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On June 05 2017 15:47 evilfatsh1t wrote:
that was an extremely lame way to win a fight.
i stand by what i said about urek being in the manhwa at this point in time and the ridiculous power gap he and the rest of the characters have. might as well rename the manhwa to tower of urek for now
Do not forget that he is one of the strongest people in the entire universe of ToG.
There are only like a couple of named irregulars in the tower. He is one of them.
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people worryin too muchabout power levels anyways, this shit ain't dbz just try to enjoy it pls
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who said anything about dbz?
having someone like urek in the manhwa at the moment isnt good for character development, especially if urek is the one whos actually fighting and stomping everyone.
all the other characters become fodder and useless bystanders, baam included.
compare it to say, one piece, where almost every significant character is given enough development and importance regardless of their strength. tog isnt doing enough to actually get you invested into the characters. if anything its actually even more like dbz; just one villain after another and one powerup per villain so that the main character can take them out, then repeat
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It's so stupid to compare any manga/manhwa to another.
If you want more of this or that, go read that stuff again or look for some similiar title. ToG isn't trying to be DBZ or One Piece or anything. Powerlevels aren't even real as they do not have a real distinction. In DBZ there's this real "his powerlevel is xxx". In ToG you have shinsu control, but there's no level at how to do it. So why keep bothering about that?
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think of this as a RPG and urek as the random super OP dude that joins the party for a short period and hard carries through a dungeon
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On June 06 2017 17:46 Beany wrote:
It's so stupid to compare any manga/manhwa to another.
If you want more of this or that, go read that stuff again or look for some similiar title. ToG isn't trying to be DBZ or One Piece or anything. Powerlevels aren't even real as they do not have a real distinction. In DBZ there's this real "his powerlevel is xxx". In ToG you have shinsu control, but there's no level at how to do it. So why keep bothering about that?
again, dont know why you guys all keep bring up power levels. that isnt the subject of my problem with the storytelling of tog nowadays.
tog used to be well thought out "games" and unique plot with all the initial characters having distinct roles and significance within the story. that was what made tog good, until baam got successive powerups in the hell train and the scale of the villains got too strong for the other characters to have a significant impact. again, there is a character development issue, but clearly all you guys are interested in is a good guy stomping a bad guy and calling it a day so why bother with the argument i guess..
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On June 07 2017 14:27 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2017 17:46 Beany wrote:
It's so stupid to compare any manga/manhwa to another.
If you want more of this or that, go read that stuff again or look for some similiar title. ToG isn't trying to be DBZ or One Piece or anything. Powerlevels aren't even real as they do not have a real distinction. In DBZ there's this real "his powerlevel is xxx". In ToG you have shinsu control, but there's no level at how to do it. So why keep bothering about that? again, dont know why you guys all keep bring up power levels. that isnt the subject of my problem with the storytelling of tog nowadays. tog used to be well thought out "games" and unique plot with all the initial characters having distinct roles and significance within the story. that was what made tog good, until baam got successive powerups in the hell train and the scale of the villains got too strong for the other characters to have a significant impact. again, there is a character development issue, but clearly all you guys are interested in is a good guy stomping a bad guy and calling it a day so why bother with the argument i guess..
Now there's an argument I agree with.
But the thing is, I can imagine the storyline having to change and stray away from the games etc. Doesn't mean the different roles being played by characters has to go away too. And I dislike that this is happening. But from a storytelling point of view, I understand it. The Tower is too unstable and too many floors don't have a straight admin that makes up the rules and games.
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I gotta say, after a bunch successive arcs about characters punching each other, I'm kind of hankering for some elaborate test games again (not that those didn't have punching too.)
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On June 07 2017 14:27 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2017 17:46 Beany wrote:
It's so stupid to compare any manga/manhwa to another.
If you want more of this or that, go read that stuff again or look for some similiar title. ToG isn't trying to be DBZ or One Piece or anything. Powerlevels aren't even real as they do not have a real distinction. In DBZ there's this real "his powerlevel is xxx". In ToG you have shinsu control, but there's no level at how to do it. So why keep bothering about that? again, dont know why you guys all keep bring up power levels. that isnt the subject of my problem with the storytelling of tog nowadays. tog used to be well thought out "games" and unique plot with all the initial characters having distinct roles and significance within the story. that was what made tog good, until baam got successive powerups in the hell train and the scale of the villains got too strong for the other characters to have a significant impact. again, there is a character development issue, but clearly all you guys are interested in is a good guy stomping a bad guy and calling it a day so why bother with the argument i guess..
This echoes what I've posted in the past, it's good to see I'm not alone in this. Baam has been accruing a ridiculous amount of power and characters are saying that they can't keep up. The previous arcs were about co-operating as a team and outplaying opponents, lately the arcs have all been about Baam facing against a bad guy X in a one on one.
I feel this is a problem because the supporting characters are pushed into the background, characters that really made the world feel alive and real since some of them are normal-like people. They are also witnessing Baam's journey up the tower from the sidelines.
Now that someone said it, I agree that Urek carrying Baam & co. through the floor of death is a good thing since it was advertised as a seriously dangerous place, plus Hwa Ryun said at least one of the party will die (hasn't happened yet IIRC). After they clear the floor of death with Urek's help, the regular floors after will still pose a danger to them.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
Nice moralizing about harming people Urek, do you remember the time you almost killed several regulars just because they were inside a whale on a test? I understand whaling and poaching are crimes, but death seems a bit disproportionate, especially given ignorance.
What I liked about Baam was that he was the kind of guy who always fought for "the little guy", especially apparent in the Name City arc, but even earlier he tried to be kind and just to people and seemed to be rather alone in doing that. It's what made him especially unique, not just the fact he was some sort of learning genius. Urek turning out to be just some good guy makes Baam look like Urek 0.2 imo.
Not to complain too much, I did get nerdchills watching Urek beat the everliving shit out of things the last few chapters, so there's that. :3
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On June 08 2017 00:14 herMan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 14:27 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 06 2017 17:46 Beany wrote:
It's so stupid to compare any manga/manhwa to another.
If you want more of this or that, go read that stuff again or look for some similiar title. ToG isn't trying to be DBZ or One Piece or anything. Powerlevels aren't even real as they do not have a real distinction. In DBZ there's this real "his powerlevel is xxx". In ToG you have shinsu control, but there's no level at how to do it. So why keep bothering about that? again, dont know why you guys all keep bring up power levels. that isnt the subject of my problem with the storytelling of tog nowadays. tog used to be well thought out "games" and unique plot with all the initial characters having distinct roles and significance within the story. that was what made tog good, until baam got successive powerups in the hell train and the scale of the villains got too strong for the other characters to have a significant impact. again, there is a character development issue, but clearly all you guys are interested in is a good guy stomping a bad guy and calling it a day so why bother with the argument i guess.. This echoes what I've posted in the past, it's good to see I'm not alone in this. Baam has been accruing a ridiculous amount of power and characters are saying that they can't keep up. The previous arcs were about co-operating as a team and outplaying opponents, lately the arcs have all been about Baam facing against a bad guy X in a one on one. I feel this is a problem because the supporting characters are pushed into the background, characters that really made the world feel alive and real since some of them are normal-like people. They are also witnessing Baam's journey up the tower from the sidelines. Now that someone said it, I agree that Urek carrying Baam & co. through the floor of death is a good thing since it was advertised as a seriously dangerous place, plus Hwa Ryun said at least one of the party will die (hasn't happened yet IIRC). After they clear the floor of death with Urek's help, the regular floors after will still pose a danger to them.
Someone did die or is about to die... Rachel! :D :D
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no way rachel dies now. i could bet my life savings on that
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On June 08 2017 17:36 evilfatsh1t wrote:
no way rachel dies now. i could bet my life savings on that
it WOULD be an interesting twist. Instead of learning about her normally, we'd have to excavate through her past. I wouldn't mind that TOO much.., But I'd really want Koon to be the one to kill her. In a horrible humiliating fashion.
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yeah i think it would be a pleasant surprise if siu just killed off the main antagonist and created a new one that would be more suitable for a character like baam (maybe karaka?).
i just dont see it happening though
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I don't know if Karaka would be a suitable villain for Baam. He just seems like your standard immanakillUUU villain without all that much added on, EXCEPT his relationship with Wangnan. I think Baam shines through much more when going against villains that he has a complex relationship with like Rachel, or even Kaiser by the end, because against your normal opposition like Karaka he just gets asspull powerup and it's not all that interesting. Against people he wants to save or even just chase he's way more fun to watch, because of how he tries to handle things.
If any of the established baddies were to become the main villain, I think Ha Jinsung would be a much more interesting one.
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Karaka has motivations and stuff, he doesn't want to just overthrow Jahad and take power or something. It's been hinted at in his interactions with Yuri and Rachel, he's also not at the top of the hierarchy either without being a lackey.
It's just SIU doesn't give too much about FUG's members' reasons, we only got a glimpse of Ha Jinsung and Xia Xia, for example, but not much for Hwa Ryun or others.
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how convenient that baam gets stronger again rofl
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On June 12 2017 14:08 ticklishmusic wrote:+ Show Spoiler +so did Baal effectively become the admin of the floor?
Who is Baal?
But yeah, we all saw this coming.
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I mean, I didn't. I kinda thought we were done with powerups for a while. But I guess he'll need some, if he will have to fight the White with the power of all the souls from the spirit room.
Also, what is the shrunken Karaka head following the White? Is that just a thing he can do now?
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