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The "everything wrong with" videos are not serious critiques. At all.
The prequels suffered from a lot of issues and you can't simply dismiss them as people being overly picky. If you're sitting in the cinema being pissed off by the film then someone somewhere fucked up and the film maker complaining that the film isn't the problem, you are, won't make it go down any better. I mentioned this earlier in this topic but I'll mention it again, if someone thinks something isn't good and you have to explain to them why their reaction of disliking it is wrong then it probably wasn't good.
There were issues with the dialogue, the characters, the story and everything else too of course but it's not wrong to be pissed off about Jar Jar. If he pissed you off then the film contains a thing that pissed you off and no amount of people telling you that you shouldn't have been pissed off will change the fact that you were.
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Having watched part of those videos now, they are not critiques at all. They are just a collection of 13 years of observations and fan complaints about the movies. That isn't critique in any way, but makes for a good youtube video for views. And its fine to watch things that are considered "bad". I will watch the shit out of the tour de force that is Armageddon and the poorly edited mess that is Hook.
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On December 18 2015 01:19 KwarK wrote:
The "everything wrong with" videos are not serious critiques. At all.
The prequels suffered from a lot of issues and you can't simply dismiss them as people being overly picky. If you're sitting in the cinema being pissed off by the film then someone somewhere fucked up and the film maker complaining that the film isn't the problem, you are, won't make it go down any better. I mentioned this earlier in this topic but I'll mention it again, if someone thinks something isn't good and you have to explain to them why their reaction of disliking it is wrong then it probably wasn't good.
There were issues with the dialogue, the characters, the story and everything else too of course but it's not wrong to be pissed off about Jar Jar. If he pissed you off then the film contains a thing that pissed you off and no amount of people telling you that you shouldn't have been pissed off will change the fact that you were.
If a majority of people doesn't like something it can't be good? Yeah no that isn't really how it works.
This isn't about the prequels, but the general statement is a bit too simple.
If it would be true a ton of highly acclaimed stuff shouldn't be considered "good".
I guess this comes down to "is art subjective/can it be objective" , probably not something anybody wants to discuss anway 
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Indeed nobody wants to discuss it because it's obvious that tastes are subjective and not necessary to indicate that it is "on average" or "by the majority" considered bad. It's hard to argue that some stuff aren't poorly done or inconsistent in these movies but where the subjectivity appears is on how much weight you personally give to each factor.
If you like something, then you're happier than those that don't like it in the end.
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People should always separate personal enjoyment from academic critique. It is possible to love a piece of art and also discuss it’s flaw. It makes enjoying films/tv/music and games better because when someone is critical of a thing you enjoy, it is clear that their criticism isn’t them admonishing your enjoyment.
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On December 18 2015 00:01 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2015 15:37 oBlade wrote:On December 17 2015 03:41 LegalLord wrote:On December 17 2015 02:46 Falling wrote:On December 16 2015 21:52 SkrollK wrote:On December 16 2015 19:11 Velr wrote:
Seriously.. Why?
Even if the movie is good. Have the Prequels not tought People to wait and hear if the movie is any good?
This is a perfect example of what is wrong with People/Holywood Sorry to disappoint your elitist tastes about movies. Not everyone is a fucking artist that need some... I don't even know what you need. Everyone spitting on the PT are like old people, "t'was better in the good ol'days"... I actually liked PT. It was not the best movies I ever saw, but it was far from the worst. I can be nitpicking on some subjects, but cinema is not really something I watch to get some profound thinking... Especially american's blockbusters. Just pick a book if you want to do that. Interestingly, rather than the old people... I find my students (junior high and high school) to be faaaar more dismissive of the prequels than I am. I often think about the failed story telling and why elements don't work, but I was actually taken aback at an entire class's open vehemence, if not outright hostility, towards the films. It is often a sort of "monkey see monkey do" phenomenon. A generation that grew up with online video reviews often just parrots the words of the reviewers and adopts the reviewers' criticisms as their own. For all the things that there is to dislike about the prequels, I tend to hear the same trivialities mentioned by 1-2 famous prequel reviews that get repeated, over and over again, as if that's what really matters. I mean the same can be said of the generation that uncritically lapped up the prequels as cool SW action movies, no? That automatically enjoy a movie when it's expensive? It's not a case of, for example, when people reject Star Trek films, they don't do it ultimately for reasons like "how come at warp 7 it only took 10 minutes to go from here to there when it's supposed to be 300 lightyears" or "how come they could use the transporter with the shields up," right? What minutiae do you see people obsess over about the SW prequel trilogy? I think those reviews resonate with people for a reason. The prequels were not awful. They simply didn't age well and they didn't live up to the standards of their predecessors, but in and of themselves they did provide a lot of what made SW good in the first place. Especially for those that never saw the originals, most of the inadequacies of the prequels seemed irrelevant because they had no frame of reference. I actually saw the prequels first, though after watching the originals it was instantaneously clear how woefully inadequate they were in comparison (but they were still fun at the time). What trivialities am I talking about? Midichlorians, some Jar Jar lines, using Force powers that didn't exist in the OT, Yoda having a lightsaber, R2-D2 having new attacks, minor continuity flaws. Some of these were bad but minor (would it really have been so game-changing if Qui-Gon said "the Force is strong with this one" instead of "his power level is over 9000" ?), and yoda having a lightsaber made sense but didn't conform to some ideas of what he should be like (and said critics should just get over it).
I don't think framing "some Jar Jar lines" as something trivial is accurate. The people you're talking about don't like Jar-Jar at all. It's not like they think Jar-Jar was a great idea that was only ruined by the poop jokes. They would rather erase the entire character. Midichlorians and Yoda using a lightsaber (in that case it's more about CGI Yoda ridiculously bouncing off of walls, not the concept that Yoda would have a lightsaber being so offensive) people aren't as receptive to because it demystifies the force and turns it into technobabble which is out of place in a space fantasy. It's not that they're nitpicking small things, these are examples in the context of bigger problems people see.
Put it this way. If Vader being Luke's father is such a central part of Empire Strikes Back, midichlorians being Vader's father should be just as major.
On December 18 2015 00:01 LegalLord wrote:
Why not focus on the real, macroscopic issues that murdered the prequels? How about how bad both Anakins were as characters, the cringeworthy dialogue, the podracing and Ep 1 space battle scenes which were both boring and unfeasible yet central to the plot (there is a limit to suspension of disbelief even in science fantasy)? How about the fact that while OT space battles told a story, they were merely background graphics in the PT? These are critical issues that actually made the movies worse, while the reasons in the preceding paragraph are the ones that actually come up when people criticize the prequels in an unintelligent and generally more hostile (as opposed to disappointed) manner.
People absolutely focus on those things. We must just not see the same people.
The pod-racing and (some) space battles, Darth Maul duel, these are actually some of the only things some people who trash the prequel trilogy find redeeming because the action is enjoyable. Yet even then, the issues are that the action doesn't properly fit into the story, that there's no tension, etc.
Speaking of Anakins, do you know which two actors won an Oscar for playing the same character?
+ Show Spoiler +Jake Lloyd and Hayden Christiansen as Darth Vader + Show Spoiler +
(it was Marlon Brando and Robert Deniro as Vito Corleone)
But really, I don't see why people shouldn't be hostile if they feel they're being herded to a garbage sale. Every Star Wars film is $20 on Youtube right now. The Dark Knight is $3 like almost every other movie.
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Dark Knight is ok but it is no great movie by any means either. It hast weak action scenes, weak directing in several scenes with poor shot selection and other problems, just saying 
If you have 20 minutes to spar, here are two nice videos describing that problem with the example of the evacuation scene with the convoy making it's way to the tunnel.
Part 1
www.youtube.com
Part 2
www.youtube.com
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I don't really like the batman movies  lynch me TL !
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On December 18 2015 03:35 rezoacken wrote:I don't really like the batman movies lynch me TL !
The first one was ok, the second one relatively good, the third one was pretty bad moviewise but got lifted to mediocre through the high production value, but you risk hatemail if you point that out Overall the trilogy is highly overrated I would say, so we're already two atleast.
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On December 18 2015 03:35 rezoacken wrote:I don't really like the batman movies lynch me TL !
That second one is pretty good, but the 1 and 3 are only "ok". The main problem with those movies is that they ushered in a new era of really boring, low wit and no jokes, higher than normal grimdark batman comics and games. And set this weird impression where everyone thought Batman was always that way.
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I thought the second one was pretty good, but I am starting to see why critics seem to consider comic book movies to be a "lesser" form of entertainment. The Dark Knight trilogy is no exception.
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I would rate SW TFA: 7/10
Good things for me:
+ Show Spoiler +The first ten minutes, the young actors did their job in a good way, some funny and light scenes, and Han Solo character, is very powerful even in an old Ford
Bad things for me:
+ Show Spoiler +Seriously another 20 minutes wasted in a Deathstar, everything as a copy of Episode IV and VI?, Kylo Ren, he is so weak, he even lost to a girl that has not training at all, the Rebelión was for nothing, it seems that the First Order is even stronger than in the Empire era.
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Spoiler that plz, thank you.
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Welp. Just watched it. Extremely dissapointed. It's just like any action-packed flick with some Star Wars in the background. Anyways I'll just leave it at that. I would still recommend watching it as there's just no reason not to.
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+ Show Spoiler +For me Kylo Ren was one of the best vilians ever. I totally understood his mindset. The "whiny" side and the masskiller part. I loved it when he fought vs Rey in the last scene and always punshed his chest with his wrist to kinda push his mind. MORE OF HIM YAY!
For me the movie was weaker than Chapter 5 but much better than the other movies
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Unlike the prequels this movie works
(as a movie of its kind is supposed to work..)
Still Abrams has no vision at all, he knows how to use his tools, how to use the elements of star wars, but the sad thing is: the Star wars stuff stays just that, tools
Enjoyable, fun and very very dull and the same time.
Luke and the chick are cute though
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On December 18 2015 06:24 Maxie wrote:+ Show Spoiler +To be fair he was injured before the fight.
+ Show Spoiler +I understand that, but he went in a fight toe to toe vs a stormtrooper who used to clean bathrooms, this apprentice of Lord Sith has reached a new lowest level.
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wont be watching it until next saturday with my brothers, goddamn.
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Ok, so, here I go.
+ Show Spoiler +WHY THE FUCK DID THEY DO THAT ?!? WHY THE FUCKING HELL DID THEY HAVE TO DO THAT ? Worst than any Star Wars movies made before. I mean it. If I didn’t knew about Star Wars universe at all, it would be a fucking great movie. But, seriously ? Did JJ Abrams was sooooooo afraid to get lynched like Lucas got for the PT that he said to himself : “Hey, let’s make a complete copy/paste of a previous OT movie. Oh, is it the beginning of a new trilogy ? Let’s copy the fourth, so.” Did it worked like that ? Seriously ? Action wise, the movie was good. Freaking epics moments, acting is quite good, but… Let’s settle some things, I need them to get out, sorry for all the caps and all, but it has to go out : Show nested quote +Han = Ben Kenobi
Luke = Yoda
Kylo Ren = Darth Vader
New superweapon = Death Star (I or II, nvm)
Let’s mix it a little… TADAM !!! You got your new Star Wars episode. Gratz !
Plus, some HIGH LEVELS fucking inconsistencies…
Is the new girl SERIOUSLY GOING TOE-TO-TOE WITH A SITH LORD NOT USING THE FORCE IN A FUCKING LIGHSABER DUEL ?! WHAT THE FUCK YOU SMOKE ?
Finn’s injured ? Where is THE FUCKING BACTA TANK ??
Chewie LET HAN DIE LIKE THAT ? AND DOES NOTHING THEREAFTER ? HE IS A FREAKING WOOKIE THAT HAS NOT FULLFILLED A LIFE’S DEBT, HE MUST BE RAMPAGING EVERYTHING !!
Is Kylo Ren really stopping a laser blast ? When it is known that it is amongst the few things the Force CANNOT DO ?
I could go head on more but i'll stop that, I guess you got the general idea... I am truly really disappointed. Not by the movie, which was great. But at the fact that all of you MADE THAT HAPPEN. "PT are the worst films ever, blabla," "Prequel is utter shit, blabla..." Result ? JJ Abrams got sooooooo afraid to get shat on that he did not even got a scenarist for the movie. Just picked the first Star Wars ever made, copy/pasted it, and that's it. It could have been a great movie. An awesome movie, even, if it was the first film in a totally new universe. It is not. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay to many inconsistencies in a well set and known universe, and no (new) scenario. I am, for the first time in my life, disappointed by a Star Wars movie (story). I am, truly, really, really sad.
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