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Jaime
United States213 Posts
On March 24 2012 07:45 Zeon0 wrote: dont worry, he isnt dead^^ he cant focus on Jon for 4 books to kill him off when it gets interesting Not to mention that Jon is the Prince who was Promised, and his is a Song of Ice and Fire, therefore he can't stay dead, if he is dead. | ||
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Maginor
Norway505 Posts
On March 24 2012 12:50 Jaime wrote: Not to mention that Jon is the Prince who was Promised, and his is a Song of Ice and Fire, therefore he can't stay dead, if he is dead. That quote was technically about Aegon though. At least if the scene we saw was literal. Rhaegar never got to see Jon. He also calls the baby Aegon. And I think the woman in the scene was Elia. | ||
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ionlyplayPROtoss
Canada573 Posts
On March 24 2012 10:32 moopie wrote: rofl I think the Starks are about to make a pretty big comeback in the next book or two. They'll go from extinction to rising up and retaking the north. Looking forward to seeing how each of them come back into the picture though, Rickon might be the easiest to bring back, but Sansa/Bran/Arya are kind of out of the way for now. speaking of shifts in power/standings, my favorite is Tyrion's between aCoK and aSoS. Total powerhouse in aCoK into such a downfall right after the blackwater. Tyrion will rise again :D No, Sansa right now out of all the 4 stark children has the potential to field the strongest army. If anything I think the Arryn's will go to war on sansa's behalf as soon as little robert dies and sansa becomes lady of the vale. | ||
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Jaime
United States213 Posts
On March 24 2012 17:22 Maginor wrote: That quote was technically about Aegon though. At least if the scene we saw was literal. Rhaegar never got to see Jon. He also calls the baby Aegon. And I think the woman in the scene was Elia. I don't think so, Rhaegar slept with Lyanna, possibly married, in order to produce the PwwP. Now to be fair this is my opinion, including the fact that Rhaegar and Lyanna are Jon's parents, but I'm pretty sure I'm right. Especially given the fact that Aegon got his head smashed in and the current "Aegon" is likely a fake. | ||
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Leth0
856 Posts
On March 25 2012 04:53 Jaime wrote: I don't think so, Rhaegar slept with Lyanna, possibly married, in order to produce the PwwP. Now to be fair this is my opinion, including the fact that Rhaegar and Lyanna are Jon's parents, but I'm pretty sure I'm right. Especially given the fact that Aegon got his head smashed in and the current "Aegon" is likely a fake. Sorry but niether of those are facts, only assumptions given what we currently know. | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
On March 24 2012 07:45 Zeon0 wrote: dont worry, he isnt dead^^ he cant focus on Jon for 4 books to kill him off when it gets interesting lol what? he has done it on multiple occasions.. | ||
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
On March 25 2012 06:14 Endymion wrote: lol what? he has done it on multiple occasions.. The characters who have spanned multiple books/a large chunk of one, been at least somewhat important, and have ACTUALLY died are: Robert, Ned Stark, Robb Stark, Lysa Arryn, Joffrey, Tywin, Khal Drogo, Balon Greyjoy, Rodrik Cassel, Ygritte, Jeor Mormont, Craster. Only one of them was a POV and the focus has never been on any of those characters in any big way except for Ned/Robert. Joffrey had a huge role to play obviously, but it was clear he would never make it very far. Although Martin will kill characters without reticence, all of the dead characters were pretty much set in their ways (Robb being an exception). Daenerys, Jon, Tyrion, Jaime, Cersei, etc. all go through major changes to their dispositions AND are POV. | ||
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
On March 25 2012 12:56 happyness wrote: The interview that was posted a couple pages back Martin explicitly says "i don't like it when dead characters come back to life" so I'm thinking it's more likely that Jon is dead. We don't know that he's dead though. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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Jaime
United States213 Posts
On March 25 2012 12:56 happyness wrote: The interview that was posted a couple pages back Martin explicitly says "i don't like it when dead characters come back to life" so I'm thinking it's more likely that Jon is dead. For someone who claims he doesn't like it he does it an awful lot. Let's start with the ones who seem to be dead at the end of one of their POVs like Jon, there's Ned in the throne room as Littlefinger puts a knife to his throat, Arya on the bridge to the Twins where, "His(the Hound) axe took her in the back of the head." The Hound himself is left for dead, but shows up again, I guess it's you could argue that the Hound did die and only Sandor Clegane is alive. Then there's Bran and Rickon who we are told are dead but aren't and of course the two worse, Beric and Catelyn. | ||
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
On March 25 2012 13:39 Jaime wrote: For someone who claims he doesn't like it he does it an awful lot. Let's start with the ones who seem to be dead at the end of one of their POVs like Jon, there's Ned in the throne room as Littlefinger puts a knife to his throat, Arya on the bridge to the Twins where, "His(the Hound) axe took her in the back of the head." The Hound himself is left for dead, but shows up again, I guess it's you could argue that the Hound did die and only Sandor Clegane is alive. Then there's Bran and Rickon who we are told are dead but aren't and of course the two worse, Beric and Catelyn. Beric and Catelyn are the only ones who are really legit complaints tho and they did die but he just brought them back from the dead (the lameness of which can be debated)....for all the rest it was obvious they weren't actually dead -_-. Same with Davos when they mentioned him dead in book 4 or Tyrion "drowning" in book 5. Every time someone's actually died he's made it blatantly obvious. The rest is just to create suspense for future chapters. Bran and Rickon are the only ones who actually made me think for a minute but I was still like 80/20 on them being alive...the rest of the "fake" deaths I was 100% sure the characters were still alive. | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
quite an interesting discussion going on about what will happen with Jon Snow here http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/61110-who-will-save-jon-snow/ I agree he will almost certainly warg into Ghost, then probably eventually return to his body after its resurrected by say Melisandre or something. I hope Bran will be involved.. he will show him how to warg back to his own body or something... Bran save your brother! | ||
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
Although I dont want Jon to be dead, I also really don't want another lame brought-back-to-life thing. It was cool with Berric, and sort of cool with Cat (it made me go WHOAWTF, at least), but... I dunno. -.- I guess I'll be happy either way. | ||
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scarper65
1560 Posts
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Maginor
Norway505 Posts
On March 25 2012 04:53 Jaime wrote: I don't think so, Rhaegar slept with Lyanna, possibly married, in order to produce the PwwP. Now to be fair this is my opinion, including the fact that Rhaegar and Lyanna are Jon's parents, but I'm pretty sure I'm right. Especially given the fact that Aegon got his head smashed in and the current "Aegon" is likely a fake. Well in the scene in the House of the Undying he calls the baby Aegon. Why would he call his second son for Aegon when he already had a son named Aegon? Rhaegar also never got to meet Jon, so unless the scene is metaphoric, it is not about Jon. What Rhaegar says is that the dragon needs three heads. I interpret that as implying that Rhaegar produced Jon as the third head to the dragon to support Aegon. If Rhaegar already had three children when that scene happened, I think he would have worded homself differently. He had to kidnap Lyanna because Elia was too weak to produce another child. There are a few options: - The Aegon from aDwD is real one. I agree that this is unlikely. - Some theorize that baby Aegon was swapped with baby Jon, and so Jon is the real Aegon. I don't think this is very likely either though. - Rhaegar was wrong about Aegon being the PwwP. We have seen many people in the series being wrong about prophecies. Aemon thinks Dany is the PwwP ('prince' is a sexless word in Valyrian). - Aegon was the PwwP, but since some idiot smashed his head in, the world has to do without its promised saviour. I think this is the most interesting solution. Then there is the whole Azor Ahai thing and whether or not Azor Ahai has to be the same person as the PwwP, but that is a different discussion. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
Craster's Keep looks pretty much perfect. Good to see Dolorous Ed, Qhorin Halfhand and a better look at some of the locations. The table at Dragonstone, Hot Pie, Balon and Asha/Yara. These 2 videos definitely have the most S2 content released so far. My only concerns so far is that none of the Tully's have been cast, so I wonder who will be married at the Red Wedding? Sure they could be cast next season, but you certainly lose some of the impact if you both introduce and remove them in one season. I guess they have a small part when Jaime sieges Riverrun, but so far there has been no Riverrun in the show. Likewise with no Reek having been cast it will be interesting to see what they do with Theon's taking of Winterfell since killing Bran and Rickon was Reek's idea, and he was the one who "saved" Theon when Winterfell was under siege. The Reed's I'm guessing may be added next season, though there is speculation that Osha will take their place. Still we don't know what role she may have with Rickon in future books, and she was running south from the Others, not likely to encourage them to flee Winterfell back that way. | ||
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Maginor
Norway505 Posts
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Leth0
856 Posts
On March 25 2012 13:39 Jaime wrote: For someone who claims he doesn't like it he does it an awful lot. Let's start with the ones who seem to be dead at the end of one of their POVs like Jon, there's Ned in the throne room as Littlefinger puts a knife to his throat, Arya on the bridge to the Twins where, "His(the Hound) axe took her in the back of the head." The Hound himself is left for dead, but shows up again, I guess it's you could argue that the Hound did die and only Sandor Clegane is alive. Then there's Bran and Rickon who we are told are dead but aren't and of course the two worse, Beric and Catelyn. We were never told that bran and rickon were dead, it was cleverly written so as to make the reader believe they were, but the truth was there the whole time in the way Theon talks about what happened. | ||
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:31 karazax wrote: These 2 new videos are the most comprehensive previews released so far: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flIHsZvC1SU&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww6rFGkU_44&feature=player_embedded Craster's Keep looks pretty much perfect. Good to see Dolorous Ed, Qhorin Halfhand and a better look at some of the locations. The table at Dragonstone, Hot Pie, Balon and Asha/Yara. These 2 videos definitely have the most S2 content released so far. My only concerns so far is that none of the Tully's have been cast, so I wonder who will be married at the Red Wedding? Sure they could be cast next season, but you certainly lose some of the impact if you both introduce and kill them in one season. Likewise with no Reek having been cast it will be interesting to see what they do with Theon's taking of Winterfell since killing Bran and Rickon was Reek's idea, and he was the one who "saved" Theon when Winterfell was under siege. The Reed's I'm guessing may be added next season, though there is speculation that Osha will take their place. Still we don't know what role she may have with Rickon in future books, and she was running south from the Others, not likely to encourage them to flee Winterfell back that way. No Reek??? Theres gotta be a Reek. Ramsay's the most evil bastard in the whole series and thats saying a lot. Would be a huge shame if they left him out this season. Only thing thats really dissapointed me so far  | ||
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