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On April 28 2013 00:31 Capped wrote:
Just watched a video from the first page.
Masturbating over a comatosed chick.
This is too far into the depths of otaku for me to be.
*Slowly backs out*
You started with that one? Ohhh goodness, lol. Not the best representation of the franchise, haha!
2.22 came in the mail last week (Amazon had it on sale). I admit, I liked it. After having watched the show and EoE, the plot points Anno tried to express earlier finally start to make sense to me in this one. If he could have taken the (highly relative) clarity of the story from the Rebuild, and combined it with his animation and pacing styles from the original show, I would have far less to gripe about overall.
Anno has always been gratuitous with Eva, but it's extremely obvious with the Rebuild. I wasn't very pleased with the amount and type of "special features" on the second disc of either movie, and Anno appears to be capitalizing on references for the fanbase of the original material more so than creating great, new content that enhances the franchise, instead of using the popularity as a crutch.
I won't go so far as to say he's only profiteering off of the franchise; I think he sincerely wants to reinterpret Eva into something else, perhaps more contemporary and applicable to the culture around him. But it's obvious, to me anyways, that he relies very strongly on the show and EoE as a goal for the Rebuild's success. I'll still watch 3.33 nonetheless, and 4.44 whenever that's finally released, because I'm interested in seeing where he wants to go with this alternate plotline. Like the show, I recommend the Rebuild not necessary because it's the most enjoyable anime, but because it's an important, pivotal anime. I'd compare it to the Bible of anime: you may not like it all that much and you could disagree with Anno's conclusions completely, but if you're going to be an anime nerd, it's pretty much a must-watch regardless.
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evangelion was to mock the degenerate otaku culture, but instead spawned a legacy of character fetish cults. character fetish is basically anime nowadays, so i'd say it's a pretty tragic piece of irony
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On April 28 2013 01:37 cLAN.Anax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 00:31 Capped wrote:
Just watched a video from the first page.
Masturbating over a comatosed chick.
This is too far into the depths of otaku for me to be.
*Slowly backs out* You started with that one? Ohhh goodness, lol. Not the best representation of the franchise, haha! 2.22 came in the mail last week (Amazon had it on sale). I admit, I liked it. After having watched the show and EoE, the plot points Anno tried to express earlier finally start to make sense to me in this one. If he could have taken the (highly relative) clarity of the story from the Rebuild, and combined it with his animation and pacing styles from the original show, I would have far less to gripe about overall. Anno has always been gratuitous with Eva, but it's extremely obvious with the Rebuild. I wasn't very pleased with the amount and type of "special features" on the second disc of either movie, and Anno appears to be capitalizing on references for the fanbase of the original material more so than creating great, new content that enhances the franchise, instead of using the popularity as a crutch. I won't go so far as to say he's only profiteering off of the franchise; I think he sincerely wants to reinterpret Eva into something else, perhaps more contemporary and applicable to the culture around him. But it's obvious, to me anyways, that he relies very strongly on the show and EoE as a goal for the Rebuild's success. I'll still watch 3.33 nonetheless, and 4.44 whenever that's finally released, because I'm interested in seeing where he wants to go with this alternate plotline. Like the show, I recommend the Rebuild not necessary because it's the most enjoyable anime, but because it's an important, pivotal anime. I'd compare it to the Bible of anime: you may not like it all that much and you could disagree with Anno's conclusions completely, but if you're going to be an anime nerd, it's pretty much a must-watch regardless.
That is an utter insult to other anime work that are better than nge. nge is THE classic example of an artistic work that acts bigger than it actually is. It's just like lady gaga and other contemporary artists who try too hard to put some kind of meaning or style into their work. Everything feels forced and unnatural. neon genesis evangelion has its merits as an anime but don't beautify it.
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Oh wow opinionated people carrying the Truth around and poking others with it. At least pretend to have some modesty :O
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On April 28 2013 01:54 white_horse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 01:37 cLAN.Anax wrote:On April 28 2013 00:31 Capped wrote:
Just watched a video from the first page.
Masturbating over a comatosed chick.
This is too far into the depths of otaku for me to be.
*Slowly backs out* You started with that one? Ohhh goodness, lol. Not the best representation of the franchise, haha! 2.22 came in the mail last week (Amazon had it on sale). I admit, I liked it. After having watched the show and EoE, the plot points Anno tried to express earlier finally start to make sense to me in this one. If he could have taken the (highly relative) clarity of the story from the Rebuild, and combined it with his animation and pacing styles from the original show, I would have far less to gripe about overall. Anno has always been gratuitous with Eva, but it's extremely obvious with the Rebuild. I wasn't very pleased with the amount and type of "special features" on the second disc of either movie, and Anno appears to be capitalizing on references for the fanbase of the original material more so than creating great, new content that enhances the franchise, instead of using the popularity as a crutch. I won't go so far as to say he's only profiteering off of the franchise; I think he sincerely wants to reinterpret Eva into something else, perhaps more contemporary and applicable to the culture around him. But it's obvious, to me anyways, that he relies very strongly on the show and EoE as a goal for the Rebuild's success. I'll still watch 3.33 nonetheless, and 4.44 whenever that's finally released, because I'm interested in seeing where he wants to go with this alternate plotline. Like the show, I recommend the Rebuild not necessary because it's the most enjoyable anime, but because it's an important, pivotal anime. I'd compare it to the Bible of anime: you may not like it all that much and you could disagree with Anno's conclusions completely, but if you're going to be an anime nerd, it's pretty much a must-watch regardless. That is an utter insult to other anime work that are better than nge. nge is THE classic example of an artistic work that acts bigger than it actually is. It's just like lady gaga and other contemporary artists who try too hard to put some kind of meaning or style into their work. Everything feels forced and unnatural. neon genesis evangelion has its merits as an anime but don't beautify it.
Hahaha. I really like this post ^^. Well said.
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On April 28 2013 01:54 white_horse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 01:37 cLAN.Anax wrote:On April 28 2013 00:31 Capped wrote:
Just watched a video from the first page.
Masturbating over a comatosed chick.
This is too far into the depths of otaku for me to be.
*Slowly backs out* You started with that one? Ohhh goodness, lol. Not the best representation of the franchise, haha! 2.22 came in the mail last week (Amazon had it on sale). I admit, I liked it. After having watched the show and EoE, the plot points Anno tried to express earlier finally start to make sense to me in this one. If he could have taken the (highly relative) clarity of the story from the Rebuild, and combined it with his animation and pacing styles from the original show, I would have far less to gripe about overall. Anno has always been gratuitous with Eva, but it's extremely obvious with the Rebuild. I wasn't very pleased with the amount and type of "special features" on the second disc of either movie, and Anno appears to be capitalizing on references for the fanbase of the original material more so than creating great, new content that enhances the franchise, instead of using the popularity as a crutch. I won't go so far as to say he's only profiteering off of the franchise; I think he sincerely wants to reinterpret Eva into something else, perhaps more contemporary and applicable to the culture around him. But it's obvious, to me anyways, that he relies very strongly on the show and EoE as a goal for the Rebuild's success. I'll still watch 3.33 nonetheless, and 4.44 whenever that's finally released, because I'm interested in seeing where he wants to go with this alternate plotline. Like the show, I recommend the Rebuild not necessary because it's the most enjoyable anime, but because it's an important, pivotal anime. I'd compare it to the Bible of anime: you may not like it all that much and you could disagree with Anno's conclusions completely, but if you're going to be an anime nerd, it's pretty much a must-watch regardless. That is an utter insult to other anime work that are better than nge. nge is THE classic example of an artistic work that acts bigger than it actually is. It's just like lady gaga and other contemporary artists who try too hard to put some kind of meaning or style into their work. Everything feels forced and unnatural. neon genesis evangelion has its merits as an anime but don't beautify it.
I'll reword that: it's like "a" Bible for anime. The best thing ever? No. Not by a long shot. But an important work nonetheless.
Sorry if I offended with that. Of course that wasn't my intention. I'm trying to figure out the best way to word that without coming across as a know-it-all. I'm wanting to say that it's something that folks may not like (to be honest, I didn't like Eva the first time I saw it, and I've still got my qualms with the franchise; I agree that it acts bigger than it really is), but if they want to delve deep into anime, it's a staple that shouldn't be ignored.
Edit: I'm trying to emphasize the significance of the story and the influence its notoriety has had on anime culture. I'm not attempting to say it's the greatest animation to hit screens.
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I enjoyed 3.0s lots. Who doesn't like time skips? And yaoi?
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Wait, did white_horse compare NGE to Lady Gaga?
Also, funny cLAN compared NGE to the Bible ^_^. Surely there aren't similarities between the Bible and NGE!
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I was so confused after watching the 3rd movie
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On April 28 2013 03:33 Blargh wrote:
Wait, did white_horse compare NGE to Lady Gaga?
Also, funny cLAN compared NGE to the Bible ^_^. Surely there aren't similarities between the Bible and NGE!
Pretty sure he did. To be fair, I can see where he's coming from, and I actually agree with him to a certain extent.
Lol, I realize what I accidentally did there. Thanks for pointing that out. X-D But I only meant it in the sense that the Bible is not at all the most exciting or entertaining book to be written. Its notoriety deserves examination however, in my opinion.
(on the slightly off-topic, I'm making an abridged series for Eva to highlight the ridiculousness of the plot and my initial opinion of the series; I don't do this because I like the series necessarily, I do it 'cause it's easy to poke fun at and a hilarious way to waste time  )
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On April 28 2013 03:43 cLAN.Anax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 03:33 Blargh wrote:
Wait, did white_horse compare NGE to Lady Gaga?
Also, funny cLAN compared NGE to the Bible ^_^. Surely there aren't similarities between the Bible and NGE! Pretty sure he did. To be fair, I can see where he's coming from, and I actually agree with him to a certain extent. Lol, I realize what I accidentally did there. Thanks for pointing that out. X-D But I only meant it in the sense that the Bible is not at all the most exciting or entertaining book to be written. Its notoriety deserves examination however, in my opinion. (on the slightly off-topic, I'm making an abridged series for Eva to highlight the ridiculousness of the plot and my initial opinion of the series; I don't do this because I like the series necessarily, I do it 'cause it's easy to poke fun at and a hilarious way to waste time )
I guess your saying that Evangelion in influential/popular enough to warrant a watch?
Also flaws aside I enjoyed evangelion 3.0...It was a spectacle for sure. Just hope 4.0 manages to answer the MANY questions raised from 3.0 and the previous movies and lay down on the action -.-.
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Alright, so I want to start watching this. Where the fuck do I start? Theres mangas, a bunch of different endings called death true and death true2...
Im confused, can some1 point me in the right direction without me having to look stuff up and potentially ending up getting spoiled?
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On April 28 2013 04:35 []Phase[] wrote:
Alright, so I want to start watching this. Where the fuck do I start? Theres mangas, a bunch of different endings called death true and death true2...
Im confused, can some1 point me in the right direction without me having to look stuff up and potentially ending up getting spoiled?
http://images.wikia.com/recommendations/images/3/39/How_to_Watch_Evangelion.png
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On April 10 2013 13:34 Serpico wrote:
Is there any place with detailed explanations of the differences and implications of the new movies? Not just a wikipedia page (unless it's very descriptive) but something made by pretty serious fans. I don't know when I'll be able to watch if any time soon.
evageeks
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On April 28 2013 04:27 Tabbris wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 03:43 cLAN.Anax wrote:On April 28 2013 03:33 Blargh wrote:
Wait, did white_horse compare NGE to Lady Gaga?
Also, funny cLAN compared NGE to the Bible ^_^. Surely there aren't similarities between the Bible and NGE! Pretty sure he did. To be fair, I can see where he's coming from, and I actually agree with him to a certain extent. Lol, I realize what I accidentally did there. Thanks for pointing that out. X-D But I only meant it in the sense that the Bible is not at all the most exciting or entertaining book to be written. Its notoriety deserves examination however, in my opinion. (on the slightly off-topic, I'm making an abridged series for Eva to highlight the ridiculousness of the plot and my initial opinion of the series; I don't do this because I like the series necessarily, I do it 'cause it's easy to poke fun at and a hilarious way to waste time ) I guess your saying that Evangelion in influential/popular enough to warrant a watch?
Yes, I am saying that. At least if someone wants to get into anime in general very seriously.
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i don't think anyone can watch Evangelion and not have a strong opinion on whether or not they hate it or love it.
unless they drop it before finishing.
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On April 28 2013 05:18 cLAN.Anax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 04:27 Tabbris wrote:On April 28 2013 03:43 cLAN.Anax wrote:On April 28 2013 03:33 Blargh wrote:
Wait, did white_horse compare NGE to Lady Gaga?
Also, funny cLAN compared NGE to the Bible ^_^. Surely there aren't similarities between the Bible and NGE! Pretty sure he did. To be fair, I can see where he's coming from, and I actually agree with him to a certain extent. Lol, I realize what I accidentally did there. Thanks for pointing that out. X-D But I only meant it in the sense that the Bible is not at all the most exciting or entertaining book to be written. Its notoriety deserves examination however, in my opinion. (on the slightly off-topic, I'm making an abridged series for Eva to highlight the ridiculousness of the plot and my initial opinion of the series; I don't do this because I like the series necessarily, I do it 'cause it's easy to poke fun at and a hilarious way to waste time ) I guess your saying that Evangelion in influential/popular enough to warrant a watch? Yes, I am saying that. At least if someone wants to get into anime in general very seriously.
Yup, I agree with you. Any modern anime fan should watch the original NGE tv anime + EoE, if only to see modern anime in the context in which it developed. Everything from character design (look at how many fucking expies of Rei there are) to the rise then fall of deconstructive/dark anime (FLCL/TTGL as a response by the same studio, let alone others). Even in Japan, Madoka Magica was described as Eva for mahou shoujo for a reason, and it was 15 years since TV Eva was broadcast for the first time.
I personally think it still stands pretty strongly on its own merits, but if nothing else, it's so culturally and commercially significant in the anime industry that any serious fan should watch it.
All of this only applies to the original TV anime + End of Evangelion. The Rebuild movies, I personally think, are less interesting than the originals, and they don't have the significance of the originals either.
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On April 28 2013 03:33 Blargh wrote:
Wait, did white_horse compare NGE to Lady Gaga?
Also, funny cLAN compared NGE to the Bible ^_^. Surely there aren't similarities between the Bible and NGE!
You're making a stretch with what I wrote. NGE is similar to lady gaga in the sense that they are both part of the modernism/post-modernism shit that people today call art. Things become artistic or literary masterpieces because the people making them are naturally talented with storytelling, prose, painting skills etc. Throwing in a smorgasbord of christian, freudian, psychological, etc. themes and symbolism all into one pot to try to make your work look like its filled with some kind of mysterious, greater-than-our-world meaning isn't a recipe for literary and imaginative excellence.
If you strip nge down to its bare core, its a story of a specially chosen group of young people who ride robots to defeat evil aliens that are trying to destroy earth. That makes nge no different than power rangers. Ok. What I just wrote was very harsh since there is no such work on this planet that isn't related to or influenced by a previous work. You can make the same arguments for pretty much everything. But you get my point. They could have made a great series with nge without all the extraneous BS and still have a rich work with a lot of philosophical meaning, etc. in it for people to enjoy debating about.
I actually watched the original nge anime series up to the 18th or 19th episode or so. It was really great up to that. Like I said, NGE is a good anime overall. But I just facepalm when anime fans treat it like its some kind of wonder of the planet because of all the "thematic" elements stuffed into it. You're just falling for the clever schemes the producers engineered to attract more viewers.
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I feel like there were two movies between 2.0 and 3.0 that were better than 3.0 and we'll never get to see them 
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you should put the angelic days manga(or iron maiden) on the front page. It's my favorite NGE story, simply because it's everything that NGE is not.
As for the impact of the original, I think NGE overall had a strongly negative impact on the genre and japanese animation on a whole. It's definitely unfair to say that NGE revolutionized the medium, changing anime from cutesy cartoons to potential works of art. Just the year prior to NGE, anime gave us some of the most inspired cartoons that WERE works of art(like Ghost in the Shell or Gundam Wing or any Studio Ghibli shit) which were deeper then those 80s anime cartoons(like astroboy). Even the character trinity archetype is a direct ripoff of tenchi muyo(asuka = ryoko, rei = ayeka, and shinji = tenchi). The original NGE story was honestly nothing unique in terms of animation or story telling, it only became interesting b/c its creator went off the deep end, and decided to hand everyone who watched the show a giant shit sandwich, in which everyone to his surprise ate with great enthusiasm. A much better anime from the same creator(at a more stable period in his life) is Kare Kano. Now that is a show that is actually good because it's good, not b/c of a nervous breakdown.
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