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Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
April 02 2012 14:22 GMT
#581
Saw this movie in Glasgow, and boy did I (and the guys I saw it with) hate it. It basically tries to just tap the theme of Battle Royale and then contintues to do barely anything with it. There's half-done shreds of character development that don't make any sense because you only get the shreds, people are introduced as if they'r going to matter but then don't, there is NO gore whatsoever (how do you make a Battle Royale themed film PG 12?), the fights are so shakily shot that you have no idea what's going on, there's huge holes in the storyline as the movie tells it (I'm guessing the books actually take time explaining stuff a bit better) (for instance a bunch of kids first being in a bloodbath in the middle and then magically haven partnered up from different districts, them instantly becomming a bunch of coldhearted killers but without the slightest shred of tactics or common sense, which goes for the main persons aswell. Then there's the computergenerated magic dogs that pop up, the fact that half of the contestants in the end get almost killed by circumstantial hazards (the dogs, the fire etc) which I'd think wouldnt make for a very interesting champion. I've got to stop ranting now but I don't think there was any moment in the movie where I wasn't thinking... what the hell? Why? What? Heh? Why would they have made this design-decision?

I went to Wrath of the Titans the next day (we had to wait before our flight went back to Holland) and while I'm generally not a huge fan of that kind of movie it was better in pretty much every way exept that it didn't have Woody. And Wrath of the Titans is a flimsy, pure action/spectacle trash movie. Go figure.
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
April 02 2012 15:05 GMT
#582
On April 02 2012 15:53 Aratan wrote:
I thought this could have been a really good movie, everything set up before the fight was amazing. But the fighting itself left me really disappointed. First off, why on Earth would they be making alliances in a battle where only one person could win, sooner or later the group would have to know that they would end up betraying each other. Also leaving Katniss is the tree was kinda dumb, it would take her about 3 days to die from dehydration, why not back up 10 feet and then try the arrows again. Last fight was just kinda bad, Cato didn't really do anything cool throughout the entire movie to prove that he was as much as a bad ass as he was acting. All in all pretty disappointing, at the end I felt sad on how great it could have been. Could have been like a Naruto forest of death thing..


Don't understand how everybody seems to be bringing this up. Alliances are almost ALWAYS formed in contests like these, especially for people in Peeta's situation. If he doesn't join up with them, he has (roughly) the same chance as the other 20-odd competitors to survive. With them, he has a much better chance of making it to the final 10, and then the final 5. You can deal with breaking up the alliance when it comes to that...in the meantime it serves as protection and an insurance policy against the strongest members of the competition. They figured they could get him to find Katniss for them, and keep an eye on him the meantime. They could have killed him easily enough when it came to that.

As for the tree...yeah that sort of bothered me too, but we really have no idea what their reasoning was for saving arrows/knives and not wanting to waste them. If they had tried really hard they may have been able to get her, but perhaps they were content to wait it out. Obviously a bad decision, but since when were teenagers (even trained ones) model decision makers? Can't expect them to act like seasoned hunters and killers when they're 16 years old, no matter how vicious they seem. Personally I would have been more worried that the longer you leave her up there, the better chance she thinks of a way to escape, like the beehive.

For what it was, it was pretty enjoyable...albeit a bit too long.
Black Civil Rights
Profile Joined April 2012
21 Posts
April 02 2012 16:08 GMT
#583
On April 03 2012 00:05 ZasZ. wrote:Alliances are almost ALWAYS formed in contests like these, especially for people in Peeta's situation.


Actually no. If you were in Peeta's situation, you'd probably stay the fuck away from those who are stronger than you and likely to treat you like shit and try to hide it out. If he got caught, then you'd think the director would at least have a scene showing him saying: "No wait! Don't kill me! I know where Katniss is!"

My review? Sloppy.
Black Civil Rights
Profile Joined April 2012
21 Posts
April 02 2012 16:10 GMT
#584
To further clarify - this isn't like Survivor (or Big Brother), where the prizes are material. When survival instinct kicks in, you don't keep your enemies close - you get the fuck out.
Vardant
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic620 Posts
April 02 2012 16:11 GMT
#585
Did you miss the part, where he joined them to lead them away from Katniss? He wasn't trying to win, he was fine with dying, even in the end, where it was only two of them, he offered his life so she could win.
Tidus Mino
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1108 Posts
April 02 2012 16:13 GMT
#586
Saw it last night, was pretty good. I haven't read the book and friends who have say they hated the film as it strayed from the book quite a bit. Just ordered the books so will read them when they arrive. My main criticism of the film was it felt rushed. The characters didn't get enough time to develop, for example + Show Spoiler +
Rue wasn't given enough airtime before she dies, so when she did we didn't share catniss's feelings
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aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
April 02 2012 16:26 GMT
#587
On April 03 2012 01:10 Black Civil Rights wrote:
To further clarify - this isn't like Survivor (or Big Brother), where the prizes are material. When survival instinct kicks in, you don't keep your enemies close - you get the fuck out.

I disagree.

It's natural to form an alliance, because you will be safe for longer.

It's like ... someone stronger than you say, stay with me and we'll kill them together, you figure ... hell yeah, this way, I have some chance to reach the end and he could be hurt before that.

We unite against a common enemy.

United States and Soviet against Germany. How long did that alliance last once Germany was beaten?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_enemy_of_my_enemy_is_my_friend

Vardant
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic620 Posts
April 02 2012 16:31 GMT
#588
The alliances are normal. The bigger the group, the better the chance to make it to the end. The weaker one are not at that big of disadvantage. Accidents happen, so the strongest one may just die or something happens and that gives them the opportunity to take him down. If they weren't allied, they would have missed their chance.

And even if the weaker die in the end, they still got a few extra days. They wouldn't have them on their down.
Black Civil Rights
Profile Joined April 2012
21 Posts
April 02 2012 17:05 GMT
#589
The thing is, if you were Peeta in that situation, you'd be suffering constant anxiety attacks and not be able to function out of fear of being killed by the others. And how cheesy was the ending? "Killing was all I ever knew! Only now do I realise I was wrong!" Jesus Christ, reminds me of the 'nooooooooo' in The Phantom Menace.
Black Civil Rights
Profile Joined April 2012
21 Posts
April 02 2012 17:06 GMT
#590
Err, I meant that third Star Wars movie.
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 17:41:00
April 02 2012 17:28 GMT
#591
On April 03 2012 01:13 Tidus Mino wrote:
Saw it last night, was pretty good. I haven't read the book and friends who have say they hated the film as it strayed from the book quite a bit. Just ordered the books so will read them when they arrive. My main criticism of the film was it felt rushed. The characters didn't get enough time to develop, for example + Show Spoiler +
Rue wasn't given enough airtime before she dies, so when she did we didn't share catniss's feelings

Books are so much stronger and detailed ("almost" everyone's complaints or criticisms are mentioned/explained in the book to some degree), and books 2-3 really deviate from the rest of any BR comparisons.

edit: some more quick notes since I just bothered to read some of the posts again:
+ Show Spoiler +
1) Almost all the cheesy dialogue in the film does not exist in the book and the movie adds a lot of extra narratives to replace the book using Katniss' POV (Haymitch notes in the parachutes don't exist, neither does Stanley Tucci's commentary during the games).
2) Alliances are seen in the book as common and formed PREGAME, they pair together not only for survival, but because of the audience (sponsors). Again, it's just not the 24 people in the games fighting for survival, they need to entertain. The gamemakers can change whatever to make it more interesting and prevent 24 people hiding in a tree waiting to starve. The alliances are formed mostly with people from their district, and it's seen in bad taste to break an alliance with your own district partner. After they've killed enough people, they usually just break off in separate paths until they run into each other or are brought together (i.e. by a feast).
3) Peeta is supposed to be considerably larger/stronger (not like 5'7 in the movies?) in the books and is implied to have befriended the Careers pre-game. The movie does a terrible job of portraying this.
4) The reality TV/computerized creation with Crane (the game with flaming beard) does not exist in the book, it's partly implied, but that's all to again make it easier for the audience to follow, although I felt it took away from the movie a bit.

the farm ends here
Kojaimea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom277 Posts
April 02 2012 21:13 GMT
#592
I can make my peace with PG-13 violence. I can make my peace with influence bordering on plagiarism. I can make my peace with filmmakers and authors alike denying any knowledge of said influence.

I cannot make my peace with a boring, boring, BORING(!!!!) movie, that is over 2 hours long. This piece of tripe was physically and mentally draining to sit through. There is no merit from a film-making standpoint, there isn't a singe character i give two shits about, and the action is just dull. Really poor show...
The riverbed, dried-up, half full of leaves. Us, listening to a river in the trees.
fritfrat
Profile Joined August 2010
United States50 Posts
April 02 2012 21:24 GMT
#593
I think the problem that everyone is having is that they had far too high of expectations. After reading the book, which was pretty darn mediocre/simple/shallow, I wasn't exactly expecting them to deepen it for the movie! I still had fun seeing it, though.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
April 02 2012 22:04 GMT
#594
Now that I think about it. If I am put under this circumstance as Jennifer Lawrence, I would first find the most athletic guy in the whole competition. With my looks, I will be able to seduce the crap out of him. Then manipulate him to murder any foes that comes in the way. And finally backstab him after everyone has been eliminated.

When you have beauty in your arsenal, nothing can stand in your way.
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justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 22:10:28
April 02 2012 22:10 GMT
#595
On April 03 2012 07:04 Xiphos wrote:
Now that I think about it. If I am put under this circumstance as Jennifer Lawrence, I would first find the most athletic guy in the whole competition. With my looks, I will be able to seduce the crap out of him. Then manipulate him to murder any foes that comes in the way. And finally backstab him after everyone has been eliminated.

When you have beauty in your arsenal, nothing can stand in your way.


You sir/ma'am would then be Johanna from the later books.

Edit: Um, spoilers?
Never make a hydralisk.
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
April 02 2012 22:21 GMT
#596
Why doesn't the dude put the sword on his side while climbing up to kill the girl? Holding a sword in hand while trying to climb seems like it would make it worst as he wouldn't be utilizing all of his energy on going up...which ends up causing him to fail...
or like maybe sheath it somehow... or use his bag...
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sorrowptoss
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1431 Posts
April 02 2012 22:21 GMT
#597
I kinda didn't like it. The way the movie was filmed was slightly nausea-inducing and the characters are too simple. It feels like (metaphorical image, no racism) black vs white, good vs bad, yay good wins, the poor district wins due to pure luck except for the last fight (...?).
The "critic" of medias and/or television reality shows is really cheap and naive. The exagerations are excessive and too much in your face. Katniss has a wierd/ambiguous character development.
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
April 02 2012 22:32 GMT
#598
It was a good movie, the love line between Katniss and Peeta were a bit distracting though
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Ryder.
Profile Joined January 2011
1117 Posts
April 03 2012 00:11 GMT
#599
On April 02 2012 10:43 Logo wrote:
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On April 02 2012 06:52 nalgene wrote:
They are supposedly super pro at throwing knives... (shown like 30 minutes before they start killing each other) but they can't hit the girl on the tree and proceeds to just give up...no daggers in their sleeves...

The girl up on the tree doesn't go down to take their weapons away from them or take their knives and stab them/slit their throats while they are sleeping ( they don't scream in real life, they grasp for breath when stabbed ) What better time to kill them than when they're not resisting...

Of all things... why does the African dude always gotta die...

a very heavily toned down battle royale...


She was asleep? Kinda hard to slit people's throats when you're asleep + in pain from a very injured leg. Plus she needs to go and take one of their weapons, if she fails at it she dies. That's not easy.

Good luck throwing a dagger straight up through all the branches to hit a target assuming said target doesn't just go up higher or around to the other side of the tree. Even like 6m-10m is a long throw horizontally, good luck doing 1-1.5x that straight up with gravity working against you + no ability to use good throwing form.

Same with bow, awkward to shoot, unlikely to hit, and those arrows are a lifeline. Even individually those arrows may be useful to the group now to waste on Katniss, but at some point those people are expecting to be on your own. If you are Glimmer do you really want to risk your best chance of survival (the only ranged weapon in the arena) trying to hit a girl that for all purposes seems trapped.

Too many people have way too unrealistic expectations about this sort of stuff.

It's not only unrealistic expectations, it's that people come in here with an inflated sense of self importance thinking that because the characters didn't act how they think they should have, then the plot/movie is somehow flawed. As if watching and reading various types of fiction over the years makes them a credible source on how teenagers should act in these situations.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
April 03 2012 01:28 GMT
#600
On April 03 2012 07:21 nalgene wrote:
Why doesn't the dude put the sword on his side while climbing up to kill the girl? Holding a sword in hand while trying to climb seems like it would make it worst as he wouldn't be utilizing all of his energy on going up...which ends up causing him to fail...
or like maybe sheath it somehow... or use his bag...


Why would you climb up a tree with your weapon put away when the thing you are climbing after is likely (and in this case is) armed? What's he going to do? Climb up, ask her to wait, pull out his sword, then fight?
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