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On April 08 2014 21:25 chroniX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 21:17 Conti wrote:On April 08 2014 21:03 chroniX wrote:"There is no doubt the show is catching up with me." "Its possible but the producers and I communicate with each other regularly. They know where im going with some of the major characters and plot threads. So they know the eventual destination." "Of course there is no denying the fact that the show is very faithful to the books. But the show is not identical to the books. I mean they are two different mediums. Ultimately I think we will have two versions of the same story." Wow , is he implying that when the show catches up to the books it could go forward with the storyline and even overtake the books? Absolutely. What is the show supposed to do when the books don't come out in time? Pause for a few years? Let the child actors grow up even more, let other actors become unavailable, let interest in the show wane? The show will keep on going, and it will most likely have 7 or 8 seasons in total, from what has been reported. Regardless of how many books will be out in that time. Yea I get that but it never crossed my mind that this would actually happen because of a lot of reasons against it. Primarily because any other author would not allow it because it is a really bad move for his own business. Martin is probably the kinda guy who doesnt care though. It just doesnt feel right and a bit "unethical" to me. Taking someones story, making a tv show out of it and even finish it before he is done with it himself. I would feel kinda bad if i were one of the shows producers.
Well, GRRM used to write screenplays for TV shows for a living, so unlike most authors, he's been on the other side of the fence and knows how things go. He was fully aware of this possibility when he sold the filming rights to his books, and he certainly was not forced to tell the show's producers how the books will end. So it's reasonable to assume that he is perfectly fine with the show taking over his books, and/or showing a different version of the books.
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On April 08 2014 21:46 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 21:03 chroniX wrote:"There is no doubt the show is catching up with me." "Its possible but the producers and I communicate with each other regularly. They know where im going with some of the major characters and plot threads. So they know the eventual destination." "Of course there is no denying the fact that the show is very faithful to the books. But the show is not identical to the books. I mean they are two different mediums. Ultimately I think we will have two versions of the same story." Wow , is he implying that when the show catches up to the books it could go forward with the storyline and even overtake the books? He's admitted to it before. The show racing ahead of the books is a real possibility - wouldn't that be a twist, show-only plebeians spoilering ASOIF for book-only elites?
As hilarious as that would be, It'd probably mean I wouldn't leave the house or turn on the internet untill book 7 is finished. Getting snippets spoilered (somebody spoiled the red wedding when I just started book 3) is bad enough, but knowing the entire story beforehand would possibly ruin it for me.
I also don't think it's a fair comparison. Generally you form a much stronger bond with book characters than you do with characters from TV shows (though characters from the Buffyverse are the exception for me)
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Or Martin decides to go a totally different route in his books than what he told the show producers. With alot of WTF plot twists and an even more epic ending. That would be a twist!
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that or he just dies of a massive heart attack before he finishes the books 
I dont mind that the show goes ahead of the books, I just want GRRM to finish the damn series someday...
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On April 08 2014 18:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
My favorite part about the new season is all the people in the TV GOT thread complaining about how much they hate Dany's storyline. Like, oh dear.
lolll not even in Meereen yet
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There's a lot of divergence at this point. It felt relatively minor in the first 3 seasons (some characters getting combined, Robb's wife getting a new background, certain plots getting cut etc), but now with Jaime in King's Landing already and the Hound still alive, we seem to be getting pretty off track.
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I thought Jaime needs to be in Kings Landing to release Tyrion, which makes sense given that both he and Tyrion seem to be defying Tywin; their story archs are intertwined. And the Hound was still "alive" at this point in the books, he and Arya still need to ford that river (Trident?)
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I thought they crossed the Trident before Arya got Needle back.
After Arya got Needle back, Sandor was too injured to carry on and Arya left him by the tree even though he asked her to finish him off.
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They will most likely have a scene similar to that later on in the season. Some fight happens, the hound will get wounded, and then we'll get the scene from the books with Arya ultimately leaving the hound behind. Does it really matter where exactly that scene happens?
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On April 09 2014 03:22 Conti wrote:
They will most likely have a scene similar to that later on in the season. Some fight happens, the hound will get wounded, and then we'll get the scene from the books with Arya ultimately leaving the hound behind. Does it really matter where exactly that scene happens?
It doesn't so why not just stick with the books and let him die of a leg wound?
I don't see any particular reason as to why they would delay killing the hound in a bar fight in a time-restrained show just to kill him in another one.
The only thing that makes sense to me is that they are going to use the hound to fill in some other unrelated part of the plot.
My guess is so that we have a way to see the brotherhood without banners shenanigans, which is where he'll be killed -> brought back.
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On April 09 2014 03:49 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 03:22 Conti wrote:
They will most likely have a scene similar to that later on in the season. Some fight happens, the hound will get wounded, and then we'll get the scene from the books with Arya ultimately leaving the hound behind. Does it really matter where exactly that scene happens? It doesn't so why not just stick with the books and let him die of a leg wound? I don't see any particular reason as to why they would delay killing the hound in a bar fight in a time-restrained show just to kill him in another one. The only thing that makes sense to me is that they are going to use the hound to fill in some other unrelated part of the plot. My guess is so that we have a way to see the brotherhood without banners shenanigans, which is where he'll be killed -> brought back.
My guess is that the hound is a kick-ass character who the producers simply wanted to be around for some more episodes. And since he truly is a kick-ass character, I fully support that sentiment. 
Not to mention that he can interact more with Arya. Things will be much trickier when she's on her own. It's a TV show, you can't just give her an internal monologue like you can do in the books to make things interesting.
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On April 09 2014 03:54 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 03:49 Z-BosoN wrote:On April 09 2014 03:22 Conti wrote:
They will most likely have a scene similar to that later on in the season. Some fight happens, the hound will get wounded, and then we'll get the scene from the books with Arya ultimately leaving the hound behind. Does it really matter where exactly that scene happens? It doesn't so why not just stick with the books and let him die of a leg wound? I don't see any particular reason as to why they would delay killing the hound in a bar fight in a time-restrained show just to kill him in another one. The only thing that makes sense to me is that they are going to use the hound to fill in some other unrelated part of the plot. My guess is so that we have a way to see the brotherhood without banners shenanigans, which is where he'll be killed -> brought back. My guess is that the hound is a kick-ass character who the producers simply wanted to be around for some more episodes. And since he truly is a kick-ass character, I fully support that sentiment. Not to mention that he can interact more with Arya. Things will be much trickier when she's on her own. It's a TV show, you can't just give her an internal monologue like you can do in the books to make things interesting.
Might be we're both right
I agree with the kick-ass character having more interactions with Arya bit, but as far as her internal monologues go, I remember the most significant part of them being in Braavos. After the hound dies, there's nothing significant until she gets on the titans daughter.
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On April 09 2014 02:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 18:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
My favorite part about the new season is all the people in the TV GOT thread complaining about how much they hate Dany's storyline. Like, oh dear. lolll not even in Meereen yet
Inc Mereenese knot. Lets watch how much their panties bunch up after that clusterfk of nothingness.
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On April 09 2014 06:43 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 02:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On April 08 2014 18:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
My favorite part about the new season is all the people in the TV GOT thread complaining about how much they hate Dany's storyline. Like, oh dear. lolll not even in Meereen yet Inc Mereenese knot. Lets watch how much their panties bunch up after that clusterfk of nothingness.
I could see them cutting out a lot of the shittier parts. But I would be mad if they did, TV viewers need to suffer as much as the book readers
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On April 09 2014 06:44 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 06:43 Lord Tolkien wrote:On April 09 2014 02:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On April 08 2014 18:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
My favorite part about the new season is all the people in the TV GOT thread complaining about how much they hate Dany's storyline. Like, oh dear. lolll not even in Meereen yet Inc Mereenese knot. Lets watch how much their panties bunch up after that clusterfk of nothingness. I could see them cutting out a lot of the shittier parts. But I would be mad if they did, TV viewers need to suffer as much as the book readers
I would never wish that upon anyone. 
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whats so bad about meereen? i dont recall anything particularly distasteful.
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On April 09 2014 07:08 jinorazi wrote:
whats so bad about meereen? i dont recall anything particularly distasteful.
Just 400 pages of moping around and being wooed by creeps, while nothing actually happens.
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Yeah I didn't mind Meereen that much at all. It's one of the few arcs of Dany's PoV that I actually didn't groan about while reading. It's when Dany finally seems to run into some actual conflict again. Prior to Meereen it just seems like everything conveniently goes her way as she bosses everyone around.
Admittedly, her agonizingly drawn-out sexual desires for Daario got old quite fast, but aside from that it wasn't so bad.
edit: Also, Quentyn...lol...I forgot about him, but who wouldn't with how much that story amounted to.
Brienne aFfC chapters, now those were horrendous. The definition of filler. Hell, almost the entire book is pretty dull aside from Cersei and Jamie's crumbling relationship.
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On April 09 2014 07:21 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Yeah I didn't mind Meereen that much at all. It's one of the few arcs of Dany's PoV that I actually didn't groan about while reading. It's when Dany finally seems to run into some actual conflict again. Prior to Meereen it just seems like everything conveniently goes her way as she bosses everyone around.
Admittedly, her agonizingly drawn-out sexual desires for Daario got old quite fast, but aside from that it wasn't so bad.
edit: Also, Quentyn...lol...I forgot about him, but who wouldn't with how much that story amounted to.
Brienne aFfC chapters, now those were horrendous. The definition of filler. Hell, almost the entire book is pretty dull aside from Cersei and Jamie's crumbling relationship.
I like Brienne's chapters. It's ultimately pointless, sure, because she's searching in the wrong direction every time. But it has kind of an Arya sense to it, i.e you get to meet the folks of Westeros, the lowborn and the villagers, as opposed to the lords and the highborn. Brienne also has a TON of callbacks to Jaime in her chapters, which is cute/amusing/touching.
About the Hound... I can see why they decided to go this way. I mean, it's only been like.. 3 episodes of Arya and the Hound together? They don't stay together for that long in the books, but it looks very good on TV. I thoroughly enjoy every interaction between Arya and Sandor. I doubt they're going to derive from the books too much, he'll likely disappear too.
Sadly, I don't think we'll get to see the Quiet Isle on the show. It was a very interesting chapter, but I don't see it as a story fit for TV. It's the kind of thing a reader appreciates, all the winks and references to the Hound, a character you get so close to in the books from Sansa's chapters, and also other chapters here and there (Jaime often thinks of the Hound for his martial prowess and compares him to his brother a lot).
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