This will be a thread dedicated to the sub-genre of heavy metal: "death metal"
Short history: In the vein of recent developments in extreme metal, noteable "thrash metal" in the early 80's a small number of groups started to play a slight variant of thrash metal which would slowly come to shape death metal. Proto-death metal so to speak. Majorly influential records in the early stages include the early Hellhammer records, Posessed's Seven Churches, and various other records such as (then) hard thrashers Sepultura.
But when did death metal really become a stable genre?
There are two major years accompanied by very influential releases which are pointed as with being the "first" death metal records.
Death's 1987 debut "Scream Bloody Gore" is often pointed as being the first major death metal debut, featuring Chuck Schunilders signature death metal vocals. But the records had a very thrashy vibe. This is why Morbid Angel's 1989 debut is considered the first pure death metal record, featuring a very proficient use of blast beats and relentless riffing along with David Vincent's majestic death metal vocals.
Death metal has since then been rapidly developing, and has inspired many sub genres. This thread will only be for the closest family of genres, example: Technical death metal is allowed due to the technical tag being an addition rather than a fusion such as death metal and metalcore (deathcore).
Sorry for the spelling mistakes, I will try to clean up the mistakes later on. Discuss/share/request!
There is a nice story to it as at Wacken 2007, a scary big finnish guy came to our camp, looked me in the eyes and said "do you like brutal death metal?" with a very scary voice. I said "yeah, sure", and he gave me this cd. Since then it's my listen-while-drive-to-a-festival CD :-)
I already did a search and found no dedicated threads. I see a lot of discussiong being lost in the "heavy metal" thread due to a mix of genres, that is why I made this thread upon reading this post:
On July 25 2011 02:49 TATTOO wrote: mmmm this thread should be about heavy metal as opposed trash, death, and what have you. Its mostly death metal posts, and to be frank death and thrash metal have/need to have their own thread. i thought it would all be about priest sabbath and maiden, but alas.
Someone a few pages back said short hair and clean vocals is not metal. Caring about your appearance is not metal, and since having short hair is more practical they're the ones who dont give a shit. long hair is metal for the stage presence (why i have it at least) and if i wasnt in a band dear god i would have cut this shit off ages ago....Clean vocals are metal and are aesthetically essential to most manifestations of the genre, and simply dismissing them from your repertoire is really going to hurt your bands dynamics (unless you just got some beast ass motherfucker chris barnes type)
The heavy metal thread's title should really be changed to just The Metal Thread so people stop having the urge to make a new thread for every sub-genre of metal. -_- I mean it's already been turned into basically just 'the metal thread,' but in the past 2 days or so I've seen this thread, and a doom metal thread. Granted I love DM, but there's just no reason to have so many metal threads alive when there's basically already a universal metal thread that's 70+ pages.
I already did a search and found no dedicated threads. I see a lot of discussiong being lost in the "heavy metal" thread due to a mix of genres, that is why I made this thread upon reading this post:
On July 25 2011 02:49 TATTOO wrote: mmmm this thread should be about heavy metal as opposed trash, death, and what have you. Its mostly death metal posts, and to be frank death and thrash metal have/need to have their own thread. i thought it would all be about priest sabbath and maiden, but alas.
Someone a few pages back said short hair and clean vocals is not metal. Caring about your appearance is not metal, and since having short hair is more practical they're the ones who dont give a shit. long hair is metal for the stage presence (why i have it at least) and if i wasnt in a band dear god i would have cut this shit off ages ago....Clean vocals are metal and are aesthetically essential to most manifestations of the genre, and simply dismissing them from your repertoire is really going to hurt your bands dynamics (unless you just got some beast ass motherfucker chris barnes type)
Fair enough. Truth be told, I don't really put much effort into distinguishing similar genres, so I'll assume that you know what you're talking about here, and I'll back off.
On July 25 2011 04:53 ShivaN wrote: The heavy metal thread's title should really be changed to just The Metal Thread so people stop having the urge to make a new thread for every sub-genre of metal. -_- I mean it's already been turned into basically just 'the metal thread,' but in the past 2 days or so I've seen this thread, and a doom metal thread. Granted I love DM, but there's just no reason to have so many metal threads alive when there's basically already a universal metal thread that's 70+ pages.
I can follow your logic seeing as this is a general forum, not dedicated to music discussion only and it takes up too much space
On the other hand death, doom, thrash, black and other genres of metal are very different and I personally feel that a little order is a good thing. Especially for folks like me who will sometime be in mood for a specific thing or wanting to request/discuss something specific to a genre without completely disrupting the flow of another thread.
On July 25 2011 05:05 Soda wrote: I think these metal threads are getting a little out of hand. Nevertheless Here is what most people consider essential death metal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i38m-xGX7io
I would disagree by a small margin.
Death metal laters work move further and further away from pure death metal and more and more over to progressive death metal and with TSOP they were hardly death metal anymore.
Keep in mind that my favorite Death album is actually "Symbolic" and it is very relevant in the further development of death metla after its orgins. But as far as pure death metal I consider "Altars of Madness", "Mental Funeral", "Leprosy" and "Cause of Death".
Demilich and Demigod are my favorite finnish DM bands. Overoth was not half bad at all, thank for sharing. Here is some stuff I have been spinning these day:
Massacre - From Beyond is one of the early gems of the genre, not extraordinary in any way but extremely solid and just unrelenting! 2:40 is f'ing great.. "From beyond enter the horror Of a dark and hideous nature The fall of man is now at hand Awakened from an ancient slumber The immortal ones return The earth is theirs ones again"
Bolt Thrower aka the most consistent DM band ever:
Entombed when they were good:
Incredible new DM and grindish band "Undergang" from Denmark. I was pleased to see them on the otherwise lack luster Roskilde 2011 roster:
Great contributions trias_e and pasado. I am very fond of At the Gates myself, even in their melodeath years, Sacramentum is indeed BM and darn good. Carnage destroys, I am getting the feeling I need to give Dark Recollections another spin.
After the dissapointment that was Morbid Angel's new release we can all be happy that Autopsy's new record after a long hiatus kills:
The guitarist (I think) has made a deal with Dark Descent Records to release the old demos + some unreleased material on LP/CD. No date set yet, but it's about time that band get the justice it deserves. Remember when one of the demos started circulating on the internet 4-5 years back or so, was like nothing I had ever heard before in the genre.
And on another note, on the discussion of Sacramentum as being black, death, melodic this or that or whatever. I myself put them in the melodic death metal genre (as it sounded in its inception, before the Gothenburg scene took it over) This goes for Vinterland and Dissection aswell, and surely some other bands of similar style aswell. That's just my personal aesthetical asswankery though, in truth its somewhere in the grey zone between black and death, and which side of the fence you want to put them. Well, who cares!
Anyway, here's some music, the band of a few acquaintances of mine:
And here's from a live gig with them, where me and a friend of mine got up on stage for some reason or another (we were pretty much intoxicated, hrrrmmm). I'm the non-blonde guy.
And here's another Swedish band, I know the members of this outfit a bit closer, even though they live in another town:
I'm more into progressive death metal, so, like the guy posting Opeth, genre elitists will probably shun me. I still consider this stuff death metal, though - although it could be up to interpretation. Who cares, really - in the end, music is music.
My favourites are Bloodbath, Six Feet Under, Cannibal Corpse, Opeth (partially death metal band (they have been transitioning slowly to prog rock last 5 years, but still, any part of this band kicks ass, so) , Gojira, In Mourning, Ikuinen Kaamos and some that I don't remember now.
On July 26 2011 02:05 mewvolk wrote: I'm more into progressive death metal, so, like the guy posting Opeth, genre elitists will probably shun me. I still consider this stuff death metal, though - although it could be up to interpretation. Who cares, really - in the end, music is music.
Why post non-death metal in a thread dedicated to the genre then, if music is just music? :D Wouldn't it fit better in a general music thread then?
Opeth (most of their stuff anyway) I can give some leeway, since the music is deeply rooted in the genre, and I guess Gojira is aswell. But Meshuggah? I don't know man... Well, I've done my obligatory bitching and will refrain from it from now on. It's not like this forum is metal oriented and the discussion is really worth it.
On July 26 2011 02:10 Slipgoon wrote: Missed this thread! There's a lot of good death out there... How about "Job for a cowboy"? pretty chunky with that bass sample
The guitarist (I think) has made a deal with Dark Descent Records to release the old demos + some unreleased material on LP/CD. No date set yet, but it's about time that band get the justice it deserves. Remember when one of the demos started circulating on the internet 4-5 years back or so, was like nothing I had ever heard before in the genre.
And on another note, on the discussion of Sacramentum as being black, death, melodic this or that or whatever. I myself put them in the melodic death metal genre (as it sounded in its inception, before the Gothenburg scene took it over) This goes for Vinterland and Dissection aswell, and surely some other bands of similar style aswell. That's just my personal aesthetical asswankery though, in truth its somewhere in the grey zone between black and death, and which side of the fence you want to put them. Well, who cares!
Anyway, here's some music, the band of a few acquaintances of mine: And here's from a live gig with them, where me and a friend of mine got up on stage for some reason or another (we were pretty much intoxicated, hrrrmmm). I'm the non-blonde guy. And here's another Swedish band, I know the members of this outfit a bit closer, even though they live in another town:
Excellent stuff!: )
On July 26 2011 02:02 LoLAdriankat wrote: It's nice to see that a few people here respect the old-school stuff.
Winter reminds me strangely of Winter because of the production. I have never been a huge Infester fan but I certainly digg em'.
On July 26 2011 02:03 Louuster wrote: I saw morbid angel live yesterday in Montreal, Immortal rites live is pretty good Song, in case some ppl still havent heard this which i doubt lol
Legendary song from a legendary album, I envy you! Even though I was very dissapointed at the new release their old stuff still stands as a testimony of excellence!
I have been in a couple of debates concerning weither or not Necrotism by Carcass is DM, I believe it is close enough so I will just drop this CLASSIC tune:
There's still a few new Morbid Angel songs from that new album that aren't completely embarrassing and facepalm to listen to. I'd drop everything in my life to go see them if they came close regardless of their new material.
Why post non-death metal in a thread dedicated to the genre then, if music is just music? :D Wouldn't it fit better in a general music thread then?
Opeth (most of their stuff anyway) I can give some leeway, since the music is deeply rooted in the genre, and I guess Gojira is aswell. But Meshuggah? I don't know man... Well, I've done my obligatory bitching and will refrain from it from now on. It's not like this forum is metal oriented and the discussion is really worth it.
You misunderstood me, man I personally think that all of those are death metal, which is why I posted them. However, I wasn't sure whether or not everybody would agree with me, which is why I had that little disclaimer.
Anyway, I just wanted to clear that up - like you, I don't want this discussion to cloud up all the awesome stuff in here.
I'm a huge death metal enthusiast. I love them riffs. I went to Maryland Death Fest this year and I already plan to go next year. While it's not all pure DM, it's got its share of amazing bands. Some of the bands I saw there were Acid Witch, Defeated Sanity and Dead Congregation. All of which I was up in front for and I had managed to get the set list for Dead Congregation.
A lot of my friends consider me to be a Death Metal snob. I like to keep up to date wit the newer releases and such. I always am looking for any stuff I might have missed but I am pretty picky with some types of metal. Specifically with bands that have already been posted. I just find them generic and boring.
I love De Profundis by Vader, I do not digg the production on their new stuff at all but they are still a pretty classic band in my book.
On July 26 2011 05:00 ZombieNostalgia wrote: I'm a huge death metal enthusiast. I love them riffs. I went to Maryland Death Fest this year and I already plan to go next year. While it's not all pure DM, it's got its share of amazing bands. Some of the bands I saw there were Acid Witch, Defeated Sanity and Dead Congregation. All of which I was up in front for and I had managed to get the set list for Dead Congregation.
A lot of my friends consider me to be a Death Metal snob. I like to keep up to date wit the newer releases and such. I always am looking for any stuff I might have missed but I am pretty picky with some types of metal. Specifically with bands that have already been posted. I just find them generic and boring.
Sounds like a good time : )
Acid Witch are classic, I prefered their debut to Stoned but both are good death/doom records, do you like Hooded Menace by any chance?
I will check out the bands linked, I live in Denmark myself so I was not able to attend MDF although the line-up looked very nice.
What are your favorite DM releases of this year? I have personally found it really dull.
Yeah, I agree Witchtanic Hallucinations is better, it's because they had a different singer. I do like Hooded Menace. They were at MDF but i left right before they went on at 12am. I did get a cauldron from Acid Witch's set right before.
I have to leave for work but an album to check out this year for DM is Nader Sadek's In the Flesh album or Disma's Toward the Megalith. Ill have more later if you want them.
I haven't heard many albums of 2011 myself yet... Basically only the new Necros Christos and Autopsy. However, there's another band which I WILL check out once they release their EP in another format other than the limited (sold out before I could get it ) cassette. They're called Venenum and feature the guitarist from Excoriate/drummer of Hellish Crossfire. If you liked Excoriate's old school-Sepultura influenced death metal you'll love this:
I'll post a link to an Excoriate song aswell, and another one from a band called Grave Miasma just for the hell of it (even if it's "blackened" death):
And some more stuff:
It hits me when I try to think of different death metal bands that I need to listen to more closely to artists other than the old Swedish ones... Hmm.
On July 26 2011 02:10 Slipgoon wrote: Missed this thread! There's a lot of good death out there... How about "Job for a cowboy"? pretty chunky with that bass sample
The guitarist (I think) has made a deal with Dark Descent Records to release the old demos + some unreleased material on LP/CD. No date set yet, but it's about time that band get the justice it deserves. Remember when one of the demos started circulating on the internet 4-5 years back or so, was like nothing I had ever heard before in the genre.
And on another note, on the discussion of Sacramentum as being black, death, melodic this or that or whatever. I myself put them in the melodic death metal genre (as it sounded in its inception, before the Gothenburg scene took it over) This goes for Vinterland and Dissection aswell, and surely some other bands of similar style aswell. That's just my personal aesthetical asswankery though, in truth its somewhere in the grey zone between black and death, and which side of the fence you want to put them. Well, who cares!
Anyway, here's some music, the band of a few acquaintances of mine: And here's from a live gig with them, where me and a friend of mine got up on stage for some reason or another (we were pretty much intoxicated, hrrrmmm). I'm the non-blonde guy. And here's another Swedish band, I know the members of this outfit a bit closer, even though they live in another town:
On July 26 2011 02:03 Louuster wrote: I saw morbid angel live yesterday in Montreal, Immortal rites live is pretty good Song, in case some ppl still havent heard this which i doubt lol
Legendary song from a legendary album, I envy you! Even though I was very dissapointed at the new release their old stuff still stands as a testimony of excellence!
I have been in a couple of debates concerning weither or not Necrotism by Carcass is DM, I believe it is close enough so I will just drop this CLASSIC tune:
Aah you stole carcass I was going to post Been listening a lot to Corporeal Jigsore Quandary to try play the solo on guitar but it's pretty much not possible. Other than that here's a nice cover of the song
Edit: Maybe I should post some of their own material as well haha
The Berzerker is pretty much industrial death metal-ish... depending on what album we're talking about. Here's one of their best songs imo from the album Dissimulate
Aah you stole carcass I was going to post Been listening a lot to Corporeal Jigsore Quandary to try play the solo on guitar but it's pretty much not possible. Other than that here's a nice cover of the song
Edit: Maybe I should post some of their own material as well haha
The Berzerker is pretty much industrial death metal-ish... depending on what album we're talking about. Here's one of their best songs imo from the album Dissimulate
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Not to be a total dick but I have an UNRELENTING hate for everything The Berzerker does : /
Glad you digg Carcass though, how do you like Symphonies of Sickness?
I know this isn't death metal but Trap Them's new release Darker Handcraft is such a killer album It's weird that my friends are always bitching about how hardcore music is terrible yet they listen to metalcore. I just pull out bands like this
Here is some Death/Doom from the band Vastum. Really good stuff.
I could post so much stuff here. I have accrued such a vast collection over the past few years.
The guitarist (I think) has made a deal with Dark Descent Records to release the old demos + some unreleased material on LP/CD. No date set yet, but it's about time that band get the justice it deserves. Remember when one of the demos started circulating on the internet 4-5 years back or so, was like nothing I had ever heard before in the genre.
And on another note, on the discussion of Sacramentum as being black, death, melodic this or that or whatever. I myself put them in the melodic death metal genre (as it sounded in its inception, before the Gothenburg scene took it over) This goes for Vinterland and Dissection aswell, and surely some other bands of similar style aswell. That's just my personal aesthetical asswankery though, in truth its somewhere in the grey zone between black and death, and which side of the fence you want to put them. Well, who cares!
Anyway, here's some music, the band of a few acquaintances of mine:
And here's from a live gig with them, where me and a friend of mine got up on stage for some reason or another (we were pretty much intoxicated, hrrrmmm). I'm the non-blonde guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ash-jnX0DLU
On July 26 2011 09:03 Latedi wrote: Aah you stole carcass I was going to post Been listening a lot to Corporeal Jigsore Quandary to try play the solo on guitar but it's pretty much not possible. Other than that here's a nice cover of the song
Edit: Maybe I should post some of their own material as well haha
The Berzerker is pretty much industrial death metal-ish... depending on what album we're talking about. Here's one of their best songs imo from the album Dissimulate
Not to be a total dick but I have an UNRELENTING hate for everything The Berzerker does : /
Glad you digg Carcass though, how do you like Symphonies of Sickness?
Heh may I ask why the hate?
As for Symphonies of Sickness, I'm not too fond of it but I'm not saying I think it's bad either. Whatever band I listen to I usually go with their newest albums as quality is better.
On July 26 2011 09:03 Latedi wrote: Aah you stole carcass I was going to post Been listening a lot to Corporeal Jigsore Quandary to try play the solo on guitar but it's pretty much not possible. Other than that here's a nice cover of the song
Edit: Maybe I should post some of their own material as well haha
The Berzerker is pretty much industrial death metal-ish... depending on what album we're talking about. Here's one of their best songs imo from the album Dissimulate
Not to be a total dick but I have an UNRELENTING hate for everything The Berzerker does : /
Glad you digg Carcass though, how do you like Symphonies of Sickness?
Heh may I ask why the hate?
As for Symphonies of Sickness, I'm not too fond of it but I'm not saying I think it's bad either. Whatever band I listen to I usually go with their newest albums as quality is better.
Because they are a part of a movement in extreme metal I really dislike, where the only thing to explore is FASTER, HARDER, LOUDER and they do all of those really badly but having the most BS drums (drum machine) and uncreative song writing in history. I just can not stand em' sorry.
By quality do you mean production?
In that case I disagree, production can kill a fine record. I much prefer Necrotism and Heartwork to Swansong for an example, this is also due to songwriting though.
Very few bands grow better with time, take examples such as Slayer, Dissection (Reinkaos..), Metallica, Entombed etc.
What I am trying to say is clean production =/= good album.
On July 26 2011 09:03 Latedi wrote: Aah you stole carcass I was going to post Been listening a lot to Corporeal Jigsore Quandary to try play the solo on guitar but it's pretty much not possible. Other than that here's a nice cover of the song
Edit: Maybe I should post some of their own material as well haha
The Berzerker is pretty much industrial death metal-ish... depending on what album we're talking about. Here's one of their best songs imo from the album Dissimulate
Not to be a total dick but I have an UNRELENTING hate for everything The Berzerker does : /
Glad you digg Carcass though, how do you like Symphonies of Sickness?
Heh may I ask why the hate?
As for Symphonies of Sickness, I'm not too fond of it but I'm not saying I think it's bad either. Whatever band I listen to I usually go with their newest albums as quality is better.
Because they are a part of a movement in extreme metal I really dislike, where the only thing to explore is FASTER, HARDER, LOUDER and they do all of those really badly but having the most BS drums (drum machine) and uncreative song writing in history. I just can not stand em' sorry.
By quality do you mean production?
In that case I disagree, production can kill a fine record. I much prefer Necrotism and Heartwork to Swansong for an example, this is also due to songwriting though.
Very few bands grow better with time, take examples such as Slayer, Dissection (Reinkaos..), Metallica, Entombed etc.
What I am trying to say is clean production =/= good album.
You should listen to their latest album, it's pretty weird I don't know what you call that style. I don't think it's death metal though. And I think they ditched the drumming machine, can't remember. I have to agree that programmed drums doesn't contribute to a band.
As a band progresses their music changes as well and I think bands having played for a longer period of time are more aware of their genre and how to write good songs. Also bands change genre over time and as they are comfortable with it and their skill has improved you could say something like band X writes better music now than 10 years ago even if the genres are different.
I also think gear matters, newer amps will produce a better sound than something from 30 years ago in the 80s. This is probably the main reason I don't really like old music. Everything sounds kind of "weak".
My favorite band is probably In Flames and they have changed so much during their career but every new album is still as awesome as the previous one. Sorry if I'm being vague with all this but I'm not good at speaking my opinions.
On July 26 2011 09:03 Latedi wrote: Aah you stole carcass I was going to post Been listening a lot to Corporeal Jigsore Quandary to try play the solo on guitar but it's pretty much not possible. Other than that here's a nice cover of the song
Edit: Maybe I should post some of their own material as well haha
The Berzerker is pretty much industrial death metal-ish... depending on what album we're talking about. Here's one of their best songs imo from the album Dissimulate
Not to be a total dick but I have an UNRELENTING hate for everything The Berzerker does : /
Glad you digg Carcass though, how do you like Symphonies of Sickness?
Heh may I ask why the hate?
As for Symphonies of Sickness, I'm not too fond of it but I'm not saying I think it's bad either. Whatever band I listen to I usually go with their newest albums as quality is better.
Because they are a part of a movement in extreme metal I really dislike, where the only thing to explore is FASTER, HARDER, LOUDER and they do all of those really badly but having the most BS drums (drum machine) and uncreative song writing in history. I just can not stand em' sorry.
By quality do you mean production?
In that case I disagree, production can kill a fine record. I much prefer Necrotism and Heartwork to Swansong for an example, this is also due to songwriting though.
Very few bands grow better with time, take examples such as Slayer, Dissection (Reinkaos..), Metallica, Entombed etc.
What I am trying to say is clean production =/= good album.
You should listen to their latest album, it's pretty weird I don't know what you call that style. I don't think it's death metal though. And I think they ditched the drumming machine, can't remember. I have to agree that programmed drums doesn't contribute to a band.
As a band progresses their music changes as well and I think bands having played for a longer period of time are more aware of their genre and how to write good songs. Also bands change genre over time and as they are comfortable with it and their skill has improved you could say something like band X writes better music now than 10 years ago even if the genres are different.
I also think gear matters, newer amps will produce a better sound than something from 30 years ago in the 80s. This is probably the main reason I don't really like old music. Everything sounds kind of "weak".
My favorite band is probably In Flames and they have changed so much during their career but every new album is still as awesome as the previous one. Sorry if I'm being vague with all this but I'm not good at speaking my opinions.
I can tell that we have radically different views on music and especially production and band philosophy.
To put my point down really quick I will leave it at this: I believe it is about the sound, the sound can be created from a top notch studio and still be shit. Certain bands are not helped by more expensive equipment, one of my favorite bands are Led Zeppelin and having all their tracks re-recorded with fancy new equipment would be nothing short of disaster. Cause the sound created stims from the music itself, not from fancy equipment. Drum triggers, etc take a lot away from the music for me.
I wasn't in the band when the video was shot, but the non-longhaired guitarist left the band. I think there was a video taken at our latest gig, I might upload it if I can find it.
i'm not that much into death metal (with the exception of bolt thrower), but this song has been a favorite of mine for a long time. very aggressive & very groovy at the same time:
On July 27 2011 06:19 WolvGanG wrote: Maybe a little -coreish but I don't care. + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WySJWG9L154
This guy's stuff was pretty legit slamming brutal death metal and his vocals were awesome, it's a shame that he sold out and jumped on the BROSTEPDAWG bandwagon and started collaborating with Suicide Silence and shit like that. :|
Anata - Faith, Hope, Self Deception These guys have an INSANE sense of melody as well as technical ability
Monstrosity - Imperial Doom Old-school death metal from Florida. The start of Corpsegrinder's career.
On July 27 2011 23:29 KSMB wrote: Question for the death metal enthusiasts: would you consider the band Repulsion death metal, or am I messing up my metal sub genres?
Their goal was to play grindcore, but they pioneered deathgrind (mixture of two genres) in the process.
i am so glad i viewed this thread. I've been calling metalcore "death metal" for years. I feel really stupid now that this difference is extremely clear.
I guess i just don't hear any mainstream death metal, but the genre is said more than metalcore by far
On July 29 2011 22:51 SxYSpAz wrote: i am so glad i viewed this thread. I've been calling metalcore "death metal" for years. I feel really stupid now that this difference is extremely clear.
I guess i just don't hear any mainstream death metal, but the genre is said more than metalcore by far
DM isn't mainstream. The closest death metal ever got to mainstream was in the early to mid 90s when mtv would occasionally acknowledge it.
And I guess as far as the most widely known band that people who aren't really into the genre would have heard of is Cannibal Corpse.
On July 29 2011 22:51 SxYSpAz wrote: i am so glad i viewed this thread. I've been calling metalcore "death metal" for years. I feel really stupid now that this difference is extremely clear.
I guess i just don't hear any mainstream death metal, but the genre is said more than metalcore by far
DM isn't mainstream. The closest death metal ever got to mainstream was in the early to mid 90s when mtv would occasionally acknowledge it.
And I guess as far as the most widely known band that people who aren't really into the genre would have heard of is Cannibal Corpse.
Morbid Angel is pretty well known for Death Metal. I would say even more so than CC.
I'd also like to note that the new Fleshgod is pretty awful and boring considering how good Oracles was. The guitars are like hidden underneath all of the orchestral noise. It's like they are trying to draw attention from it. They are known as a Brutal Death metal band and this sounds like it will be kind of mediocre. This is of course my opinion.
I think it is safe to say that Canibal Corpse is by far the most well-known death metal band.
Not nessecarily due to music but rather image as being the most "brutal"/"hard" band in pop culture.
Personally I think the most well-liked death metal band in metal circles is "Death". The grand-daddies of death metal with 7 records. 6 of which I love to death.
On July 30 2011 10:54 TheBamf wrote: I think it is safe to say that Canibal Corpse is by far the most well-known death metal band.
Not nessecarily due to music but rather image as being the most "brutal"/"hard" band in pop culture.
Personally I think the most well-liked death metal band in metal circles is "Death". The grand-daddies of death metal with 7 records. 6 of which I love to death.
I would agree with this. Most of my friends who like DM, usually like Death. They gush over them a lot. I never really got into Death too much. Scream Bloody Gore, Leprosy and Symbolic are what I like.
I usually am getting so much music I forget some bands. Plus I tend to mix up what I listen to so it gets even more jumbled. Some people say metal is dying which is bullshit. People who say that just aren't searching hard enough.
Extreme metal isn't dying. It' just being infected by -core right now. There's actually been a lot of awesome new stuff coming out lately. For example:
Have any of you guys gotten Towards the Megalith by Disma? If you like Incantation, go pick this up now. It's great.
On July 29 2011 22:51 SxYSpAz wrote: i am so glad i viewed this thread. I've been calling metalcore "death metal" for years. I feel really stupid now that this difference is extremely clear.
I guess i just don't hear any mainstream death metal, but the genre is said more than metalcore by far
DM isn't mainstream. The closest death metal ever got to mainstream was in the early to mid 90s when mtv would occasionally acknowledge it.
And I guess as far as the most widely known band that people who aren't really into the genre would have heard of is Cannibal Corpse.
Morbid Angel is pretty well known for Death Metal. I would say even more so than CC.
I'd also like to note that the new Fleshgod is pretty awful and boring considering how good Oracles was. The guitars are like hidden underneath all of the orchestral noise. It's like they are trying to draw attention from it. They are known as a Brutal Death metal band and this sounds like it will be kind of mediocre. This is of course my opinion.
I like the new Fleshgod album, the first half less so, but it picks up in the second half. Not sure what all the complaints I'm hearing of guitars being hidden as they are audible the whole way through with only a couple of moments being the exception. It's definitely not the emphasis of the album though. I'm a fan of Oracles too, but not Mafia, find mafia after thru our scars to be boring as hell.
There are quite a few bands in the UK that are taking off/still about, so I wouldn't say it's dying - Cancerous Womb, Cerebral Bore, Dawn of Chaos, Nerrus Kor, Vulsellum Infected Dissary etc. etc.
On July 28 2011 01:13 TheBamf wrote: Someone likes finnish DM ^^
The Karelian Isthmus by Amorphis is fuckign brilliant, I do not understand why they degraded their sound with every album from there on.
Indeed I do! It's a bit underrated in the broad scheme of things. For some reason "Swedish Death Metal" have become a term, when I myself find that the fins were doing the same thing better. And I don't really like the sort of death metal which is characteristically Swedish - that being Nihilist/Entombed, Dismember and of course the melodic Gothenburg bands. I don't mean to come off as saying they're bad, but not my cup of tea. (And Dismember's debut LP is pretty sick!)
And to take two other bands that started out as a more pure breed of death metal, before turning to a more blackened or melodic state... Marduk and Dissection.
To call these tracks black metal or whatever else would be blasphemy!
On July 31 2011 22:45 TheBamf wrote: Not to tramp on your parade but I can deffo hear the Black metal.
And I love all bands linked so <3
And I can hear a lot of thrash in death metal, but it isn't thrash - or a lot of death and thrash in black, but its still black. Of course these genres share some common traits.
On July 29 2011 22:51 SxYSpAz wrote: i am so glad i viewed this thread. I've been calling metalcore "death metal" for years. I feel really stupid now that this difference is extremely clear.
I guess i just don't hear any mainstream death metal, but the genre is said more than metalcore by far
DM isn't mainstream. The closest death metal ever got to mainstream was in the early to mid 90s when mtv would occasionally acknowledge it.
And I guess as far as the most widely known band that people who aren't really into the genre would have heard of is Cannibal Corpse.
Morbid Angel is pretty well known for Death Metal. I would say even more so than CC.
I'd also like to note that the new Fleshgod is pretty awful and boring considering how good Oracles was. The guitars are like hidden underneath all of the orchestral noise. It's like they are trying to draw attention from it. They are known as a Brutal Death metal band and this sounds like it will be kind of mediocre. This is of course my opinion.
I like the new Fleshgod album, the first half less so, but it picks up in the second half. Not sure what all the complaints I'm hearing of guitars being hidden as they are audible the whole way through with only a couple of moments being the exception. It's definitely not the emphasis of the album though. I'm a fan of Oracles too, but not Mafia, find mafia after thru our scars to be boring as hell.
My real complaint is that the guitars are pretty weak. Brutal death is pretty guitar oriented, Obviously it is heavily drum oriented as well. I listen to my friends drool over the drumming in that one song, I'm like "that is pretty standard for the genre." Then they are always claiming I'm a troll and a hipster.
On July 31 2011 08:42 couches wrote: Woops, missed that post.
It's all good. Disma needs more attention.
Also that Hour of Penance album isnt that new being from 2010. That being said it is a very enjoyable technical brutal death album. Not boring, something a lot of brutal bands fall victim to.
It may seem that I'm nit picking your post. It's just what I do. I guess I like to talk too much about music. lol.
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but Mitochondrion's new album is really crushing. Probably one of the few recent death metal acts that does it so well.
On July 29 2011 22:51 SxYSpAz wrote: i am so glad i viewed this thread. I've been calling metalcore "death metal" for years. I feel really stupid now that this difference is extremely clear.
I guess i just don't hear any mainstream death metal, but the genre is said more than metalcore by far
DM isn't mainstream. The closest death metal ever got to mainstream was in the early to mid 90s when mtv would occasionally acknowledge it.
And I guess as far as the most widely known band that people who aren't really into the genre would have heard of is Cannibal Corpse.
Morbid Angel is pretty well known for Death Metal. I would say even more so than CC.
I'd also like to note that the new Fleshgod is pretty awful and boring considering how good Oracles was. The guitars are like hidden underneath all of the orchestral noise. It's like they are trying to draw attention from it. They are known as a Brutal Death metal band and this sounds like it will be kind of mediocre. This is of course my opinion.
I like the new Fleshgod album, the first half less so, but it picks up in the second half. Not sure what all the complaints I'm hearing of guitars being hidden as they are audible the whole way through with only a couple of moments being the exception. It's definitely not the emphasis of the album though. I'm a fan of Oracles too, but not Mafia, find mafia after thru our scars to be boring as hell.
My real complaint is that the guitars are pretty weak. Brutal death is pretty guitar oriented, Obviously it is heavily drum oriented as well. I listen to my friends drool over the drumming in that one song, I'm like "that is pretty standard for the genre." Then they are always claiming I'm a troll and a hipster.
Eh, I can hear the guitars pretty clearly, and I've changed my mind. The entire album is awesome, there are only a couple of bits where the orchestral bits sound disjointed and random. I take it from your comment you've only heard The Violation? The album version is a lot meatier than the version on youtube, guitars a lot clearer. The drumming style is pretty standard, but the drummer is one of the faster around. Yeah, my friends call me that too, bastards :D
On July 29 2011 22:51 SxYSpAz wrote: i am so glad i viewed this thread. I've been calling metalcore "death metal" for years. I feel really stupid now that this difference is extremely clear.
I guess i just don't hear any mainstream death metal, but the genre is said more than metalcore by far
DM isn't mainstream. The closest death metal ever got to mainstream was in the early to mid 90s when mtv would occasionally acknowledge it.
And I guess as far as the most widely known band that people who aren't really into the genre would have heard of is Cannibal Corpse.
Morbid Angel is pretty well known for Death Metal. I would say even more so than CC.
I'd also like to note that the new Fleshgod is pretty awful and boring considering how good Oracles was. The guitars are like hidden underneath all of the orchestral noise. It's like they are trying to draw attention from it. They are known as a Brutal Death metal band and this sounds like it will be kind of mediocre. This is of course my opinion.
I like the new Fleshgod album, the first half less so, but it picks up in the second half. Not sure what all the complaints I'm hearing of guitars being hidden as they are audible the whole way through with only a couple of moments being the exception. It's definitely not the emphasis of the album though. I'm a fan of Oracles too, but not Mafia, find mafia after thru our scars to be boring as hell.
My real complaint is that the guitars are pretty weak. Brutal death is pretty guitar oriented, Obviously it is heavily drum oriented as well. I listen to my friends drool over the drumming in that one song, I'm like "that is pretty standard for the genre." Then they are always claiming I'm a troll and a hipster.
Eh, I can hear the guitars pretty clearly, and I've changed my mind. The entire album is awesome, there are only a couple of bits where the orchestral bits sound disjointed and random. I take it from your comment you've only heard The Violation? The album version is a lot meatier than the version on youtube, guitars a lot clearer. The drumming style is pretty standard, but the drummer is one of the faster around. Yeah, my friends call me that too, bastards :D
Yeah. I've only listened to the one song.I usually have a list of stuff that I plan on listening to just waiting on my itunes. The one song kind really didn't pique my interests for the album that much. I just meant that the guitars didn't really interest me. Which is why they kind of just fell into the background for me. But a lot of it comes down to personal preference. I feel like my friends call me that because I criticize some of he music they post sometimes. They are huge into the current metalcore scene. Definitely not my thing.
It is. Dissection is Black Metal but whatever, Storm is a great album. I see that you listed Slaughter of the Soul. Have you listened to The Red in the Sky is Ours by At the Gates? Awesome melodeath.
Also if you haven't listened to this album. I'd suggest it heavily. Such a great Melodic DM album.
On August 01 2011 09:50 BulldogBCN wrote: is melodic death metal allowed in this thread? to be honest, all those sub-genre discussions kinda bore me... i'll just post some of my favourites.
Also that is an EXCELLENT Dissection song, one of my very favorites.
As far as melodic death metal goes I see no harm in allowing it to be posted as we already have several being posted, I feel that to secure the integrity of the debate sticking to the original melodic DM sound is better. This is bands like At the Gates which you just linked : )
Here is a personal favorite from the Heartwork album by Carcass, the mother of all melodic DM.
On August 01 2011 10:51 ZombieNostalgia wrote: It is. Dissection is Black Metal but whatever, Storm is a great album. I see that you listed Slaughter of the Soul. Have you listened to The Red in the Sky is Ours by At the Gates? Awesome melodeath.
Also if you haven't listened to this album. I'd suggest it heavily. Such a great Melodic DM album. + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mi9xktQaPo
yes, i have listened to the red sky is ours. i do prefer slaughter, though... mainly because of the vocals.
also, thanks for the suggestion, i'll check it out.
On August 01 2011 11:04 TheBamf wrote:
Dissection is BM, melodic BM but still BM
Also that is an EXCELLENT Dissection song, one of my very favorites.
As far as melodic death metal goes I see no harm in allowing it to be posted as we already have several being posted, I feel that to secure the integrity of the debate sticking to the original melodic DM sound is better. This is bands like At the Gates which you just linked : )
Here is a personal favorite from the Heartwork album by Carcass, the mother of all melodic DM.
about dissection... i've seen people put them in all kinds of (sub-)genres. like i said, i try not to care too much about debates like these. all i know is that storm of the light's bane is one of my favourite metal albums of all time.
the "original melodic DM sound" doesn't incluce TBDM, i guess? :D i always get flamed for liking them, i don't quite understand why. these guys are just brilliant (especially live)... one of the few newer bands that have awakened a kind of fanboyism in me that i hadn't had in years. :D
TBDM would be an example were the instrumentation and especially the production is the key thing that is noteably different from the melodic DM sound I am reffering to : )
On August 01 2011 12:10 TheBamf wrote: TBDM would be an example were the instrumentation and especially the production is the key thing that is noteably different from the melodic DM sound I am reffering to : )
haha okay, i can accept these terms (at least it's not the usual "TBDM are deathcore!" rants i get to hear in threads like these ;D).
i guess folk DM might also be too different for this thread (*cough* + Show Spoiler +
)... so i'm going to post another great gothenburg DM band that hasn't yet come up in this thread (i think):
I love you all so much. Those who post Death, Decapitated, Carcass, Dissection, At The Gates, Bloodbath we must make sex now. Please everyone who loves this add me: Nihility.881 We can have super-fun-death-metal-starcraft-time :D Don't forget Opeth
The Black Dahlia Murder follow the Gothenburg style. That's the type of melodeath. I don't really have a huge melodic death metal collection. Ill get some more for you though. I can really go into depth since it's not something I listen to a bunch but it's pretty good.
I'm sure I can find one or two more somewhere. I'm way more rehearsed in OSDM. Them riffs just make me hypnotized. So awesome. Milwaukee OSDM. It's a DM gem.
On July 31 2011 08:42 couches wrote: Woops, missed that post.
It's all good. Disma needs more attention.
Also that Hour of Penance album isnt that new being from 2010. That being said it is a very enjoyable technical brutal death album. Not boring, something a lot of brutal bands fall victim to.
It may seem that I'm nit picking your post. It's just what I do. I guess I like to talk too much about music. lol.
No problem. Maybe recent was a better way to put it. Regardless, it's not like it's old stuff.
It's easy to sound boring when the focus of many bands is merely to sound as brutal and heavy as possible without regard to anything else.
On August 01 2011 10:51 ZombieNostalgia wrote: It is. Dissection is Black Metal but whatever,
On August 01 2011 11:04 TheBamf wrote: Dissection is BM, melodic BM but still BM
NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE
I don't get where people are coming from when they say this... Dissection weren't related to the black metal scene or aesthetics, the music shares SOME aspects with SOME bands of the early second wave, but in the core its still death metal. Hell, there are a lot of death metal bands we could call black metal if Dissection could be labeled as such.
On August 01 2011 08:31 TheBamf wrote: Well that can be said by all sub genres..
Indeed, which is why (if you find it stimulating or relevant to discuss genres at all, otherwise I'd advise the people who care to voice their opinions and end it with "But in the end it doesn't matter!" to digress) I myself like to define the lines between the genres. In my opinion a lot of bands that didn't play black metal back in the 80's/early 90's got labeled as black metal simply because the old definition of the genre still was around. Are your lyrics and aesthetics "satanic"? Then its black metal! But these days we have more clear cut definitions, the genre has crystallized and know that isn't the case. Early Mercyful Fate isn't black metal. Early Slayer isn't black metal. Venom is a hybrid of thrash/punk/heavy metal, Hellhammer/Celtic Frost some weird hybrid of everything between heaven and hell... And so forth.
On August 01 2011 11:04 TheBamf wrote: Dissection is BM, melodic BM but still BM
NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE
I don't get where people are coming from when they say this... Dissection weren't related to the black metal scene or aesthetics, the music shares SOME aspects with SOME bands of the early second wave, but in the core its still death metal. Hell, there are a lot of death metal bands we could call black metal if Dissection could be labeled as such.
On August 01 2011 08:31 TheBamf wrote: Well that can be said by all sub genres..
Indeed, which is why (if you find it stimulating or relevant to discuss genres at all, otherwise I'd advise the people who care to voice their opinions and end it with "But in the end it doesn't matter!" to digress) I myself like to define the lines between the genres. In my opinion a lot of bands that didn't play black metal back in the 80's/early 90's got labeled as black metal simply because the old definition of the genre still was around. Are your lyrics and aesthetics "satanic"? Then its black metal! But these days we have more clear cut definitions, the genre has crystallized and know that isn't the case. Early Mercyful Fate isn't black metal. Early Slayer isn't black metal. Venom is a hybrid of thrash/punk/heavy metal, Hellhammer/Celtic Frost some weird hybrid of everything between heaven and hell... And so forth.
First of all, the whole "genres" doesnt matter is self-defeating of your long-ish paragraph. Genres do matter, just beacuse you put up a set of very loose standards does not mean that the genres hold no value beyond the historical aspects as individual genres.
Here are my points for Dissection's The Somberlain being BM:
1) Obvious first, he often utilizises the black metal shrieks.
2) The song structure. DM focused far mroe on the kick ass than "epic" melodic interludes etc. the time, listen to the first track "Black Horizons" for examples. Take the part at 5:40 as an obvious tell.
Also I have listened to a fair share of death metal at the time and I think it would be unfair to say that the DM sound resembled The Somberlain more than the BM sound.
On August 01 2011 11:04 TheBamf wrote: Dissection is BM, melodic BM but still BM
NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE
I don't get where people are coming from when they say this... Dissection weren't related to the black metal scene or aesthetics, the music shares SOME aspects with SOME bands of the early second wave, but in the core its still death metal. Hell, there are a lot of death metal bands we could call black metal if Dissection could be labeled as such.
On August 01 2011 08:31 TheBamf wrote: Well that can be said by all sub genres..
Indeed, which is why (if you find it stimulating or relevant to discuss genres at all, otherwise I'd advise the people who care to voice their opinions and end it with "But in the end it doesn't matter!" to digress) I myself like to define the lines between the genres. In my opinion a lot of bands that didn't play black metal back in the 80's/early 90's got labeled as black metal simply because the old definition of the genre still was around. Are your lyrics and aesthetics "satanic"? Then its black metal! But these days we have more clear cut definitions, the genre has crystallized and know that isn't the case. Early Mercyful Fate isn't black metal. Early Slayer isn't black metal. Venom is a hybrid of thrash/punk/heavy metal, Hellhammer/Celtic Frost some weird hybrid of everything between heaven and hell... And so forth.
Of course, its debatable.I
I regard black metal as being aesthetically pretty different from the other kinds of metal, and also as one of the hardest genres to pin down in a description. Most black metal nowadays follows the blueprint developed by Norway in the early 90s, meaning look for grainy production, melodic, tremolo picked riffs(tremolo picking is just picking one note over and over very quickly), and "blast beat"-based drumming. Early advocates of this style include Darkthrone, Mayhem, and Emperor. However, like the other genres, there's no shortage of variety.
Dissection definitely can be listed under all of these characteristics. Especially the album that was mentioned. They may not do it as much other bands that are considered by everyone to be Black Metal but they do it enough to be considered it.
On July 31 2011 08:42 couches wrote: Woops, missed that post.
It's all good. Disma needs more attention.
Also that Hour of Penance album isnt that new being from 2010. That being said it is a very enjoyable technical brutal death album. Not boring, something a lot of brutal bands fall victim to.
It may seem that I'm nit picking your post. It's just what I do. I guess I like to talk too much about music. lol.
No problem. Maybe recent was a better way to put it. Regardless, it's not like it's old stuff.
It's easy to sound boring when the focus of many bands is merely to sound as brutal and heavy as possible without regard to anything else.
My favorite is the one note breakdown that last forever because they think it's brutal. It's torurous to listen to and I don't see how it's appealing when other bands do it better. My main gripe with people is they claim X to be so amazing when there are so many bands that do it better, however it is subjective to a degree. I wouldn't deny that. I believe tis album came out last year. It's pretty good. Especially for BDM.
On August 01 2011 09:50 BulldogBCN wrote: is melodic death metal allowed in this thread? to be honest, all those sub-genre discussions kinda bore me... i'll just post some of my favourites.
On August 01 2011 11:04 TheBamf wrote: Dissection is BM, melodic BM but still BM
NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE
I don't get where people are coming from when they say this... Dissection weren't related to the black metal scene or aesthetics, the music shares SOME aspects with SOME bands of the early second wave, but in the core its still death metal. Hell, there are a lot of death metal bands we could call black metal if Dissection could be labeled as such.
On August 01 2011 08:31 TheBamf wrote: Well that can be said by all sub genres..
Indeed, which is why (if you find it stimulating or relevant to discuss genres at all, otherwise I'd advise the people who care to voice their opinions and end it with "But in the end it doesn't matter!" to digress) I myself like to define the lines between the genres. In my opinion a lot of bands that didn't play black metal back in the 80's/early 90's got labeled as black metal simply because the old definition of the genre still was around. Are your lyrics and aesthetics "satanic"? Then its black metal! But these days we have more clear cut definitions, the genre has crystallized and know that isn't the case. Early Mercyful Fate isn't black metal. Early Slayer isn't black metal. Venom is a hybrid of thrash/punk/heavy metal, Hellhammer/Celtic Frost some weird hybrid of everything between heaven and hell... And so forth.
First of all, the whole "genres" doesnt matter is self-defeating of your long-ish paragraph. Genres do matter, just beacuse you put up a set of very loose standards does not mean that the genres hold no value beyond the historical aspects as individual genres.
Here are my points for Dissection's The Somberlain being BM:
1) Obvious first, he often utilizises the black metal shrieks.
2) The song structure. DM focused far mroe on the kick ass than "epic" melodic interludes etc. the time, listen to the first track "Black Horizons" for examples. Take the part at 5:40 as an obvious tell.
Also I have listened to a fair share of death metal at the time and I think it would be unfair to say that the DM sound resembled The Somberlain more than the BM sound.
well, genres don't really matter... and all the fights about genre are terribly annoying to me. nevertheless, i always end up participating in these fights, can't really say why... i guess it's just part of the metal culture. and, in this thread, the whole thing seems to be happening in a civilized matter.
about dissection... i find they are a band that's hard to really pin down on a genre. to me their sound is much more similar to all those gothenburg bands from the early 90s than to the norwegian black metal bands of the same time. it kinda depends on the song, i guess (i'm referring to the somberlain and storm of the light's bane... never really listened to reinkaos).
what is of course more similar to some of these norwegian bands, is all the other stuff, that's not related directly to their music (yeah, i'm talking about killing people and commiting suicide in a circle of candles). i think it's one of the main reasons why people tend to label them as black metal.
On August 02 2011 07:59 TheBamf wrote: If genres did not matter this thread would be pointless and so would any thread associated with a genre on this forum.
Also stay away from Reinkaos! It is not the Dissection we love.
well, you're right... kinda. they do matter, people need to classify things into categories, it's how our brain works.
what i don't like about the genre discussions is the elitism and fingerpointing that usually comes with it... but it's nowhere to find in this thread until now, so i don't have any problems with it.
about reinkaos... yes, i think i've never been so disappointed after listening to a new album of a band i liked (that's a incredible thing to say, considering that i've been a follower of metallica since i was little! ;D).
EDIT: one more thing about the genres, though... sometimes it does get out of control. when i hear bands define themselves as "progressive power-glam-death-metalcore" or something, they've crossed a line.
I think the fact that it is Melodic Black Metal makes it a little more confusing but if one listens to enough first/second wave black metal and death metal, you can probably tell the difference. I found myself returning to Storm of Light's Bane today to make sure. It's not too hard to tell. I've almost never heard before this thread any Dissection being labeled as DM.
I don't even see why everyone has to make this an argument. This thread was made to enjoy DM. Let's do that.
I never really see much In Flames love. Never really got into them. When I do hear about them it's usually about their older stuff. I hear a lot of bad stuff about their newer stuff as well.
That song you posted in my opinion doesn't sound like DM. Clean vox. Everything else just is kind of repetitive and bland. But if you like them, more power to you.
Inoculated Life is my favorite off of Considered Dead. Apparently, their new album is supposed to come out sometime in early 2012.
I love riffs so much.
Why would you want a Deathcore thread? I don't know any deathcore that isn't shameless chugging followed by an abuse of breakdowns. Why not just listen to the Brutal Death bands that were posted. Their song writing abilities far surpass that of any deathcore bands.
Doubt somebody into deathcore would even notice a breakdown in a brutal dm song. They're different, as in they usually use more than 1 note during the breakdown. Just listen to Suffocation or somethin.
God damn. I cannot shake that I got a 98% on a math test. I could have gotten a 100%. one thing wrong by .3. This is why i need to quadruple check. I need some awesome metal to calm me down.
Yeah. The production on that album is a bit iffy. Still some pretty good Goregrind there though. New Cianide out there. I never could really get into The Dying Truth. The snare sound really irked me but i'm enjoying this. Solid riffs.
Having listened to the Disma album dozens of times now and even playing along to some of the songs. I'm pretty much convinced that for albums that have been released lately, and upcoming albums, that not much will be able to top it.
Hopefully I'll be proven wrong because if something comes out that's just as good or better, I know it will be damn good.
I agree. Towards the Megalith is probably the best 2011 release so far. However Hades Archer's new album is some amazing black metal. It's pretty much right up there with Disma.
Psycroptic dropped off a lot after Scepters. They fell into the generic the death band category where they essentially whack off their guitars and focus less on riffs and more on technicality.
I just got this CD in the mail today. Tis awesome.
I saw funbrarum live. Was awesome. I wish they played indoors and stuff off of Beneath the Columns. Outdoors wasn't as good. Cool people though. You could actually meet them. They were walking around after their set for the next couple days.
Sweden has that whole sound pretty much. Her's a Czech band worshiping that sound.
I made an account just to post on this thread. Are you guys going with only old Death Metal bands because I don't see any newer bands here like The Crimson Armada or Despised Icon. Well, the Crimson Armada's cd is not really Death Metal as much as metalcore but their first cd was for sure.
On August 13 2011 11:22 Nazeron wrote: In Flames is melodic death metal, this thread has to do more with pure death metal.
Definitely. A lot of melodeath has been evolving into stuff death metal purists probably hate. I came to metal from rock so a lot of the new In Flames and Soilwork stuff I'm a huge fan of. For this thread though, I'll just leave a good old fashioned thrasher that we can probably find some common ground over
On August 21 2011 08:58 CutthroatCollapse wrote: The Black Dahlia Murder is by far the best death metal band. And this is not even negiotiable. Thank you very much.
And "Unhallowed" is the best death metal album ever written
They're really good, and live they're seriously fucking bad-ass. Saw black dahlia and amon amarth the same evening, and there are no words to describe how sick it was.
On August 21 2011 05:41 ZombieNostalgia wrote: Psycroptic dropped off a lot after Scepters. They fell into the generic the death band category where they essentially whack off their guitars and focus less on riffs and more on technicality.
Well the new stuff is way more produced and no vocalist will ever compare to Chalky...but it's still Psycroptic and there is no other guitar player like Joe Haley out there. They still sound great and they are still unique, just evolving. Have high hopes for next release! With that I post something off Scepters...
A lot of discussion is going on about it, but I have to say, I love MA from the early days. Blessed is one of my alltime favourites! But I also like the F-H albums AND Illud! I understand why people dont like it but actually I enjoy it a lot. Depending on mood, I like each album best from time to time. Gateways for example has some of the darkest, slowest and energetic riffs they ever came up with while the older outputs have fast riffs which are just unbelieveable.
So I thought this might be a good place to ask. I listen to both death metal and deathcore and I don't really hear a difference in the music but why is there hate for deathcore?
This is reaaalllllyyy good and overlooked/obscure. Their first singer left the band to do missionary work in Africa. Really unexpected given that this music is overwhelmingly dark, morose, and evil sounding. Christian metalcore bands are posers compared to Dusk.
On August 21 2011 19:39 Latedi wrote: So I thought this might be a good place to ask. I listen to both death metal and deathcore and I don't really hear a difference in the music but why is there hate for deathcore?
Deathcore typically has a lot more simplistic patterns and "breakdowns" (parts where they slow things down and play a few simple phrases over and over). Deathcore is also marketed and packaged in calculating fashion much like pop music. It's generally made by younger kids (15-20ish) for kids. There's a lot of gimmicky crap and poor musicianship in deathcore. Lots of death metal musicians are actually kind of old now.
That being said, there are still a few good deathcore bands and an abundance of bad death metal bands.
On August 21 2011 19:39 Latedi wrote: So I thought this might be a good place to ask. I listen to both death metal and deathcore and I don't really hear a difference in the music but why is there hate for deathcore?
I think there is quite a big difference. First of all, deathcore is a much newer style, although I cannot tell you exactly when it started. All I know is that the first 'core' band I listenend to was as I lay dying (which were also one of the first band of this new genre). They distinguished themselves from 'traditional' death metal mainly in their lyrics, in their instrumentation (i.e. the parts) and also in their fashion and hairstyle (which is not that evident with as i lay dying yet, as they were still your "long haired metal dudes")
the musical particularities of anything 'core': hardly any blast beats, many breakdowns (i.e. very rhythmical parts in the middle of songs often introduced by something called a "sub-bass explosion" , I think you can call it that, at lease ; like a stated in the last point, frequent use of synthetic effects. also the screaming is different: its not just low growling or high screeching; its more something in-between which gives away the character of the singer's voice a bit better imo. Also there is some singing here and there (which you would never find in death metal)
concerning the lyrics: they tend to be very emotional (also affinity to emocore and screamo) and often focus on relationship problems. No mindless talking about torture and destruction el o el
and last: any dudes who consider themselves 'core' try to dress up rather fancy and have a 'cool' short haircut
I think I could go on and on, but I'll just cite a few bands which would fit the label death core according to my opinion: Bring me the Horizin, As Blood Runs Black, The Devil Wears Prada, The Red Shore...cant think of any more right now lol
On August 21 2011 19:39 Latedi wrote: So I thought this might be a good place to ask. I listen to both death metal and deathcore and I don't really hear a difference in the music but why is there hate for deathcore?
Deathcore typically has a lot more simplistic patterns and "breakdowns" (parts where they slow things down and play a few simple phrases over and over). Deathcore is also marketed and packaged in calculating fashion much like pop music. It's generally made by younger kids (15-20ish) for kids. There's a lot of gimmicky crap and poor musicianship in deathcore. Lots of death metal musicians are actually kind of old now.
That being said, there are still a few good deathcore bands and an abundance of bad death metal bands.
That sounds horrible ._. I hope I'm not listening to any of that crap, I have heard some really boring deathcore bands and decided I didn't like them. Hopefully Those were the marketed bands haha. I think breakdowns can be nice, really, but if you have one per song that is kind of boring. And yeah I have heard so much bad death metal I have almost given up on the genre. So if I'm looking for a new band to listen to it's either deathcore or deathmetal with help from a thread like this.
On August 21 2011 19:39 Latedi wrote: So I thought this might be a good place to ask. I listen to both death metal and deathcore and I don't really hear a difference in the music but why is there hate for deathcore?
I think there is quite a big difference. First of all, deathcore is a much newer style, although I cannot tell you exactly when it started. All I know is that the first 'core' band I listenend to was as I lay dying (which were also one of the first band of this new genre). They distinguished themselves from 'traditional' death metal mainly in their lyrics, in their instrumentation (i.e. the parts) and also in their fashion and hairstyle (which is not that evident with as i lay dying yet, as they were still your "long haired metal dudes")
the musical particularities of anything 'core': hardly any blast beats, many breakdowns (i.e. very rhythmical parts in the middle of songs often introduced by something called a "sub-bass explosion" , I think you can call it that, at lease ; like a stated in the last point, frequent use of synthetic effects. also the screaming is different: its not just low growling or high screeching; its more something in-between which gives away the character of the singer's voice a bit better imo. Also there is some singing here and there (which you would never find in death metal)
concerning the lyrics: they tend to be very emotional (also affinity to emocore and screamo) and often focus on relationship problems. No mindless talking about torture and destruction el o el
and last: any dudes who consider themselves 'core' try to dress up rather fancy and have a 'cool' short haircut
I think I could go on and on, but I'll just cite a few bands which would fit the label death core according to my opinion: Bring me the Horizin, As Blood Runs Black, The Devil Wears Prada, The Red Shore...cant think of any more right now lol
Ooh there seems to be quite some focus on looks there. Personally I couldn't care less though as I think the music matters more. But maybe it's something to think about if you play live or go listen to a concert. I think the singing is a good part because I rarely hear the lyircs in death metal... say I can hear 10%? Then I can hear maybe 25% in deathcore. Well lyrics doesn't really matter if you can't hear what they sing anyway. And about the bands you listed I have been instructed to not listen to some of them xD I think I should keep away.
On August 21 2011 19:39 Latedi wrote: So I thought this might be a good place to ask. I listen to both death metal and deathcore and I don't really hear a difference in the music but why is there hate for deathcore?
Death metal rarely has pig squeals, those high pitched "shouts", nor breakdowns (except the more extreme bands like Devourment etc). Personally I think they sound a lot different, and death metal often has a more distorted sound than deathcore. I don't "hate" deathcore myself, but I don't enjoy listening to it, but I guess most people don't like it because of the overall look on most bands, you know, wearing baseball caps and shit like that. Some people want their metal "cool" I guess?
Compare this,
to this,
there's so much variation in death metal that it's hard to pick a song, really. I don't know enough about deathcore to say anything about it but as far as I know there's not as much variation. Just my opinion!
Aah yeah death metal can vary a lot. I like how it's a very broad genre where every band can have their own sound. This is also pretty true for metalcore as I listen to some bands like Killswitch Engage and All That Remains. And still they sound different. Maybe the deathcore artists haven't been experimenting enough yet. And I don't really care if a band member has a baseball cap or not :p
Edit: That song by Suicide Silence had way too many breakdowns haha
this band is freaking awesome by the way. and also to the guy who said deatchcore bands dont know how to play their instruments (or sth along these lines): in your face man
One of my favorite DM bands has always been Gorefest. Very unique voice and they didnt shy away from experimenting with other rock genres. Even to the point where they made '70 rock with growls. Later on they returned to the "old school" DM.
I cant really think of a more evil sounding album than Deicides debut. Love it.
this is a great album from 1998. Runemagick- The Supreme Force of Eternity. Hard hitting no nonsense Death Metal. After a hard days work there nothing like turning up the volum on this thing and let the demons run amoc. And their swedish so thats always great.
this band is freaking awesome by the way. and also to the guy who said deatchcore bands dont know how to play their instruments (or sth along these lines): in your face man
aaaaaaaaaa baseball cap I love the scales used in the solo : )
Edit: I think I'm fine listening to deathcore but I don't want to see their live performances harr harr
in general i really dislike all the "core" bands, to me they sound so... predictable or childish cant really put my finger on it. that means the bands i know, and not the genre as a whole, (there is an exception though)
these guys are reaaaaly good (especially their drummer) (to support your statement that core bands can play their instruments)
i consider myself very much a death metal fan but i just can't get into deicide for the life of me. i like Death, Entombed, Dismembere, Atheist, even necroticism-era Carcass, but deicide just sounds like pig screams and a wall of blast beats to me.
On August 21 2011 23:56 FlorisXIV wrote: in general i really dislike all the "core" bands, to me they sound so... predictable or childish cant really put my finger on it. that means the bands i know, and not the genre as a whole, (there is an exception though)
"Why is there no music?" -> "Gotta turn up the volume" -> "I want my ears back ;_;" I like their music anyways : )
On August 22 2011 00:39 Scalepad wrote: how is that even possible? compare pig squeals from deathcore to the grunting/growling of deicide
From my experience there are more pig squeals in death metal than in deathcore, but there is more growling as well. I'm not really a fan of undistinguishable lyrics either way.
On August 21 2011 23:58 shadymmj wrote: i consider myself very much a death metal fan but i just can't get into deicide for the life of me. i like Death, Entombed, Dismembere, Atheist, even necroticism-era Carcass, but deicide just sounds like pig screams and a wall of blast beats to me.
Yes Deicide can be a tough listening. Its pretty umcompromising. But music is an artform. And art is not always something to enjoy, but to experience. I mean, i dont necessary always enjoy Deicide that much, but more so its an experience of how raw and extreme metal can be. If someone playing instruments acutally can make you feel sick to your stomic, now thats a genuine emotion youre experiencing. Embrace that sick rotten feeling inside.
Now. If Deicide's music was so bad that it made you feel sick to you bone, that would have been a hole other story. But Deicide made well executed, original and honest music that makes you wanna puke and squeel. Now thats genius.
On August 21 2011 23:58 shadymmj wrote: i consider myself very much a death metal fan but i just can't get into deicide for the life of me. i like Death, Entombed, Dismembere, Atheist, even necroticism-era Carcass, but deicide just sounds like pig screams and a wall of blast beats to me.
Yes Deicide can be a tough listening. Its pretty umcompromising. But music is an artform. And art is not always something to enjoy, but to experience. I mean, i dont necessary always enjoy Deicide that much, but more so its an experience of how raw and extreme metal can be. If someone playing instruments acutally can make you feel sick to your stomic, now thats a genuine emotion youre experiencing. Embrace that sick rotten feeling inside.
Now. If Deicide's music was so bad that it made you feel sick to you bone, that would have been a hole other story. But Deicide made well executed, original and honest music that makes you wanna puke and squeel. Now thats genius.
So if a band could make you feel sick and want to throw up you would want to listen to them because they can create a "feeling"? : / Sounds pretty bad to me, usually you want it to be somehow positive.
On August 21 2011 23:58 shadymmj wrote: i consider myself very much a death metal fan but i just can't get into deicide for the life of me. i like Death, Entombed, Dismembere, Atheist, even necroticism-era Carcass, but deicide just sounds like pig screams and a wall of blast beats to me.
Yes Deicide can be a tough listening. Its pretty umcompromising. But music is an artform. And art is not always something to enjoy, but to experience. I mean, i dont necessary always enjoy Deicide that much, but more so its an experience of how raw and extreme metal can be. If someone playing instruments acutally can make you feel sick to your stomic, now thats a genuine emotion youre experiencing. Embrace that sick rotten feeling inside.
Now. If Deicide's music was so bad that it made you feel sick to you bone, that would have been a hole other story. But Deicide made well executed, original and honest music that makes you wanna puke and squeel. Now thats genius.
So if a band could make you feel sick and want to throw up you would want to listen to them because they can create a "feeling"? : / Sounds pretty bad to me, usually you want it to be somehow positive.
But feeling sick in the right circumstances IS a positive thing. I'm listening to Deicide right now and yes! I am puking my guts out between the songs. DEAD BY DAAAAAWNuurrghhh ^ ^
But Please, take my morbid jargong with a pinch of salt and a teaspoon of humour
Wow. This thread jumped a bit while I was at work today. Anyway, here is some newish finnish death metal. They have a new ep out this year. It's a bit doomier yet still awesome.
On August 21 2011 23:56 FlorisXIV wrote: in general i really dislike all the "core" bands, to me they sound so... predictable or childish cant really put my finger on it. that means the bands i know, and not the genre as a whole, (there is an exception though)
these guys are reaaaaly good (especially their drummer) (to support your statement that core bands can play their instruments) + Show Spoiler +
On August 21 2011 23:58 shadymmj wrote: i consider myself very much a death metal fan but i just can't get into deicide for the life of me. i like Death, Entombed, Dismembere, Atheist, even necroticism-era Carcass, but deicide just sounds like pig screams and a wall of blast beats to me.
Yes Deicide can be a tough listening. Its pretty umcompromising. But music is an artform. And art is not always something to enjoy, but to experience. I mean, i dont necessary always enjoy Deicide that much, but more so its an experience of how raw and extreme metal can be. If someone playing instruments acutally can make you feel sick to your stomic, now thats a genuine emotion youre experiencing. Embrace that sick rotten feeling inside.
Now. If Deicide's music was so bad that it made you feel sick to you bone, that would have been a hole other story. But Deicide made well executed, original and honest music that makes you wanna puke and squeel. Now thats genius.
well, since i can't really get into the music, i don't experience any feelings whatsoever.
if you're talking about a really demented, mentally sick sort of album, i think The Red in the Sky is Ours is worth a listen. It's easily a masterpiece.
if it's just generally gore...then yeah carcass is king.
On August 21 2011 23:58 shadymmj wrote: i consider myself very much a death metal fan but i just can't get into deicide for the life of me. i like Death, Entombed, Dismembere, Atheist, even necroticism-era Carcass, but deicide just sounds like pig screams and a wall of blast beats to me.
Yes Deicide can be a tough listening. Its pretty umcompromising. But music is an artform. And art is not always something to enjoy, but to experience. I mean, i dont necessary always enjoy Deicide that much, but more so its an experience of how raw and extreme metal can be. If someone playing instruments acutally can make you feel sick to your stomic, now thats a genuine emotion youre experiencing. Embrace that sick rotten feeling inside.
Now. If Deicide's music was so bad that it made you feel sick to you bone, that would have been a hole other story. But Deicide made well executed, original and honest music that makes you wanna puke and squeel. Now thats genius.
I love Deicide's first two albums and their last three (to a lesser extent). However their first two (the self-titled album and Legion) sound like some straightforward, but much better than average, brutal death while the last three albums are thrashier. I don't find it very 'sickening' sounding if that makes sense.
I don't mean to say "yo these bands are way more br00tal and sick than those mainstream bands like Deicide", but I find more twisted sounding death metal bands like Malignancy, Mindly Rotten, Ulcerate and a lot of good grindcore bands like Carcass and Pig Destroyer evoke that rotten feeling you're describing better. Malignancy's first full-length was more old-school brutal death,
but their later shit was insane--not necessarily better, just more fucked up sounding.
I like the way Ulcerate create atmosphere without compromising the brutality.
Columbia is just bursting at the seams with death metal. Mindly Rotten is one of the better Columbian acts
You don't even really make sense in saying "twisted sounding death metal." Malignancy sounds nothing like Ulcerate or that other band you posted. Just brutal death. Ulcerate is a tech/brutal death. I'm pretty sure that other band is too but that last one was awful. No offense but it's not that impressive to be really technical. Lots of bands can do it. This band is pretty generic. There were times where it just sounded like a mess of noise.
Brutal Death is a very fragile genre, lots of generic bands who just want to be super heavy or brutal and it ends up sounding boring or awful. Wormed. Spanish Brutal Death. Has that dissonant sound, has awesome riffing, is heavy, guttural vocals. You may like it it.
On August 21 2011 23:58 shadymmj wrote: i consider myself very much a death metal fan but i just can't get into deicide for the life of me. i like Death, Entombed, Dismembere, Atheist, even necroticism-era Carcass, but deicide just sounds like pig screams and a wall of blast beats to me.
Yes Deicide can be a tough listening. Its pretty umcompromising. But music is an artform. And art is not always something to enjoy, but to experience. I mean, i dont necessary always enjoy Deicide that much, but more so its an experience of how raw and extreme metal can be. If someone playing instruments acutally can make you feel sick to your stomic, now thats a genuine emotion youre experiencing. Embrace that sick rotten feeling inside.
Now. If Deicide's music was so bad that it made you feel sick to you bone, that would have been a hole other story. But Deicide made well executed, original and honest music that makes you wanna puke and squeel. Now thats genius.
I love Deicide's first two albums and their last three (to a lesser extent). However their first two (the self-titled album and Legion) sound like some straightforward, but much better than average, brutal death while the last three albums are thrashier. I don't find it very 'sickening' sounding if that makes sense.
I don't mean to say "yo these bands are way more br00tal and sick than those mainstream bands like Deicide", but I find more twisted sounding death metal bands like Malignancy, Mindly Rotten, Ulcerate and a lot of good grindcore bands like Carcass and Pig Destroyer evoke that rotten feeling you're describing better.
Theres just something brutally evil about early deicide (I've only listened to their first three) soundwise. I mean sure, there are more 'evil' bands and certainly more 'brutal' bands like the grindcore ones, but when i listen to deicide theres an ancient EVIL feel to it. The 80's production with the dirty, but thin guitars contributes to this. And even tough the vocals aren't indistinguishable gutteral sounds there nonetheless some beastly growls that transcended what was previously achieved. Up until the point of Deicides debut in 1990 i'd say that most of the extreme metal bands were using high pitch sneering or shouting to deliever there lyrical messages, but Deicides vocalist cut ground with his deep growling (still he varies alot between shrieks and growls). The volume on the vocals is also really loud and add power to his battlecries against God.
To me these vocals make can me feel sick. The relentless blastbeats, fronted by some loooud aggressive vocals coming straight from the deepest hell just makes feel slightly uncomfortable when im relaxing in my favourite chair sipping on hot chocolate, but its ALL GOOD.
Now here for something more brutal sounding
Now this just leaves me smily and giddly. I guess its because it flows really well.
My favorite Floridian DM band. Well, the first three albums at least. Morbid Angel just has amazing riffs and David Vincent's vocals embody what I consider are evil vocals. Distinguishable and yet still a growl. Trey's guitar work for A,B and C is just great. So many moment I find myself thinking DAT RIFF in my head. Pete the feet just complements all this with his great drumming.(as seen in Word Downfall too) Altars of Madness sits prety high on my all time list and Chapel of Ghouls is my all time favorite DM song.
Incantation is awesome too. It seems almost anything Craig Pillard touches is gold. Disma, Incantation, Disciples of Mockery.
On August 22 2011 23:23 ZombieNostalgia wrote: You don't even really make sense in saying "twisted sounding death metal." Malignancy sounds nothing like Ulcerate or that other band you posted. Just brutal death. Ulcerate is a tech/brutal death. I'm pretty sure that other band is too but that last one was awful. No offense but it's not that impressive to be really technical. Lots of bands can do it. This band is pretty generic. There were times where it just sounded like a mess of noise. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsiyB_XSF7E
I don't really care much for weedly weedly technicality by itself. If I did I would only listen to Necrophagist and Brain Drill or Chopin and Frank Zappa. I didn't mean to lump any of the bands I listed together in the same subgenre or even say that they sounded similar; I was just listing a handful of random death metal bands that personally evoke the same sickening but pleasant feeling that tanngard was saying he gets from Deicide, which is more subjective than anything.
That being said I do listen to Wormed, but I think the 'mess of noise' description fits them as well, except I don't feel it detracts from the music. Songwriting is important and a lot of the time death metal bands just seem to throw together random riffs/ideas with no real coherence, but I really think that whether it sounds good in the end is a hit-and-miss kind of thing and is highly subjective.
On August 02 2011 08:06 ZombieNostalgia wrote: I think the fact that it is Melodic Black Metal makes it a little more confusing but if one listens to enough first/second wave black metal and death metal, you can probably tell the difference. I found myself returning to Storm of Light's Bane today to make sure. It's not too hard to tell. I've almost never heard before this thread any Dissection being labeled as DM.
According to Dan Swano, who produced those first two albums, Dissection was a pure death metal band. Of course that is simply not true because there obviously a ton of black and thrash metal influences; and they are a pretty singular band with a unique sound.
Anyways here is one of my favorite DM bands, carcass. This is kinda a rarer song, but its one of my favorites: Carcass - Hepatic Tissue Fermentation II
Ooh there seems to be quite some focus on looks there. Personally I couldn't care less though as I think the music matters more. But maybe it's something to think about if you play live or go listen to a concert. I think the singing is a good part because I rarely hear the lyircs in death metal... say I can hear 10%? Then I can hear maybe 25% in deathcore. Well lyrics doesn't really matter if you can't hear what they sing anyway. And about the bands you listed I have been instructed to not listen to some of them xD I think I should keep away.
Thanks for explaining this for me guys
in my experience, the focus on looks is pretty dominant in most metalhead's hating on deathcore (and vice versa, i guess)... sure, people will talk about boring breakdowns and whatnot, but they're really just worried about short hair and hardcore/emo style people in "their" scene.
i don't know... personally, i'll leave all that to the teenagers (no hating/mocking here, this kind of stuff is an important part of forming one's identity) and just listen to the music i like.
i think it's rather silly to absolutely love death metal and absolutely hate deathcore at the same time... after all, these are two pretty similar genres, sometimes even not really distinguishable.
The majority of people are hating on the scene and how certain bands cater to the scene. Said bands and especially the scene-oriented fans will move on to something else when it's not popular amongst their peers anymore.
I can't remember what band interview it was but they were comparing US fans to EU fans. The gist of it was in EU the fans are in it for life more or less. They see many of the same people at the gigs they saw 10-15 years ago. Most people at the gig look like they know the songs. But in the US they have to sort of rebuild their fan base every tour. The kids that were at the last show have probably already moved onto another trend even as quick as a year later.
Ooh there seems to be quite some focus on looks there. Personally I couldn't care less though as I think the music matters more. But maybe it's something to think about if you play live or go listen to a concert. I think the singing is a good part because I rarely hear the lyircs in death metal... say I can hear 10%? Then I can hear maybe 25% in deathcore. Well lyrics doesn't really matter if you can't hear what they sing anyway. And about the bands you listed I have been instructed to not listen to some of them xD I think I should keep away.
Thanks for explaining this for me guys
in my experience, the focus on looks is pretty dominant in most metalhead's hating on deathcore (and vice versa, i guess)... sure, people will talk about boring breakdowns and whatnot, but they're really just worried about short hair and hardcore/emo style people in "their" scene.
i don't know... personally, i'll leave all that to the teenagers (no hating/mocking here, this kind of stuff is an important part of forming one's identity) and just listen to the music i like.
i think it's rather silly to absolutely love death metal and absolutely hate deathcore at the same time... after all, these are two pretty similar genres, sometimes even not really distinguishable.
I have to disagree with you here. It's cool that you like deathcore, and I'm not trying to rain on your parade. It just for the most part doesn't offer me what I enjoy in death metal.
Examples. I like this:
Not this:
I like this (note some similarities to 'deathcore' here. I find the actual riffs and composition to be far superior however):
Not this:
If you can't tell the difference, then you aren't listening to this music for the same reasons I am. Which is fine, but I wouldn't make blanket statements about what music others should like if you're not in the same framework as others.
I don't listen to a lot of death metal, I'm more of a thrash fan, but if anyone hasn't heard Amon Amarth he definitely should listen to them. Here are a few songs.
Guys, guys, guys... This thread lacks some danish black/death Metal from the one and only PANZERCHRIST! [The first one is my favorite because of that fucking godly melodic guitar!] + Show Spoiler +
On September 03 2011 22:50 ZombieNostalgia wrote: I know this isn't obviously death metal but I find it funny enough and it still has a metal band in it. http://official.fm/tracks/196155
Then why on earth are you posting? This is a _death metal_ thread.
Because I wanted to. There were plenty of other post that weren't death metal. I've posted plenty of Death metal.Cry some more. It's not like I forced you to click on it. People are so touchy.
On September 03 2011 22:50 ZombieNostalgia wrote: I know this isn't obviously death metal but I find it funny enough and it still has a metal band in it. http://official.fm/tracks/196155
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r70ZMcGkf0A
That song remains the king of doomy death metal IMO, and their best song. God I love it.
On September 04 2011 07:17 Alvalanker wrote: Death
Cynic
Between the Buried and Me
That is all.
What a great contribution....
I have not been listening to a shit ton of DM lately as Simon & Garfunkel and various other not so metal groups have been occupying my iTunes.. But Cancer has popped up a couple of times, and with good reason:
I for one never liked Between the Buried and Me, overly melodic sterile band IMO.
Also for a band that mainly plays grindcore Harmony Curroption is sweet!
Same goes for Amorphis though they never played Grindcore they have been going further and further away from their original sound which was pretty killer:
I have not been listening to a shit ton of DM lately as Simon & Garfunkel and various other not so metal groups have been occupying my iTunes.. But Cancer has popped up a couple of times, and with good reason:
I'm currently listening to the new Opeth album, Heritage. It's really boring so far. Not really memorable. Bland King Crimson worship pretty much. I like some Opeth but their later works really bores me. Blackwater Park is my last liked one. Anyone else listen to it yet? I'm not even going to post a song from it. It's not even metal now. Instead here is some NY Proto-slam. Well, it was slam before slam was a term for music.
Nice, I do enjoy some slam DM, mostly the classics such as Suffocation nad Cryptosy. That was before slam became the most redundant subgenre of DM with most of the pre-2000 releases in the genre imo.
On September 06 2011 12:41 ZombieNostalgia wrote: I'm currently listening to the new Opeth album, Heritage. It's really boring so far. Not really memorable. Bland King Crimson worship pretty much. I like some Opeth but their later works really bores me. Blackwater Park is my last liked one. Anyone else listen to it yet? I'm not even going to post a song from it. It's not even metal now. Instead here is some NY Proto-slam. Well, it was slam before slam was a term for music.
Ghost Reveries is probably the peak of that style of music they were pushing. It only made sense to evolve like that, especially considering how Watershed was. I really enjoyed Heritage, a shit ton. But I'm not caught up on if it's metal enough or not. And I have vip passes to see them this fall tour.
Opeth seemed to kind of drop off after Blackwater park. In my opinion they kind of dragged songs on longer than really needed to be. It just wasn't as interesting to listen to as their older stuff. Heritage really is more of something I can put on and do stuff to. Background music. I'll probably re-listen one more time. But it'll probably be while I'm reading some of my text books.
This one cracks me up every time, it is from the dutch grindcore band Last Days of humanity, that Bert & Ernie edit is just too funny.
I know it isnt "Death" but still loud
I used to listen to Opeth a lot but lately i dont seem to enjoy their music that much anymore. I find it kinda boring in some way. (apart from some great songs) He still has one of the most epic grunts imo though.
Have anybody heard Megaslaughter :D? Recently read about them in a swedish metal/rock magazine. I looked them up at youtube and got really suprised. Its awesome :D!
On September 06 2011 12:41 ZombieNostalgia wrote: I'm currently listening to the new Opeth album, Heritage. It's really boring so far. Not really memorable. Bland King Crimson worship pretty much. I like some Opeth but their later works really bores me. Blackwater Park is my last liked one. Anyone else listen to it yet? I'm not even going to post a song from it. It's not even metal now. Instead here is some NY Proto-slam. Well, it was slam before slam was a term for music.
I absolutely love it, I feel like Opeth is one of the few bands that can go so far out of their comfort zone and still make an amazing album. That said, no its not metal and I understand that if thats what you want, the album probably wont do it for you.
Old school Cadaver. In pains is definitely one of my favorite death metal albums ever. I wish other bands would write in this style, but the song-writing style is really damn hard to replicate. But it's fucking epic.
It is...the whisper grunt. Just more proof of how awesome Finland is.
It's not that Opeth has gotten decreasingly less metal that made me lose interest in them its that they like to drag out songs. They do a bunch of nonimpressive things. I didnt like this new album because it does the same thing where it has a bunch of boring parts where nearly nothing happens and I could really just listen to a King Crimson album and be better off. I wouldn't post it here justbecause its not metal. Just really long winded prog.I listen to a bunch of non-metal things. Ive been listening to a ton on Wu-tang clan. Mainly their first. That shit is on permanent repeat in my car.
Also, has anyone seen that there is a metalcore thread now? It's terrible, they post gothenburg worship bands in there and a whole bunch of post-hardcore. I cringe hard. There is such a thing as good metalcore but the ones they seem to be posting arent even really metalcore. The modern view of metalcore has deviated from metal with an actual hardcore influence into the only real influence being a breakdown. It doesnt apply to all of the modern metalcore but it does for a lot. I've noticed a lot of "Noun the verb" type bands popping up with metalcore labels attached to them. No clue why that is. Seems kind of dumb.
Just don't bother yourself with that stuff. It's a waste of time. I can't imagine what anyone sees in these bands, but I'm certainly not missing out by not listening to them. They are fuckin awful.
Edit: Although if Neuraxis counts as metalcore, I do like one metalcore band (not their latest so much though). I don't think do though. They are more technical death metal.
I've got a list of good metalcore bands on my bookmarked at my house. I will post later for anyone who is interested in seeing metalcore that is competent in constructing guitar riffing and not abusing breakdowns with just one note.
I posted one of the bands in the metalcore thread. It's a holy terror band named Catharsis. My favorite band from the good metalcore scene. Of course it gets unnoticed and the post-hardcore band below me gets praised. Fucking facepalming hard.
I like to post there to test out there knowledge or lack of in their music. I try not to be mean and just say "you're music suck please listen to better stuff." I want to but I would probably get a temp ban.
Opeth was a pretty alright band, though I do not have an ever extending boner for them like half of the metal community, on a similair note Death are the most worshipped DM band which is totally understandable:
I only really liked 2 death albums. Symbolic and leprosy. Never listen to scream bloody gore.yes, I know I really should but I do this with really obvious albums all the time. I get caught up in the lesser known stuff a bunch just because its what I see recommended more in my music forums. I really wish I had even a decent music scene around here. The most metal band that has played here in a while was mastodon and that was with dethklok. Terrible show. Ghoul is coming soon but with two other mediocre bands and the are getting the least play time. Not even worth it since I plan on seeing them at maryland deathfest next year. I live in upstate ny and its just a bunch of metalcore bands here.
Yes, the metalcore thread is awful. Those idiots can't even play their instruments properly and end up doing their retarded gøteborg worship melodies. I feel sick to my stomach. >
Listening to Ripping Corpse was a trip because I was expecting death/thrash in the vein of Malevolent Creation, but instead I heard death/thrash that gave off a Lovecraft-vibe. Great band, I wish more people knew about them.
Christ ppl need to get a fucking grip, he's a fuckin stand up comedian, not an asshole. Metal heads or not, if you take this seriously than your pretty pathetic.I'm a fuckin metalhead and I find this hilarious because I can take a joke and I don't take shit to heart. Pablo is a great comedian and is as original as it gets, so fuck off haters.
I like Pablo Francisco but it feels like you're trying to insult us subtlety and you put that quote there as a safe guard to shield yourself from angry metalheads. If you wanted to share that standup with us, there's no need to add a quote that says "hey metalheads you're all a bunch of cynical pricks learn to take a joke"
Puteraeon is swedish that's why it sounds like swedish worship. Here is a czech band that is pure swedish worship. Killer riffs and that sunlight studio buzzsaw guitar tone. So sexy.
I don't mind em. Vocals aren't a huge deal to me all that much. Especially in Death metal and extreme metal genres. Demolition hammer. Sexy brutal thrash. I feel like it is more fitting to post here. Has death influences here and there but more obviously it is thrash. I could also post Morbid Saint. Even more eargasmic music.
Just dug out a real gem in my eyes, small german band that never got the fame it deserved. Can't believe I missed the only live gig that they played near to me.
Essentially Pantera with a more death metal influence. It's dumbfounding how close the two sound. Considering the demo for this came out in 89', I believe. Then debuted in 90 a few months before Pantera's first big album Cowboys from Hell. Before Cowboys they were a glam band. I think it's a bit more than a coincidence but it doesn't matter because I really don't like Pantera at all and exhorder pretty much devolved into another generic groove metal band after Slaughter.
One more. Really great Italian Death/Thrash. Don't really see it getting mentioned all that much but it's really good. Unless it was posted before then oh well the more exposure the better. I don't feel like checking.
ZombieNostalgia is my saving grace when it comes to DM. I have been on somewhat on a dry spell as far as finding new bands have been concerned but this.. CHANGES EVERYTHING.
I'm just a huge death metal enthusiast. I really enjoy discovering new bands and having knowledge in music. I've got more stuff I'll post and I'll probably keep getting more new stuff. I have like 2 hours between classes most days so I get a good chunk of music in at least at school.
Hi there, Speaking of death prediction, I find it really odd that one of the on-line death prediction services showed me the same death date that I was foretold in my dream about a year ago. http://yourdeathdate.info/1/index.html - I can’t explain this coincidence in any other way except that there must be some kind of magic involved here.
I wonder if the mods really look that this thread. If they do that's a god sign since there haven't been that many moderation here as far as I know. I will know soon enough with the advertising.
Hi there, Speaking of death prediction, I find it really odd that one of the on-line death prediction services showed me the same death date that I was foretold in my dream about a year ago. http://yourdeathdate.info/1/index.html - I can’t explain this coincidence in any other way except that there must be some kind of magic involved here.
Sounds like Technical Brutal death. Fairly wanky but decent. Doesn't do what a lot of brutal metal bands do and stagnate like half way through a song. Thisis one one my favorite bdm songs. Heard it live too. that break is awesome.
Defeated Sanity is to me one of those band you never grow tired of. You might listen to them a lot, and you'll want something else for a while, but you still go back to them after a while because they are so awesome. The vocalist sounds so... mean.
edit: their songs are a fucking bitch to play though
It's funny, they have gone through like 4 or 5 vocalist and the one who recorded on this one's last show was the show I was at. Chapters of Repugnance is such a great album. It really should be a guideline for future BDM albums. I've always considered BDM to be a touchy genre considering how boring songs can get when a band sits on one riff for a while until a breakdown because it sounds heavy.
Insomnium is in my books a rare gem in a sense that they've published four albums and all of them have been simply awesome. My all time favourite song:
And a sample from the new album they just released this month, excellent stuff!
I don't know if this band qualifies for this thread (I perused the thread and haven't seen them mentioned yet) as it is considered blackened death metal and not just death metal, but people who like standard ol' death metal should like this. Zyklon was formed a little before Emperor broke up. The drummer is Trym Torson from Emperor (one of my favourite drummers) and one guitar player is Samoth from Emperor.
Their first album was awesome but when they got a new vocalist it kinda went downhill so I'll only post stuff from their first album. Anywho, here it is:
Does anyone know why Scion is investing into extreme music? Last year, Scion helped Magrudergrind record an EP by paying for everything. What's the benefit for Scion? Maybe someone at Scion just really loves extreme music.
In my opinion one of the best death metal bands of all time. Their current album isn't as great as the previous one but still very good. This is the first song from their previous album Antithesis, just gorgeous:
Where are all the metalheads on TL.net? We need some more likeminded persons to post videos of fantastic bands so that we all can benefit from the exposure to new bands. Lately I have become more intrigued by death metal and therefore listening more to it. Here is my latest find for a good band:
On November 17 2011 17:50 NeThZOR wrote: Where are all the metalheads on TL.net? We need some more likeminded persons to post videos of fantastic bands so that we all can benefit from the exposure to new bands. Lately I have become more intrigued by death metal and therefore listening more to it. Here is my latest find for a good band:
Now for the death metal enthusiast this year has looked pretty decent, not spectular but with some solid releases like the newly released "Ghouls of the Endless Night" by Bastard Priest the year is looking better and better.
I will have to listen to mroe of the 2011 releases and hopefully by end December I will have a good : )
On November 25 2011 02:54 TheBamf wrote: Alright folks, a lot of people have posted non-DM (noob stuff ) in this thread but someone has made a thread dedicated to all that junk so go there if you are in doubt: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=288636
Now for the death metal enthusiast this year has looked pretty decent, not spectular but with some solid releases like the newly released "Ghouls of the Endless Night" by Bastard Priest the year is looking better and better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CItEM8c5MtI
I will have to listen to mroe of the 2011 releases and hopefully by end December I will have a good : )
Nice. Didn't know they had a new release. Under the Hammer of Destruction was pretty fucking killer. I'll have to check it out. New release for Black/Death band Antediluvian. Pretty unrelenting and savage stuff. I've really fell behind recently. Been busy with school and playing all the cool games that have come out.
It took me forever to check this album out. Shame on me.
On November 25 2011 02:54 TheBamf wrote: Alright folks, a lot of people have posted non-DM (noob stuff ) in this thread but someone has made a thread dedicated to all that junk so go there if you are in doubt: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=288636
Now for the death metal enthusiast this year has looked pretty decent, not spectular but with some solid releases like the newly released "Ghouls of the Endless Night" by Bastard Priest the year is looking better and better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CItEM8c5MtI
I will have to listen to mroe of the 2011 releases and hopefully by end December I will have a good : )
An "a" before "philosopher" would have made that sentence a lot easier to decipher;)
Are you asking about the nature of DM and why we like it?
To take reflect on the sentence you wrote when writing about DM: DM for me differs quite a lot. It is not the celebration of the lack of life but rather objection to the standardization of life, the edge of DM is not nessecarily that it is different but it does not care to conform. It gives it an edge unlike other music to me, take me not for ignorant though, I like a lot of different music. Quite more than even the more advanced music enthusiast, death metal remains with me because it has an element not shared by any other type of music. It is unparalled in agression and hits me right were I like it to, it entertains me and challenges me.
The obsession with taboo's is the very root of the genre, most of the music reflects it to no end.
On November 25 2011 06:31 TheBamf wrote: An "a" before "philosopher" would have made that sentence a lot easier to decipher;)
Are you asking about the nature of DM and why we like it?
To take reflect on the sentence you wrote when writing about DM: DM for me differs quite a lot. It is not the celebration of the lack of life but rather objection to the standardization of life, the edge of DM is not nessecarily that it is different but it does not care to conform. It gives it an edge unlike other music to me, take me not for ignorant though, I like a lot of different music. Quite more than even the more advanced music enthusiast, death metal remains with me because it has an element not shared by any other type of music. It is unparalled in agression and hits me right were I like it to, it entertains me and challenges me.
The obsession with taboo's is the very root of the genre, most of the music reflects it to no end.
Thanks. I was a bit worried of getting hardcore flamed
Yes, I corrected my sentence and forgot to put an "a".
I made mine the idea that art is a celebration of life, so I guess I'll never get through the contradiction. If I understand it's like a strong drink or high adrenaline sport?
It is hard to put it in a box like that, for some it is just that but it entirely depends on the person and also what kind of death metal you are listening to. Sometimes I want to be put in a mood and sometimes I just want my senses occupied by something really hard hitting.
This is a good example of something I usually want out of DM many days:
Playing through Suffo's Pierced from Within or Decaptated's Winds of Creation on guitar makes the high APM of starcraft pro players pretty unimpressive, hehe.
Been listening to this album a lot recently. Completely forgot just how good it is. Death metal like this is getting hella rare. No vocals on those two songs however. Album is half instrumental.
Also been listening to Misery's On Demon Wings a lot today. Pretty solid as well, however there's no songs on youtube to link.
On December 31 2011 11:09 LoLAdriankat wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEDSjRouZrU Pretty much what you'd expect out of Polish death metal. A lot of cool riffs and sick drumming.
Kinda reminds me of Malignancy if they knew how to write a song. I dig it, although a bit generic sounding. Did I hear a cowbell though? Haha
Denial's album is indeed a must-have for anyone that likes its death metal extra dark. Showing kids how to sound heavy without palm muting everything.
On December 31 2011 11:09 LoLAdriankat wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEDSjRouZrU Pretty much what you'd expect out of Polish death metal. A lot of cool riffs and sick drumming.
Kinda reminds me of Malignancy if they knew how to write a song. I dig it, although a bit generic sounding. Did I hear a cowbell though? Haha
Yo man, Malignancy's songwriting is too awesome for you apparently. Song structures are like women; you want them to make sense but then you just go fuck it if they're hot. j/k I love Malignancy, but I wouldn't really seriously defend their songwriting ability.
Haha yeah. Malignancy is pretty much tech riff into tech riff into slam. Defeated Sanity gets away with similar song structures because the riffs blend and lead into each other in a jazz/jazz rock sort of manner. It's still very much possible to enjoy Malignancy for what they are though, would love to see them in a live show.
i'll post here a few italian bands that i think should be more known on an international level:
Lento - their last album is something amazing, you can download it for free on their label website http://denovali.com/lento/
Ufomammut - even if i don't know them very much, this is one of the better known italian metal bands. saw them live with lento, i preferred the second ones but still amazing performance.
The end of six thousand years - awesome band, they split a think a couple of years ago but a few months ago got back together and produced another album (which i didn't have yet the time to listen to). anyway, their previous album 'isolation' it's one of my favourite ones, you should give it a try. sad that there are not so many of their songs uploaded on youtube, but iirc their last album has been entirely uploaded on it so you could give it a try.
Godless crusade - do not confuse them with the german band, they just share the same name. these guys are from my town, they split up right after the release of the album, but it sounds so perfect to me i thought it had to be mentioned. the drums sound like a drum machine, guitars jump from straight riffs to freaking melodic soloes, must fall in love with!
The secret - their label is Southern Lord, do i need to say more?
i would also like to add these guys
Celeste - a bunch of french guys i had the pleasure to meet (actually, like all the other bands i posted above). they put up the sickest show, which consists in a totally dark room, a strobe light and red lights on their foreheads. even if the singer that time was passed out because of the too alcohol (lolol) show was so great. also they are under denovali, here's the link for the free download of (i guess) all their albums http://denovali.com/celeste/
hope you will enjoy at least one of these bands, cheers
Newer Pestilence is indeed sad when compared to their older works.
Hate Eternal gets a lot of shit for being "repetitive" but sometimes all you need is a constant stream of blast beats and stupid awesome riffs to get the job done.
I'm not huge into death metal, but I find myself enjoying what's considered technical death metal to you guys, though really the difference for me is just a more easier melody for me to follow, my favorite song so far being:
How would the average death metal enthusiast rate those technical death bands such as the Faceless, Black Dahlia Murder, etc?
On February 28 2012 10:53 Zdrastochye wrote: I'm not huge into death metal, but I find myself enjoying what's considered technical death metal to you guys, though really the difference for me is just a more easier melody for me to follow, my favorite song so far being:
Black Dahlia Murder is very good, but its not technical death metal, its melodic death metal. I'm a fan but im also more open than your average metal elitist.
On February 29 2012 01:02 TheBamf wrote: You like djent and BDM tho, so that kinda repulses any right to be elitist
Well I also like Brain Drill, Anomalous, Arsis, Athiest, Decrepit Birth, Necrophagist, Obscura, Origin, Viraemia.. and I still don't think being a fan of TBDM is anything to be ashamed of.
On February 29 2012 01:02 TheBamf wrote: You like djent and BDM tho, so that kinda repulses any right to be elitist
Well I also like Brain Drill, Anomalous, Arsis, Athiest, Decrepit Birth, Necrophagist, Obscura, Origin, Viraemia.. and I still don't think being a fan of TBDM is anything to be ashamed of.
Most of those (with a serious exception being Athiest) are wank-tech death. I can digg Obscura and Atheist, no one tells you to be ashamed of anything, like what you like!
On February 29 2012 01:02 TheBamf wrote: You like djent and BDM tho, so that kinda repulses any right to be elitist
Well I also like Brain Drill, Anomalous, Arsis, Athiest, Decrepit Birth, Necrophagist, Obscura, Origin, Viraemia.. and I still don't think being a fan of TBDM is anything to be ashamed of.
Brain Drill is LOL bad. I love me some tech death but thats just fucking stupid. Agreed with you on TBDM though, they continue At the Gate's legacy of making more aggressive melodeath quite nicely imo. You won't find any fluffy powermetal garbage in their music (like In Flames etc etc), just straight up blast beat driven death metal with a solid sense of melody and solos galore. The only other modern day melodeath bands I like a lot are Insomnium and Arsis minus their last album.
Demilich has such awesome riffs (not to mention completely unique lyrics and song titles) but man those vocals are just a little too weird for me.
If anyone hasn't heard of Timeghoul. They should check out their demo. They jut got released a a comp for Dark Decent. It' a little rough but it's awesome.
I was an avid death metal fan for years, now it has pretty much boiled down to the few albums I feel are worth it. If I listen to death metal its most likely old swedish style or modern tech death like Fleshgod Apocalypse.
Me and some friends played that on a bar's jukebox one night. We got some weird looks. Then we played some Death and the bartender asked us to either put on sensible music or leave. So we left.
On March 05 2012 05:34 TheBamf wrote: Brutal Truth is funfunfun
Ahh, Brutal Truth - Extreme Conditions Demand Extreme Responses". So much quality on that album! (Walking Corpse, Stench of Prophet, Time, Ill Neglect).
Seen these guys live so many times back in the day. They always seemed to do warm up gigs for Bay Area bands coming to Denmark in the early nineties. They never failed to deliver live.
"Left Hand Path" is probably the most important album in swedish Death Metal (which is a bold statement). But this song off their second album "Clandestine" is simply incredible:
More swedish classic stuff. I remember them having to cancel a show in Denmark because their singer Johnny was sick and coughing up blood. Morgoth (playing warm up that night) felt sorry for us, and played an extra 30 minutes or something to compensate. I never got to see Unleashed live though .
Stranger Aeons was the perfect balance between groove and DM, I think they went downhill very quickly with their death n' roll stuff. The Clandestine album as a whole I prefer to Left hand Path but both rate amongst the best of Swedish DM.
On March 05 2012 01:12 Roachu wrote: I was an avid death metal fan for years, now it has pretty much boiled down to the few albums I feel are worth it. If I listen to death metal its most likely old swedish style or modern tech death like Fleshgod Apocalypse.
Yeh I don't really bother checking out every release anymore. Just the ones that get hyped by certain people that I know when they say "this is good shit" I know it will be good shit.
On March 05 2012 01:12 Roachu wrote: I was an avid death metal fan for years, now it has pretty much boiled down to the few albums I feel are worth it. If I listen to death metal its most likely old swedish style or modern tech death like Fleshgod Apocalypse.
Yeh I don't really bother checking out every release anymore. Just the ones that get hyped by certain people that I know when they say "this is good shit" I know it will be good shit.
Cheers to the guy that posted the Suffocation and Cryptopsy. Jesus Wept has become my new favorite song as of late. Aside from some old school stuff, I've been digging slam lately:
Nice, haven't heard of this band until now but I dig it. Gonna try and track down the full length. These days when all DM bands are trying to break the sound barrier its nice to hear some more mid paced stuff.
Edit: Definitely will end up being one my favorite albums of 2012 as well.
Not too much a fan of the more known DM bands, but I must say I do enjoy a lot of Chuck's work. I've always been more of a Black Metal / Ambient + Symphonic BM / old school MDM type of guy.
As far as DM and its off-shoots goes...can't go much wrong with Quo Vadis and early Dark Tranquillity.
I'll always maintain that BM bands have more musicianship talent (composition, technical, etc.).
Death growls are ok, but BM vox are where it is at :p
Seriously, check out Horrendous - The Chill. This is so addicting. It reminds me of like Immolation meets maybe The Left Hand Path mixed with grime or doom. Soooo good.
Nice, haven't heard of this band until now but I dig it. Gonna try and track down the full length. These days when all DM bands are trying to break the sound barrier its nice to hear some more mid paced stuff.
Edit: Definitely will end up being one my favorite albums of 2012 as well.
I am very happy to see that you are enjoying it, finding them by accident has been the highlight of my week. I am ordering their album and maybe a t-shirt tonight.
On March 13 2012 21:33 Wegandi wrote: Not too much a fan of the more known DM bands, but I must say I do enjoy a lot of Chuck's work. I've always been more of a Black Metal / Ambient + Symphonic BM / old school MDM type of guy.
As far as DM and its off-shoots goes...can't go much wrong with Quo Vadis and early Dark Tranquillity.
Nice, haven't heard of this band until now but I dig it. Gonna try and track down the full length. These days when all DM bands are trying to break the sound barrier its nice to hear some more mid paced stuff.
Edit: Definitely will end up being one my favorite albums of 2012 as well.
I am very happy to see that you are enjoying it, finding them by accident has been the highlight of my week. I am ordering their album and maybe a t-shirt tonight.
On March 13 2012 21:33 Wegandi wrote: Not too much a fan of the more known DM bands, but I must say I do enjoy a lot of Chuck's work. I've always been more of a Black Metal / Ambient + Symphonic BM / old school MDM type of guy.
As far as DM and its off-shoots goes...can't go much wrong with Quo Vadis and early Dark Tranquillity.
Hi guys - just saw the thread get bumped, so I thought I'd share two things, which does not seem to be here.
First, this documentary on heavy metal comes highly recommended, even though it isn't about death metal exclusively - however, its pretty awesome! Its called Metal: A Headbangers Journey ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478209/ )
Second, the heaviest three-piece death metal I know - and they just released their second album. Enjoy! + Show Spoiler +
Limbonic Art is just pure cheese. I listen to A LOT of both DM and BM but that is one band I just never could get into. For me "symphonic" black metal starts and ends with Emperor. Comparing metal gods like Immolation to LA is a bit strange to me. Now Enslaved, that's another story.
On March 14 2012 01:53 Neurosis wrote: Limbonic Art is just pure cheese. I listen to A LOT of both DM and BM but that is one band I just never could get into. For me "symphonic" black metal starts and ends with Emperor. Comparing metal gods like Immolation to LA is a bit strange to me. Now Enslaved, that's another story.
I am of the same notion as far as Limbonic Art and symphonic black metal. I have for a while only really been listening to Destroyer 666, Drudkh, Immortal, Darkthrone and Bathory recently, as far as BM goes.
On March 14 2012 01:53 Neurosis wrote: Limbonic Art is just pure cheese. I listen to A LOT of both DM and BM but that is one band I just never could get into. For me "symphonic" black metal starts and ends with Emperor. Comparing metal gods like Immolation to LA is a bit strange to me. Now Enslaved, that's another story.
There are a lot of great symphonic BM bands. Obviously Emperor is great, but they're not the only band to stand out.
Well, LA is pretty much a very well known BM band and quite popular as well, so I figured it was an apt comparison.
On March 14 2012 01:53 Neurosis wrote: Limbonic Art is just pure cheese. I listen to A LOT of both DM and BM but that is one band I just never could get into. For me "symphonic" black metal starts and ends with Emperor. Comparing metal gods like Immolation to LA is a bit strange to me. Now Enslaved, that's another story.
I am of the same notion as far as Limbonic Art and symphonic black metal. I have for a while only really been listening to Destroyer 666, Drudkh, Immortal, Darkthrone and Bathory recently, as far as BM goes.
How do you like Autopsy, Neurosis?
Autopsy is great, even their new one which surprised me. Definitely one of the more underrated DM bands out there.
Amongst metal-"knowers" they certainly are not underrated by from afar they are very unappreciated when put against the likes of Death or Morbid Angel.
Wegandi I think you may like these symphonic DM bands. A lot of metal heads that like the symphonic stuff tend to praise these bands, Septic Flesh especially.
On March 14 2012 02:10 Neurosis wrote: Wegandi I think you may like these symphonic DM bands. A lot of metal heads that like the symphonic stuff tend to praise these bands, Septic Flesh especially.
I particularly enjoyed the septicflesh piece, so-so with the fleshgod one. I suppose for a DM thread I should post some YT's of the bands I like. I quite enjoy Augury from time to time.
Of course it'll probably get the 'wankery' title, but I find a lot of TDM to be particularly enjoyable to listen to. :p (Though you can't top Quo Vadis...such a great band)
I quite like Augury myself. It's definitely extremely self indulgent but that's the best kind of tech death haha. Also I'm a sucker for melodic solos, so yeah. Some tech death you may like.
I posted this in January. You guys should pay more attention. Lol. Edit: Well now the video is disable but it worked for a while. It was one if the horrendous songs.
This came out last year. Really cool Crusty Death/Thrash.
And I know this isnt Death metal but it's awesome Black metal and will probably will be one of my top albums for this year like how their album last year was.
I posted this in January. You guys should pay more attention. Lol. Edit: Well now the video is disable but it worked for a while. It was one if the horrendous songs.
Funny story. I won a shirt and a 7" for liking their record companies page on facebook. They were celebrating their first 300 likes. I was like 301.
This year has been slow for Death metal. Got a good amount of good black metal albums and Pallbearer's awesome doom album but very few death metal albums.
Not really death metal but I have a feeling DM fans will love it anyways.
I don't really like thrash that much but No More Color is definitely in my top 5 favorite albums of all time. It's just mind bending how good this band is.
I don't really like thrash that much but No More Color is definitely in my top 5 favorite albums of all time. It's just mind bending how good this band is.
Someone should make a black metal thread imo. This is neither death nor black metal (it's more sludge or grime) but it's awesome regardless. The cover art shows some boobage so I'll put it in spoilers, not sure what the procedure is on nudity here.
Black/Thrash but I definitely enjoy Force of Darkness. I highly recommend their full length. Darkness Revelation to fans of the video. South America is pretty much my favorite location for Black Metal right under Canada.
They are long overdue for another album. Their last 2 were fucking awesome.
Also, at the risk of getting flamed by the DM elitists, I have to admit the new job for a cowboy is actually pretty killer. Seriously, just check it out.
Posting newer stuff. It's technically 2011 since it was released in like the 3rd week of Dec 11. By the time any one would have heard it it was the new year already. Lol.
In my opinion one of the greatest danish death metal acts. The vocalist Bo "Subwoofer" Summer is just as obnoxious and redneck as he looks . I heard this story once: As part of playing a gig back in the mid nineties, the band members each got a wristband (the kind that locks tight once attached) allowing free drinks at the bar all night. Bo instantly grabbed all 5 wrist bands, attached them to his wrist and ordered 5 beers at a time for himself. Internal drunk fighting ensued later on. Rock n roll.
My new favourite death band from Italy that I have to share, Fleshgod Apocalypse! This is The Violation from the album Agony. Check it out because it's brilliant.
On August 31 2012 19:52 FreeZer wrote: My new favourite death band from Italy that I have to share, Fleshgod Apocalypse! This is The Violation from the album Agony. Check it out because it's brilliant.
On August 31 2012 19:52 FreeZer wrote: My new favourite death band from Italy that I have to share, Fleshgod Apocalypse! This is The Violation from the album Agony. Check it out because it's brilliant.
Excellent intro. And seriously, if it had exploded when he goes "I, Calivgla" after the intro like it does after the intro in The Violation I would have jizzed my pants soggy.
On August 31 2012 19:52 FreeZer wrote: My new favourite death band from Italy that I have to share, Fleshgod Apocalypse! This is The Violation from the album Agony. Check it out because it's brilliant.
Awsome album but I never considered it 'overlooked' . Since we are rocking the classics, Ive rediscovered this awsome album recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHXKVlD_X1o
On September 06 2012 22:54 Equity213 wrote: Awsome album but I never considered it 'overlooked' . Since we are rocking the classics, Ive rediscovered this awsome album recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHXKVlD_X1o
Ahh I just meant that unto my experience everyone always talks about Altars of Madness and Blessed are the Sick and while obviously those are really good albums, they tend to forget that Gateways to Annihilation and Domination are also quite good.
Great choice of a song too, Suffocation are wicked. To keep the oldschool chain going, I have to add:
This is the last place where I expected to see Cruel 'Cool' Force pop up. Though definitely not death metal, super fucking good band. Their guitarist is extremely talented, I don't know if he still plays there though. He's definitely playing for Nocturnal nowadays. I've known them since their earliest rehearsal tapes.
Tribulation is a band I've only heard of recently. (After seeing them live) They're playing Old School Death Metal with a few progressive touches and some really cool ideas. They also have a new Album out.
On April 18 2013 00:20 grindC wrote: Tribulation is a band I've only heard of recently. (After seeing them live) They're playing Old School Death Metal with a few progressive touches and some really cool ideas. They also have a new Album out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrmeV2Mwfr8
Their first album is also quite good. I've heard extremely positive opinions on their new one though, still need to check it out.
Oh, and Immolation has a new album coming out very soon ;D
On April 18 2013 00:20 grindC wrote: Tribulation is a band I've only heard of recently. (After seeing them live) They're playing Old School Death Metal with a few progressive touches and some really cool ideas. They also have a new Album out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrmeV2Mwfr8
Their first album is also quite good. I've heard extremely positive opinions on their new one though, still need to check it out.
Oh, and Immolation has a new album coming out very soon ;D
I've been listening to the new album a lot. (Don't have the first one) Needless to say, it really blows my mind.
IKEA is that friendly shop where you get cheap furniture from the inside of a giant, unending warehouse. Black metal is the kind of music that sounds like someone screaming while trapped inside a burning church. They each possess a fervent fan base. And to tell you the truth, the names of the furniture in IKEA sound a lot like the names of black metal bands. Consider this quiz an educational way to learn the difference between the two. It doesn’t matter if you know who Burzum is or if you’ve ever sat in a Preben chair – it’s time to have some kvlt fun. Death to false furniture!
Saw these guys at Maryland Deathfest in 2017. Great band, and their performance was like Pink Floyd on a super bad drug trip (and I don't even do drugs). Easily one of the best performances that year.
So I'm still going to try to keep this thread bumped simply because I hope I'm not the only one on the board listening to this type of music. On the black metal department, I noticed Rotting Christ's first album Thy Mighty Contract turns 25 this year. It really is a classic, one of the best old school black metal albums from outside of Norway.
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That's just my personal aesthetical asswankery though, in truth its somewhere in the grey zone between black and death, and which side of the fence you want to put them. Well, who cares!
) cassette. They're called Venenum and feature the guitarist from Excoriate/drummer of Hellish Crossfire. If you liked Excoriate's old school-Sepultura influenced death metal you'll love this:
Been listening a lot to Corporeal Jigsore Quandary to try play the solo on guitar but it's pretty much not possible. Other than that here's a nice cover of the song 
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