EPTOn May 02 2016 23:11 Eshra wrote:
They were sent for. So not that much of a coincidence.
They were sent for. So not that much of a coincidence.
Yeah, this wasn't a coincidence / a surprise at all.
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
Yeah, this wasn't a coincidence / a surprise at all. | ||
Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On May 02 2016 11:09 Cricketer12 wrote: The two biggest things were that A) it seems clear that Jon WAS in ghost for a time. But that doesn't have any lead up or any indication that it was anything beyond a nod at Winds. what? how was that clear? | ||
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DickMcFanny
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Cricketer12
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If you will notice ghost was awake, but as the ritual came to a close he fell asleep. He almost looked dead until he woke up, which in turn woke up Jon. The ritual was probably to pull Jon iut of ghost unbeknowst to Mel. Maybe I am pulling too much from the books here but that's what it looked like to me. Hopefully they explain that next episode. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On May 03 2016 01:54 Cricketer12 wrote: If you will notice ghost was awake, but as the ritual came to a close he fell asleep. He almost looked dead until he woke up, which in turn woke up Jon. The ritual was probably to pull Jon iut of ghost unbeknowst to Mel. Maybe I am pulling too much from the books here but that's what it looked like to me. Hopefully they explain that next episode. That's not how I took it at all. It just seemed that Ghost was sleeping until he "sensed" Jon's return. | ||
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Topin
Peru10115 Posts
On May 03 2016 02:51 Requizen wrote: That's not how I took it at all. It just seemed that Ghost was sleeping until he "sensed" Jon's return. this was how i saw it too... but what i would like to see later is that Jon "somehow" knows everything that happened afters his death cause he warged on ghost | ||
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Gosi
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Also why the fuck is Max von Sydow playing The Three eyed crow by looking like his usual self when that character has a pretty cool look with him being like half man half tree at this point with long silver hair, blind in one eye etc. At least when Bran first arrived in the show they had some old dude with long hair and beard being infested into some branches but now it's like they just casted a big name for the hell of it and then have him look as he usually does to let us know they have said big name. Cheap and disappointing! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 03 2016 03:02 Sent. wrote: I want to believe in whatever theory that assumes Jon's ressurection wasn't caused by Melissandre The thing, in the books, the ressurection process is a total non-event. No flashing lights or boiling blood. Just bring the person back and then go have a beer. I want the scene after where John drinks four gallons of water straight. God he must be so dehydrated. | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
On May 03 2016 02:51 Requizen wrote: That's not how I took it at all. It just seemed that Ghost was sleeping until he "sensed" Jon's return. That's how I took it as well. | ||
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Croatia7457 Posts
On May 02 2016 14:14 Spaylz wrote: And lastly, I am actually pissed about Ramsay killing Roose. I seriously don't know if it will happen in the books, but I suspect it will. It seems like a necessary component to the Boltons' downfall. Without Roose, everything will start to collapse. Ramsay will be all brute force and sadism, and it won't take long until the whole North gets in line to stab him. That's all the books anyway, in the show it looks like they're taking a different route. Either way, the way Roose went out was so... un-Roosey. Roose Bolton is an extremely cautious man, and he never ever actually trusted Ramsay. He'd never open himself up for such an attack. But I'm mostly rambling, I guess. I think it's 50/50 that Ramsay will kill Roose in the books; I would just see it happen in different circumstances. My guess is he will poison him in the book and then claim their enemies did it (I bet that line in the show was for that reason). Also what Roose told him before Ramsey stabbed him will be what happens to Ramsey eventually for sure. | ||
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sung_moon
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On May 03 2016 00:17 DickMcFanny wrote: Yeah, this wasn't a coincidence / a surprise at all. oh, true, it didn't fit as many criteria of that trope as the Brienne rescue did I guess. Still though, the way it was set up, where a very scary situation is established which is then drained of all tension due to the arrival of a third party, was unnecessarily cliched. Its part of a precedent of how the show answers the question "what happens to character X when it looks like theyre about to die". Most shows would typically answer that with "they get bailed out somehow, often by a third party or by some convoluted maneuvre", whereas GoT got famous for actually answering "they just die and the story moves on without them" (goes for both book and show obviously) quite often. So whenever they put a character in that tense situation ("imminent grave danger/death") it feels lame to take the standard way out. Instead of telling us, "here Davos is in grave danger, he will be killed in about 20 seconds - but then the Wildlings arrive just in the nick of time!", they could tell us "before eveningfall, the wildlings reached castle black and took it from Thorne and his men": its the "nick of time" part that dissolves the tension and can actually ruin the immersion of the story a bit by making us feel as if this character "can't" die. An upcoming example will probably be the "drogon rescues dany" scene. It would be typical if they staged it so that Drogon arrived exactly as something particularly brutal/humiliating were to happen to Dany, which screws with suspension of disbelief in the same way. They did this in the pitfight scene, if I'm not mistaken, and it came across pretty lame. Brienne saving Sansa is an even worse example. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
At some point the misery theater has to end. The story is about the ravages of war and its toll on people, both high and low, but the war ends at some point. | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On May 03 2016 04:47 Plansix wrote: The problem is “they die and the story moves on” doesn’t work anymore. They did that for to long and it has become a trope of the show. Killing off main characters was shocking right up to and even after red wedding, but at some point the audience is used to it. Its not shocking or even memorable. Watching Ayra or Sansa die accomplishing nothing will make them question why they are even watching the show any more. At some point the misery theater has to end. The story is about the ravages of war and its toll on people, both high and low, but the war ends at some point. oh yeah, I don't think it would be appropriate to kill Davos, or Dany, or anything. The main character deaths so far were well executed, hitting characters that weren't really central to the end of the story anyway. Jon is an example of someone it would be really clumsy to kill off. Doran is another example, both of them because there's no closure or cohesion in their stories if they just die randomly. The idea is just to avoid creating really high tension in a scene which is then dissolved really quickly by the rescue. Maybe they've gotten used to doing this in the show as kind of a "will we?" nod to the viewer, because they have done so many times. You can have X 3rd party save Y without it seeming cheap and immersion-breaking | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
And my god, if Brienne did not rescue one of the Stark kids, I would have been grumpy. And there is the added perk that Sansa now has the knight/protector, which she wanted in season one, but for very different reasons. | ||
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craz3d
Bulgaria856 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
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On May 03 2016 05:24 craz3d wrote: So... everything's getting set up for revealing that John Snow is the son of Lyanna Stark? Why else would they resurrect him and have flashback scenes introducing her as a character? Or maybe they're fucking with us. Nah R+L=J is true 100% (ok 99.9%) :D | ||
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