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ETisME
12476 Posts
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TMStarcraft
Australia686 Posts
On August 18 2011 10:55 GMarshal wrote: Over A Barrel is actually one of my least favorite episodes, despite having one of the better bits of dialogue with the "fluttershy isn't a tree". I think the main thing that makes this episode a bad starter is that the ponies don't actually achieve anything, at all. Had they not shown up the exact same showdown would have taken place, the same resolution would have been reached. In the end we have no reason to care, all we see is a town of ponies being dicks to the bisons and the bisons being equally unreasonable. Frankly if we weren't already invested in the Mane Six we wouldn't really give a damn. The ponies also don't really overcome any internal challenges, or heck any external challenges. Overall the episode just feels like we are taking a tour of appelousia and that's it. I know a lot of people enjoy it, but its one of the least enjoyable episodes IMO EDIT: hacklebeast disagrees! Time to argue! EDIT2: Added the fiddler tribute to the OP. Such a well done video ^_^ + Show Spoiler + I would agree to a point. Pinkie did tip them over from reluctance to all out war with her song. It was damn funny though. About feeling pinkie keen, I took it for what it was, entertainment. In fact, it was the episode that sold me on the series as a whole and on Pinkie Pie being #1 On August 18 2011 12:28 viralintruder wrote: Feeling Pinkie Keen was decent, but I do have to say that I felt it was one of the less continuous episodes of the bunch and I didn't really enjoy it as much as I would have hoped. The premise of "Pinkie Sense" seemed like it was just thrown in there and as many have pointed out it never played a role after that episode finished. Being focused on something as whimsical as that, as opposed to other episodes with much more substantial (and equally whimsical) plots but with more action and better fluidity of storytelling made me a little disappointed. Well to be fair the majority of episodes does not flow on to much else. But then again the lack of "pinkie sense" after that episode is glaringly obvious (to the shows detriment). | ||
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Thallis
United States314 Posts
On August 18 2011 11:21 RoKetha wrote: I agree that Over a Barrel is pretty bad overall. (Spoilered for plot details.) + Show Spoiler + Not everything about it is bad, and it's definitely got some really great moments. The part on the train is amazing, and Pinkie's song is hilarious provided the viewer takes the huge number of hints (stunned faces, comments afterwards) that it's supposed to be bad, plus there's the matter of her getup. Just about anything not related to the plot here is good. But the core conflict of the episode is handled beyond terribly. The initial dispute sounds stupid to begin with; the buffalo want the land just because their forefathers had it, so they can stampede on it (stampeding is not exactly a necessity, and no reason why it is is ever stated in the show). Then the resolution of this land dispute and small war turns out to be, "Herp derp apple pie tastes good so we'll reason now." Then one minute scene and done, happy ending. Which, needless to say, is beyond stupid. On top of that, the extremely obvious and intentional parallels to the Native Americans in the episode were borderline offensive, when you consider that what happened there was usually what could be called full-scale genocide. Bringing the message of "sharing and caring" to that historical context, along with the stupid simple reasons for the dispute shown here, is just childish, and it really goes against the idea of not talking down to anyone that the rest of the show holds. I'd say that this episode, if seen first, would lead someone to believe that the show is meant to be dumbed down for children more than any other episode. + Show Spoiler + The stampeding is meant to be a tradition, something akin to a religious tradition that they have to uphold. The dispute is stupid because it was meant to be; the point of the episode is a commentary about how many wars and conflicts can be avoided if the parties involved are not stubborn and attempt to compromise. The parallels are just meant to be an example of when a brutal conflict over land could have been easily avoided peacefully. Just as the the tradition is "unnecessary," so is the manifest destiny attitude of "because the land is there it's ours." The main fault of the episode lies in the moral statement, as it is unnecessarily confusing and off point. If twilight had just talked about the importance of compromise, this episode wouldn't nearly be as misunderstood as it is. It's actually one of my favorites of the season. | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
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Satire
Canada295 Posts
More power to you if you enjoy it, but this is not my cup of tea. I read many of the comments in here to try get an understanding of how people can be obsessed with this, but I'm really not getting it. When I watch Sailor Moon I get nostalgia and smile, so it must be similar to that for some people when watching this show. Still, the Japanese version of Sailor Moon has its own charm and humour that is more 'adult'esque'. This show has occasional adult references, but it's clearly produced to its demographic. Perhaps I expected too much out of it, but I really doubt it. I'm pretty open to just about anything, and 3 of my top 10 favourite shows are children's cartoons. (Avatar: The Last Airbender, Sailor Moon, and Gargoyles) This show just doesn't do it for me. | ||
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viralintruder
Jamaica140 Posts
What I meant by continuous was that the episode didn't have anything holding it together. It was a random string of events, that while they may not be unbelievable in themselves seem quite propelled as it were when all these events culminate: + Show Spoiler + 1) Pinkie Pie out of the blue has strange feeling that predict the future. 2) Twilight, being scientific and, as otherwise shown, quite reasonable for the most part, decides to go on a crusade to debunk Pinkie's prediction powers. This seems petty and forced for some reason. 3) In her movement to study Pinkie Pie, they are drawn to the bog [conveniently] on the borders of the Everfree Forest, where Fluttershy (who is deathly scared of said forest) seems quite content to be with the fauna in spite of possible danger. 4) Gigantic death-dealing hydra chase scene. They all seemed so scared when the Manticor, the massive red dragon, and the Cockatrice appeared. No one knew that a monster of that magnitude lived so close to Ponyville? 5) Miraculous salvation for all ponies present, thanks to Pinkie Sense. Other episodes have much more structured plots such as Sonic Rainboom, Dragonshy, or even Suited For Success (which has a few issues as well, but not as much as this one). Fluttershy doesn't randomly scold dragons because Rarity woke up early and made her a nice dress, and Rainbow Dash doesn't make a sonic rainboom because she was hankering to get a slice of a pie Applejack baked. These episodes have climaxes that are built up with plot advancement, not strung together randomly like this one. NOT SURPRISINGLY, this episode (and Over a Barrel) was written by Dave Polsky who's experience is in live-acting where random events are much less believable as a plot gimmick. Not bad-mouthing anyone though. http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Dave_Polsky | ||
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Rareware
Canada340 Posts
On August 18 2011 13:44 Satire wrote: Go around to watching episode 3 and episode 4 tonight. Wasn't overly impressed. While it is a good children's TV show, I honestly cannot fathom how it is appealing to adults. I had to force myself to watch the last 2 episodes because I have been largely disinterested in this show since I started watching. I really can't help but feel like it's just an internet fad. It has its charms of course, but really, I just don't get it. I really don't feel like it's deserving of the level of obsession it's getting. More power to you if you enjoy it, but this is not my cup of tea. I read many of the comments in here to try get an understanding of how people can be obsessed with this, but I'm really not getting it. When I watch Sailor Moon I get nostalgia and smile, so it must be similar to that for some people when watching this show. Still, the Japanese version of Sailor Moon has its own charm and humour that is more 'adult'esque'. This show has occasional adult references, but it's clearly produced to its demographic. Perhaps I expected too much out of it, but I really doubt it. I'm pretty open to just about anything, and 3 of my top 10 favourite shows are children's cartoons. (Avatar: The Last Airbender, Sailor Moon, and Gargoyles) This show just doesn't do it for me. Hmm... What exactly didn't you like about the show? Calling it an "internet fad", and not deserving of the attention it's getting, without explaining what you didn't like about it, doesn't leave any reasoning to your argument... | ||
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viralintruder
Jamaica140 Posts
On August 18 2011 13:44 Satire wrote: + Show Spoiler + Go around to watching episode 3 and episode 4 tonight. Wasn't overly impressed. While it is a good children's TV show, I honestly cannot fathom how it is appealing to adults. I had to force myself to watch the last 2 episodes because I have been largely disinterested in this show since I started watching. I really can't help but feel like it's just an internet fad. It has its charms of course, but really, I just don't get it. I really don't feel like it's deserving of the level of obsession it's getting. More power to you if you enjoy it, but this is not my cup of tea. I read many of the comments in here to try get an understanding of how people can be obsessed with this, but I'm really not getting it. When I watch Sailor Moon I get nostalgia and smile, so it must be similar to that for some people when watching this show. Still, the Japanese version of Sailor Moon has its own charm and humour that is more 'adult'esque'. This show has occasional adult references, but it's clearly produced to its demographic. Perhaps I expected too much out of it, but I really doubt it. I'm pretty open to just about anything, and 3 of my top 10 favourite shows are children's cartoons. (Avatar: The Last Airbender, Sailor Moon, and Gargoyles) This show just doesn't do it for me. You should never force yourself to try to like something you don't. It does have it's appeals though; it's not an internet fad. The time you spent watching the show and writing it up is appreciated, but MLP just can't appeal to everyone. | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On August 18 2011 13:59 Rareware wrote: Hmm... What exactly didn't you like about the show? Calling it an "internet fad", and not deserving of the attention it's getting, without explaining what you didn't like about it, doesn't leave any reasoning to your argument... Like Viral said, I think he gave it a very fair chance. Watched 4 episodes (over 1.5 hours) of the show before deciding it wasnt for him. Not understanding that someone doesn't like MLP is just as bad as others not understanding how we like it, perhaps even worse. | ||
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Satire
Canada295 Posts
On August 18 2011 13:59 Rareware wrote: Hmm... What exactly didn't you like about the show? Calling it an "internet fad", and not deserving of the attention it's getting, without explaining what you didn't like about it, doesn't leave any reasoning to your argument... I thought I made it somewhat clear, and offered some explanation. I suppose I'll compare it to shows that I do like. For example, in terms of the characters - there is some development evident there, which is nice. In one of the episodes I watched, Apple Jacks was trying to harvest all the apples in the orchard by herself and struggling. She was considered excellent at helping others and a very loyal friend, but struggled at allowing others to help her. This is true for a lot of people of a similar mentality. The progression of plot and story line here was very simple, and followed the natural progression of every other episode I watched. Each of the ponies were involved individually, one-by-one, somehow in the natural theme, and ultimately the situation would be resolved by all of them coming together. It's pretty cliche, but you saw it coming. That's not a bad thing. Most stories follow a natural plot progression like this, so it's not that it's bad. It's the method in which they go about it. I have no interest in the fact that the ponies of Ponyville became sick. Throwing chips, cola, and worms together does not interest me, nor do I find it all that amusing. Although watching Apple Jacks do a face plant made me snicker to myself, it wasn't amusing enough to hold my attention for a prolonged period of time. The show was cute. None of the pony's interactions were particularly amusing to myself, nor did I find them entertaining, although I did find them cute. It's not that it was bad, because I think the show is quite good actually for what it aspires to be, but it just didn't interest me. I kept waiting for the episode to be over. I could imagine enjoying watching this with a child I babysat or perhaps my niece, but by myself, not so much. Now, in comparison to a parallel themed episode in a cartoon show that has characters that do interest me, Avatar: The Last Airbender. The plot of that particular episode is similar, where one of the main characters is seen as the 'Mother Hen' of the group of 4 and it is starting to get to all of them, and one character in particular. Another character, known for her stubbornness brings it up after they get in an argument. This particular character acts out and is rebellious often, and they have a heart to heart later in the episode. The 'Mother Hen' girl admits she lost her mother young, and that she has been taking care of everyone for a long time as a result. She had to grow up so fast because she had to take care of herself and her brother. She forgets how to be a kid as a result. The other girl admits to being rebellious all the time, simply because her parents were over-protective of her and never let her out of their sight because she was blind. They both have their issues, and while they don't resolve them, they learn to live together better and understand each other more. The episode is longer and much more happens then this, but the general idea of the plot is the same (strength and weakness in characteristics). The means through which the story is told is more interesting to me. I can relate to the characters a lot more as they are more real. Characters like Zuko and Aang are foiled (character foils) absolutely brilliantly as both a hero and anti-hero that are reluctant to fulfill the roles they were born into, and how they can maintain their own beliefs while figuring out the 'right thing to do'. The story telling and even artistic presentation make this evident from the first episode on. I cannot stress enough just how well done I feel the characters are done in that show, and how well the humour is addressed to both adults and children at different times. The over lying tone for MLP is simplicity. This show is aimed at very young girls, so it has a simple charm to it. It needs to, otherwise it's missing its target demographic. It also has the occasional reference thrown in there for adults to enjoy, anticipating that parents likely watch it with their kids. It's also incredibly cute and the art is exceptionally well done for what it aims to do. The characters, although cookie cutter, have (more-or-less) real moral issues to deal with. I think that makes this show an excellent children's show! However, watching this as a 26 year old male, I just can't really enjoy it. I get really bored. I need something I can relate to, and as I said before, Sailor Moon is my "childhood nostalgia" show, so I don't get that innocent vibe from this. Plus Sailor Moon makes me laugh from the slapstick humour and the over-the-top girl themes sometimes. There is a simple innocence and charm about Usagi that I also love. PS - opinions are just that, opinions. No matter how much reasoning I give or do not, in the end it's still my opinion and is no more 'right' then yours. I am not trying to insult anyone who does like this show. I'm not one to judge. I just have a difficult time understanding why so many people are obsessed to the level they are about this show, when I honestly feel like there are better shows out there that do a better job of what people like about this show. Again, just an opinion. People talk about character development and innocence, but I haven't really seen anything in the 5 episodes I watched that indicate this just isn't a well above average children's show. MLP does a great job of doing this for a younger audience, and I respect that; but, on an adult level I'm just not seeing the charm. Sorry. | ||
swanized
Canada2480 Posts
reading through the various posts praising the show convinced me to give it a try. The characters are great and instantly likeable, the setting is really nice and defenitely fits the story wonderfully well, the story's good, the jokes are somewhat subtle compared to most kid's show and overall it just brings happiness to the viewer. It IS a great show. | ||
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
That said... WELCOME swanized! Glad you're enjoying it as much as we are! | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On August 18 2011 15:42 swanized wrote: I was highly skeptical when I started reading this thread earlier today. reading through the various posts praising the show convinced me to give it a try. The characters are great and instantly likeable, the setting is really nice and defenitely fits the story wonderfully well, the story's good, the jokes are somewhat subtle compared to most kid's show and overall it just brings happiness to the viewer. It IS a great show. Swanized! I was partially responsible for your official hate thread! Whoops. ^^ | ||
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RA
Latvia791 Posts
Fluttershy for the win, I adore her. Have almost all of her funniest moments favorited on youtube  Overall this show is very positive and fun to watch. I lack positivity in my life so this is something where I replenish my reserves. And for idiots, excuse me but I don't know how to call people who behave like this otherwise, who think to question why does anyone likes the show - what's your business? I like it because I like it, nobody has to explain why or what. Especially when confronted with such attitude. Leave your negativity elsewhere. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
RA no need to call people idiots, there will always be people who disagree. We should always strive to explain so that people can understand us, that is the only way to actually understand each other. @Satire, thank you for your great write up about why you didn't enjoy MLP, I always appreciate honesty and your piece was particularly well articulated. Thanks for giving it a chance at least. also, bonus material. I don't know why but I found this... dawwwwwinspiring + Show Spoiler [for all the rainbowdash fans] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4NboY.jpg) (you may need to click on it for it to render properly ) Edit2: For awesomeness + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4kjBw.png) EDIT3: TL bot yelled at me because the pictures were too large, so I went back and fixed it. | ||
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Soulfire
United States237 Posts
On August 18 2011 17:01 GMarshal wrote: welcome RA and swanized. RA no need to call people idiots, there will always be people who disagree. We should always strive to explain so that people can understand us, that is the only way to actually understand each other. @Satire, thank you for your great write up about why you didn't enjoy MLP, I always appreciate honesty and your piece was particularly well articulated. Thanks for giving it a chance at least. also, bonus material. I don't know why but I found this... dawwwwwinspiring + Show Spoiler [for all the rainbowdash fans] + ![[image loading]](http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/229/3/0/memories_by_capt_nemo-d46ycwc.png) (you may need to click on it for it to render properly ) Edit2: For awesomeness + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://h5.abload.de/img/13135891884669jbb.png) Aww, nice comic. Thanks for posting! | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On August 18 2011 17:01 GMarshal wrote: welcome RA and swanized. RA no need to call people idiots, there will always be people who disagree. We should always strive to explain so that people can understand us, that is the only way to actually understand each other. @Satire, thank you for your great write up about why you didn't enjoy MLP, I always appreciate honesty and your piece was particularly well articulated. Thanks for giving it a chance at least. also, bonus material. I don't know why but I found this... dawwwwwinspiring + Show Spoiler [for all the rainbowdash fans] + (you may need to click on it for it to render properly ) Edit2: For awesomeness + Show Spoiler + EDIT3: TL bot yelled at me because the pictures were too large, so I went back and fixed it. As a Rainbow Dash fan, this made my day, thank you. | ||
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Soulfire
United States237 Posts
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TMStarcraft
Australia686 Posts
On August 18 2011 13:59 viralintruder wrote: @TMStarcraft What I meant by continuous was that the episode didn't have anything holding it together. It was a random string of events, that while they may not be unbelievable in themselves seem quite propelled as it were when all these events culminate: + Show Spoiler + 1) Pinkie Pie out of the blue has strange feeling that predict the future. 2) Twilight, being scientific and, as otherwise shown, quite reasonable for the most part, decides to go on a crusade to debunk Pinkie's prediction powers. This seems petty and forced for some reason. 3) In her movement to study Pinkie Pie, they are drawn to the bog [conveniently] on the borders of the Everfree Forest, where Fluttershy (who is deathly scared of said forest) seems quite content to be with the fauna in spite of possible danger. 4) Gigantic death-dealing hydra chase scene. They all seemed so scared when the Manticor, the massive red dragon, and the Cockatrice appeared. No one knew that a monster of that magnitude lived so close to Ponyville? 5) Miraculous salvation for all ponies present, thanks to Pinkie Sense. Other episodes have much more structured plots such as Sonic Rainboom, Dragonshy, or even Suited For Success (which has a few issues as well, but not as much as this one). Fluttershy doesn't randomly scold dragons because Rarity woke up early and made her a nice dress, and Rainbow Dash doesn't make a sonic rainboom because she was hankering to get a slice of a pie Applejack baked. These episodes have climaxes that are built up with plot advancement, not strung together randomly like this one. NOT SURPRISINGLY, this episode (and Over a Barrel) was written by Dave Polsky who's experience is in live-acting where random events are much less believable as a plot gimmick. Not bad-mouthing anyone though. http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Dave_Polsky Ahh I see. I'll go through some of your points then. + Show Spoiler + 1) Yep, pinkie sense came out of nowhere. Definitely bad form, but it played out to be quite funny. 2) Twilight being overly skeptical does fall within her bookworm nature (think back to Zacora and the 'curses' episode where she dismisses the Supernatural Remedies book out of hand), but her 'aha! I told you so/waiting to tell you so!' attitude seemed very out of character. 3) Not sure where you got this from. They traveled to the bog after pinkie has the whole body shakes. Fluttershy going in to the forest is not so far fetched. She did the same for Apple Bloom and the other two fillies and in this particular episode she was carrying out her 'help the animals' duties. She gives off a shy, reserved persona, but when she has to she can be quite strong. 4) I'm not too sure what you are trying to get at with this one. The fact that they hadn't mentioned the hydra previously? I would've found it stranger if they tried to put in a random mention of it somewhere in the episode. Apologies if I misread your point. 5) To be fair, Pinkie Sense only really saved Twilight (maybe Fluttershy as well). Yes the episode does have some flaws, particularly with Twilight's attitude towards Pinkie, but I don't think it's as bad as you make it out to be. edit: And nawwwww Rainbow Dash! | ||
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pyrogenetix
China5095 Posts
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