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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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Irrelevant Label
Profile Joined January 2012
United States596 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-13 20:45:12
April 13 2014 20:43 GMT
#8761
She was mentioned by name, wasn't she? I don't think it matters if she was though.

They have shown Shae to be building up quite a lot of frustration against Tyrion. I wouldn't be so sure that they will depart from the betrayal.

I also can't help but think that one of the few purposes for that golden chain gift scene was to set that up as the stand-in for the hand of the king chain.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
April 13 2014 20:59 GMT
#8762
On April 14 2014 05:43 Irrelevant Label wrote:
She was mentioned by name, wasn't she? I don't think it matters if she was though.

They have shown Shae to be building up quite a lot of frustration against Tyrion. I wouldn't be so sure that they will depart from the betrayal.

I also can't help but think that one of the few purposes for that golden chain gift scene was to set that up as the stand-in for the hand of the king chain.

That's entirely possible. I would be quite disappointed by that, though. I mean, Shae would go from being jealous and annoyed at Tyrion to literally dooming him to his death. That's quite the leap, and I don't see how they could pull that one off in any believable way.
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
April 13 2014 21:00 GMT
#8763
Tysha was mentioned by name, during the first season when Tyrion first meets Shae. No mention of her since though.

What gold chain scene? I don't remember that. Ros was the one who received a gold chain from Tyrion, no? Did Shae receive one too? I forget.
I like words.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
April 13 2014 21:25 GMT
#8764
On April 14 2014 05:15 Conti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 04:57 chroniX wrote:
Coming back to the Shae discussion:

What if Shae doesnt betray Tyrion? Cersei and Tywin already know that Tyrion has a secret whore as girlfriend and take her hostage to use it against Tyrion. She is gone from then. Storyline goes on and in the end Shae kinda takes the part of Tysha (who is not existant in the show) in Tyrions quest to find her .... "Where whores go...".

I made this prediction last season, actually. I still consider it possible that Shae will remain loyal to Tyrion, will be forced to testify against him, and then Tywin or Cersei will have Shae executed (possibly with Tyrion watching), thus making him just as bitter and depressed as in the books. It's easily possible to get the "wherever whores go" line in there somewhere to refer to Shae instead, though they might as well just skip it.

Edit: Come to think of it, it would probably be Tywin who has Shae killed. Gives Tyrion the motivation to put a bolt through the old bastard's gut.

Tysha was actually mentioned in the show, but not by name. Tyrion told the story (or parts of it) in the first season to Shae and Bronn. But I don't think they have mentioned it since.

Yeah made the same prediction last season. :D
And I would actually like that. It would make Tyrions killing his father way more understandable for the viewer. Tysha as the sole reason would not really work. Although the Tysha story was mentioned, almost no viewer will remember that. And they dont have all the Tyrion inner monologue like in the book where he thinks about her, so it would not be comprehensible for viewers imo.
So I always thought this was the reason they made TV Shae so different from book Shae.

But then again last episode made things look different again, with the rift between Shae and Tryion they showed. I really dont know what they will do, but this makes watching as someone who has read the books more exciting.
Off-season = best season
Irrelevant Label
Profile Joined January 2012
United States596 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-13 22:12:22
April 13 2014 22:12 GMT
#8765
And they dont have all the Tyrion inner monologue like in the book where he thinks about her, so it would not be comprehensible for viewers imo.
So I always thought this was the reason they made TV Shae so different from book Shae.



The loss of that inner monologue is the game changer. If the red wedding, the precise politics of Ned's downfall, and maybe even the Dany/Drogo relationship are enough indication, it is their MO to compensate for the reduced exposition in a TV show by making things either more shocking or otherwise do things to make a "stronger" blunt impression. It is a trade off that seems clumsy to me, but maybe it is the best or only way to do it.

The Shae who appears to actually love him and then turns on him fits that pattern.

There is plenty of reason to the betrayal-less model too. That also fits the pattern, but with the focus on Tyrion's relationship with Tywin rather than Shae.

I think it can go either way, and we'll probably know within the next couple episodes.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
April 14 2014 01:17 GMT
#8766
oh shit, massive departure from the book with the Reek\Boltons sequence....
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 14 2014 01:23 GMT
#8767
Is this the purple wedding episode?
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
April 14 2014 01:36 GMT
#8768
And there it is, did you guys see her take a gem? I didn't see it... it still looked intact....
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
April 14 2014 01:41 GMT
#8769
Those were some pretty awkward scenes with Cersei, Loras, Brienne and Jamies.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
April 14 2014 01:43 GMT
#8770
lol Prince Oberyn saves the day though... what a scene
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
April 14 2014 01:45 GMT
#8771
Damn that's messed up, everyone at that table must be like wtf.........
SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
April 14 2014 01:54 GMT
#8772
I'm waiting for the reactions guys, hope it's gonna be good
Gentso
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2218 Posts
April 14 2014 01:57 GMT
#8773
On April 14 2014 10:54 SpiZe wrote:
I'm waiting for the reactions guys, hope it's gonna be good


Didn't even take a minute for people to start 'guessing' who's behind it!!! lol
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
April 14 2014 01:57 GMT
#8774
Man, I can't wait to watch the episode.
I like words.
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
April 14 2014 02:03 GMT
#8775
On April 14 2014 10:57 Gentso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 10:54 SpiZe wrote:
I'm waiting for the reactions guys, hope it's gonna be good


Didn't even take a minute for people to start 'guessing' who's behind it!!! lol


To be fair, they've been setting up Olenna as the only reasonable culprit the whole time. It was a little heavy-handed.
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2554 Posts
April 14 2014 02:11 GMT
#8776
He's dead. It's over.

####
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
April 14 2014 02:33 GMT
#8777
Two main departures I noticed.

The Bolton/Ramsey scene.

Cersei/Brienne sequence.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
April 14 2014 02:41 GMT
#8778
Well, the good thing is GRRM wrote this episode. So you know this is how he wanted it to go down.
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2554 Posts
April 14 2014 03:17 GMT
#8779
On April 14 2014 11:33 Vindicare605 wrote:
Two main departures I noticed.

The Bolton/Ramsey scene.

Cersei/Brienne sequence.

Leave it to Cersei to actually be jealous of the ugliest woman in existence. I hate the way she's portrayed in the show. In the books she's way more sympathetic.
####
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-14 03:34:37
April 14 2014 03:26 GMT
#8780
I was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the TV's rendition of the purple wedding! The Tyrion/Joffrey interaction felt really good. Some of the other dialogues felt kind of forced though.

Disappointed by the Shae/Tyrion relationship development. But it was clear the path they were going with that a long time ago...

All in all decent episode.
=)=
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