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On June 06 2013 03:56 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 03:49 Maxyim wrote:
Episode 10 is almost certain to end with both Balon and Joffrey's death. Remember the three leeches? No way that they will leave that plotline unfinished for another 9 months.
I personally see no problem with all of the remaining major events being condensed in this episode. Davos, Ygritte, Coldhands, Balon, Joffrey, Catelyn. That will probably be the approx. sequence / timing of it too.
There are major problems with this condensation, as has already been pointed out numerous times, insofar as the Martells, the entrance of the Red Viper, and the actual sequence of the wedding itself is concerned. The wedding is meant to be the most lavish affair Westeros has seen in years, and yet show makers are going to super minimize it along with completely tossing aside the meaning in having Dornishmen travel north for once? I don't think so.
The Martells / Red Viper are insignificant to the actual storyline contribution of the Purple Wedding, so they can always be introduced later. There is no requirement for Oberyn to be actually present to step in for Tyrion later after he arrives.
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On June 06 2013 03:49 Maxyim wrote:
Episode 10 is almost certain to end with both Balon and Joffrey's death. Remember the three leeches? No way that they will leave that plotline unfinished for another 9 months.
I personally see no problem with all of the remaining major events of CoK being condensed in this episode. Davos, Ygritte, Coldhands, Balon, Joffrey, Catelyn. That will probably be the approx. sequence / timing of it too.
Season 4 will surely start with the Castle Black storyline, and will end with the big battle & Stannis reveal (episode 40). I agree with episode 39 re: Tyrion.
On a side note, I wonder how Davos will play out. He has not even saved Gendry yet. I would guess that he will free him, get caught, saved by Stannis from execution and made King's Hand over the course of a whirlwind 5-7 minutes.
Except that there is no possible way for them to adequately cover all of those events in one episode. They wouldn't be doing justice to any of them. I don't think as much will happen next episode as people believe. The only events from your list that I think are plausible are Davos/Ygritte/Balon. If they did the Battle of Castle Black, it would probably take up most of the episode itself. They don't need to devote a lot of time to Balon to kill him off, and Davos could save Gendry and appeal to Stannis to go north in one episode.
I suppose it's possible that some of those other events could happen as well, but definitely not the Purple Wedding. There has been almost no build up to it, they haven't introduced Mace Tyrell or the Red Viper, and a certain amount of time needs to pass between the Red and Purple Weddings to develop some storylines. They could probably put Lady Stoneheart at the very end for a cliffhanger, but I think that would be a cheap way to do it and they should build it up for a E3 or E4 reveal next season.
I have a feeling they just transplanted the "Coldhands saves Sam from Wights" to "Coldhands saves Bran from Wights," and will do it next season after they are already north of the wall. Since Sam was talking about the door they obviously don't need him for that purpose.
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On June 06 2013 03:49 Maxyim wrote:
Episode 10 is almost certain to end with both Balon and Joffrey's death. Remember the three leeches? No way that they will leave that plotline unfinished for another 9 months.
You are almost certainly wrong.
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On June 06 2013 03:59 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 03:56 Maxyim wrote:Season 4 will be the second half of book 3? Um, no... lol, from GRRM's own blog, in regards to season 3. Show nested quote +This one will cover (roughly) the first half or thereabouts of A STORM OF SWORDS, the third novel in the series. source
Actually, now that I think about it, you are right; we are only on Chapter 52 of 8x. I suppose that means that Joffrey's death will be in mid-season 4, as they will need a few episodes for the ensuing aftermath.
Sorry guys, guess I got a little confused.
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On June 06 2013 04:04 Maxyim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 03:59 farvacola wrote:On June 06 2013 03:56 Maxyim wrote:Season 4 will be the second half of book 3? Um, no... lol, from GRRM's own blog, in regards to season 3. This one will cover (roughly) the first half or thereabouts of A STORM OF SWORDS, the third novel in the series. source Actually, now that I think about it, you are right; we are only on Chapter 52 of 8x. I suppose that means that they will end Season 4 with Joffrey's death.
I definitely hope so; I really enjoyed Martin's imagery of the wedding and how absolutely ridiculous it was in terms of opulence, and I think at least an episode or two would be needed to show that properly.
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On June 06 2013 04:06 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 04:04 Maxyim wrote:On June 06 2013 03:59 farvacola wrote:On June 06 2013 03:56 Maxyim wrote:Season 4 will be the second half of book 3? Um, no... lol, from GRRM's own blog, in regards to season 3. This one will cover (roughly) the first half or thereabouts of A STORM OF SWORDS, the third novel in the series. source Actually, now that I think about it, you are right; we are only on Chapter 52 of 8x. I suppose that means that they will end Season 4 with Joffrey's death. I definitely hope so; I really enjoyed Martin's imagery of the wedding and how absolutely ridiculous it was in terms of opulence, and I think at least an episode or two would be needed to show that properly.
I just edited my own post. It's actually more likely given the sequence of events that it will occur mid-season, as they will need to show the subsequent events related to Tyrion.
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On June 06 2013 04:03 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 03:49 Maxyim wrote:
Episode 10 is almost certain to end with both Balon and Joffrey's death. Remember the three leeches? No way that they will leave that plotline unfinished for another 9 months.
You are almost certainly wrong.
Yea unless they want to some how introduce Oberyn and the others after the wedding which wouldn't make much sense... My guess is about episode 3-4 of next season will be Joffrey's death!
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So uhm as it is kind of a principle to break the expectations the readers/viewers have, do you think there is a chance that the main storylines (North/Wall-storyline, civil war, eastern continent) might just keep touching each other only marginally for the whole reamainder of the series?
Or/and, looking at the title, in the end the whole "civilization" will be more or less destroyed and it's ice aka "the others" and fire aka dragons the only relevant remaining things, maybe each ruling one continent?
(I haven't read any of the books, but loosely followed the TV series, and do not mind getting spoiled. Sorry if some of my points are outdated.)
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My guesses for likely possibilities for next episode:
Red wedding aftermath including perhaps the escape of the Blackfish since he wasn't there at all in the books.
Bran meets Sam and goes thru the black gate.
Jon returns to castle black, and perhaps Ygritte attacks and dies.
Dany is hailed as savior of the city and called mother. Perhaps they head to Meereen.
Davos tries to convince Stannis not to sacrifice Gendry, using the arguement that Joffrey is still alive. Perhaps helps Gendry escape.
Theon finds out the identity of his captor.
Yara gets some screen time.
Arya might kill Polliver and reclaim Needle.
Jamie doesn't have any more chapters until after Joffrey's death in the books.
Tyrion and the rest of Kings Landing cast react to the Red Wedding. Perhaps Tywin shows Tyrion the swords he had made from Eddard's Valyrian steel blade. They recieve a letter from the wall saying Mormont is dead and the watch needs men. Tywin plans to send a message stating that if the Watch wants to see any men the must elect Janos Slynt as their new Lord Commander.
Littlefinger might meet with Lyssa in the vale.
Other TV only original scenes.
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So does this set up Tyrion killing Tywin as episode 9 of season 4 which I'm guessing will be named "Where do whores go?"
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On June 06 2013 04:56 NPF wrote:
So does this set up Tyrion killing Tywin as episode 9 of season 4 which I'm guessing will be named "Where do whores go?"
I think that this is the general consensus at this point.
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It partially depends on how much of Feast and Dance they decide to include next season. They said that season 3 would be half of book 3, but they never have said that season 4 will JUST be the other half. If they really plan to be all the way thru feast and dance by the end of season 5, so they can wrap up the whole series in 7 seasons , they will likely include some of those books next year. Just like they included Jamie's escape with Brienne in season 2 even though it happened in book 3.
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On June 06 2013 04:06 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 04:04 Maxyim wrote:On June 06 2013 03:59 farvacola wrote:On June 06 2013 03:56 Maxyim wrote:Season 4 will be the second half of book 3? Um, no... lol, from GRRM's own blog, in regards to season 3. This one will cover (roughly) the first half or thereabouts of A STORM OF SWORDS, the third novel in the series. source Actually, now that I think about it, you are right; we are only on Chapter 52 of 8x. I suppose that means that they will end Season 4 with Joffrey's death. I definitely hope so; I really enjoyed Martin's imagery of the wedding and how absolutely ridiculous it was in terms of opulence, and I think at least an episode or two would be needed to show that properly.
Going through 70ish dishes before Joff chokes.
I highly doubt that their plans to do 7 seasons will work, unless they chain Martin to his chair and force him to write 24/7 until he's done.
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On June 06 2013 05:24 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 04:06 farvacola wrote:On June 06 2013 04:04 Maxyim wrote:On June 06 2013 03:59 farvacola wrote:On June 06 2013 03:56 Maxyim wrote:Season 4 will be the second half of book 3? Um, no... lol, from GRRM's own blog, in regards to season 3. This one will cover (roughly) the first half or thereabouts of A STORM OF SWORDS, the third novel in the series. source Actually, now that I think about it, you are right; we are only on Chapter 52 of 8x. I suppose that means that they will end Season 4 with Joffrey's death. I definitely hope so; I really enjoyed Martin's imagery of the wedding and how absolutely ridiculous it was in terms of opulence, and I think at least an episode or two would be needed to show that properly. Going through 70ish dishes before Joff chokes. I highly doubt that their plans to do 7 seasons will work, unless they chain Martin to his chair and force him to write 24/7 until he's done.
it's never been said that the books will be done before the series - D&D know how its supposed to end so they can finish it.
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[/QUOTE] I highly doubt that their plans to do 7 seasons will work, unless they chain Martin to his chair and force him to write 24/7 until he's done. [/QUOTE]
I don't quite understand that. What has the 7 seasons do with GRRM finishing the two reimaining books?
At this point it is almost 100% certain that the show will catch up before the 7th book is finished. D&D will proprably finish it with a little bit of advising from GGRM. They already know the end after all. If the show isn't 7 seasons like it is rumored than it will be atmost 8 seasons. One more year wouldn't be really cut concerning the 7th book. The 6th book is never gonna get released 2014, maybe 2015, I would say 2016.
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There is no way the next episode is Joffrey's death. It will not happen with so little buildup.
We know from the trailer that it will show the Tywin vs Joffrey trash talk and Robb's army being slaughtered, it may include Balon's death and the Ramsey reveal (I hope so). Other major events are bound to be S4.
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On June 06 2013 05:36 Koerage wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 05:24 andrewlt wrote:On June 06 2013 04:06 farvacola wrote:On June 06 2013 04:04 Maxyim wrote:On June 06 2013 03:59 farvacola wrote:On June 06 2013 03:56 Maxyim wrote:Season 4 will be the second half of book 3? Um, no... lol, from GRRM's own blog, in regards to season 3. This one will cover (roughly) the first half or thereabouts of A STORM OF SWORDS, the third novel in the series. source Actually, now that I think about it, you are right; we are only on Chapter 52 of 8x. I suppose that means that they will end Season 4 with Joffrey's death. I definitely hope so; I really enjoyed Martin's imagery of the wedding and how absolutely ridiculous it was in terms of opulence, and I think at least an episode or two would be needed to show that properly. Going through 70ish dishes before Joff chokes. I highly doubt that their plans to do 7 seasons will work, unless they chain Martin to his chair and force him to write 24/7 until he's done. it's never been said that the books will be done before the series - D&D know how its supposed to end so they can finish it.
The details make the series, not the ending. We could have the same winner on the Iron Throne without the Battle of Blackwater, the Red Wedding, the Purple Wedding and the other memorable moments in the series. Martin has had the ending for a while now, but he admits that not even he knows how he's going to get there yet.
That said, he did churn out the first three books fairly quickly, so maybe there's hope that these can get out quickly.
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Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 05:40 dragoonier wrote:
I highly doubt that their plans to do 7 seasons will work, unless they chain Martin to his chair and force him to write 24/7 until he's done. I don't quite understand that. What has the 7 seasons do with GRRM finishing the two reimaining books? At this point it is almost 100% certain that the show will catch up before the 7th book is finished. D&D will proprably finish it with a little bit of advising from GGRM. They already know the end after all. If the show isn't 7 seasons like it is rumored than it will be atmost 8 seasons. One more year wouldn't be really cut concerning the 7th book. The 6th book is never gonna get released 2014, maybe 2015, I would say 2016.
With 7 seasons it would mean the last season would be in 2017. Considering a 2015 release for WoW, 2 years for the last book may be too little, but if they add one extra season, 2018 is possible, considering it's the last book and he should have most of the plot resolved by then.
But in truth I'm doubtful he can even finish it in 2 books.
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After I watched the preview again, I really don't know what think about Jaime Lannister. It looks like he is in house. But shouldn't he still be on the road to King's Landing? He should only arrive after the purple wedding but that is in season 4. So maybe they changed Jaime's storyline or maybe it just a random house on the road. I guess we will see.
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Super Season End Cliffhanger will be Bran/Sam/Coldhands meetup i think.
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