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SK.Testie
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Sent.
Poland9275 Posts
On June 06 2015 04:37 dbizzle wrote: They had a funeral for barristan after he was attacked.. Obviously I meant the episode before his funeral. It wasn't certain if Grey worm saved him in the last second or not | ||
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Hyperbola
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dudeman001
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RenSC2
United States1079 Posts
On June 06 2015 06:05 dudeman001 wrote: The epic zombie battle distracted me from the fact that Tormund beat the shit out of Rattleshirt when they got to Hardhome. I never heard it was confirmed that Mance was dead, so I was still hoping for a surprise Mance Rayder return. Now that they brought his glamour charm subject like that, I guess there's no point holding out Haha, I loved that scene for the big beat down it gives to the book readers. Book readers are all like, "Mance is still alive as Rattleshirt" and D&D say, "here's what we think of that theory" SMACK SMACK SMACK. Brutal beat down. It's rare, but sometimes I do appreciate D&D's take on the material. Same with Sam accidentally telling Olly that it's okay to kill Jon. | ||
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marttorn
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
On June 06 2015 10:31 marttorn wrote: I'd really like to see Sansa do something interesting on her own before the season is over. I'm trying to think of a way she could pull of something in the process of Stannis invading - if we're lucky, I guess, maybe she kills Roose or Ramsay? Although it seems more likely Ramsay's gonna die with his 20 good dudes, raiding Stannis. My dream is that she kills Littlefinger one day and takes his position as an important player, but there isn't that much development of her character (in the show) in the direction of clever thinking and manipulation. There was the thing she did to cover for Littlefinger at the end of S4, but that was about it. At this point in the DnD version, it appears Sansa has to do for herself some portion of what Mance and those spearwives or even Lord Manderly accomplished. That should be worth something. Hardhome subdued my pessimism towards the spin-off enough that I'm a bit hyped for this week. It seems that it will have one of the main points I had been wanting to see translated to a screen. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/e/e3/Drogon_in_Daznak%27s_Pit.jpg) It may also have Jon Snow's not-death. Most likely if they decided against trolling the unsullied by leaving that in the air between seasons by revealing his revival right away in e10. That event is the weird one to watch out for. They have cut the notion that any of Rickard's grandchildren other than Bran are skinchangers, let alone introduced the ideas false death vs. true death for a skinchanger. They also sent Mel off with Stannis. There go the apparent methods of Jon's preservation and/or reconstitution. Maybe his eyes are going blue afterall, because that is the only known potential rez around right now in the show. | ||
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RenSC2
United States1079 Posts
On June 06 2015 11:41 Irrelevant Label wrote: At this point in the DnD version, it appears Sansa has to do for herself some portion of what Mance and those spearwives or even Lord Manderly accomplished. That should be worth something. Won't Brienne and Pod replace Mance and the spearwives? I wouldn't put it completely past DnD to have Brienne's journey be a complete waste... it kind of was in the books too, but in a very different way. It just seems very odd to have this character in the TV show sit and do absolutely nothing when she's so close to Sansa. Of course, if Brienne takes Sansa north to the wall, she'll probably run into Stannis and either kill him or get herself killed. | ||
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Dismay
United States1180 Posts
On June 06 2015 11:41 Irrelevant Label wrote: At this point in the DnD version, it appears Sansa has to do for herself some portion of what Mance and those spearwives or even Lord Manderly accomplished. That should be worth something. Hardhome subdued my pessimism towards the spin-off enough that I'm a bit hyped for this week. It seems that it will have one of the main points I had been wanting to see translated to a screen. + Show Spoiler + It may also have Jon Snow's not-death. Most likely if they decided against trolling the unsullied by leaving that in the air between seasons by revealing his revival right away in e10. That event is the weird one to watch out for. They have cut the notion that any of Rickard's grandchildren other than Bran are skinchangers, let alone introduced the ideas false death vs. true death for a skinchanger. They also sent Mel off with Stannis. There go the apparent methods of Jon's preservation and/or reconstitution. Maybe his eyes are going blue afterall, because that is the only known potential rez around right now in the show. You saw who was staring at Jon during Hardhome. His eyes never went away, he knows what's up. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On June 06 2015 11:41 Irrelevant Label wrote: At this point in the DnD version, it appears Sansa has to do for herself some portion of what Mance and those spearwives or even Lord Manderly accomplished. That should be worth something. Hardhome subdued my pessimism towards the spin-off enough that I'm a bit hyped for this week. It seems that it will have one of the main points I had been wanting to see translated to a screen. + Show Spoiler + It may also have Jon Snow's not-death. Most likely if they decided against trolling the unsullied by leaving that in the air between seasons by revealing his revival right away in e10. That event is the weird one to watch out for. They have cut the notion that any of Rickard's grandchildren other than Bran are skinchangers, let alone introduced the ideas false death vs. true death for a skinchanger. They also sent Mel off with Stannis. There go the apparent methods of Jon's preservation and/or reconstitution. Maybe his eyes are going blue afterall, because that is the only known potential rez around right now in the show. didnt they have the wildling skinchanger saying some shit about Jon? And i think i kinda remember someone saying the mark of the beast is on him, but this might be just me mixing things up | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [tinfoil] + We all know that if D&D stay true to the book, the pink letter should be on its way to Jon fairly soon. One of the big outstanding mysteries is who wrote the pink letter since the evidence from the book seems to implicate Mance Rayder as opposed to Ramsay as the author of the letter. Mance seems to be certainly dead by now, unless Tormance is real which seems highly unlikely. Here's what I think is going to happen, Stannis is going to write the pink letter to Jon in the show. Let me explain how we get to this point. People found a frame of Stannis' camp on fire in the S5E09 trailer which suggests that Ramsay and his 20 good men successfully cause some degree of havoc in Stannis' camp. Whether or not Ramsay escapes afterwards or not isn't important to the prediction, but it's likely that he will escape with the knowledge of the state of Stannis' camp ready to report to Roose. If Ramsay is captured by Stannis then Ramsay can lie about the number of Bolton defenders and make Stannis concerned for his upcoming attack on Winterfel. In either case, Stannis is gravely concerned that he won't be able to win the upcoming battle for Winterfel. Mel insists on sacrificing Shireen as the solution, but Stannis can't bring himself to do it despite the dire circumstances that he is in. Stannis knows Jon is going to be coming back from Hardhome with wildlings to supplement the watch and figures that if he can get support from Jon he'll have the numbers necessary to break Winterfel. The catch is that Stannis knows Jon won't leave the wall for the promise of power or even Winterfel, he's already tried that and failed. So he gambles that Jon will respond to one of his siblings being in immanent danger so that Jon's acts on his hearts desires, rather than his head. This idea might plausibly be suggested by Davos, but again that's not important. Stannis writes the pink letter to Jon as he thinks the "Ramsay Bolton" taunt is more likely to spur him into action than Stannis pleading for his services. It seems pretty likely to me that this is how the letter will come about. Assuming this holds true, there's some interesting tinfoily predictions that can be made from here. In particular, we know how Jon will react and we know that 'for the watch' will likely happen. Stannis won't get the support he wanted and that leaves some difficult decision making. My guess is that he decides to sacrifice Shireen (or somehow that comes about) and Mel will ask for something vague like "azor ahai to win the battle of winterfel" or something and Stannis will go into battle off the back of that blessing. Stannis will lose, since the magic happens to Jon instead. This is one way we can get the expected ending to the season, but I'm not as attached to this as the first part  | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On June 06 2015 16:30 Plexa wrote: Alright, I'm going to make a prediction regarding Stannis in the next two episodes. + Show Spoiler [tinfoil] + We all know that if D&D stay true to the book, the pink letter should be on its way to Jon fairly soon. One of the big outstanding mysteries is who wrote the pink letter since the evidence from the book seems to implicate Mance Rayder as opposed to Ramsay as the author of the letter. Mance seems to be certainly dead by now, unless Tormance is real which seems highly unlikely. Here's what I think is going to happen, Stannis is going to write the pink letter to Jon in the show. Let me explain how we get to this point. People found a frame of Stannis' camp on fire in the S5E09 trailer which suggests that Ramsay and his 20 good men successfully cause some degree of havoc in Stannis' camp. Whether or not Ramsay escapes afterwards or not isn't important to the prediction, but it's likely that he will escape with the knowledge of the state of Stannis' camp ready to report to Roose. If Ramsay is captured by Stannis then Ramsay can lie about the number of Bolton defenders and make Stannis concerned for his upcoming attack on Winterfel. In either case, Stannis is gravely concerned that he won't be able to win the upcoming battle for Winterfel. Mel insists on sacrificing Shireen as the solution, but Stannis can't bring himself to do it despite the dire circumstances that he is in. Stannis knows Jon is going to be coming back from Hardhome with wildlings to supplement the watch and figures that if he can get support from Jon he'll have the numbers necessary to break Winterfel. The catch is that Stannis knows Jon won't leave the wall for the promise of power or even Winterfel, he's already tried that and failed. So he gambles that Jon will respond to one of his siblings being in immanent danger so that Jon's acts on his hearts desires, rather than his head. This idea might plausibly be suggested by Davos, but again that's not important. Stannis writes the pink letter to Jon as he thinks the "Ramsay Bolton" taunt is more likely to spur him into action than Stannis pleading for his services. It seems pretty likely to me that this is how the letter will come about. Assuming this holds true, there's some interesting tinfoily predictions that can be made from here. In particular, we know how Jon will react and we know that 'for the watch' will likely happen. Stannis won't get the support he wanted and that leaves some difficult decision making. My guess is that he decides to sacrifice Shireen (or somehow that comes about) and Mel will ask for something vague like "azor ahai to win the battle of winterfel" or something and Stannis will go into battle off the back of that blessing. Stannis will lose, since the magic happens to Jon instead. This is one way we can get the expected ending to the season, but I'm not as attached to this as the first part Curious, what makes you think the Pink Letter was not written by Ramsay? I never got this impression. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 06 2015 18:00 Spaylz wrote: While not always reliable, Preston's video on the topic I feel does a good job arguing for it. Curious, what makes you think the Pink Letter was not written by Ramsay? I never got this impression. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
I don't know. Some of the points seem valid, like the focus on the wildlings. Others not so much. Brothers of the Night's Watch are referred to as "crows" by more than just wildlings. Yoren was referred to as a wandering crow more than once. I don't know. I'll admit I am slightly more skeptical, but I still think Ramsay wrote it. The argument about the wax is just silly. Winterfell was sealing letters with white wax because it was the seat of House Stark. It is no longer the case. Winterfell is now the seat of House Bolton, so it's not odd that he would seal the letter with pink wax. edit: Not to mention that Mance is not a "true" wildling, and alledgedly climbs the Wall to go into the Seven Kingdoms on a regular basis. He would know how to write like a Westerosi, and not like a wildling. | ||
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StarStruck
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On June 06 2015 05:28 Sent. wrote: Obviously I meant the episode before his funeral. It wasn't certain if Grey worm saved him in the last second or not Worm saved him from dying a dishonorable death for a knight. | ||
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Sholip
Hungary422 Posts
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/episodes?season=5 From that, you can kinda guess what is going to happen in which episode (at least those events which are known from the books). On June 06 2015 16:30 Plexa wrote: Alright, I'm going to make a prediction regarding Stannis in the next two episodes. + Show Spoiler [tinfoil] + We all know that if D&D stay true to the book, the pink letter should be on its way to Jon fairly soon. One of the big outstanding mysteries is who wrote the pink letter since the evidence from the book seems to implicate Mance Rayder as opposed to Ramsay as the author of the letter. Mance seems to be certainly dead by now, unless Tormance is real which seems highly unlikely. Here's what I think is going to happen, Stannis is going to write the pink letter to Jon in the show. Let me explain how we get to this point. People found a frame of Stannis' camp on fire in the S5E09 trailer which suggests that Ramsay and his 20 good men successfully cause some degree of havoc in Stannis' camp. Whether or not Ramsay escapes afterwards or not isn't important to the prediction, but it's likely that he will escape with the knowledge of the state of Stannis' camp ready to report to Roose. If Ramsay is captured by Stannis then Ramsay can lie about the number of Bolton defenders and make Stannis concerned for his upcoming attack on Winterfel. In either case, Stannis is gravely concerned that he won't be able to win the upcoming battle for Winterfel. Mel insists on sacrificing Shireen as the solution, but Stannis can't bring himself to do it despite the dire circumstances that he is in. Stannis knows Jon is going to be coming back from Hardhome with wildlings to supplement the watch and figures that if he can get support from Jon he'll have the numbers necessary to break Winterfel. The catch is that Stannis knows Jon won't leave the wall for the promise of power or even Winterfel, he's already tried that and failed. So he gambles that Jon will respond to one of his siblings being in immanent danger so that Jon's acts on his hearts desires, rather than his head. This idea might plausibly be suggested by Davos, but again that's not important. Stannis writes the pink letter to Jon as he thinks the "Ramsay Bolton" taunt is more likely to spur him into action than Stannis pleading for his services. It seems pretty likely to me that this is how the letter will come about. Assuming this holds true, there's some interesting tinfoily predictions that can be made from here. In particular, we know how Jon will react and we know that 'for the watch' will likely happen. Stannis won't get the support he wanted and that leaves some difficult decision making. My guess is that he decides to sacrifice Shireen (or somehow that comes about) and Mel will ask for something vague like "azor ahai to win the battle of winterfel" or something and Stannis will go into battle off the back of that blessing. Stannis will lose, since the magic happens to Jon instead. This is one way we can get the expected ending to the season, but I'm not as attached to this as the first part Wow, this actually makes a lot of sense. I'm not sure if all these things will happen like this, but all the arguments seem totally logical and possible. I wouldn't be surprised if exactly these things were to happen as you wrote. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On June 06 2015 18:31 Spaylz wrote: Ehhh... I don't know. Some of the points seem valid, like the focus on the wildlings. Others not so much. Brothers of the Night's Watch are referred to as "crows" by more than just wildlings. Yoren was referred to as a wandering crow more than once. I don't know. I'll admit I am slightly more skeptical, but I still think Ramsay wrote it. The argument about the wax is just silly. Winterfell was sealing letters with white wax because it was the seat of House Stark. It is no longer the case. Winterfell is now the seat of House Bolton, so it's not odd that he would seal the letter with pink wax. edit: Not to mention that Mance is not a "true" wildling, and alledgedly climbs the Wall to go into the Seven Kingdoms on a regular basis. He would know how to write like a Westerosi, and not like a wildling. The biggest problem with Preston is that he undermines his good arguments with adding shitty ones. I'm semi-convinced also, that Mance wrote the pink letter, but yeah, some of Prteston's arguments are hard fits | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12387 Posts
TWOW + Show Spoiler + Theon to Stannis in twow: "Frey and Manderly will never combine their strengths. They will come for you, but separately. Lord Ramsay will not be far behind them. He wants his bride back. He wants his Reek." The pink letter "I want my bride back And I want my Reek." | ||
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Plexa
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