulating strategies.
On November 04 2014 14:01 femacca wrote: I'm a total Dongmin convert now. Dammit! I mean I liked him before this, but he's just too charming for words, what with juggling all the 'flirting' with formulating strategies.
That is too funny. But, I will say that flirting did actually seem to distract from his strategies and it might ultimately be his downfall if he's not careful. Ahyoung isn't helping by adjusting her bra while he shouts charmingly at her.
Yea, though I was slightly surprised by how passive the rest of the contestants (except for Yoohyun) were while Dongmin and Hyunmin owned. Particularly near the end, it should have been fairly obvious that something was up after Hyunmin had the big round.
The deathmatch this time was quite fun though. Sometimes it can be a bit of a letdown but I enjoyed this one.
By not revealing every player's true money count until the end of the game, Dongmin & Hyunmin had such a lock on winning. Since they agreed to leave notes for each other beforehand, they didn't talk to each other at all in the early game and nobody would have evidence of them colluding against the rest.
I bet that next week they're going to find a quite different 2v5 situation. Hyunmin has destroyed in far too many episodes for the others to ignore him.
(Vote): Ha Yeon Joo(Actress) (Vote): Shin Ahyoung(Sports Announcer) (Vote): Lee JongBum(Webtoon writer) (Vote): Kim Yoohyun(Pro Poker Player) (Vote): Oh Hyunmin(KAIST Student) (Vote): Choi Yeonseung(Oriental Doctor) (Vote): Jang DongMin(Comedian)
Edit: My thoughts.
This week: I pick Ahyoung because she's the last lame duck remaining. Only person she can beat at a deathmatch is Dongmin and unless Dongmin goes to deathmatch this week, I have a feeling he won't, then Ahyoung will be the candidate that will be picked for the deathmatch because she's the weakest.
Yeonseung is also very weak at main matches so it makes me feel like he might go the deathmatch, but if he does, I think he'll pick like Ahyoung or Yooyoung for the deathmatch and beat them. I don't see him losing this week.
Hyunmin no way he goes yet. Only way is if Yoohyun goes to deathmatch, picks Hyunmin because he wants to look cool and beats him.
Yoohyun is really crafty, but he sucks at being crafty, and doesn't want to look bad. He'll weasel his way out of another deathmatch this week imo.
Yooyoung: Ummmm 1 min of screen time per episode except for maybe face shots or reactions. Still not her time yet.
Dongmin: The day he goes to a deathmatch is the day he loses. I saw him on Running Man and they changed the shooting time just for him. I'm thinking that he's staying for a while longer because of that.
Jongbum: I expect him not to make an impact this week either. Second most likely to say bye bye.
The deathmatch was better, and it has quite a bit of depth as long as the players themselves aren't simple enough to just always go for the win or draw. It was entertaining enough this time around, and I feel it will always be from this point on except perhaps with the actress.
Well, while I'm not so sure if the actress will be last, I think she will be picked for the deathmatch... Or ah young. But they don't pose as big of a threat to others. This time around neither was picked even tho they could have been, especially the actress. So we never know.
I really like hyunmin and dongmin tho. They are both quite clearly people I'd call genius.
My guts are telling me that Hyunmin will get betrayed by everyone and get eliminated this ep. I just feel like Hyunmin, Dongmin, and Yoohyun will fall one by one if the weak players get together and make an alliance. As much as I love those 3 strong players, it is really hard for them to not being targeted after showing how good they are in this game.
This season is shaping up to be really good. Been enjoying the turn arounds lately. Kind of dislike games that has 100% foolproof way of winning but turned out good in the end. The mountain mining game was so good.
Wow this episode's main match was by far the worst so far. There was absolutely nothing for Dongmin and Hyunmin to do. The 5 man alliance has to be the first thing everyone thinks about when listening to the rules. Major slip up by the production crew.
Deathmatch was interesting, but I'm sad to see Jongbum go. He was a much better player than the 2 girls who are still left. Ahyoung didn't do a single thing since episode one and for some reason she's still around. Hope one of them gets eliminated next round.
I certainly agree that the 5 man has the advantage here and it seems very very hard to beat the 5 man here. I think you would need to rely on the social aspect/garnets to try and survive if you did end up in the two - It certainly would of been a perfect episode for the 5 man team if the Black Mission had worked! I bet Dongmin was very pleased!
But if you ended up in the eventual 2 man I guess you can try to manipulate the results early to give the bomb to the person on Card 4 instead of 5 ( By doubling up on 2&5) to try and mess with there original strat and allocation of the bombs. If you start messing with them earlier you are more likely to either start making them lose their heads and allocation of numbers or create the potential to start splitting the group with an early 2 bomb.
Also I didn't get a good look at the card backs but with the styling of the cards perhaps there was potential for some Yellow style Clairvoyant reading of card backs to interpret the numbers ? Whilst we do seem to get a lot of games where a majority team can win, these sort of games also seem to create some of the better moments of "Genius".
Anyway - Thanks for the upload and I look forward to the next episode. The game for next week as always looked fun.
Main match is so bad this episode it was over before it began. Death match kind of make up for it. But still, I think this is the worst episode this season so far.
Also I didn't get a good look at the card backs but with the styling of the cards perhaps there was potential for some Yellow style Clairvoyant reading of card backs to interpret the numbers ? Whilst we do seem to get a lot of games where a majority team can win, these sort of games also seem to create some of the better moments of "Genius".
Oh god Hyunmin !
I would have been so mad if Hyunmin lost that death match :s
There was a secret on the back of the cards, but it would have been useless in this situation :s
Jongbum was pretty impressive with his memorization, but the deathmatch was not. Still, glad that dongmin and hyunmin are still on the show. I wonder how the next episodes will play out. Good series but I REALLY hate main matches that can completely shut players down. they're weak IMO.
Also I didn't get a good look at the card backs but with the styling of the cards perhaps there was potential for some Yellow style Clairvoyant reading of card backs to interpret the numbers ? Whilst we do seem to get a lot of games where a majority team can win, these sort of games also seem to create some of the better moments of "Genius".
Oh god Hyunmin !
I would have been so mad if Hyunmin lost that death match :s
There was a secret on the back of the cards, but it would have been useless in this situation :s
Actually if they knew they could have used the same number as the 2 weakest links, namely the 2 girls, so neither can win and only 1 token can be given to them, for an easier deathmatch and more probable black mission fail.
I really hope its one of the girls, to make the games more interesting. On one hand, it's good to keep them because they're not as big of a threat and easy to bring over to your side. On the other hand they SHOULD be easy pickings for any players now, and I doubt the players want to take risks anymore
Personally don't watch The Genius, but I'm surprised Jang Dong Min is in there for as long as he is. On shows he stars/guests in, such as Running Man, Happy Together, and I am a Man, he seems somewhat airheaded, but I guess his quick wit helps out with the show a lot.
On November 20 2014 21:49 Ahzz wrote: I really hope its one of the girls, to make the games more interesting. On one hand, it's good to keep them because they're not as big of a threat and easy to bring over to your side. On the other hand they SHOULD be easy pickings for any players now, and I doubt the players want to take risks anymore
I still believe Yeonjoo is some secret super genius that's just acting like an easy prey for others to save for later. She'll beat either Hyunmin or Dongmin in the semis deathmatch with pure rng luck for maximum salt then proceed to 2-0 the other in the finals.
Looking forward to this episode a lot. I definately hope one of the girls will go out this episode. For some reason, also in the past seasons, the guys seem to be way more interesting than the girls. That being said I hope Yeonjoo can step it up next episode as we haven't seen anything from her thusfar.
(Vote): Jang DongMin(Comedian) (Vote): Kim Yoohyun(Pro Poker Player) (Vote): Ha Yeon Joo(Actress) (Vote): Choi Yeonseung(Oriental Doctor) (Vote): Oh Hyunmin(KAIST Student)
IMO Jang Dongmin is going to go next. I'm probably wrong on this, but he's my least favorite that's left.
I loved Ahyoung, i can't believe it!!!! She was like the most entertaining person in the whole show ... At least Yeonjoo and her overload of cuteness is still left. I dont understand how when they realized that Yoohyun was going for the loss, why didn't they then set up Ahyoung or Yeonjoo to win? b/c there were definitely enough rounds left to make one of them girls win and give the immunity to the other girl, then Yoohyun would have had to pick between the 2 ppl who can take him out 1v1 AND then whoever got chosen could do the black mission and force a Yoohyun vs. Yeonseung final (which is what Dongmin ultimately wanted anyways...it was still in his grasp to get but he got greedy thinking "we need to save these black garnets for later")
Dat acting by Yeonjoo in the middle of the MM though...was so good, but she laid it on a little too thick i think. Still i would have fallen for it so badly.
Also, next episode it looks like Yeonseung is gonna try to make big moves. I have a feeling it'll blow up in his face and he'll get eliminated next. It'll be an interesting game though b/c + Show Spoiler +
it's gonna probably end up Yoohyun and Yeonseung vs. Hyunmin and Dongmin.....and both teams fighting over Yeonjoo. Hopefully she can survive, she's too adorable, i just wanna see more of her
On November 26 2014 15:18 Ryuhou)aS( wrote: Sad ep. + Show Spoiler +
I loved Ahyoung, i can't believe it!!!! She was like the most entertaining person in the whole show ... At least Yeonjoo and her overload of cuteness is still left. I dont understand how when they realized that Yoohyun was going for the loss, why didn't they then set up Ahyoung or Yeonjoo to win? b/c there were definitely enough rounds left to make one of them girls win and give the immunity to the other girl, then Yoohyun would have had to pick between the 2 ppl who can take him out 1v1 AND then whoever got chosen could do the black mission and force a Yoohyun vs. Yeonseung final (which is what Dongmin ultimately wanted anyways...it was still in his grasp to get but he got greedy thinking "we need to save these black garnets for later")
Dat acting by Yeonjoo in the middle of the MM though...was so good, but she laid it on a little too thick i think. Still i would have fallen for it so badly.
Also, next episode it looks like Yeonseung is gonna try to make big moves. I have a feeling it'll blow up in his face and he'll get eliminated next. It'll be an interesting game though b/c + Show Spoiler +
it's gonna probably end up Yoohyun and Yeonseung vs. Hyunmin and Dongmin.....and both teams fighting over Yeonjoo. Hopefully she can survive, she's too adorable, i just wanna see more of her
Honestly its good that ahyoung dropped out. It's quite clear she wasn't anything like a genius in this deathmatch. I hope that yeonjoo drops out too. Maybe they weren't boring and brought flavor to the episodes but one problem is that can way too easily be convinced to your side and manipulated. They never have anything to give to the show that could be called 'genius' IMO. If they leave we can perhaps have some actually strong competitors battle it out, and who can at least weigh their own options well enough and want to win rather than survive. Still, yeonjoo could show another side of her.
Also, Dongmin is treading a dangerous path here. It's not guaranteed he'd win a deathmatch vs anyone anymore, and he's making everyone stand on their toes around him.
where did u see yellow or sangmin in the preview? i only saw an idol , spme others i dont recognise and SLAYERS WIFUUUUU thats gonna be hell of an episode with her
lol i read it deuce and i dont really mind at all. And you can post about raws all you want just be more clear about what episode you're talking about. like put Episode 9 <space> <spoiler> or you can even put into the spoiler if you type spoiler=episode 9 + Show Spoiler [episode?] +
like that
in case you didn't know (I personally just learned this like a few weeks ago and have been using it quite a bit lately )
As much as I enjoy Ahyoung as eyecandy like the next man, I have to say that I am glad with the way this episode unfolded. It's a bit sad to see Ahyoung and Yeonjoo in the matches to be honest...I can't imagine Kyungran or Eunji from the first season handing over most of their garnets so meekly just to be "part of a team". The main match had a lot more potential but because they were so easily co-opted by Dongmin, it ended up being farcical.
It's doubly sad that Dongmin's "strategy" could have been so easily achieved. If he was serious about going to the deathmatch, he should have donated zero each round. I just can't see how Yoohyun and Yeonseung could beat them 2 v 4 to win the majority shareholder badge enough times.
Yoohyun chose the best strategy out of the paths left for him in this scenario and executed it well. To be honest, the show's editing is very bias (or maybe it is just me). Dongmin and Hyunmin effectively bullied the two girls into their team (good cop bad cop style), then completely abandoned them by giving no tokens of life or black garnets, yet come out relatively clean. Yoohyun, choosing the best strategy available, is portrayed as a psychological bully in the deathmatch when frankly Ahyoung was falling apart herself anyways. I think my Harvard friends would be very surprised that she had the ability to make it into the university on the basis of her performance on this show.
I hope Yeonjoo tries to play kingmaker between the two pairs in the next episode. She appears sharper than Ahyoung and hopefully can exploit her position by playing the two sides off. Also seems like Yeonseung is going to be more active next episode, which is great. His deathmatches earlier in the season seem to indicate that there is more to him than he has displayed so far on main matches.
As much as I enjoy Ahyoung as eyecandy like the next man, I have to say that I am glad with the way this episode unfolded. It's a bit sad to see Ahyoung and Yeonjoo in the matches to be honest...I can't imagine Kyungran or Eunji from the first season handing over most of their garnets so meekly just to be "part of a team". The main match had a lot more potential but because they were so easily co-opted by Dongmin, it ended up being farcical.
It's doubly sad that Dongmin's "strategy" could have been so easily achieved. If he was serious about going to the deathmatch, he should have donated zero each round. I just can't see how Yoohyun and Yeonseung could beat them 2 v 4 to win the majority shareholder badge enough times.
Yoohyun chose the best strategy out of the paths left for him in this scenario and executed it well. To be honest, the show's editing is very bias (or maybe it is just me). Dongmin and Hyunmin effectively bullied the two girls into their team (good cop bad cop style), then completely abandoned them by giving no tokens of life or black garnets, yet come out relatively clean. Yoohyun, choosing the best strategy available, is portrayed as a psychological bully in the deathmatch when frankly Ahyoung was falling apart herself anyways. I think my Harvard friends would be very surprised that she had the ability to make it into the university on the basis of her performance on this show.
I hope Yeonjoo tries to play kingmaker between the two pairs in the next episode. She appears sharper than Ahyoung and hopefully can exploit her position by playing the two sides off. Also seems like Yeonseung is going to be more active next episode, which is great. His deathmatches earlier in the season seem to indicate that there is more to him than he has displayed so far on main matches.
This is according to my interpretation after watching it twice: Dongmin's strategy is based on the most important premise of Hyunmin coming first for the two tokens. The girls were fully aware of this before they agreed on the alliance and handed over the garnets for deposit. (The two girls could have gone to form their own team of two to fight the other two pairs, but they didn't. That would make for a more interesting prospect.) The money belongs to individual, not pooled. The purpose of having more people is to optimise their cash allocation so as not to clash with each other, not for money pooling. Dongmin needs Hyunmin to be guaranteed the top placing in order for his plan to succeed, provided the other side is not aware of his strategy (which Yeonjoo unfortunately leaked), because he wants them to split their money between investments and donations unlike Hyunmin who targets investments. The normal logic in this game is to avoid miser so that would make players put some money in donations which reduces their budget for major shareholder. However, if Dongmin starts collecting misers and make them realise his strategy too early, then they will stop putting money in donation and instead concentrate on investments to reduce Hyunmin's chance from getting as many major shareholders for a sure win. This became important after Yeonjoo leaked his plan to Yoohyun, so they had to assume that Yoohyun's team might start an early counter. If it ends up that Dongmin really got last and Hyunmin didn't come in first, then both of them would be in danger.
While I do agree that she had a stronger performance in this episode, this still doesn't make her in any way a strong player imo. One deathmatch alone doesn't make her anything special, and even the deathmatch was played very much unoptimally. She was able to pick silence which was proven to be a strong pick since the first game. In the deathmatch she never used her double move, not even at the end, and she won mainly because the poker player broke down. Still, I'm glad she was able to show that she has impact, I can't deny that. I still hope that she drops out next.
While I do agree that she had a stronger performance in this episode, this still doesn't make her in any way a strong player imo. One deathmatch alone doesn't make her anything special, and even the deathmatch was played very much unoptimally. She was able to pick silence which was proven to be a strong pick since the first game. In the deathmatch she never used her double move, not even at the end, and she won mainly because the poker player broke down. Still, I'm glad she was able to show that she has impact, I can't deny that. I still hope that she drops out next.
She's reminding me a little bit of Junghyun from last season - seemingly a useless tagalong for most of the game, then unexpectedly wins a couple of deathmatches and looks like a real threat. Could Yeonjoo do something similar?
Yeonjoo did well for DM for her unorthodox route but it was Yoohyun who caused his own downfall. For the DM, she did right by working with Yeonseung who together with his and her partners drove the MM game. A big part was also due to their draw of luck which enabled them to pick some really powerful cards. Good to see Yeonseung rising up to the occasion and posing a real challenge to the Double Min alliance, unlike Yoohyun who couldn't man up. This makes for more exciting matchup.
On November 20 2014 21:49 Ahzz wrote: I really hope its one of the girls, to make the games more interesting. On one hand, it's good to keep them because they're not as big of a threat and easy to bring over to your side. On the other hand they SHOULD be easy pickings for any players now, and I doubt the players want to take risks anymore
I still believe Yeonjoo is some secret super genius that's just acting like an easy prey for others to save for later. She'll beat either Hyunmin or Dongmin in the semis deathmatch with pure rng luck for maximum salt then proceed to 2-0 the other in the finals.
While I do agree that she had a stronger performance in this episode, this still doesn't make her in any way a strong player imo. One deathmatch alone doesn't make her anything special, and even the deathmatch was played very much unoptimally. She was able to pick silence which was proven to be a strong pick since the first game. In the deathmatch she never used her double move, not even at the end, and she won mainly because the poker player broke down. Still, I'm glad she was able to show that she has impact, I can't deny that. I still hope that she drops out next.
About the DM, both players were never in a position to use the double chance. Yeonjoo was never in danger of losing and Yoohyun never got past 6 squares or something. And Yoohyun choking shouldn't take away anything from Yeonjoo's win. It's not like they both choked, one just harder than the other. Yeonjoo also started the deathmatch prepared with plans like associating successful turns with korean letters and getting to the other starting position as soon as possible(her first 2 steps were both towards Yoohyun. Her third would've been the same if not for the wall.) while Yoohyun just brute-forced his way out of his starting point as if it's his first time playing the game.
On November 20 2014 21:49 Ahzz wrote: I really hope its one of the girls, to make the games more interesting. On one hand, it's good to keep them because they're not as big of a threat and easy to bring over to your side. On the other hand they SHOULD be easy pickings for any players now, and I doubt the players want to take risks anymore
I still believe Yeonjoo is some secret super genius that's just acting like an easy prey for others to save for later. She'll beat either Hyunmin or Dongmin in the semis deathmatch with pure rng luck for maximum salt then proceed to 2-0 the other in the finals.
While I do agree that she had a stronger performance in this episode, this still doesn't make her in any way a strong player imo. One deathmatch alone doesn't make her anything special, and even the deathmatch was played very much unoptimally. She was able to pick silence which was proven to be a strong pick since the first game. In the deathmatch she never used her double move, not even at the end, and she won mainly because the poker player broke down. Still, I'm glad she was able to show that she has impact, I can't deny that. I still hope that she drops out next.
About the DM, both players were never in a position to use the double chance. Yeonjoo was never in danger of losing and Yoohyun never got past 6 squares or something. And Yoohyun choking shouldn't take away anything from Yeonjoo's win. It's not like they both choked, one just harder than the other. Yeonjoo also started the deathmatch prepared with plans like associating successful turns with korean letters and getting to the other starting position as soon as possible(her first 2 steps were both towards Yoohyun. Her third would've been the same if not for the wall.) while Yoohyun just brute-forced his way out of his starting point as if it's his first time playing the game.
That DM was nothing special really. If Yoohyun hadn't broke down like that, there's no way in hell Yeonjoo could've won. The strategy she used could easily be foiled if Yoohuyn just remembered the path he took, since it would take her like 3 more turns to get to that point anyway. If you replace Yoohuyn with any of the other 3, I'm sure Yeonjoo will not stand a chance.
I agree with the poster above that in a sense, Yeonjoo is a lot like Junghoon from ss2. Both have good social skills that enable them to just tag along and be occasional winners of the main matches. But in death matches, I think Yeonjoo will be a lot weaker than Junghoon. I'd be surprised if she survive the next episode, especially with the arrival of Jinho and Sangmin, who most likely will not support her
While I do agree that she had a stronger performance in this episode, this still doesn't make her in any way a strong player imo. One deathmatch alone doesn't make her anything special, and even the deathmatch was played very much unoptimally. She was able to pick silence which was proven to be a strong pick since the first game. In the deathmatch she never used her double move, not even at the end, and she won mainly because the poker player broke down. Still, I'm glad she was able to show that she has impact, I can't deny that. I still hope that she drops out next.
She's reminding me a little bit of Junghyun from last season - seemingly a useless tagalong for most of the game, then unexpectedly wins a couple of deathmatches and looks like a real threat. Could Yeonjoo do something similar?
Totally agree with this. I still don't think this person is that capable, but there's no more optimal strategy for the main matches than "do nothing and let all the other people fight it out". It doesn't make for good TV but it gets you far in the season while learning the other people's strengths and weaknesses, one of which was exploited in the death match.
So disappointed with Yeonseung completely ignoring the power he had from the win.
Although it's understandable that he had no real interest in choosing a player to go into the deathmatch I feel it was extremely silly not to leverage that position to extract some value knowing that Dongmin wanted to save Hyunmin. I'm pretty sure he could have pulled normal/black garnets from Dongmin (although nobody knows the value of black garnets at this stage) in order to let him have his way.
At the very worst he could at least have tried to create a bit more of a scene where it's clearly Dongmin + Hyunmin vs Yeonseung + Yoohyun + Yeonjoo so that if there's a repeat of last season's ability of players to assist one of the finalists he might secure himself a couple of assists.
Instead he rolled over and gave Dongmin what he wanted for free? Ugh.
that was complete choke by yoohuyn...he could have gone back and forth to waste the 3 moves and keep letting yeojoo discovering the route for him, once she was one square there was only 2 possible route, left up or left left up, he could use a double and get there almost instantly...complete fail
On December 05 2014 17:48 Tchiz wrote: Guys, i don't want to click on spoilers, but did you manage to watch the episode 10 ? how ? where ? with subs ? i need it
10 raw is out, subs usually out on tuesday from memory
On December 05 2014 17:48 Tchiz wrote: Guys, i don't want to click on spoilers, but did you manage to watch the episode 10 ? how ? where ? with subs ? i need it
10 raw is out, subs usually out on tuesday from memory
Any time between basically now (although that was on Thanksgiving week) and Tuesday. Most have come out during the weekend.
On December 05 2014 17:48 Tchiz wrote: Guys, i don't want to click on spoilers, but did you manage to watch the episode 10 ? how ? where ? with subs ? i need it
Initially thought Jang Dong Min was a really smart player, but turns out he was the shittiest player out of the top 5-6.... He's lucky that he gets his ass carried every single time by that young KAIST student... He would have participated in many more deathmatches and been gone by now already...
On December 06 2014 11:38 SwARmZzz wrote: Initially thought Jang Dong Min was a really smart player, but turns out he was the shittiest player out of the top 5-6.... He's lucky that he gets his ass carried every single time by that young KAIST student... He would have participated in many more deathmatches and been gone by now already...
he's alright i think he just relies more on his personality to carry him at times. his performance has definitely been suffering and ep 10 i think was the pinnacle of his failures
Hyunmin is incredibly smart. Once again knowing how to play the game once it's revealed. I'm kinda iffy about the episode preview, especially since it's a game based on social interaction, and it's from previous players. We're already down to final 3, why is this happening?
I'm a little sad about that deathmatch. It just felt like a bunch of misplays by both players and Dongmin happened to be the one to make it out on top. Also, Yeonjoo continued her trend of doing-whatever-someone-else-told-her-to during the main game. Maybe that's a way to stay alive in the Genius, but it doesn't feel like her performance was top 4 worthy.
On December 08 2014 19:49 Doraemon wrote: my god dongmin got so lucky...Jinhohyunmin has proven again he is probably the smartest player there.
wow things are getting really interesting. Even though Dongmin hasn't performed so well recently, I'd say that he still made really good plays and reads throughout the season. However, that too may have been achieved through heavy editing. Dunno. Still, part of being a genius is being able to maintain your composure, perform well in deathmatches etc. Yeonseung has really made it clear that he's a genius. Hyunmin too, without a doubt. Dongmin still has something to prove.
dongmin and hyunmin manipulated and orchestrated the results of almost all the main games in the middle rounds. they are the best combo but it's clear that dongmin's strength is social skills and hyunmin's strength is deduction.
Probably helps that Yellow came back to kick ass! I agree with all the criticisms of Dongmin, and it is true he relied on a terrible mistake to win the deathmatch, but to be honest I was quite impressed with the way he handled the situation when he was on a bad streak.
I've had bad days where everything seemed to be going against me, and I think if I were in Dongmin's situation, I might have caved when there were two spots left and not try a final gambit (or at least not pull it off so well). As with sports and life in general, being able to scrape out a win when the day is not going well is also very important.
Meh. Seems like Yeonjoo just completely forgot about the 2nd win condition. She knew it was impossible(she asked something like "There are no 3-way tiles, right?") and she was like "O wait you can do that?" when Dongmin called it. Dongmin's YOLO last move was very much like Ahyoung's YOLO 2 points vs Juri. Not very impressive for his first DM.
Anyone has a clue as to the extent to which the games/conversations are scripted? I just watched Season 1 Episode 1 with some buddies of mine and we enjoyed it quite a bit, but were unsure if what we saw was genuine (as genuine as that kind of stuff can be anyway ;D).
Maximum scriptedness would be: they all know the winner in advance and read a text when they speak. Minimum scriptedness would be: each participant is given individual hidden cues like "go talk to Kim Bla bla in room A" or "you could use X strat to win the game, you can discuss it with another player" and they record the relevant clutch conversations and events.
On December 10 2014 08:44 ZenithM wrote: Anyone has a clue as to the extent to which the games/conversations are scripted? I just watched Season 1 Episode 1 with some buddies of mine and we enjoyed it quite a bit, but were unsure if what we saw was genuine (as genuine as that kind of stuff can be anyway ;D).
Maximum scriptedness would be: they all know the winner in advance and read a text when they speak. Minimum scriptedness would be: each participant is given individual hidden cues like "go talk to Kim Bla bla in room A" or "you could use X strat to win the game, you can discuss it with another player" and they record the relevant clutch conversations and events.
as far as i know, there's no scripting at all, they just figure that shit out on their own (like strategy x, or who to talk with or w/e)...but there's a large amount of editing done.
edit: also season 1 is so good, best season, all the ppl are better than seasons 2/3
On December 10 2014 08:44 ZenithM wrote: Anyone has a clue as to the extent to which the games/conversations are scripted? I just watched Season 1 Episode 1 with some buddies of mine and we enjoyed it quite a bit, but were unsure if what we saw was genuine (as genuine as that kind of stuff can be anyway ;D).
Maximum scriptedness would be: they all know the winner in advance and read a text when they speak. Minimum scriptedness would be: each participant is given individual hidden cues like "go talk to Kim Bla bla in room A" or "you could use X strat to win the game, you can discuss it with another player" and they record the relevant clutch conversations and events.
Only part that ever felt scripted to me was after they announce the title of the main game, they zoom in on someone's confused/dumbfounded face lol.
Other than that it seems like the show producers just told the players to always be speaking their minds so that they can have enough good material to patch together.
On December 10 2014 08:44 ZenithM wrote: Anyone has a clue as to the extent to which the games/conversations are scripted? I just watched Season 1 Episode 1 with some buddies of mine and we enjoyed it quite a bit, but were unsure if what we saw was genuine (as genuine as that kind of stuff can be anyway ;D).
Maximum scriptedness would be: they all know the winner in advance and read a text when they speak. Minimum scriptedness would be: each participant is given individual hidden cues like "go talk to Kim Bla bla in room A" or "you could use X strat to win the game, you can discuss it with another player" and they record the relevant clutch conversations and events.
They clearly have been addressing some of the problems over later seasons to make it clear that the games are not fixed or rigged to help a particular person win (EDIT: or make it less obvious or harder to spot). As with most reality TV, it's hard to know how much conversations are flowing organically versus being fed to some degree by the producers, although they clearly place snacks and drinks strategically before the games start to force people to talk and probably they're told to discuss and explain the games.
Well, the finals are kind of expected considering the editors and writers have continuously built up the hype of a possible Hyunmin and Dongmin clash. While Dongmin showed some impressive feats, he's more than lucky to have made it this far. Especially his very first death match should've stopped his run, and seeing him being proud not going down against Yeonjoo (the throw was real) feels pretty weak to me. He's done well coming this far and contributed a lot to achieve it, but I can't help but feel that people like Yoohyun, Yeonseung and Jongbum should've been in Dongmin's spot. There's a reason for them dropping out while Dongmin's still around, but I would've liked to see Dongmin fighting his way through to the finals without someone as impressive as Hyunmin simply because he got carried by his dongsaeng quite often.
That being said, I'd be very surprised to see Dongmin winning against Hyunmin. It seems unlikely
Well, the finals are kind of expected considering the editors and writers have continuously built up the hype of a possible Hyunmin and Dongmin clash. While Dongmin showed some impressive feats, he's more than lucky to have made it this far. Especially his very first death match should've stopped his run, and seeing him being proud not going down against Yeonjoo (the throw was real) feels pretty weak to me. He's done well coming this far and contributed a lot to achieve it, but I can't help but feel that people like Yoohyun, Yeonseung and Jongbum should've been in Dongmin's spot. There's a reason for them dropping out while Dongmin's still around, but I would've liked to see Dongmin fighting his way through to the finals without someone as impressive as Hyunmin simply because he got carried by his dongsaeng quite often.
That being said, I'd be very surprised to see Dongmin winning against Hyunmin. It seems unlikely
Honestly, if the genius was all about simple mathematical calculation then that may have been the case, but as social skills are taken to account it adds up for dongmin to be in the finals. Besides, he's clearly not bad at these games either, though yeonseung would probably be stronger on some games. Still, Hyunmin allied up with dongmin for a reason. He had enough to offer that it would benefit both of them, and he had enough input too. Still, I do think that we got the best finals we could get, even if the editors happen to hype it up more than its worth. Maybe they do, maybe they don't.
Hyunmin is really imperssive. Once again he sees through a game right off the bat, if his opponent didn't make careful preparations for that in mind, he's doomed. What a guy.
Amazing amazing amzigng final! Be patient and do not click on the next spoiler if you havent seen it yet.+ Show Spoiler +
THAT was rather impressive win by DongMin. I underestimated him by a large margin. For me, this has been the best finals yet. Also, this episode shows you Dongmin's greatest strength which is his ability to make allies. It sure paid off big time. I was fairly disappointed by the last two finals, but this one really hit the spot for me. Enjoyed this season very much, hope to see the next season soon. EDIT: Deleted how awesome this episode was for me outside the spoiler so that people don't watch with too high of expectation. Lower the expectation, the better it gets!
The difference in items 8:3 stripped down Hyunmin's chance of winning and belittled Dongmin's win. After watching the episode, I'm still not sure Dongmin was the better player unlike the 2 previous finals.
The difference in items 8:3 stripped down Hyunmin's chance of winning and belittled Dongmin's win. After watching the episode, I'm still not sure Dongmin was the better player unlike the 2 previous finals.
i would only partly agree... the items didn't really play a huge role in any of the games imo. its true that the first two games were more "skilled" based whereas the last game was more of a mind game, but part of winning in the show is being able to mind game your opponents
The difference in items 8:3 stripped down Hyunmin's chance of winning and belittled Dongmin's win. After watching the episode, I'm still not sure Dongmin was the better player unlike the 2 previous finals.
i would only partly agree... the items didn't really play a huge role in any of the games imo. its true that the first two games were more "skilled" based whereas the last game was more of a mind game, but part of winning in the show is being able to mind game your opponents
I agree. Dongmin was a good match for Hyunmin even in the first game he lost in, and he did not use item to reverse move, likely due to pride. I thought Dongmin would lose badly in the second game, but I was wrong. He showed great finesse to win a game which tested both maths and memory, something we would think Hyunmin would blaze through comfortably. In the third game, Dongmin even guessed Hyunmin's move for the card that was given to only Hyunmin. Hyunmin was visibly deflated and made a bad mistake in rushing a fatal move, and he never recovered. I find this final even more exciting than the previous two seasons' as both players were on par most of the time in their moves and counter-moves.
I was very critical of dong min's game earlier due to his poor performances in main matches, getting carried all the time by hyun min and really deserving to be eliminated in his only deathmatch, but he finally made up for all that with his performance in the finals... Damn, when he called that double during the second match, got goosebumps... Was also very surprised by how many supporters he had amongst his competitors, thought the assists would be much more even than what it was... Congratz to the winner and hopefully 2nd place finisher can try again next season....
The finals were satisfying. On pure logic and calculation, hyunmin was better but the games measure more than that, it's also social genius and mind games and memory. Hyunmin is clearly stronger in some aspects, but dongmin did great and he was never the big underdog imo. The bonuspoints etc gained through items also measured social skill, but he did win by a larger margin than 2 or 3 so it's fine (though it surely got on huynmins nerves)
Throughout the season I was always frustrated that the contestants didn't do enough to spoil the Hyunmin/Dongmin finale pact, but that was a very impressive performance by both players.
At first I thought the 8:3 advantage would completely spoil the finale, but it didn't turn out like that. Although Dongmin had superior intel for the final game, Hyunmin was aware of his knowledge and it was really a mindgame battle. Dongmin showed he was much stronger at mindgames than Hyunmin and won by that skill.
On May 26 2015 10:00 SwARmZzz wrote: Any announcements on potential contestants?
Clefairy/bumdi said it might be an all-star season, but later backtracked. Someone dug up a suspicious Instagram post from Doohee. Filming should be starting right about now...
Damn going to cheer for Jinho hard in this one, several of his strategies in season 1 just had me amazed. It was almost like I was watching Liar Game in real life.
Dong min living up to his nickname "God Dong Min" Got to say though, the main match was a little underwhelming... Too many variables coming into place...
As devoted fan of Starcraft and especially Boxer, I'm sad with how the deathmatch turned out but it was excellent and understandable performance from Dong Min and I guess Lim Yo Hwan could have gone out on much worse way.
Interesting that Korean apparently doesn't have a word for "humble pie" or "shit sandwich". They should come up with one to describe both matches today because that was ugly.
Brutal. Sad to see such a great schemer leave, but this is the genius, and one can argue that understanding hierarchy and social settings and playing them to your advantage is also part of being a genius, not just scheming and logical thinking. Sangmin gambled too much, too early. At this point when there are so many players gambling means you lose way more people than you do with fewer players.
Sangmin made a season error from the start by teaming up with Kyunghoon, who has proven himself a terribly unreliable spoiler and wild card, he's more like a loose cannon. Sangmin is also unfortunate they picked a game with chance built in for the death match instead of a more pure deal-making game like Quattro.
But there is a weird thing that some of the lesser players who aren't good at deal-making or at strategizing like Jungmoon, Yoonsun, Yoohyun, Kyungran, and Yeonseung need to keep Kyunghoon around to bring down and ruin Dongmin, Hyunmin, and Jinho. Junseok is also a wild card but he's a lot better at keeping his head down and thus maintaining people's trust, more like Sunggyu as the king of wild cards in these games. The game needs him so it's not an inevitable picking off of the crowd where Dongmin and Hyunmin can conspire themselves into the finals like season 3.
Ahhh, I binge watched the first season when I discovered it, and followed season two religiously, but I didn't even know there was a third season until a short time ago...I watched the third season so fast I could see garnets and chips in my sleep...
on the latest episode, I totally called Junseok with the extra fried rice...but I thought it was a mindgame, him realizing that Dongmin was selling their team out to Sangmin, so to ruin the plan he could put whatever Jinho was told to put...but instead Kyunghoon just straight up told him what they were doing LMAO. I guess Dongmin's double dealing is still concealed for now, and perhaps Kyunghoon will be upset with Junseok.
Now I'm curious as to how the players will react to Kyunghoon - he completely threw the main match but dominated the deathmatch. I'm actually a little sympathetic to him - he said he wants to show loyalty, but you can't be loyal to multiple sides, and it's tough to show a loyal image when the person you're loyal to orders you to betray the rest of the team lol. Besides, hopefully he'll mix things up so the alliances don't solidify too much.
After seasons two and three, there's definitely nothing more frustrating than watching a big majority alliance just grind out the outcasts - the weak players in the alliance get carried harder than they deserve and the creative but socially unaware players just fight at a disadvantage week after week after week instead of actually doing something about it