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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15345 Posts
On May 31 2016 07:05 KwarK wrote: Tarlys are meant to be the second richest house after the Lannisters and smug as fuck about the fact that they have a Targ sword and the Lannisters don't. It looked fine. Smug as fuck surely, but certainly not richer than the Tyrells. In terms of wealth any of the great houses should come before the Tarlys actually, if only for the levy they are allowed to pull in. But man Sam's dad, what a perfect cast. Spot on delivery. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
Now, about that chapter summary... damn. That is wicked cool. It makes me all the more sad that we're not going to get that Euron in the show. I cannot wait for TWOW. :-( | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
 It's a shame that they are in a rush to come to an end right now, GRRM still needs at least 2 books the size of ASOS and D&D are only using about 20 episodes for that while using 20 for ASOS alone. It simply shows... | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On May 31 2016 08:53 The_Red_Viper wrote: Hey show Euron says something like "let's go murder them*" (*talking about theon and 'Yara') so he is pretty cool right It's a shame that they are in a rush to come to an end right now, GRRM still needs at least 2 books the size of ASOS and D&D are only using about 20 episodes for that while using 20 for ASOS alone. It simply shows... Then stop watching. If you really think it's that awful, why suffer? I never understood how people can dislike watching something and keep watching :s. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On May 31 2016 09:41 blade55555 wrote: Then stop watching. If you really think it's that awful, why suffer? I never understood how people can dislike watching something and keep watching :s. I don't suffer and don't think "it's awful". It's bad compared to the books and got worse compared to the first seasons, but all things considered it is still good enough to watch it every week. I don't have to pretend that it is oh so amazing though, maybe you should simply ignore my posts regarding the show if you get triggered so much by it | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On May 31 2016 07:30 Barrin wrote: I think this might be the start of Margaery's real power grab. She strengthened her position with ALL parties involved. - She now has the support of the Faith. - She's got Tommen, the King, completely wrapped around her finger. - The Faith and the Crown together really is what gives you the support of the People. - She weakened Cercei's influence over Tommen. - She weakened her family's influence over herself. It's hard to say how long the alliance with the Faith is gonna last: she wants to free her brother. It'll have to last as long as Tommen is alive, and think about it: if Tommen impregnates her with an heir and then dies, she is now the Queen Regent (basically King) while her child grows up, as Cersei was while Joffrey was growing up after Robert died. If she can free her brother (or just write him off, I guess), keep the alliance with the Faith intact (thus keeping the support of the people, though I think she'd do even more for them), AND manage to become Queen Regent, she'd basically have it made until Danaerys makes her way over or the wall fails. It'd be interesting to see what she does with the standing army and border defense. Actually maybe she could settle for just having Tommen under her thumb. edit: oops this was supposed to go in the show thread, lol. This is a valiant attempt to justify a plot twist that unfortunately still doesn't make any sense to me. Her support of the Faith comes at the cost of the support of her family, which is necessarily a net loss. She had Tommen and the support of the masses before she even declared for the Faith too. As for her family, she and her grandmother have been on the same side working towards the same goal from day one. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
It's interesting, but the plotline makes me root for the Lannister twins. Because while they may be vile, they are at least brutally honest with themselves about who they are ("we are the only people that exist"). I think the High Sparrow is honest in a way, but I don't think he's sincere. He tells that story to Margaery about how he learned to abandon his desire for social acceptance and power, but really: wielding power is all he desires. He dictates through self-righteousness and pretending to speak for gods that seem to be completely absent. I hope we see Jaime kill him. On May 31 2016 12:16 writer22816 wrote: This is a valiant attempt to justify a plot twist that unfortunately still doesn't make any sense to me. Her support of the Faith comes at the cost of the support of her family, which is necessarily a net loss. She had Tommen and the support of the masses before she even declared for the Faith too. As for her family, she and her grandmother have been on the same side working towards the same goal from day one. She's shown no signs of any real change in her beliefs or desires to this point. What has she seen from her husband that would give her any confidence in his ability to actually use the power he's supposed to have, that he would free her? She knows he's ineffectual, she's been learning that every day she's sitting in the dungeon and not in her luxurious castle. She doesn't/didn't know Jaime and the Tyrell parents were going to act on their own to free her until the day of her public "atonement". She certainly didn't want to do the Walk of Atonement, I'm sure. She doesn't have the support of the masses, as you say -- at least not to the extent that the Sparrow does. She was set to be humiliated. What should she have done? She secured herself from the Walk of Atonement the only way she could know would work: by making an alliance between the King and the Sparrow. Of course that's what his Holiness has been after from day one. Being stronger than her husband in many ways, and having influence on him, this was a logical next step for her. Instead of walking buck-naked through the masses who are being told to jeer at her, she gets to act like a Queen. I don't think she found Jesus. I'm much more inclined to believe she's just being cunning and practical. She'll abandon the Sparrow as soon as she thinks it's best. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On May 31 2016 07:55 zatic wrote: Smug as fuck surely, but certainly not richer than the Tyrells. In terms of wealth any of the great houses should come before the Tarlys actually, if only for the levy they are allowed to pull in. But man Sam's dad, what a perfect cast. Spot on delivery. Pretty sure the Hightowers of Oldtown are supposed to be the Tyrells' biggest rivals down there. | ||
KwarK
United States42884 Posts
On May 31 2016 07:55 zatic wrote: Smug as fuck surely, but certainly not richer than the Tyrells. In terms of wealth any of the great houses should come before the Tarlys actually, if only for the levy they are allowed to pull in. But man Sam's dad, what a perfect cast. Spot on delivery. I can't give you a page citation but I'm pretty sure Tarly's are #2. Just because you're someone's bannerman doesn't mean you're not rich as fuck. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On May 31 2016 07:55 zatic wrote: Smug as fuck surely, but certainly not richer than the Tyrells. In terms of wealth any of the great houses should come before the Tarlys actually, if only for the levy they are allowed to pull in. Levies are not really tied to wealth though. I'm not so sure the Lord Paramount houses are by default wealthier than some of their subjects. I can't imagine Manderlys are worse off than Starks, ruling over the undisputed trade center of the north. Nor that Tyrells are so much wealthier than Redwynes, seeing as Arbor is pretty much a synonym for wealth and prosperity in Westeros. Of course, we don't really have any information on how taxes work and all, but at least in the North and Reach, the ruling house does not directly control the wealthiest provinces. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
On May 31 2016 07:05 KwarK wrote: Tarlys are meant to be the second richest house after the Lannisters and smug as fuck about the fact that they have a Targ sword and the Lannisters don't. It looked fine. I'm sorry, but where is this info from? I've read the book series a good 5-6 times in the past few years and I just looked over asoiaf wiki and can't find any other mention that they are a house old in honor with rich lands, but nothing to indicate they would be richer than say Tyrells, Redwynes or even Manderlys. | ||
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KwarK
United States42884 Posts
On May 31 2016 23:14 daemir wrote: I'm sorry, but where is this info from? I've read the book series a good 5-6 times in the past few years and I just looked over asoiaf wiki and can't find any other mention that they are a house old in honor with rich lands, but nothing to indicate they would be richer than say Tyrells, Redwynes or even Manderlys. Sam Blurted. "My father always said he was as wealthy as the Lannisters, and could command thrice as many swords as any of Highgarden's other bannermen." | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On June 01 2016 01:05 KwarK wrote: Sam Blurted. "My father always said he was as wealthy as the Lannisters, and could command thrice as many swords as any of Highgarden's other bannermen." I mean he can say whatever he wants tbh. That is still pretty unrealiable if it's the only mention of it. I would rather say the only thing we can safely assume out of this is that the Tarly's are extremely rich. Also for people not knowing the site: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/ | ||
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KwarK
United States42884 Posts
On June 01 2016 01:09 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean he can say whatever he wants tbh. That is still pretty unrealiable if it's the only mention of it. I would rather say the only thing we can safely assume out of this is that the Tarly's are extremely rich. Also for people not knowing the site: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/ ty for the link. Using it gave context that it was referring to the Florents, not the Tarlys. I may have misremembered it from the book based upon the quote. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14896 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On June 01 2016 01:13 KwarK wrote: ty for the link. Using it gave context that it was referring to the Florents, not the Tarlys. I may have misremembered it from the book based upon the quote. That was actually referring to the Hightowers. Hightowers have the Maesters and the Church of the Seven strongholds. | ||
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brian
United States9620 Posts
and also woefully esoteric. oh no this is the wrong GoT thread HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN | ||
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KwarK
United States42884 Posts
On June 01 2016 04:21 andrewlt wrote: That was actually referring to the Hightowers. Hightowers have the Maesters and the Church of the Seven strongholds. rip, I read the quote and still got it wrong | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
On May 31 2016 07:08 KwarK wrote: She has no news from the outside, she had no idea that her family were coming for her with soldiers, she was doing her best to play her husband and the High Sparrow with what she had. Yea I'm thinking the same. She has no idea what has been happening with her grandmother, so she probably saw an opening, and took it. | ||
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