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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
June 07 2013 07:59 GMT
#7521
On June 07 2013 12:44 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 11:59 Dakkas wrote:
On June 07 2013 10:04 LoLAdriankat wrote:
On June 07 2013 06:23 animagne wrote:
Is there enough information in the tv series to infer R+L=J? I know it's much harder, especially when you don't have detailed memories from Ned, but are there enough details still in? (House of undying, Robert talking to Ned when they set off to king's road, references to Rhaegar in general).

The only thing I can think of is when Dany finds herself at The Wall during the House of the Undying part. She sees a vision of Khal Drogo and Rhaego, the latter of whom has black hair, which I think is saying that Targaryens can have black hair. It's essentially the show version of the winter rose on The Wall.


That and snow in the Throne Room

Snow in the Throne Room

...Wow. I only just realized what that was supposed to mean lol. Thanks for spelling it out.


oh gods I totally missed that on 2 read throughs.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
June 07 2013 08:51 GMT
#7522
On June 07 2013 16:59 daemir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 12:44 Kiett wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:59 Dakkas wrote:
On June 07 2013 10:04 LoLAdriankat wrote:
On June 07 2013 06:23 animagne wrote:
Is there enough information in the tv series to infer R+L=J? I know it's much harder, especially when you don't have detailed memories from Ned, but are there enough details still in? (House of undying, Robert talking to Ned when they set off to king's road, references to Rhaegar in general).

The only thing I can think of is when Dany finds herself at The Wall during the House of the Undying part. She sees a vision of Khal Drogo and Rhaego, the latter of whom has black hair, which I think is saying that Targaryens can have black hair. It's essentially the show version of the winter rose on The Wall.


That and snow in the Throne Room

Snow in the Throne Room

...Wow. I only just realized what that was supposed to mean lol. Thanks for spelling it out.


oh gods I totally missed that on 2 read throughs.

Dang, I missed that too.

How did I miss that? O_o
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Tiwo
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands306 Posts
June 07 2013 09:14 GMT
#7523
On June 07 2013 17:51 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 16:59 daemir wrote:
On June 07 2013 12:44 Kiett wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:59 Dakkas wrote:
On June 07 2013 10:04 LoLAdriankat wrote:
On June 07 2013 06:23 animagne wrote:
Is there enough information in the tv series to infer R+L=J? I know it's much harder, especially when you don't have detailed memories from Ned, but are there enough details still in? (House of undying, Robert talking to Ned when they set off to king's road, references to Rhaegar in general).

The only thing I can think of is when Dany finds herself at The Wall during the House of the Undying part. She sees a vision of Khal Drogo and Rhaego, the latter of whom has black hair, which I think is saying that Targaryens can have black hair. It's essentially the show version of the winter rose on The Wall.


That and snow in the Throne Room

Snow in the Throne Room

...Wow. I only just realized what that was supposed to mean lol. Thanks for spelling it out.


oh gods I totally missed that on 2 read throughs.

Dang, I missed that too.

How did I miss that? O_o


Funny enough I got it from the series, I don't even remember if that scene was in the house of the undying in the books, I only read that book once and that Chapter was kinda confusing is general
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
June 07 2013 09:24 GMT
#7524
Ramsay reveal in next episode?
i sure hope so, the trailer show a theon scene and i dont think it would make sense to leave him in "unknown territory", it would be a pretty unsatisfactory season arc...
you no take candle
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10116 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 15:07:26
June 07 2013 15:06 GMT
#7525
On June 07 2013 13:07 Dakkas wrote:
Exactly, Ramsay Snow will sit the Iron Throne


f*ck.... ....damn! you just destroyed my brain

i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Deleted User 123474
Profile Joined November 2010
292 Posts
June 07 2013 15:10 GMT
#7526
On June 08 2013 00:06 Topin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 13:07 Dakkas wrote:
Exactly, Ramsay Snow will sit the Iron Throne


f*ck.... ....damn! you just destroyed my brain



Hahaha...Thanks, you just made me look like a crazy person at my desk. LOL literally.
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
June 07 2013 15:27 GMT
#7527
spoiler regarding preview for next week:
+ Show Spoiler +
Yara was in one of the previews for next week so she will have a scene.


Re: Dany in the throne room with snow on the throne, notice the throne room is in ruins too, which could mean that the white walkers won, or some have speculated that it was actually ash, and not snow, and there was the comment about how littlefinger would be willing to be king of ash if it meant he was in power, or that the Dragons burned the city to the ground as part of their conquest or she won but her victory turned to ashes.
Restrider
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany129 Posts
June 07 2013 15:39 GMT
#7528
On June 07 2013 15:47 Dakkas wrote:
Asha sounds similar to Osha, it'll confuse show-only viewers. One of the reasons why Robert Arryn was changed to Robin Arryn

Wasn't Robert Arryn Jr. called something like "Sweet Robin" by Sansa?
Gentso
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2218 Posts
June 07 2013 15:56 GMT
#7529
On June 07 2013 16:59 daemir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 12:44 Kiett wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:59 Dakkas wrote:
On June 07 2013 10:04 LoLAdriankat wrote:
On June 07 2013 06:23 animagne wrote:
Is there enough information in the tv series to infer R+L=J? I know it's much harder, especially when you don't have detailed memories from Ned, but are there enough details still in? (House of undying, Robert talking to Ned when they set off to king's road, references to Rhaegar in general).

The only thing I can think of is when Dany finds herself at The Wall during the House of the Undying part. She sees a vision of Khal Drogo and Rhaego, the latter of whom has black hair, which I think is saying that Targaryens can have black hair. It's essentially the show version of the winter rose on The Wall.


That and snow in the Throne Room

Snow in the Throne Room

...Wow. I only just realized what that was supposed to mean lol. Thanks for spelling it out.


oh gods I totally missed that on 2 read throughs.


I thought Dany finding Drogo and her son meant that eventually she will die battling the others north of the wall.
Koerage
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands1220 Posts
June 07 2013 17:17 GMT
#7530
On June 07 2013 18:14 Tiwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 17:51 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On June 07 2013 16:59 daemir wrote:
On June 07 2013 12:44 Kiett wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:59 Dakkas wrote:
On June 07 2013 10:04 LoLAdriankat wrote:
On June 07 2013 06:23 animagne wrote:
Is there enough information in the tv series to infer R+L=J? I know it's much harder, especially when you don't have detailed memories from Ned, but are there enough details still in? (House of undying, Robert talking to Ned when they set off to king's road, references to Rhaegar in general).

The only thing I can think of is when Dany finds herself at The Wall during the House of the Undying part. She sees a vision of Khal Drogo and Rhaego, the latter of whom has black hair, which I think is saying that Targaryens can have black hair. It's essentially the show version of the winter rose on The Wall.


That and snow in the Throne Room

Snow in the Throne Room

...Wow. I only just realized what that was supposed to mean lol. Thanks for spelling it out.


oh gods I totally missed that on 2 read throughs.

Dang, I missed that too.

How did I miss that? O_o


Funny enough I got it from the series, I don't even remember if that scene was in the house of the undying in the books, I only read that book once and that Chapter was kinda confusing is general


wow i watched that scene twice in the last few weeks and i didnt get that... good catch.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 19:06:19
June 07 2013 19:05 GMT
#7531
On June 08 2013 00:56 Gentso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 16:59 daemir wrote:
On June 07 2013 12:44 Kiett wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:59 Dakkas wrote:
On June 07 2013 10:04 LoLAdriankat wrote:
On June 07 2013 06:23 animagne wrote:
Is there enough information in the tv series to infer R+L=J? I know it's much harder, especially when you don't have detailed memories from Ned, but are there enough details still in? (House of undying, Robert talking to Ned when they set off to king's road, references to Rhaegar in general).

The only thing I can think of is when Dany finds herself at The Wall during the House of the Undying part. She sees a vision of Khal Drogo and Rhaego, the latter of whom has black hair, which I think is saying that Targaryens can have black hair. It's essentially the show version of the winter rose on The Wall.


That and snow in the Throne Room

Snow in the Throne Room

...Wow. I only just realized what that was supposed to mean lol. Thanks for spelling it out.


oh gods I totally missed that on 2 read throughs.


I thought Dany finding Drogo and her son meant that eventually she will die battling the others north of the wall.

Probably a good end for her and her arc, to be honest.

Compared to "Aegon", she may be a conqueror, but she's no ruler.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
BallinWitStalin
Profile Joined July 2008
1177 Posts
June 07 2013 22:09 GMT
#7532
On June 08 2013 00:56 Gentso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 16:59 daemir wrote:
On June 07 2013 12:44 Kiett wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:59 Dakkas wrote:
On June 07 2013 10:04 LoLAdriankat wrote:
On June 07 2013 06:23 animagne wrote:
Is there enough information in the tv series to infer R+L=J? I know it's much harder, especially when you don't have detailed memories from Ned, but are there enough details still in? (House of undying, Robert talking to Ned when they set off to king's road, references to Rhaegar in general).

The only thing I can think of is when Dany finds herself at The Wall during the House of the Undying part. She sees a vision of Khal Drogo and Rhaego, the latter of whom has black hair, which I think is saying that Targaryens can have black hair. It's essentially the show version of the winter rose on The Wall.


That and snow in the Throne Room

Snow in the Throne Room

...Wow. I only just realized what that was supposed to mean lol. Thanks for spelling it out.


oh gods I totally missed that on 2 read throughs.


I thought Dany finding Drogo and her son meant that eventually she will die battling the others north of the wall.


You know you might be on to something there.
I await the reminiscent nerd chills I will get when I hear a Korean broadcaster yell "WEEAAAAVVVVVUUUHHH" while watching Dota
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
June 07 2013 22:51 GMT
#7533
OK What is she reaching for in the "snow" in the throne room scene here at 4:15? Is she reaching for the throne itself or is there something (someone) sitting there?

~ ~ <°)))><~ ~ ~
Koerage
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands1220 Posts
June 07 2013 23:03 GMT
#7534
looks like she's just reaching for the grip of one of the many swords the throne was made off... tho we cannot be sure, if there's a small person sitting there we wouldnt see him, and if its someone she doesnt know she might very well ignore that person. altho john is not small, so that wouldnt match him
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
June 08 2013 08:32 GMT
#7535
There doesn't appear to be a person in the Throneroom, no. It appears to just be the sword handles melted into the Throne.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Sablar
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden880 Posts
June 08 2013 13:47 GMT
#7536
Am I the only one worried about what will happen once the show reaches book 4 and 5?

I loved the books from 1-3 but don't care much for 4-5 at all, and from what I understand I'm not alone with that. What do you think.. should they start making bigger changes to the story? I'm thinking that it would be good for the show to keep more focus on existing characters like Tyrion, Arya and Bran and maybe try to do more with them instead of going too much into Dorne and Iron Islands etc. Apart from that there is just so much detail that I don't think add anything about things like a detailed Night watch political process or Brienne on her fools quest, and later Daenerys starts to get slow-paced as well.

The writers seem to be good at telling this complex story so while I'm not sure that I know how to better tell it, I'm kind of thinking that they may be able to. Much of what will happen otherwise just isn't as interesting or dramatic as previous books I think.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
June 08 2013 14:08 GMT
#7537
On June 08 2013 22:47 Sablar wrote:
Am I the only one worried about what will happen once the show reaches book 4 and 5?

I loved the books from 1-3 but don't care much for 4-5 at all, and from what I understand I'm not alone with that. What do you think.. should they start making bigger changes to the story? I'm thinking that it would be good for the show to keep more focus on existing characters like Tyrion, Arya and Bran and maybe try to do more with them instead of going too much into Dorne and Iron Islands etc. Apart from that there is just so much detail that I don't think add anything about things like a detailed Night watch political process or Brienne on her fools quest, and later Daenerys starts to get slow-paced as well.

The writers seem to be good at telling this complex story so while I'm not sure that I know how to better tell it, I'm kind of thinking that they may be able to. Much of what will happen otherwise just isn't as interesting or dramatic as previous books I think.

I agree. I also think there have to be major changes from the books for feast and dance to keep things interesting for a TV audience. These books were also my least favorite ones.
They said they only want to do 7 seasons, so book 4 and 5 will probably be condensed into one season. Which of course means major changes. I also think major parts of the Iron Islands and Dorne stuff will be axed.
Off-season = best season
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
June 08 2013 14:14 GMT
#7538
On June 08 2013 22:47 Sablar wrote:
Am I the only one worried about what will happen once the show reaches book 4 and 5?

I loved the books from 1-3 but don't care much for 4-5 at all, and from what I understand I'm not alone with that. What do you think.. should they start making bigger changes to the story? I'm thinking that it would be good for the show to keep more focus on existing characters like Tyrion, Arya and Bran and maybe try to do more with them instead of going too much into Dorne and Iron Islands etc. Apart from that there is just so much detail that I don't think add anything about things like a detailed Night watch political process or Brienne on her fools quest, and later Daenerys starts to get slow-paced as well.

The writers seem to be good at telling this complex story so while I'm not sure that I know how to better tell it, I'm kind of thinking that they may be able to. Much of what will happen otherwise just isn't as interesting or dramatic as previous books I think.


Plenty of stuff to do, and they won't do 2 seasons a book like ASOS.

There are just way more story lines in AFFC, they don't have to focus on NW/Brienne, there is Arya, Jaime, Cersei, Tyrion, Bran, Greyjoys, Oldtown, Dorne. And there's a ton of stuff left over that they didn't use in previous seasons that was used in the books. Nods to Tower of Joy, Tourney at Harrenhal, Defiance of Duskendale, Blackfyre rebellion, Aegon's conquest, maybe some Dunk and Egg.
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Serek
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom459 Posts
June 08 2013 14:22 GMT
#7539
On June 08 2013 23:08 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 22:47 Sablar wrote:
Am I the only one worried about what will happen once the show reaches book 4 and 5?

I loved the books from 1-3 but don't care much for 4-5 at all, and from what I understand I'm not alone with that. What do you think.. should they start making bigger changes to the story? I'm thinking that it would be good for the show to keep more focus on existing characters like Tyrion, Arya and Bran and maybe try to do more with them instead of going too much into Dorne and Iron Islands etc. Apart from that there is just so much detail that I don't think add anything about things like a detailed Night watch political process or Brienne on her fools quest, and later Daenerys starts to get slow-paced as well.

The writers seem to be good at telling this complex story so while I'm not sure that I know how to better tell it, I'm kind of thinking that they may be able to. Much of what will happen otherwise just isn't as interesting or dramatic as previous books I think.

I agree. I also think there have to be major changes from the books for feast and dance to keep things interesting for a TV audience. These books were also my least favorite ones.
They said they only want to do 7 seasons, so book 4 and 5 will probably be condensed into one season. Which of course means major changes. I also think major parts of the Iron Islands and Dorne stuff will be axed.


It doesn't mean major changes necessarily considering that half of one of the books is essentially Danny sitting in Slaver's Bay doing nothing. Dorne could be summarized in a couple well made scenes and so could be most of the other plot lines from the Iron Islands. Even Tyrion's trip could be cut down massively, but they probably won't do that as he is one of the "lead" characters in the series.

In terms of plot advancement books 4 and 5 put together do as much as book 1. The writers on the show should be able cut most of the chaff without changing the overall plot arc significantly.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 08 2013 14:24 GMT
#7540
I don't know I think Dany sitting doing nothing is rather important. It's a self discovery that she is still just a little naive girl.
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