On October 09 2011 18:32 pepkin88 wrote: GMarshal’s “Yesyesyes” video reminded me of something:
Twilight Sparkle was originally supposed to be the G1 Pony Twilight (which her mom is a shoutout to), but Hasbro doesn't have the rights to any of the original ponies besides Applejack. All 6 of the cast were originally supposed to be G1 ponies.
Twilight Sparkle - Twilight Pinkie Pie - Surprise (A Pegasus) Fluttershy - Posey (An earth pony) Rainbow Dash - Firefly Applejack was Applejack, and I forget Rarity's original name. Sparkler or something silly like that.
On October 09 2011 22:54 prplhz wrote: am i the only one bothered by the idealization of a racially segregated monarchy where inhabitants are branded for life at a certain age?
That's the mindset of all Luna Republican-oriented ponies, but I, as an avid Celestia Monarchy fan, think this is BS.
First of all, there is no racial segregation: while some races do better than others in certain aspects, that's just who they are. While Pegasus can fly and take care of weather, Unicorns use magic and take care of complicated matters, Earth Ponies are more agile and stronger while also knowing all the secrets about Earth itself. And a race won't determine your position in society either: you see Earth Ponies who are great designers, musicians, teachers or simple farmers, as well as Unicorns who are at the high scale in society or live a simple life in a place like Ponyville, as well as Pegasi who are simple workers at the weather station or are extremely popular as the Wonderbolts.
Either way, there is no racial segregation: while it is impossible for a mixture of races to be born, there are ponies child of Unicorn/Pegasi, Pegasi/Earth, Unicorn/Earth and there is nothing wrong with it.
And they may be "branded to life", but it's not really that much of a deal. For instance, the cutiemark is something that can be left to interpretation, and isn't always exact. Secondly, this is a way to answer the question of "Why am I here?". You get a purpose in life in case you can't find your own.
And finally, you are not completely forced to the cutiemark. Take for instace Rarity: She has three diamonds as a cutiemark. You would expect her to become some sort of geologist or miner with a cutiemark oriented to gems. Yet she is a fashion designer capable of creating really strong illusions(See "Art of the Dress"), even though she is supposed to have a connection to gems and minerals.
So while the cutiemark is a "brand", you don't have to follow it as a rule, but it can work as a direction in case you are in doubt of who you are.
That's why the Celestia Monarchy is the best regime. Celestia knows what she does, and even if you don't understand it, there is a reason! Believe! obey!
I think there is some segregation with the "Cloud City" (I think it's called, whatever it's in Sonic Rainboom). It's a town where only pegasi live and they aren't bothered by this excessively homogeneous society at all, they could choose to live closer to the ground like Rainbow Dash but they want to live where only their own kind are.
The cutiemarks are permanent tattoos you get upon reaching the "pony teenager" years, and at that point you will already be branded as something for the rest of your live. You could argue that there is wiggle room but I think it just reinforces the idea that whatever you are when you are a teenager, you will be for the rest of your life. Deal with it, embrace it, whatever, there's no way out of it. Sucks if you turn out to be a loser.
As for your last statement, I don't know if you're joking there. You make it seem like it's not even just a monarchy but a theocracy. Kinda like Iran, you know?
And all this is subtly hidden away behind messages of "friendship", the 8-12 year old girl equivalent of love. It appears that the society they live in is great because it allows friendship, but in reality I don't know if this is true.
Also a disclaimer, I've watched the show and all and I like it but I think people need to think about stuff no matter if they're watching for fun or not. Cartoons WILL influence kids (and adults too if they're not careful), and also talking about these things are fun
On October 09 2011 23:49 Ribbon wrote: Twilight Sparkle was originally supposed to be the G1 Pony Twilight (which her mom is a shoutout to), but Hasbro doesn't have the rights to any of the original ponies besides Applejack. All 6 of the cast were originally supposed to be G1 ponies.
Twilight Sparkle - Twilight Pinkie Pie - Surprise (A Pegasus) Fluttershy - Posey (An earth pony) Rainbow Dash - Firefly Applejack was Applejack, and I forget Rarity's original name. Sparkler or something silly like that.
Friendship is Magic: The show where even copyright law setbacks work in its favor.
On October 09 2011 18:03 Aylear wrote: Hi everypony.
I thought I'd share this bit of MLP history with you all, as I haven't seen it in this thread yet. It's called The Circle Of Friends. This is for those of you who love the show and its characters, and generally consider yourselves bronies.
Be at home, somewhere quiet, and alone. It will take you about 5 minutes.
The short story called The Circle of Friends is one of the rare few six-star rated fanfics on ED -- and it's only a couple of pages long. I never read fanfics normally, but when this challenge was posted I saw that it wouldn't take too long to read, and the thread itself was getting more responses than a GSL live report thread.
The challenge was simply, "don't cry."
I failed.
Really? This story didn't affect me in the slightest, even with the music playing. My Little Dashie was 10x sadder than this IMO. There's a lot of stuff sadder than this.
On October 09 2011 23:57 RPR_Tempest wrote: Really? This story didn't affect me in the slightest, even with the music playing. My Little Dashie was 10x sadder than this IMO. There's a lot of stuff sadder than this.
'Twas Spring. Things may not have been as… refined back then. Besides, the mood of the story is more bittersweet than "sad" to begin with. Personally, I wasn't a fan of MLD's imposed melancholy.
On October 09 2011 18:32 pepkin88 wrote: GMarshal’s “Yesyesyes” video reminded me of something:
Twilight Sparkle was originally supposed to be the G1 Pony Twilight (which her mom is a shoutout to), but Hasbro doesn't have the rights to any of the original ponies besides Applejack. All 6 of the cast were originally supposed to be G1 ponies.
Twilight Sparkle - Twilight Pinkie Pie - Surprise (A Pegasus) Fluttershy - Posey (An earth pony) Rainbow Dash - Firefly Applejack was Applejack, and I forget Rarity's original name. Sparkler or something silly like that.
On October 09 2011 22:54 prplhz wrote: am i the only one bothered by the idealization of a racially segregated monarchy where inhabitants are branded for life at a certain age?
That's the mindset of all Luna Republican-oriented ponies, but I, as an avid Celestia Monarchy fan, think this is BS.
First of all, there is no racial segregation: while some races do better than others in certain aspects, that's just who they are. While Pegasus can fly and take care of weather, Unicorns use magic and take care of complicated matters, Earth Ponies are more agile and stronger while also knowing all the secrets about Earth itself. And a race won't determine your position in society either: you see Earth Ponies who are great designers, musicians, teachers or simple farmers, as well as Unicorns who are at the high scale in society or live a simple life in a place like Ponyville, as well as Pegasi who are simple workers at the weather station or are extremely popular as the Wonderbolts.
Either way, there is no racial segregation: while it is impossible for a mixture of races to be born, there are ponies child of Unicorn/Pegasi, Pegasi/Earth, Unicorn/Earth and there is nothing wrong with it.
And they may be "branded to life", but it's not really that much of a deal. For instance, the cutiemark is something that can be left to interpretation, and isn't always exact. Secondly, this is a way to answer the question of "Why am I here?". You get a purpose in life in case you can't find your own.
And finally, you are not completely forced to the cutiemark. Take for instace Rarity: She has three diamonds as a cutiemark. You would expect her to become some sort of geologist or miner with a cutiemark oriented to gems. Yet she is a fashion designer capable of creating really strong illusions(See "Art of the Dress"), even though she is supposed to have a connection to gems and minerals.
So while the cutiemark is a "brand", you don't have to follow it as a rule, but it can work as a direction in case you are in doubt of who you are.
That's why the Celestia Monarchy is the best regime. Celestia knows what she does, and even if you don't understand it, there is a reason! Believe! obey!
I think there is some segregation with the "Cloud City" (I think it's called, whatever it's in Sonic Rainboom). It's a town where only pegasi live and they aren't bothered by this excessively homogeneous society at all, they could choose to live closer to the ground like Rainbow Dash but they want to live where only their own kind are.
The cutiemarks are permanent tattoos you get upon reaching the "pony teenager" years, and at that point you will already be branded as something for the rest of your live. You could argue that there is wiggle room but I think it just reinforces the idea that whatever you are when you are a teenager, you will be for the rest of your life. Deal with it, embrace it, whatever, there's no way out of it. Sucks if you turn out to be a loser.
As for your last statement, I don't know if you're joking there. You make it seem like it's not even just a monarchy but a theocracy. Kinda like Iran, you know?
And all this is subtly hidden away behind messages of "friendship", the 8-12 year old girl equivalent of love. It appears that the society they live in is great because it allows friendship, but in reality I don't know if this is true.
Also a disclaimer, I've watched the show and all and I like it but I think people need to think about stuff no matter if they're watching for fun or not. Cartoons WILL influence kids (and adults too if they're not careful), and also talking about these things are fun
You present some interesting thoughts about the show. But we are limited to what they'll show us. It means that everything can be interpreted in different ways. For example, the cutie mark thing could be: — a tip how to live — a destiny which every pony wants to fulfill — just an avatar, graphic symbol, which could be disregarded
Is it a theocracy? For me yes. Or even more, the whole thing could be a big hoax: day/night cycle works without any help, the winter wrap up is unnecessary. Celestia rules the world, because has wings AND horn and knows some fancy magic. Yes, it could be a totalitarianism. Whatever you will see in it, might be true. But I don't think that children see those things. Most of those things don't even influence their lives subliminally. However some of them might suggest something (like that religious controversy around episode 15).
On October 10 2011 00:34 pepkin88 wrote: For example, the cutie mark thing could be: — a tip how to live — a destiny which every pony wants to fulfill — just an avatar, graphic symbol, which could be disregarded
It's a confirmation.
Is it a theocracy? For me yes. Or even more, the whole thing could be a big hoax: day/night cycle works without any help, the winter wrap up is unnecessary.
Nightmare Moon clearly exerted control over the cycle. They've been late with the Wrap-up before, and Spring didn't start by itself.
Celestia rules the world, because has wings AND horn and knows some fancy magic. Yes, it could be a totalitarianism.
Democracy isn't intrinsically superior. We just don't have entities qualified for absolute rulership.
Whatever you will see in it, might be true. But I don't think that children see those things. Most of those things don't even influence their lives subliminally. However some of them might suggest something (like that religious controversy around episode 15).
Pinkie Sense is bio-magical, and only partially covered by Twilight's field of study.
On October 10 2011 00:34 pepkin88 wrote: For example, the cutie mark thing could be: — a tip how to live — a destiny which every pony wants to fulfill — just an avatar, graphic symbol, which could be disregarded
Is it a theocracy? For me yes. Or even more, the whole thing could be a big hoax: day/night cycle works without any help, the winter wrap up is unnecessary.
Nightmare Moon clearly exerted control over the cycle. They've been late with the Wrap-up before, and Spring didn't start by itself.
Whatever you will see in it, might be true. But I don't think that children see those things. Most of those things don't even influence their lives subliminally. However some of them might suggest something (like that religious controversy around episode 15).
Pinkie Sense is bio-magical, and only partially covered by Twilight's field of study.
1. Confirmation of what? I haven't denied or confirmed anything there. 2. I forgot about Nightmare, but even though they conflicted a dark inexplicable force (which possessed Luna), maybe only Nightmare could do that. They had that legend, it could be forged. Anything is possible if the creators won't show differently. I know it less likely, but still possible, unless I forgot about something important which shows it isn't possible. They were late with their calendars and there was a lot of snow before the wrap up. Spring can also be late sometimes. 3. I haven't said it is. In fact I think that monarchy works better than democracy. 4. In the show nobody explained that it was bio-magical, it could be anything.
It's a really good alternate universe story, that pretty much takes place in a world where Celestia was defeated by Nightmare Moon. It's really well written, and is definitely one of the best stories i've read in a while.
this is like a cliche now in fanfic writing u know twilight like screws up a spell gets sent to another universe and nightmare moon won in that universe like the night that never ended i believe its called
On October 10 2011 02:34 pepkin88 wrote: 1. Confirmation of what? I haven't denied or confirmed anything there.
That they're doing the right thing.
2. I forgot about Nightmare, but even though they conflicted a dark inexplicable force (which possessed Luna), maybe only Nightmare could do that. They had that legend, it could be forged.
Nothing "possessed" Luna.
Anything is possible if the creators won't show differently. I know it less likely, but still possible, unless I forgot about something important which shows it isn't possible.
Just because something may technically be "possible" doesn't mean it should be taken seriously if it's sufficiently unlikely; see "zombie ponies".
They were late with their calendars and there was a lot of snow before the wrap up. Spring can also be late sometimes.
If the purpose of the Wrap-up is to make way for Spring by a certain date, it's not "unnecessary" even if it would happen on its own later on.
4. In the show nobody explained that it was bio-magical, it could be anything.
Between "Luna was possessed!" and "Feeling Pinkie Keen is religious!", I'm perfectly happy settling for a logical in-universe interpretation.
On October 10 2011 03:18 HardMacro wrote: So I have a question for you "bronies".
Are the producers/writers of the show aware of your existence? If so, then do they in anyway cater to this older, predominately male audience?
Thanks.
They are very much aware and communicate with the fanbase on a regular basis, but they only do minor things as a shout out to us in actual episodes. (Derpy is like a where's waldo in almost every episode). For the most part they are making the show the same way as they did when they started since that is what caused us to like the show in the first place. A reference here and there to popular culture in some episodes (whether or not that is an actual shout out or the production crew entertaining themselves is unknown).
Oh, and the equestria girls ad gives a direct shout out.
On October 10 2011 03:18 HardMacro wrote: So I have a question for you "bronies".
Are the producers/writers of the show aware of your existence? If so, then do they in anyway cater to this older, predominately male audience?
Thanks.
We've got interviews and/or other responses from the creator and former executive producer, current executive producer, co-director, several animators and storyboard artists, and music composer, so I'm confident reporting a positive. Oh, and the aforementioned current executive producer was a guest of honor at the first-ever BroNYCon a couple of weeks ago. They're an awesome bunch.
What "catering" there is doesn't really show in the series itself, no. We do get cool ads, though:
They are very very aware, and as said, they do a couple shoutouts once in a while. But they intend to keep the show as much as it was before we appeared, as that is what make us like it so much.
Sat through the first episode, and can't say I enjoy it. Then I smoked stuffs and things, and ended up watching all of the first 5 episodes, having a blast while doing so ^_^
On October 10 2011 03:06 FnF wrote: That they're doing the right thing.
I don't know what is the right thing here. I know that no pony from main cast live against their cutie mark, but this subject is so rich that I wouldn't be surprised if creators do something unexpected with it. I hope for some independent pony story.
Nothing "possessed" Luna.
Why are you so sure? It's clearly for me that Luna was possessed by some mystical force. Nightmare Moon and Luna look like different ponies. If it isn't what happened, please explain me your vision. Was her soul's transformation so big, that even transformed her body?
Just because something may technically be "possible" doesn't mean it should be taken seriously if it's sufficiently unlikely; see "zombie ponies".
That's why I don't take it seriously, nonetheless I take it under consideration as an idea for a comic or fanart. My "hoax" example meant to show how diverse interpretation can be.
If the purpose of the Wrap-up is to make way for Spring by a certain date, it's not "unnecessary" even if it would happen on its own later on.
I think that the purpose of winter wrap-up is to make spring possible, rather that to bring spring at certain time. They might not to want to check if spring come by itself, being afraid of terrible consequences of being wrong.
Why are you so sure? It's clearly for me that Luna was possessed by some mystical force. Nightmare Moon and Luna look like different ponies. If it isn't what happened, please explain me your vision. Was her soul's transformation so big, that even transformed her body?
Rebellious youngsters make up spiky black alter-egos all the time. Luna just happened to have the power to manifest those visions to the degree of tragically blurring her grasp of reality.
See? We don't need an off-the-wall interpretation for everything.
On October 10 2011 03:39 HardMacro wrote: Awesome, thanks for the replies.
Sat through the first episode, and can't say I enjoy it. Then I smoked stuffs and things, and ended up watching all of the first 5 episodes, having a blast while doing so ^_^
dont need to get high to like them. Like i tell everyone u have to look at with a open eye. You look for the character development. I mean i though this was just some guys screwing around at first, but i never judge till i get a chance to see something 4 myself so i watched season one and i was pulled in i was like why the hell do u put character development in a show 4 little girls. thats what pulled me in just give it a chance without being stoned and watch the first season ive gone on a rant here but seriously watch season 1 without being stoned ( i know this makes no sense but im not deleting a minute of typing)
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