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On May 03 2014 03:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2014 03:38 Redox wrote:On May 03 2014 03:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:On May 03 2014 03:15 chillpenguin wrote:On May 03 2014 03:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Benjen being Coldhands is one of the most stupid theories which are out there tbh.
Not as stupid as Benjen being Daario. Benjen being Coldhands would make perfect sense if it wasn't for one sentence said by Leaf. What do you mean with "perfect sense" What exactly makes sense there? It is ONLY a wish of many that Benjen is still part of the story, nothing more. Coldhands is from the Nightswatch, Benjen disappeared without a trace while his comrades were turned into wights. With other characters as big as Benjen we learn what happened to them. So from that alone the theory makes some sense. Again, why do you think it is so stupid? Bran doesn't even think it could be him, i mean he knows him right. Coldhands has knowledge that benjen couldn't really have. Coldhands died a long time ago (a cotf says this), Benjen disappeared maybe 3 years ago... Maybe Benjen is still alive and we will see him again (even though i am no fan of that either), but if he is really Coldhands i will be very disappointed by GRRM.
he said it could make perfect sense without what we know from Leaf.
and sure, Bran doesn't think coldhands would be Benjen, but does he even know that Benjen disappeared?
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On May 03 2014 04:23 Yhamm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2014 03:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:On May 03 2014 03:38 Redox wrote:On May 03 2014 03:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:On May 03 2014 03:15 chillpenguin wrote:On May 03 2014 03:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Benjen being Coldhands is one of the most stupid theories which are out there tbh.
Not as stupid as Benjen being Daario. Benjen being Coldhands would make perfect sense if it wasn't for one sentence said by Leaf. What do you mean with "perfect sense" What exactly makes sense there? It is ONLY a wish of many that Benjen is still part of the story, nothing more. Coldhands is from the Nightswatch, Benjen disappeared without a trace while his comrades were turned into wights. With other characters as big as Benjen we learn what happened to them. So from that alone the theory makes some sense. Again, why do you think it is so stupid? Bran doesn't even think it could be him, i mean he knows him right. Coldhands has knowledge that benjen couldn't really have. Coldhands died a long time ago (a cotf says this), Benjen disappeared maybe 3 years ago... Maybe Benjen is still alive and we will see him again (even though i am no fan of that either), but if he is really Coldhands i will be very disappointed by GRRM. he said it could make perfect sense without what we know from Leaf. and sure, Bran doesn't think coldhands would be Benjen, but does he even know that Benjen disappeared?
He does know he disappeared, when Tyrion and Yoren come back from the wall through Winterfell.
Yoren actually says something like "He's probably dead", Robb freaks out and is all like "HES NOT DEAD!", Yoren shrugs like, "yeah ok whatever". Bran had just been told some stories from Old Nan, and blurts out "The children of the forest will save him!", Maester Luwin as usual is like "all the children of the forest are dead" and Yoren says "Down here, might be that's true, Maester, but up past the Wall, who's to say? Up there, a man can't always tell what's alive and what's dead."
I like to think this was a clue that Benjen is Coldhands. The things against that theory of course are Leaf saying Cold Hands died a long time ago, and I guess Bran might be able to recognize Benjen's voice?
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ok, I forgot about this part 
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I can't remember exactly, but aren't the current TV episodes close to covering the end of the 5th book already?
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Looks like the current set of events are pretty close.
-Tyrion killing Tywin etc.
-Revelation of Varys' little spiders.
I guess the sequence of events is different from the book. But it doesn't seem like there are any important "arcs" left.My memory may not be the best though.
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On May 03 2014 09:24 LaiShin wrote:I can't remember exactly, but aren't the current TV episodes close to covering the end of the 5th book already? + Show Spoiler +
Looks like the current set of events are pretty close.
-Tyrion killing Tywin etc.
-Revelation of Varys' little spiders.
I guess the sequence of events is different from the book. But it doesn't seem like there are any important "arcs" left.My memory may not be the best though.
Tyrion kills Tywin in the end of the third book.
There is still a lot of ground to cover, at least one more season. Depends on how much they show.
For Tyrion specifically, his travel east, (F)Aegon, reaching Dany. There's the whole Victarion arc, there's the Dorne arc, both in Dorne and with Quentyn, etc.
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The strongest points of evidence we have say that Coldhands has been Coldhands since long before Benjen went missing.
On the Nan thing, I think this currently top response summed it up: "Hurry up GRRM, we've got Blackfyre[sic] wetnurses in Winterfell now!"
That leads to an idea that should be the topic of a bet. What will be the most crazy Blackfyre (or Greatbastard)/secret Targ/secret skinchanger theory to show up before WoW? It has to have some degree of plausibility to qualify I think, probably at least about on par with that old Nan one.
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On May 03 2014 09:24 LaiShin wrote:I can't remember exactly, but aren't the current TV episodes close to covering the end of the 5th book already? + Show Spoiler +
Looks like the current set of events are pretty close.
-Tyrion killing Tywin etc.
-Revelation of Varys' little spiders.
I guess the sequence of events is different from the book. But it doesn't seem like there are any important "arcs" left.My memory may not be the best though.
8 "The Mountain and the Viper"
9 "The Watchers on the Wall"
10 "The Children"
So it is either 9 or 10. Probably 10.
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On May 03 2014 09:35 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2014 09:24 LaiShin wrote:I can't remember exactly, but aren't the current TV episodes close to covering the end of the 5th book already? + Show Spoiler +
Looks like the current set of events are pretty close.
-Tyrion killing Tywin etc.
-Revelation of Varys' little spiders.
I guess the sequence of events is different from the book. But it doesn't seem like there are any important "arcs" left.My memory may not be the best though. Tyrion kills Tywin in the end of the third book. There is still a lot of ground to cover, at least one more season. Depends on how much they show. For Tyrion specifically, his travel east, (F)Aegon, reaching Dany. There's the whole Victarion arc, there's the Dorne arc, both in Dorne and with Quentyn, etc.
Thanks. Completely forgot about those arcs.
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On May 03 2014 10:44 LaiShin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2014 09:35 SKC wrote:On May 03 2014 09:24 LaiShin wrote:I can't remember exactly, but aren't the current TV episodes close to covering the end of the 5th book already? + Show Spoiler +
Looks like the current set of events are pretty close.
-Tyrion killing Tywin etc.
-Revelation of Varys' little spiders.
I guess the sequence of events is different from the book. But it doesn't seem like there are any important "arcs" left.My memory may not be the best though. Tyrion kills Tywin in the end of the third book. There is still a lot of ground to cover, at least one more season. Depends on how much they show. For Tyrion specifically, his travel east, (F)Aegon, reaching Dany. There's the whole Victarion arc, there's the Dorne arc, both in Dorne and with Quentyn, etc. Thanks. Completely forgot about those arcs.
For good reason. :D
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When Dany receives Quentyn's group, and he offer's his hand in marriage, is he offering it in place of the offer for her brother? I mean, when they marry, he is offering Dorne's allegiance to help Dany become king, and not for her assistance for Quentyn's seat for the throne?
If that's the case, I can somewhat understand why she declines such a ridiculously good offer, but if Quentyn says they will help Dany sit the throne and he'll stand aside, even more reason why I hated her in ADwD. That and the chapter where she constantly insulted Eddard, despite Barristan's insistence.
I honestly forgot.
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On May 03 2014 11:01 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2014 10:44 LaiShin wrote:On May 03 2014 09:35 SKC wrote:On May 03 2014 09:24 LaiShin wrote:I can't remember exactly, but aren't the current TV episodes close to covering the end of the 5th book already? + Show Spoiler +
Looks like the current set of events are pretty close.
-Tyrion killing Tywin etc.
-Revelation of Varys' little spiders.
I guess the sequence of events is different from the book. But it doesn't seem like there are any important "arcs" left.My memory may not be the best though. Tyrion kills Tywin in the end of the third book. There is still a lot of ground to cover, at least one more season. Depends on how much they show. For Tyrion specifically, his travel east, (F)Aegon, reaching Dany. There's the whole Victarion arc, there's the Dorne arc, both in Dorne and with Quentyn, etc. Thanks. Completely forgot about those arcs. For good reason. :D
Haha true dat. Those arcs were painful.
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The show watchers in the other thread seem to ignore oberyn's behavior, who asked for a fight with the mountain, of all things he could possibly ask.
They have no idea what's coming, huehuehue.
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If someone spoiled it it was HBO. Can't blame someone for talking about a official video.
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looks like someone on HBO got slippy with info, might be we weren't supposed to know it was the nights king at the end of E4, now they might have spoiled that. Nice preview for next episode tho, looking forward to it!
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I don't think it was the "nights king" of old, more the "king of the night". The show meant it as the leader of the others (King of the Night) rather then the old tale the book readers know.
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yeah i think so too, makes imo more sense that way
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On May 03 2014 11:36 sung_moon wrote:
When Dany receives Quentyn's group, and he offer's his hand in marriage, is he offering it in place of the offer for her brother? I mean, when they marry, he is offering Dorne's allegiance to help Dany become king, and not for her assistance for Quentyn's seat for the throne?
If that's the case, I can somewhat understand why she declines such a ridiculously good offer, but if Quentyn says they will help Dany sit the throne and he'll stand aside, even more reason why I hated her in ADwD. That and the chapter where she constantly insulted Eddard, despite Barristan's insistence.
I honestly forgot.
Dany would queen and Quentyn would have been prince consort, he wouldn't be king. Her declining that offer was absolutely horrible if she had any plan to actually take westeros
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Crazy episode. Love the changes with Lysa knowing who Sansa is. It made so little sense in the book.
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