EPTshe rides pigs for living, she will ride one of the dragons, tyrion becomes king by marriage, dwarf empire...what a twist. you grrm, what a genius!
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
she rides pigs for living, she will ride one of the dragons, tyrion becomes king by marriage, dwarf empire...what a twist. you grrm, what a genius! | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3813 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16118 Posts
On April 11 2014 14:41 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I feel like Penny is important to a lot of Tyrion's character development in the second half of ADWD. She is, but her role prior to ADWD is far less important. You don't need jousting dwarfs on pigs to insult Tyrion enough to get him to insult Joffrey at the wedding. That part is easily replaced with something else. | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
its so evil i'm starting to believe martin would do that | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16118 Posts
On April 11 2014 18:00 icystorage wrote: What if- bear with me guys- WHAT IF they don't kill joffrey just to fuck book readers? its so evil i'm starting to believe martin would do that They can't. They have to. It's absolutely imperative for the plot to advance. I'm just now rereading ADWD. Davos is only set free from the sisters because the lord there has his doubts that boy king Tommen without Tywin around can win a war against Stannis. That's just one example. There's also the whole thing with the Dornish wanting to use Dornish custom to install Myrcella as Queen due to her being older than Tommen once Joffrey is killed. | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3813 Posts
On April 11 2014 18:00 icystorage wrote: What if- bear with me guys- WHAT IF they don't kill joffrey just to fuck book readers? its so evil i'm starting to believe martin would do that Ser Pounce requires the blood of Joffrey to ascend the throne. | ||
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Calarague
France33 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On April 11 2014 19:57 Calarague wrote: With the dornish already being here for the wedding, and Oberyn openly stating he wants revenge, the viewers and the characters alike will wonder if they had a part in Joffrey's death. I feel the show has to address that. I'm curious to see how they bring about Tyrion's imprisonment now, because of this minor adjustment they made. I imagined Oberyn to be completely different TBH, don't think his charakter is too well outlined. Also, there was a sudden change of charakter regarding Dario Nahaaris - anyone knowing why? | ||
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Calarague
France33 Posts
http://www.themarysue.com/ed-skrein-post-got-role/ http://time.com/51699/game-of-thrones-daario-naharis/ Also about the not-killing-Joffrey idea, it would have been funny, I always wished he would have died more slowly and painfully, but it is definitely happening just like in the book. It would be too much of a plot deviation. Plus we have seen Tyrion in chains in various Season 4 trailers. | ||
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BallinWitStalin
1177 Posts
I really get the feeling that they're potentially setting that up to happen differently relative to the books. | ||
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
On April 11 2014 21:32 BallinWitStalin wrote: What do you guys think will happen with Shae? I really get the feeling that they're potentially setting that up to happen differently relative to the books. I think it looks like she'll betray him because she thinks Tyrion doesn't love/want her and wants her gone. I doubt they'll make it so she doesn't betray him, though maybe she doesn't end up in Tywin's bed. The Tywin hates whores thing hasn't been set up nearly as much as in the books. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On April 11 2014 19:57 Calarague wrote: With the dornish already being here for the wedding, and Oberyn openly stating he wants revenge, the viewers and the characters alike will wonder if they had a part in Joffrey's death. I feel the show has to address that. I'm curious to see how they bring about Tyrion's imprisonment now, because of this minor adjustment they made. ? That's exactly how he did it in the books too. Through a combination of circumstantial evidence and Cersei's blind hatred for him, Tyrion takes all the blame when the most likely suspect would most likely be Oberyn. I think he confesses as much when he visits Tyrion in the dungeons. What minor adjustment are you referring to? So far, I think it looks like they are right on course to handle this thing just like it was done in the books, with maybe a few deviations here and there. Shae is getting more and more pissed off, which makes her betrayal less sudden to viewers, and Tywin has shown his hatred of whores enough I think for finding her in his bed to have the proper effect, especially if Jaime tells him about his "whore" wife right beforehand. What I'm curious about is how they show Joffrey's death. Will Olenna adjust the necklace and take a piece? Will Sansa notice? How many clues are viewers going to get as to who is responsible for his poisoning, or is Littlefinger going to announce he did it with the help of the Tyrells immediately? | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On April 12 2014 01:38 ZasZ. wrote: ? That's exactly how he did it in the books too. Through a combination of circumstantial evidence and Cersei's blind hatred for him, Tyrion takes all the blame when the most likely suspect would most likely be Oberyn. I think he confesses as much when he visits Tyrion in the dungeons. What minor adjustment are you referring to? So far, I think it looks like they are right on course to handle this thing just like it was done in the books, with maybe a few deviations here and there. Shae is getting more and more pissed off, which makes her betrayal less sudden to viewers, and Tywin has shown his hatred of whores enough I think for finding her in his bed to have the proper effect, especially if Jaime tells him about his "whore" wife right beforehand. What I'm curious about is how they show Joffrey's death. Will Olenna adjust the necklace and take a piece? Will Sansa notice? How many clues are viewers going to get as to who is responsible for his poisoning, or is Littlefinger going to announce he did it with the help of the Tyrells immediately? I don't know that Oberyn was involved in Joffrey's death. In AFFC, we learn in Sansa's chapters that Littlefinger set the whole thing up with the Queen of Thorns. At least, that's what Littlefinger says. It's possible that Oberyn might have helped though, as he is an expert in poisons. There are even suspicions of Oberyn/Ollena poisoning Tywin, due to the heavy stench of his corpse, and the fact that he was in the privy when Tyrion found him. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18213 Posts
On April 12 2014 01:44 Spaylz wrote: I don't know that Oberyn was involved in Joffrey's death. In AFFC, we learn in Sansa's chapters that Littlefinger set the whole thing up with the Queen of Thorns. At least, that's what Littlefinger says. It's possible that Oberyn might have helped though, as he is an expert in poisons. There are even suspicions of Oberyn/Ollena poisoning Tywin, due to the heavy stench of his corpse, and the fact that he was in the privy when Tyrion found him. I think the main theory is Oberyn poisoning Tywin. He was already wasting away with illness by the time Tyrion got out of jail and killed him. I don't think Olenna has anything to do with that. And Oberyn and Olenna working together seems unlikely to the extreme, because the Highgardens and Martells hate each others' guts (far more than either of them dislikes the Lannisters) | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On April 12 2014 01:38 ZasZ. wrote: ? That's exactly how he did it in the books too. Through a combination of circumstantial evidence and Cersei's blind hatred for him, Tyrion takes all the blame when the most likely suspect would most likely be Oberyn. I think he confesses as much when he visits Tyrion in the dungeons. What minor adjustment are you referring to? So far, I think it looks like they are right on course to handle this thing just like it was done in the books, with maybe a few deviations here and there. Shae is getting more and more pissed off, which makes her betrayal less sudden to viewers, and Tywin has shown his hatred of whores enough I think for finding her in his bed to have the proper effect, especially if Jaime tells him about his "whore" wife right beforehand. What I'm curious about is how they show Joffrey's death. Will Olenna adjust the necklace and take a piece? Will Sansa notice? How many clues are viewers going to get as to who is responsible for his poisoning, or is Littlefinger going to announce he did it with the help of the Tyrells immediately? I agree with your post, with the exception of the bolded part. Book and TV Shae are two very different persons. Book Shae is not much more than a common whore, albeit a cute one. Tyrion acknowledged this himself often enough when talking to himself, and berated himself for thinking otherwise after intimate moments. So I dont think her betrayal was very surprising. I even hesitate to call it a "betrayal", because it is also not a betrayal if a whore serves other customers after she is done with the first. Surely Tyrion could not expect his whore to defy the queen or Tywin. Because of this I also believe Tyrion murdering her was a very condemnable act. It only happened because Tyrion had some notions he should not have had in the first place. In contrast TV Shae is much more complex and has different motivations than simply wealth, pretty dresses etc. like book Shae has. She seems to genuinely care about Tyrion. She hates to be perceived as a whore, in contrast to book Shae. So the whole "betrayal" thing will have to be set up very differently to make it believable. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
In the show, she really does love him, and it looks like they will use force and/or blackmail to make her turn on Tyrion (Cersei knows about them). That would make Shae's betrayal far less abhorrent, and Tyrion killing her for it would look like a drastic overreaction very atypical of him. | ||
KwarK
United States43565 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18213 Posts
On April 12 2014 02:24 KwarK wrote: I think they've completely fucked up Tyrion's Shae arc and his subsequent feelings of betrayal by everyone since his first wife leading to his search for her. Well, I don't really see the problem with Tywin or Jaime, but I agree that I don't really see how they can write their way out of the Shae betrayal in a way that rivals the books' power. Add that to Shae being acted by one of the weaker actors on the show and I don't much like that arc at the moment. | ||
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chillpenguin
United States90 Posts
On April 12 2014 01:44 Spaylz wrote: I don't know that Oberyn was involved in Joffrey's death. In AFFC, we learn in Sansa's chapters that Littlefinger set the whole thing up with the Queen of Thorns. At least, that's what Littlefinger says. It's possible that Oberyn might have helped though, as he is an expert in poisons. There are even suspicions of Oberyn/Ollena poisoning Tywin, due to the heavy stench of his corpse, and the fact that he was in the privy when Tyrion found him. He's not saying Oberyn was involved in Joffrey's death, just referring to the comment that something has changed from the books, when it hasn't. Oberyn showed up before the wedding in the book, wasn't really shy about stating his intentions, and when visiting Tyrion in jail even says something like "If not for you I would be the most likely suspect, who else has a greater knowledge of poisons?" | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On April 12 2014 02:08 Conti wrote: I'm really curious if Tyrion will kill Shae in the show. In the books, his reaction was more than understandable. Shae kept telling him she loved him (and Tyrion certainly wanted to believe that), and then she turns at him at the first opportunity, pretty much leaving him for dead. I absolutely disagree. It was very obvious she was just a whore, and Tyrion told so himself several times. She did what she was paid for, she just happened to be very good at her job. Also this was not a "first opportunity". He was basically done for, so her relationship with Tyrion was over. And you can not expect a whore to defy the queen and Tywin to protect her best customer. That makes no sense. Killing her was absolutely uncalled for from a moral perspective. It just happened as a consequence of all the humiliation Tyrion had experienced in love matters all his life. | ||
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