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Zurich15361 Posts
On April 10 2014 16:23 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 01:36 Spaylz wrote:On April 10 2014 01:20 Conti wrote:
Man, all these book readers giving out detailed backstories of major characters in the other thread, pretending it's common knowledge.. Which posts are you referring to? I posted about several characters in the other thread, but I was very careful to only mention details that were shown in the show. Just don't post anything if you've read the books. I honestly don't get how that is so dificult. The warning at the top of the thread is quite clear.
There is this burning desire of people to be right on the Internet. This is the one instance where they know they have the upper hand. It has a powerful draw to the weak minded.
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On April 10 2014 16:23 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 01:36 Spaylz wrote:On April 10 2014 01:20 Conti wrote:
Man, all these book readers giving out detailed backstories of major characters in the other thread, pretending it's common knowledge.. Which posts are you referring to? I posted about several characters in the other thread, but I was very careful to only mention details that were shown in the show. Just don't post anything if you've read the books. I honestly don't get how that is so dificult. The warning at the top of the thread is quite clear.
Uh, what kind of logic is that? It's actually not very hard not to post spoilers, most book-readers are perfectly capable of it.
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On April 10 2014 16:42 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 16:23 Vorenius wrote:On April 10 2014 01:36 Spaylz wrote:On April 10 2014 01:20 Conti wrote:
Man, all these book readers giving out detailed backstories of major characters in the other thread, pretending it's common knowledge.. Which posts are you referring to? I posted about several characters in the other thread, but I was very careful to only mention details that were shown in the show. Just don't post anything if you've read the books. I honestly don't get how that is so dificult. The warning at the top of the thread is quite clear. Uh, what kind of logic is that? It's actually not very hard not to post spoilers, most book-readers are perfectly capable of it.
There is a big ten line warning at the top of every page that begins with "This thread is for viewers who are all caught up with the show AND who have not read the books."
If that isn't you, then the thread isn't for you. >_<
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It's an indication about the content expected on the thread, not about the posters allowed, as proven by the rest of the quote: "If you have, be very careful about what you post."
not really a conversation I thought I'd ever have in my life^^
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Zurich15361 Posts
On April 10 2014 17:07 Nebuchad wrote:
It's an indication about the content expected on the thread, not about the posters allowed, as proven by the rest of the quote: "If you have, be very careful about what you post."
not really a conversation I thought I'd ever have in my life^^
I've had this conversation countless times over the past few years with people who got banned for posting book stuff in the thread. They also maintained they didn't spoil anything. It's simply not possible to post with the book background without giving something away. The simple fact that people realize you have read the books makes your posting look different in their eyes already.
All this confusion can be avoided, and the mods job be made that much more easy by simply not posting in that thread. It's not for you.
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There is also the abominable halfbreed race that reads wikis and watches Youtube histories but hasn't read the books that join every non-book discussion with their summarized insight.
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On April 10 2014 16:56 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 16:42 Nebuchad wrote:On April 10 2014 16:23 Vorenius wrote:On April 10 2014 01:36 Spaylz wrote:On April 10 2014 01:20 Conti wrote:
Man, all these book readers giving out detailed backstories of major characters in the other thread, pretending it's common knowledge.. Which posts are you referring to? I posted about several characters in the other thread, but I was very careful to only mention details that were shown in the show. Just don't post anything if you've read the books. I honestly don't get how that is so dificult. The warning at the top of the thread is quite clear. Uh, what kind of logic is that? It's actually not very hard not to post spoilers, most book-readers are perfectly capable of it. There is a big ten line warning at the top of every page that begins with "This thread is for viewers who are all caught up with the show AND who have not read the books."If that isn't you, then the thread isn't for you. >_<
I dare you to look through my posts in the other thread and find ONE thing that is straight from the book.
Seriously. Every single post I've made, I clearly reference what I am talking about with a show scene/episode/season. There is literally nothing in my posts that give anything away, and when I post, I take extra precautions to make sure there are less than 0 spoilers.
edit: the fact that a post after mine was nuked, and none of mine were, suggests that I didn't spoil anything. However, I don't really mean to put any extra work on the mods. If it's asked, I won't post, but really my posts are crystal clear and 150% based on the show.
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On April 10 2014 22:00 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 16:56 Vorenius wrote:On April 10 2014 16:42 Nebuchad wrote:On April 10 2014 16:23 Vorenius wrote:On April 10 2014 01:36 Spaylz wrote:On April 10 2014 01:20 Conti wrote:
Man, all these book readers giving out detailed backstories of major characters in the other thread, pretending it's common knowledge.. Which posts are you referring to? I posted about several characters in the other thread, but I was very careful to only mention details that were shown in the show. Just don't post anything if you've read the books. I honestly don't get how that is so dificult. The warning at the top of the thread is quite clear. Uh, what kind of logic is that? It's actually not very hard not to post spoilers, most book-readers are perfectly capable of it. There is a big ten line warning at the top of every page that begins with "This thread is for viewers who are all caught up with the show AND who have not read the books."If that isn't you, then the thread isn't for you. >_< I dare you to look through my posts in the other thread and find ONE thing that is straight from the book. Seriously. Every single post I've made, I clearly reference what I am talking about with a show scene/episode/season. There is literally nothing in my posts that give anything away, and when I post, I take extra precautions to make sure there are less than 0 spoilers. edit: the fact that a post after mine was nuked, and none of mine were, suggests that I didn't spoil anything. However, I don't really mean to put any extra work on the mods. If it's asked, I won't post, but really my posts are crystal clear and 150% based on the show.
I'm curious what value you get from posting in that thread. What could possibly be the point of discussing things in that thread with people who are at a natural information disadvantage relative to you? If you're actually interested in having a serious discussion about the content of the show/books that looks to find some "deeper meaning" or discuss a subtle plot development, then do it in here. Otherwise, it really feels like you're just showing off in the other thread. Of course you're going to have better insight into what different plot elements might symbolize if you've read the books, you have hindsight. Half the fun of engaging in a story like this is the process itself, though, and figuring it all out as it happens to you. The book is meant to be experienced in an order, and when you have people who've read the novels dropping commentary on plot developments it (or at least have the knowledge that people who are making comments might have foreknowledge of future events) it definitely lessens the experience.
I don't know, I haven't seen your posts in the other thread, I never visit it. Maybe you aren't talking about characters and your perception of their personalities/actions (which are all inherently shaped by hindsight), or your impression of plot developments (which, again, are all shaped by hindsight and foreknowledge of future events). You can't escape your own subjectivity. If you are posting about those things, your knowledge of the books impacts your postings. And if you have to self-censor yourself so hard to avoid that, I just don't see the point in trying to engage in discussions about plot development, except to "show off".
But iunno. Maybe you just like to discuss the pretty dresses the actresses wear in the show, which might be harmless enough.
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On April 10 2014 22:32 BallinWitStalin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 22:00 Spaylz wrote:On April 10 2014 16:56 Vorenius wrote:On April 10 2014 16:42 Nebuchad wrote:On April 10 2014 16:23 Vorenius wrote:On April 10 2014 01:36 Spaylz wrote:On April 10 2014 01:20 Conti wrote:
Man, all these book readers giving out detailed backstories of major characters in the other thread, pretending it's common knowledge.. Which posts are you referring to? I posted about several characters in the other thread, but I was very careful to only mention details that were shown in the show. Just don't post anything if you've read the books. I honestly don't get how that is so dificult. The warning at the top of the thread is quite clear. Uh, what kind of logic is that? It's actually not very hard not to post spoilers, most book-readers are perfectly capable of it. There is a big ten line warning at the top of every page that begins with "This thread is for viewers who are all caught up with the show AND who have not read the books."If that isn't you, then the thread isn't for you. >_< I dare you to look through my posts in the other thread and find ONE thing that is straight from the book. Seriously. Every single post I've made, I clearly reference what I am talking about with a show scene/episode/season. There is literally nothing in my posts that give anything away, and when I post, I take extra precautions to make sure there are less than 0 spoilers. edit: the fact that a post after mine was nuked, and none of mine were, suggests that I didn't spoil anything. However, I don't really mean to put any extra work on the mods. If it's asked, I won't post, but really my posts are crystal clear and 150% based on the show. I'm curious what value you get from posting in that thread. What could possibly be the point of discussing things in that thread with people who are at a natural information disadvantage relative to you? If you're actually interested in having a serious discussion about the content of the show/books that looks to find some "deeper meaning" or discuss a subtle plot development, then do it in here. Otherwise, it really feels like you're just showing off in the other thread. Of course you're going to have better insight into what different plot elements might symbolize if you've read the books, you have hindsight. Half the fun of engaging in a story like this is the process itself, though, and figuring it all out as it happens to you. The book is meant to be experienced in an order, and when you have people who've read the novels dropping commentary on plot developments it (or at least have the knowledge that people who are making comments might have foreknowledge of future events) it definitely lessens the experience. I don't know, I haven't seen your posts in the other thread, I never visit it. Maybe you aren't talking about characters and your perception of their personalities/actions (which are all inherently shaped by hindsight), or your impression of plot developments (which, again, are all shaped by hindsight and foreknowledge of future events). You can't escape your own subjectivity. If you are posting about those things, your knowledge of the books impacts your postings. And if you have to self-censor yourself so hard to avoid that, I just don't see the point in trying to engage in discussions about plot development, except to "show off". But iunno. Maybe you just like to discuss the pretty dresses the actresses wear in the show, which might be harmless enough.
How can you possibly say all that if you haven't read any of what I've posted..?
The shows are different from the books. Sure, the main story remains the same, and I know the big elements that will happen. It doesn't mean I can't enjoy and speculate about the rest. For instance, at this point in the story, the Hound is supposed to be dead (or thought dead), and Arya on her way to Braavos.
The Purple Wedding should have happened, etc. The show takes a different route in so many ways, and even us book readers can genuinely speculate about what happens, since essentially, everything that happens between Arya and the Hound after this episode is fiction, and made up by the writers.
And even then, it's interesting to talk about different stuff, and see that people who only watch the show (supposedly, at least) come to the same conclusions that book readers reached when they read the books. Or not. It's kind of the point of a forum, isn't it?
Also, just because you know what happens doesn't mean you're always right. A lot of the discussions on the thread are about characters and opinions. Some people like Dany, some people don't. Same for Sansa, Tyrion, and just about any character. I see nothing wrong with speaking about your opinion of a character, so long as you stay true to the show and don't implement stuff from the books. For example, as of now, I dislike Stannis in the show. I love him in the books, and I started liking him after ASOS. However, in the show, we are at that point, and I still don't like him. He is just a different character.
It's time to acknowledge that it's perfectly fine to speak about something with people who don't know as much as you, as long as you're sharing opinions and not stating facts they can't possibly be aware of yet. What you'll find in my posts is mostly opinions about characters, and answering people's questions (someone asked the differences between White Walkers and wight, and someone asked about all the forms of magic). In all cases, it's perfectly possible and doable to answer within the frame of the show, and not diverge. Which is what I have been doing.
Having read the books does not make you all knowing, and it doesn't invalidate any discussion you might wish to have with an Unsullied.
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This thread is less active and we don't really talk about the performance of the actors, quality of the script, etc here. Oh and hype, there's more hype in the other thread.
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On April 10 2014 22:46 c0ldfusion wrote:
This thread is less active and we don't really talk about the performance of the actors, quality of the script, etc here. Oh and hype, there's more hype in the other thread.
Really boils down to this honestly. This thread has mainly existed for preview chapters for GRRM's next book or discussing the really juicy spoilers that don't belong in the other thread. It's much less active and there's very little show discussion outside of "I don't like that they did X in the show instead of Y in the book."
But it doesn't change the fact that the majority of posters probably don't have the self control that Spaylz has, for example the guy who got nuked said something about Tywin spurning Elia as a match for Jaime, which apparently was never covered in the show. Little backstory elements like that can be hard to differentiate, he probably didn't think he wasn't doing anything wrong but that's the sort of thing that can happen with a book-reader, you just assume your knowledge is public knowledge to show watchers as long as you're not "spoiling."
It's pretty much why I limit my discussion in that thread to actors and general show opinions rather than story or characters. Without putting way too much effort into it I can't be sure I won't say something that was never covered in the show.
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You sure it wasn't in one of the HBO videos on the history of GOT?
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No, but I'm assuming mods do their homework on that if the comment is innocuous. It's pretty obvious if someone mentions the purple wedding, but with a comment about Tywin refusing Elia I would assume that some research would be done before a ban.
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Zurich15361 Posts
On April 10 2014 23:38 ZasZ. wrote:
No, but I'm assuming mods do their homework on that if the comment is innocuous. It's pretty obvious if someone mentions the purple wedding, but with a comment about Tywin refusing Elia I would assume that some research would be done before a ban.
No, not really.
If someone mentions something outside of what the show covers it's their responsibility to link the HBO lore video where they got it from. Otherwise auto-book -> auto-ban.
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I'm pretty sure the thing about Tywin offering Tyrion as a match to spur the Martells was never mentioned.
Just skimmed through the GoT wiki, and it's not mentioned there either. Can't speak for the HBO videos.
edit: Anyway, which scene(s) are you guys looking forward to?
For me, it's obviously the Oberyn/Gregor fight. I reaaaaally hope they put in Oberyn's line:
"You're going to fight that?"
"I'm going to kill that."
It's just so badass, and I can totally see Pedo Pascal delivering it.
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Seeing Joffrey die and seeing the pleasure of all of the TV fans this Sunday will be great.
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Is Sunday the Purple Wedding? Seems a bit early, but I'm so psyched to see what happens. The reactions will be historic.
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We don't know.
But the episode is named "The Lion and the Rose", and was written by GRRM. It all points to the Purple Wedding.
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The preview showed the wedding, Joffrey demanding that Tyrion kneel, and Tyrion offering the cup. So yeah, I'm pretty sure it happens this week.
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They're probably going to spend about an hour showing Joffrey doing terrible and cruel things to people before they off him, just to remind everyone how much they hate him. Good times will be had.
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