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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
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Evil_Monkey_
Denmark296 Posts
When a tv-series tries to take itself seriously, it should have something like a semi-intelligent plot & a little grain of plausibility. Hannibal the series is trying to be something it's not and it's a shame because it could have been good, they've got the actors, money & Film Crew. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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manicsquare
176 Posts
On May 05 2014 02:41 Evil_Monkey_ wrote: Come on, the amount of serial killers in an area with few people is too high, with an insanely high percentage of them being treated by Hannibal. In addition, they even do an episode where they have a 'black' Hannibal, as if one Hannibal wasn't enough and for some crazy reason psychiatrists & violinists also know Kung Fu like battle techniques. Both make very illogical and risky decisions, so we can have a black Hannibal vs white Hannibal fight which white of course wins. The plausibility & the writing in this show are really really a lifetime low for actors like Fishbourne and Mikkelsen. Simoultaneously, they are butchering great books & great originial movies. When a tv-series tries to take itself seriously, it should have something like a semi-intelligent plot & a little grain of plausibility. Hannibal the series is trying to be something it's not and it's a shame because it could have been good, they've got the actors, money & Film Crew. While I agree about the amount of serial killers they show all being live and operating at the same time gets a bit ridiculous at times that's not the point of the show. The show isn't trying to be plausible it gives up plausibility to try to be more atmospheric. Think of the show as a really dark fairy tale instead of a realistic serial killer thriller. And in response to them messing with the movies and books Bryan Fuller has said that he wants to use those more for inspirations instead of having to follow them religiously. Also I'm curious as to what you consider great original movies. I would argue only Silence of the Lambs and Manhunter are really worth watching with the former being the only movie that really can compete in quality with the show. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On May 05 2014 04:20 manicsquare wrote: While I agree about the amount of serial killers they show all being live and operating at the same time gets a bit ridiculous at times that's not the point of the show. The show isn't trying to be plausible it gives up plausibility to try to be more atmospheric. Think of the show as a really dark fairy tale instead of a realistic serial killer thriller. And in response to them messing with the movies and books Bryan Fuller has said that he wants to use those more for inspirations instead of having to follow them religiously. Also I'm curious as to what you consider great original movies. I would argue only Silence of the Lambs and Manhunter are really worth watching with the former being the only movie that really can compete in quality with the show. Bryan Fuller also said that he wants this show to be what if Hitchcock and Lynch collaborated together. Hitchcock for the suspense induction and Lynch for the fantastical and surrealistic graphics. I think this show fulfill exactly those two criteria. | ||
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manicsquare
176 Posts
I also like how Fuller is willing to kill off pretty much any character to add suspense. | ||
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
And then Will sets up a display of the guy he killed in the middle of a museum? ya that really sounds like something Will would do, how in-character of him. Whatever, of course there's no guards or security cameras in the museum. The investigating teams of these "gruesome displays" is basically morpheus asking will/hannibal their opinion on what happened, and of course nobody suspects them. Any amateur forensic team can solve any of these cases. Remember when hannibal got gideon out of a secured hospital room without anyone noticing? Instead of checking security footage and asking for witnesses, lets bring Will and Hannibal over to ask their opinions about what happened. This joke forensics team also came to the conclusion that Chilton was the chesapeake ripper, case closed! *rolls eyes* | ||
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HyDrA_solic
Portugal491 Posts
On May 05 2014 09:19 Assault_1 wrote: what a fucking stupid episode, I'm supposed to believe Will killed that hydraulic beast with his fists? LOL. Will has a shotgun in his hand and just drops it, cuz we all forgot, 100 pound nerd Will Graham is actually a pro MMA fighter. And then Will sets up a display of the guy he killed in the middle of a museum? ya that really sounds like something Will would do, how in-character of him. Whatever, of course there's no guards or security cameras in the museum. The investigating teams of these "gruesome displays" is basically morpheus asking will/hannibal their opinion on what happened, and of course nobody suspects them. Any amateur forensic team can solve any of these cases. Remember when hannibal got gideon out of a secured hospital room without anyone noticing? Instead of checking security footage and asking for witnesses, lets bring Will and Hannibal over to ask their opinions about what happened. This joke forensics team also came to the conclusion that Chilton was the chesapeake ripper, case closed! *rolls eyes* Do you even get any of this show, at all? Seriously.. | ||
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Evil_Monkey_
Denmark296 Posts
On May 05 2014 09:19 Assault_1 wrote: what a fucking stupid episode, I'm supposed to believe Will killed that hydraulic beast with his fists? LOL. Will has a shotgun in his hand and just drops it, cuz we all forgot, 100 pound nerd Will Graham is actually a pro MMA fighter. And then Will sets up a display of the guy he killed in the middle of a museum? ya that really sounds like something Will would do, how in-character of him. Whatever, of course there's no guards or security cameras in the museum. The investigating teams of these "gruesome displays" is basically morpheus asking will/hannibal their opinion on what happened, and of course nobody suspects them. Any amateur forensic team can solve any of these cases. Remember when hannibal got gideon out of a secured hospital room without anyone noticing? Instead of checking security footage and asking for witnesses, lets bring Will and Hannibal over to ask their opinions about what happened. This joke forensics team also came to the conclusion that Chilton was the chesapeake ripper, case closed! *rolls eyes* Finally, someone who shares some of my sentiments about the writing. Anyway, all in all I just think they could've done better with the resources available to them. | ||
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manicsquare
176 Posts
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Painmaker
Uruguay230 Posts
On May 05 2014 02:41 Evil_Monkey_ wrote: Come on, the amount of serial killers in an area with few people is too high, with an insanely high percentage of them being treated by Hannibal. In addition, they even do an episode where they have a 'black' Hannibal, as if one Hannibal wasn't enough and for some crazy reason psychiatrists & violinists also know Kung Fu like battle techniques. Both make very illogical and risky decisions, so we can have a black Hannibal vs white Hannibal fight which white of course wins. The plausibility & the writing in this show are really really a lifetime low for actors like Fishbourne and Mikkelsen. Simoultaneously, they are butchering great books & great originial movies. When a tv-series tries to take itself seriously, it should have something like a semi-intelligent plot & a little grain of plausibility. Hannibal the series is trying to be something it's not and it's a shame because it could have been good, they've got the actors, money & Film Crew. No! Shut up! The show is great! We don't need your gritty realizmzzz in here! Get out! Seriously though, the show's atmosphere does a good enough job for me that I don't thin about how utterly insane it is. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On May 05 2014 09:19 Assault_1 wrote: what a fucking stupid episode, I'm supposed to believe Will killed that hydraulic beast with his fists? LOL. Will has a shotgun in his hand and just drops it, cuz we all forgot, 100 pound nerd Will Graham is actually a pro MMA fighter. And then Will sets up a display of the guy he killed in the middle of a museum? ya that really sounds like something Will would do, how in-character of him. Whatever, of course there's no guards or security cameras in the museum. The investigating teams of these "gruesome displays" is basically morpheus asking will/hannibal their opinion on what happened, and of course nobody suspects them. Any amateur forensic team can solve any of these cases. Remember when hannibal got gideon out of a secured hospital room without anyone noticing? Instead of checking security footage and asking for witnesses, lets bring Will and Hannibal over to ask their opinions about what happened. This joke forensics team also came to the conclusion that Chilton was the chesapeake ripper, case closed! *rolls eyes* I find it funny that it looks like we are watching entirely different show lol (no offense here). I think I can see why some people say it is unreal/stupid etc, and the key point here is that, Hannibal doesn't spoonfeed the viewers like most of the entertainment products out there nowadays. About that part where Will owned the beast guy, oh yes we are pretty surprised that he crushed the mechanical bone mask but that only shows that how powerful and smart he is, that he knew that he can still own the beast guy without the gun (the meaning is actually bigger than what i wrote here), and when the demon/killer/sociopath side inside takes control over him he can be a mad MMA fighter yes. Too far-fetched? Well, if 'far fetched' is the word showed up in your mind after watching Hannibal episodes, i don't think it is a right show for the person. And on a rather scientific point of view, fight or flight effect definitely possible to allow Will to do so (i am actually very nitpicking when it comes to human science etc) while i wouldn't mind to see bigger wound on Will's hands but that will give him straight away to morpheus so it is understandable... And no, we don't know 100% if will set up the beast guy in the museum....(but i think it is quite obvious that it is the work of Hannibal, caused he told will to go rest etc...). And when you do something like that in a place with cctv, we automatically assume that hannibal is wearing something that won't show his identity (obviously something more than that killer suit) or he used some other method to achieve the same purpose (turning off cctv etc). The team did suspect them, thats what the last few episodes of season1 and more than half of this season2 about lol. We get episodes to clear out Will and then now they are setting a trap for Hannibal since 2-4 episodes ago, and then we know that Morpheus will have a fight with Hannibal later. About the Chilton is the ripper part, the team was rather unsure about that (i thought it is pretty obvious...) and that's why alana was asking him questions but then the intern girl shot him. Suspect died, what can you do about it. Plot twist, Chilton might not be dead. Now back to my point again, this show doesn't spoon feed everything to the viewers. and about the secured hospital part...I'll tell you why it didn't bother me. 1.Hospital doesn't have that high level of cctv, for patient's privacy/confidentiality etc. You can argue that well they should have one or two for Gideon's room, 2.Hannibal found a way to overpass them anyway, and then he overpowered the guards (or was it just one guard/police) and made a scene. How did he do that? We don't know. Maybe he used a blindspot, maybe he cut off the cctv temporary etc. Why did that bother you lol this dude is a professional killing machine. 3.He has showed us many times what is he capable of, like he just walk up and open the door facing 2 police officers and he massacred them in Chilton house. Just because the dude wears smartly 24/7 doesn't mean that he can't have some assassin-like skills while not to say that he is a brainy guy (i think the last book of hannibal explained how did he gain his killing techniques through experience/childhood). anyway, compare to a supposedly realistic show like CSI, i can point out at least 10 technical 'unreal'/annoying flaws/plotholes in almost every episode but i still enjoyed it nonetheless (oh the show was excellent until Gil left  ). I guess it highly depends on the viewer choosing to watch the right show in the end of day. And, you know, this is a tvshow, I have never seen this quality of writing to cover so many episodes so well, most directors cant even put the story together in a 2.5 hours movie. | ||
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Ohnoitztotoro
United States45 Posts
On April 18 2014 23:39 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: I want to see Alana Bloom in bed with Hannibal and Graham. I can puke and cry at the same time. This is my design. + Show Spoiler + What we all took as a joke somehow came true hahaha. I could not stop thinking about this comment when I watched this past episode. Just when you thought it was bizarre for Hannibal, Will and Alana to be in the same bed, Fuller decides to blow your mind by including Margot and Stagman to the party. What is better than a psychological threesome? a five-some :D In regards to some people finding the show to be bad or too unrealistic, you are all entitled to your opinion. Of course everyone is different so the enjoyment each person gets from watching this show (or any other for that matter) will always differ. I honestly love this series though. There may be some unrealistic moments but overall I would have to disagree and say the show is far from being a poorly written story. I will be incredibly sad when season two ends. | ||
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Daray
6006 Posts
The scene where Will kills the beast with his bare hands was to show Will's inner beast or how he awoke it. I'm curious about him going full Hannibal though. Has he given up on himself and trying to become Hannibal (or something greater than Hannibal) to beat him in his own game or what. If you can't beat Hannibal Lecter, join him. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On May 06 2014 01:51 Ohnoitztotoro wrote: + Show Spoiler + What we all took as a joke somehow came true hahaha. I could not stop thinking about this comment when I watched this past episode. Just when you thought it was bizarre for Hannibal, Will and Alana to be in the same bed, Fuller decides to blow your mind by including Margot and Stagman to the party. What is better than a psychological threesome? a five-some :D In regards to some people finding the show to be bad or too unrealistic, you are all entitled to your opinion. Of course everyone is different so the enjoyment each person gets from watching this show (or any other for that matter) will always differ. I honestly love this series though. There may be some unrealistic moments but overall I would have to disagree and say the show is far from being a poorly written story. I will be incredibly sad when season two ends. I won't! Because that's when the fun REALLY starts. Hannibal WILL be discovered at end of this season. Season 3 will be Hannibal on the run from the cops so we REALLY get to see Hannibal's full form of going all out manipulation. And we will also witness Will Graham's deductive skills w/ the help of the FBI. So far, we are still in the first act of the series, we haven't even seen tension yet. | ||
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Ohnoitztotoro
United States45 Posts
On May 06 2014 11:31 Xiphos wrote: I won't! Because that's when the fun REALLY starts. Hannibal WILL be discovered at end of this season. Season 3 will be Hannibal on the run from the cops so we REALLY get to see Hannibal's full form of going all out manipulation. And we will also witness Will Graham's deductive skills w/ the help of the FBI. So far, we are still in the first act of the series, we haven't even seen tension yet. Haha I meant when the season ends and we have to wait in agony while they go ahead and shoot season 3. I'm fairly certain the series will make it. If NBC won't renew them I am sure some other channel will come in to grab this show but I wonder how long we'll have to wait before the deal finalizes. Might be an extra wait for that to happen before they start shooting for the next season D: For simplicity sake, I just hope NBC renews this quickly so we can all happily go insane while watching the new seasons. :D | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On May 07 2014 08:22 Ohnoitztotoro wrote: Haha I meant when the season ends and we have to wait in agony while they go ahead and shoot season 3. I'm fairly certain the series will make it. If NBC won't renew them I am sure some other channel will come in to grab this show but I wonder how long we'll have to wait before the deal finalizes. Might be an extra wait for that to happen before they start shooting for the next season D: For simplicity sake, I just hope NBC renews this quickly so we can all happily go insane while watching the new seasons. :D The schedule announcements for the fall season should be next week. Of course, if they do a Spring season again for Hannibal then this is useless. | ||
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Evil_Monkey_
Denmark296 Posts
On May 06 2014 04:23 Daray wrote: Some interesting stuff going on for sure. The scene where Will kills the beast with his bare hands was to show Will's inner beast or how he awoke it. I'm curious about him going full Hannibal though. Has he given up on himself and trying to become Hannibal (or something greater than Hannibal) to beat him in his own game or what. If you can't beat Hannibal Lecter, join him. Sorry for spoiling the plot.........but it's like 100% obvious that Will is hooking him like a fish -_-, this stuff being so painfully predictable is why they need new writers...... | ||
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Daray
6006 Posts
On May 08 2014 00:14 Evil_Monkey_ wrote: Sorry for spoiling the plot.........but it's like 100% obvious that Will is hooking him like a fish -_-, this stuff being so painfully predictable is why they need new writers...... Considering the show is about Will catching Hannibal im not expecting anything else. I'm just wondering if their take on it is that in order to beat evil you have to become evil yourself or whatever, kinda meh. | ||
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