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On June 07 2013 08:06 Neino wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 05:59 helvete wrote:On June 03 2013 03:47 Rebornlife wrote:On June 02 2013 22:29 karpotoss wrote:On June 02 2013 22:01 Nevermind86 wrote:On June 02 2013 21:42 karpotoss wrote:
So what is ultimately Hannibal's motive when it comes to Will? If he is aprreciating their 'friendship" why does he want will to go insane?
Also why was Abigail so freaked out when she noticed pillows were filled with hair couple episodes back? Didn't she know everything her dad was doing? As a big Hannibal fan I think I can guess these ones: He is afraid Will caughts him because he does have the skills to do it, and it's even implied in the series a couple of times when Will stares at Hannibal thinking that something just doesn't fit, but also Hannibal is insane, don't forget that, it seems to me that he likes to experiment with people to see how much he can push them, that's why he murdered Abigail Johnson's best friend, because she said she didn't care too much about her family but that she loved her friend like a sister (something common in teenagers), so he murdered her friend to see her suffer, even though he likes her. I wonder what happened when the hot psiquiatrist was alone with Hannibal in his house, and Hannibal said they should have an affair, because after that she seems pretty cold about Hannibal. I think they fucked and she didn't like it and will be revealed later on. I'm guessing the series will say that women can see Hannibal's true nature when having sex or something. Eeeeh it was already done in Dexter, besides Rita Generally people who do not experience emotion have a difficult time when they are having sex, as it would be purely physical for them. Their partner on the other hand generally sees sex as something very intimate and emotional. Its not that it's already "been done", it is a common trait of the psychopath. Psychopaths do have emotions. They just can't appreciate the fact that anyone else's emotions matter in the slightest. They also often have a very high sex drive. Combined with their lack of inhibitions that makes for one helluva passionate "bad boy" in bed. Dexter is a fictional character and not at all representative of real psychopaths. That said.. another Hannibal when I wake up tomorrow. Weeee! :D I thought psychopaths lacked emotions were as sociopaths only cares about their own? Haven't looked into the excact defintions, that was just my impression
The terms psychopath and sociopath are interchangeable. They are used in different fields of study, but they refer to the same entity.
As to a human completely lacking emotion.. just think about it for a bit. What would motivate such a person? Without emotion there is zero motivation. You can't use pure reason to really want anything, and you sure as hell wouldn't be able to manipulate anyone (or want to) if you couldn't understand what feelings were or how they motivate people.
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Psychopath/sociopath are often interchangable but a lot of psychologist use them to differentiate between neurological and psychological manifestations. For example a Psychopath as per Hares definition is neurologically, at birth [as near as we know] incapable of empathy, shallow emotional affect etc. Theres also some othere interesting cognitive defects such as inability to comprehend long term consequences, and language difficulties. A sociopath is more akin to anti social personality disorder. They feel guilt and so on, but are bastards due to upbringing. But as Helvete says there interchangeable a lot, it really depends on the individual psychologist.
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On June 08 2013 04:23 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Psychopath/sociopath are often interchangable but a lot of psychologist use them to differentiate between neurological and psychological manifestations. For example a Psychopath as per Hares definition is neurologically, at birth [as near as we know] incapable of empathy, shallow emotional affect etc. Theres also some othere interesting cognitive defects such as inability to comprehend long term consequences, and language difficulties. A sociopath is more akin to anti social personality disorder. They feel guilt and so on, but are bastards due to upbringing. But as Helvete says there interchangeable a lot, it really depends on the individual psychologist.
I wrote a paper last year in university on the effects trauma has on developing brains, and one conclusion I seemed to find universally is that children's brains are physically altered when they experience/witness/ traumatic events. Both singular (most often a physical event) and recurring events can cause "damage". The brain scans of many infamous crazies who we know were abused, etc. during their childhood showed abnormalities in similar regions every time. There seem to be mark-able differences from the scans of so called "evil children" who seemed to be on the wrong path from birth.
Edit: Although overall the scans show a very similar picture.
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On June 02 2013 21:42 karpotoss wrote:
So what is ultimately Hannibal's motive when it comes to Will? If he is aprreciating their 'friendship" why does he want will to go insane?
Also why was Abigail so freaked out when she noticed pillows were filled with hair couple episodes back? Didn't she know everything her dad was doing?
Cultivating Will's brain till Will is so insane or unhinged that he will willingly accept Hannibal as the serial killer cannibal who he really is-a true friend.
That's why he has been teasing Will's mind with copycat killings, his counselling sessions, and most recently sending Will to kill off Gideon.
He's throwing everyone under the bus just for Will, maybe not Abigail or Alana however.
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I feel like at this point Will is pants on head retarded for trusting Hannibal.
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On June 09 2013 22:51 karpotoss wrote:
I feel like at this point Will is pants on head retarded for trusting Hannibal.
Or suffering some kind of neurological disease?
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Seems like i am the only one that really likes Hugh Dancy as Will.
I mean yeah, Mikkelsen as Hannibal is great without a doubt - still, I find myself more intrigued by Dancys portrayal of Will.
He does an outstanding job conveying Wills struggle with his situation.
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On June 10 2013 00:39 Mattes wrote:
Seems like i am the only one that really likes Hugh Dancy as Will.
I mean yeah, Mikkelsen as Hannibal is great without a doubt - still, I find myself more intrigued by Dancys portrayal of Will.
He does an outstanding job conveying Wills struggle with his situation.
The last episode, he played excellently. Too bad that the scriptwriters dropped the ball even harder on this one than usual.
Aside from Alana as an almost eye witness, there are 2 tracks in the snow, showing they stood next to each other. Then Will shot an unarmed guy in the face at point-blank range.
Now I'm not too knowledgeable about the law in the US, and have no idea what protection you get as a special agent for the FBI, but there has to be at least some inquiry in which Will is under serious scrutiny. This is the third time in a short time he has gunned somebody (albeit all serial killers) down. This time, insofar as anybody can tell, there was no acute life-or-death situation. This has to merit some serious inquiry, right?
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On June 11 2013 22:00 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 00:39 Mattes wrote:
Seems like i am the only one that really likes Hugh Dancy as Will.
I mean yeah, Mikkelsen as Hannibal is great without a doubt - still, I find myself more intrigued by Dancys portrayal of Will.
He does an outstanding job conveying Wills struggle with his situation. The last episode, he played excellently. Too bad that the scriptwriters dropped the ball even harder on this one than usual. Aside from Alana as an almost eye witness, there are 2 tracks in the snow, showing they stood next to each other. Then Will shot an unarmed guy in the face at point-blank range. Now I'm not too knowledgeable about the law in the US, and have no idea what protection you get as a special agent for the FBI, but there has to be at least some inquiry in which Will is under serious scrutiny. This is the third time in a short time he has gunned somebody (albeit all serial killers) down. This time, insofar as anybody can tell, there was no acute life-or-death situation. This has to merit some serious inquiry, right?
Will will already be under serious scrutiny since Jack told him to stay in the car and he ended up with the serial killerfugitive at his girlfriends house. There are more what the hell happened than merely him shooting the serial killer at the house. How did he get there in the first place, especially in his current condition? Shooting a fugitive who was considered armed and dangerous is the least of his worries right now.
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New episode out, pretty interesting.
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Loving this show. Will and Mad are both putting some awesome spins on the characters. Im a sucker for some gruesome crime drama but the sinister nature of this show has me hooked! God those evil death stares from Hannibal that go un-noticed by the simpletons around him are so amazing!
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damn the end of the last episode, the fear on that girls face once she knew...and hannibals "curious" dialogue crazy good acting im starting to like him even more then anthony hopkins
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This show could have been much better, if only they changed the actor for Hannibal. He is so unconvincing for this part. He looks more like an old socially awkward man than the savvy sophisticated one in the movies. There is no finesse to him, no spark of lunacy, and even hit overall tone is very dry. Such a waste of a good script.
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I know Will is all crazy and fucked up most of the time, specially the last few episodes, but this episodes he was more clear than ever and even said it must be someone with inside info. How does he not link the Elk in his dreams even making the same pose as the Elk statue of Hannibal. It looks like they make it so clear that the brain of Will is trying to say it's Hannibal, but he just doesn't get it. I find this a big plot hole.
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On June 16 2013 00:48 Orangered wrote:
This show could have been much better, if only they changed the actor for Hannibal. He is so unconvincing for this part. He looks more like an old socially awkward man than the savvy sophisticated one in the movies. There is no finesse to him, no spark of lunacy, and even hit overall tone is very dry. Such a waste of a good script.
I't your opinion of course, but I think most of us actually think he is pretty good.
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On June 16 2013 00:48 Orangered wrote:
This show could have been much better, if only they changed the actor for Hannibal. He is so unconvincing for this part. He looks more like an old socially awkward man than the savvy sophisticated one in the movies. There is no finesse to him, no spark of lunacy, and even hit overall tone is very dry. Such a waste of a good script.
You are insane, the actor playing Hannibal is the single biggest thing carrying the entire damn show.
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Crawford and the others I couldn't care less for, but will and hannibal were amazing.
And now we wait for season two. =/
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On June 16 2013 00:48 Orangered wrote:
This show could have been much better, if only they changed the actor for Hannibal. He is so unconvincing for this part. He looks more like an old socially awkward man than the savvy sophisticated one in the movies. There is no finesse to him, no spark of lunacy, and even hit overall tone is very dry. Such a waste of a good script.
He looks like an old man with back problems.
+ Show Spoiler +Because he is carrying so hard....
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I still feel like the entire fucking fbi is retarded for their inability to connect couple of dots concerning hanniball. He is tagging along Will all the time, knows details of every crime, two patients were killed in his cabinet, he is extremely adept at human anatomy, the doctor and aquitance of hanniball that gave the diagnosis of Will's brain is dead two days later, and i guess you could nitpick much more. Overall i won't be watching next seasons because it felt stale already. But it seems i am in minority.
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Mads is doing an excellent job, but I wouldn't say he's carrying the show. Dancy has been doing great work with Graham.
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On June 16 2013 00:54 Tiwo wrote:I know Will is all crazy and fucked up most of the time, specially the last few episodes, but this episodes he was more clear than ever and even said it must be someone with inside info. How does he not link the Elk in his dreams even making the same pose as the Elk statue of Hannibal. It looks like they make it so clear that the brain of Will is trying to say it's Hannibal, but he just doesn't get it. I find this a big plot hole. also: Show nested quote +On June 16 2013 00:48 Orangered wrote:
This show could have been much better, if only they changed the actor for Hannibal. He is so unconvincing for this part. He looks more like an old socially awkward man than the savvy sophisticated one in the movies. There is no finesse to him, no spark of lunacy, and even hit overall tone is very dry. Such a waste of a good script. I't your opinion of course, but I think most of us actually think he is pretty good. Blinded by his friendship and such, I suppose. I dont think its such a plot hole that Will in a fairly delusional state didnt notice a psychopath that befriended him until it was too late. Great first season, Will and Hannibal are clearly the only interesting characters and actors [besides the occasional serial killer], hopefully that will change next season. Really hoping Will doesnt stay in jail, or become disfigured-- i want the hero to win! 
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