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On April 08 2014 05:37 SpikeStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 05:30 c0ldfusion wrote:On April 08 2014 05:18 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On April 08 2014 05:10 c0ldfusion wrote:
I will say this. I'm looking forward to changes. The way things ended in the book with the hound was quite unsatisfying. why? i know of deaths that were less satisfying. His death was quite nice, for an evil character. Also his name kinda lived on in the books if i remember correctly because someone stole his helmet and was raiding villages under his name and stuff like that. Hes a Ronin basically, he does not fulfill any purpose anymore. His last quest was just to help arya and then its over for him. It really doesnt matter for the sake of the story if hes really dead or someone else is raiding in his name. He didn't die in the book. He became a monk. well the last time he was seen alive he was waiting to die under a tree right? it has been a while since ive read the book.
We "saw" him in Brienne's chapter in AFFC, when she goes to the Quiet Isle. He's the gravedigger. The Elder Brother suspiciously knows quite a bit about Sandor's internal struggles despite how many people who have interacted with him see him as nothing more than a bloodthirsty brute.
There's actually quite a lot of hints about the Hound sprinkled throughout that chapter.
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On April 08 2014 05:53 LoLAdriankat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 05:37 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On April 08 2014 05:30 c0ldfusion wrote:On April 08 2014 05:18 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On April 08 2014 05:10 c0ldfusion wrote:
I will say this. I'm looking forward to changes. The way things ended in the book with the hound was quite unsatisfying. why? i know of deaths that were less satisfying. His death was quite nice, for an evil character. Also his name kinda lived on in the books if i remember correctly because someone stole his helmet and was raiding villages under his name and stuff like that. Hes a Ronin basically, he does not fulfill any purpose anymore. His last quest was just to help arya and then its over for him. It really doesnt matter for the sake of the story if hes really dead or someone else is raiding in his name. He didn't die in the book. He became a monk. well the last time he was seen alive he was waiting to die under a tree right? it has been a while since ive read the book. We "saw" him in Brienne's chapter in AFFC, when she goes to the Quiet Isle. He's the gravedigger. The Elder Brother suspiciously knows quite a bit about Sandor's internal struggles despite how many people who have interacted with him see him as nothing more than a bloodthirsty brute. There's actually quite a lot of hints about the Hound sprinkled throughout that chapter.
Yes, the Hound as the gravedigger on the Quiet Isle is one of the almost-a-certainty grade theories. It leaves the door open to a very different departure between he and Arya in which the show might not even pretend that he dies. There still needs to be that key moment where she checks him off her list though, even if it is by pardon.
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+ Show Spoiler +I wonder if there was a bit of politics/cynicism/urgency to get that preview chapter out before S4 started so that GRRM could make it clear that the vengeful re-enactment of Lommy's death was his writing and avoid anyone saying later that he had taken from the show.
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Was I the only one slightly disappointed they depicted the Thenn's as a bunch of tribal cannibals?
They always talk of the Thenn's as the closest group of wildlings to the people south of the Wall, as well as being the most civilized and structured. Which also leads to one of the reasons (probably) that Jon chose a Thenn to be married to Alys.
Although this is pretty far down the line and could easily be explained as a group of Thenn's people who diverted away from the main Thenn's, but I did quite enjoy those chapters where Jon thinks its Arya, but does gain valuable information to help Stannis.
And I agree, I actually like that the Mountain is still alive after the encounter, and the end where Arya repeats Pollivur's words.
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They don't have the budget to be completely accurate to the books so they just merged the Thenns with those cannibal clans.
Plus it's confusing to tv watchers to have too many characters at once.
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I accept it, but it isn't the best I think. Then Thenns are supposed to be just the inverse; the wildlings who are basically like south of the wall westerosi northerners. So much for Magnar meaning "lord". That such a similar to south-of-the-wall society exists in the far north was a good myth-buster. Instead the show is taking the myths and running with them by making wildlings out to be so savage.
It's almost worth it because unsullied are calling them "Orcs" though. That is worth a laugh.
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On April 08 2014 08:29 sung_moon wrote:
Was I the only one slightly disappointed they depicted the Thenn's as a bunch of tribal cannibals?
They always talk of the Thenn's as the closest group of wildlings to the people south of the Wall, as well as being the most civilized and structured. Which also leads to one of the reasons (probably) that Jon chose a Thenn to be married to Alys.
Although this is pretty far down the line and could easily be explained as a group of Thenn's people who diverted away from the main Thenn's, but I did quite enjoy those chapters where Jon thinks its Arya, but does gain valuable information to help Stannis.
And I agree, I actually like that the Mountain is still alive after the encounter, and the end where Arya repeats Pollivur's words.
You mean The Hound I think 
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In the book of the Kingsguard in Episode 1, the page next to Ser Arthur Dayne's biography is the last page for Gerold Hightower's.The last three sentences:
Dispatched by King Aerys to locate the crown Prince Rheagar Targaryen in the wake of Robert's Rebellion. Died in the Red Mountains of Dorne alongside his sworn brothers Ser Arthur Dayne and Ser Oswell Whent. After refusing to bend the knee to the new King, Robert Baratheon, all three were defeated by a small force led by Lord Eddard Stark of Winterfell.
EDIT: Reddit beat me to it by a day, apparently.
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I have two questions regarding the adaptation of the books in the serie, i'm not sure if I remember well but wasn't Jon supposed to be thrown in one of those ice cells after he admitted breaking his vows? Also I don't remember that the Stark sword was reforged, is it the case?
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Jon was thrown in ice cells, Ice (Ned's sword) was reforged into the twin blades.
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The stark sword was definitely reforged, and i am pretty sure that jon was imprisoned, but imo it isn't that big of a deal if they didn't show him stewing in a cell for a couple of scenes.
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The show made clear that Jon wasn't going to die but the consequences are still open.
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My favorite part about the new season is all the people in the TV GOT thread complaining about how much they hate Dany's storyline. Like, oh dear.
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In the books Jon was questioned by the nights watch court and imprisoned after the first attack of the wildlings.
I guess in the show they will make it seem like noone believes Jon about the huge army of wildlings until theres an epic scene where they get to see the army in front of the wall and Alliser Thorne and Janos Slynt will shit their pants.
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"There is no doubt the show is catching up with me."
"Its possible but the producers and I communicate with each other regularly. They know where im going with some of the major characters and plot threads. So they know the eventual destination."
"Of course there is no denying the fact that the show is very faithful to the books. But the show is not identical to the books. I mean they are two different mediums. Ultimately I think we will have two versions of the same story."
Wow , is he implying that when the show catches up to the books it could go forward with the storyline and even overtake the books?
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On April 08 2014 21:03 chroniX wrote:"There is no doubt the show is catching up with me." "Its possible but the producers and I communicate with each other regularly. They know where im going with some of the major characters and plot threads. So they know the eventual destination." "Of course there is no denying the fact that the show is very faithful to the books. But the show is not identical to the books. I mean they are two different mediums. Ultimately I think we will have two versions of the same story." Wow , is he implying that when the show catches up to the books it could go forward with the storyline and even overtake the books?
Absolutely. What is the show supposed to do when the books don't come out in time? Pause for a few years? Let the child actors grow up even more, let other actors become unavailable, let interest in the show wane? The show will keep on going, and it will most likely have 7 or 8 seasons in total, from what has been reported. Regardless of how many books will be out in that time.
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On April 08 2014 21:17 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 21:03 chroniX wrote:"There is no doubt the show is catching up with me." "Its possible but the producers and I communicate with each other regularly. They know where im going with some of the major characters and plot threads. So they know the eventual destination." "Of course there is no denying the fact that the show is very faithful to the books. But the show is not identical to the books. I mean they are two different mediums. Ultimately I think we will have two versions of the same story." Wow , is he implying that when the show catches up to the books it could go forward with the storyline and even overtake the books? Absolutely. What is the show supposed to do when the books don't come out in time? Pause for a few years? Let the child actors grow up even more, let other actors become unavailable, let interest in the show wane? The show will keep on going, and it will most likely have 7 or 8 seasons in total, from what has been reported. Regardless of how many books will be out in that time.
Yea I get that but it never crossed my mind that this would actually happen because of a lot of reasons against it. Primarily because any other author would not allow it because it is a really bad move for his own business. Martin is probably the kinda guy who doesnt care though.
It just doesnt feel right and a bit "unethical" to me. Taking someones story, making a tv show out of it and even finish it before he is done with it himself. I would feel kinda bad if i were one of the shows producers.
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On April 08 2014 21:25 chroniX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 21:17 Conti wrote:On April 08 2014 21:03 chroniX wrote:"There is no doubt the show is catching up with me." "Its possible but the producers and I communicate with each other regularly. They know where im going with some of the major characters and plot threads. So they know the eventual destination." "Of course there is no denying the fact that the show is very faithful to the books. But the show is not identical to the books. I mean they are two different mediums. Ultimately I think we will have two versions of the same story." Wow , is he implying that when the show catches up to the books it could go forward with the storyline and even overtake the books? Absolutely. What is the show supposed to do when the books don't come out in time? Pause for a few years? Let the child actors grow up even more, let other actors become unavailable, let interest in the show wane? The show will keep on going, and it will most likely have 7 or 8 seasons in total, from what has been reported. Regardless of how many books will be out in that time. Yea I get that but it never crossed my mind that this would actually happen because of a lot of reasons against it. Primarily because any other author would not allow it because it is a really bad move for his own business. Martin is probably the kinda guy who doesnt care though. It just doesnt feel right and a bit "unethical" to me. Taking someones story, making a tv show out of it and even finish it before he is done with it himself. I would feel kinda bad if i were one of the shows producers.
GoT is currently on a mix of book 3 and 4. Because AFFC and ADWD happen roughly at the same time, it's hard to make more than one season for each. Besides, the kids are growing up, and the producers have stated that they wish to finish in 7 or 8 seasons.
Even if they were to finish in 8 seasons, that would barely be enough time for GRRM to finish TWOW. It's likely he is going to finish the book in the next couple of years, and I'm honestly thinking it will be released some time in 2015. If he wants the show to not finish before him, he'll have to write ADOS in one year or less. It's never going to happen.
So yeah, it might be a bit sad, but at this point I think it's 99% sure that the show will finish before the books.
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On April 08 2014 21:03 chroniX wrote:"There is no doubt the show is catching up with me." "Its possible but the producers and I communicate with each other regularly. They know where im going with some of the major characters and plot threads. So they know the eventual destination." "Of course there is no denying the fact that the show is very faithful to the books. But the show is not identical to the books. I mean they are two different mediums. Ultimately I think we will have two versions of the same story." Wow , is he implying that when the show catches up to the books it could go forward with the storyline and even overtake the books?
He's admitted to it before.
The show racing ahead of the books is a real possibility - wouldn't that be a twist, show-only plebeians spoilering ASOIF for book-only elites?
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