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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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Asol
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden109 Posts
June 04 2013 21:23 GMT
#7381
The only thing that really does support it is that the Mad King lusted after Tywins wife. Also it puts the way Tyrion was treated by his father in a different light.
Quote what?
Flyingdutchman
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands858 Posts
June 04 2013 22:47 GMT
#7382
On June 05 2013 05:33 SamsungStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 03:57 Yhamm wrote:
On June 05 2013 03:45 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On June 05 2013 03:41 Asol wrote:
What about the theory that Jon is a Targaryen? His mom was Edds sister with Rhaegar being his father. He would've been conceived during the tournament that Rhaegar won. Edd was so incredibly dutiful / mindful of honour - it doesn't make sense that he would sire a bastard. Also there are 3 dragons, Aegon the conqueror had 3 drakes, 2 for his sisters and 1 for himself.

Daenerys has 3 dragons, 1 for herself and 2 for both of her brothers... Thus a song of Ice and Fire that Rhaegar mentioned, since Jon Targaryen would represent the Ice with Daenerys being the Fire. Together they could crush the White Walkers etc. Since Jon possibly died in the last book, if he's resurrected maybe he could be free of his oath to the Nights Watch?

A friend mentioned the theory about Tyrion also being a Targaryen, thoughts?


Jon being one is a pretty common theory nowadays. Tyrion being one makes no sense. Everyone and their mother knows exactly who his parents are; Tywin even hates Tyrion for "killing" his wife.

I think there is a theory that Aerys could be his father, when he came at Casterly Rock
http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/FAQ/Entry/Who_is_Tyrions_father


Wait, WHAT? That makes ZERO sense. How exactly would Tywin's wife getting raped on her wedding night lead to the birth of Tyrion the THIRD of Tywin's children? Or did people forget that Tyrion's birth led to the death of Tywin's wife?? Did Joanna birth Cersei and Jaimie from the grave then? What kind of monkey shit is this? It's not even theoretically possible.


Aerys took liberties in the bedding cerimony, so basically copping a feel or two. Planting Tyrion in there would have happened a lot later obviously.
Carras
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina860 Posts
June 04 2013 23:13 GMT
#7383
i didnt like the Red Wdding scene, i think it could have been done much better..looked weird to me..
also, they just show how 3 guys go into Meeren and kill 10 guys, next scene they announce the city is taken...
i liked the Jon and Bran/Rickon scenes much more, and i usally hate those..
Maxyim
Profile Joined March 2012
430 Posts
June 04 2013 23:17 GMT
#7384
Carras, they said that the slaves (militia / army) threw down their arms. What would have been the value of wasting time to show the rest of the city being taken?

I doubt that Tyrion is a Targ, although I would not put it past GRRM to make it happen. More likely is that he will end up riding a dragon because of his weight / need for vantage point.

rrdz
Profile Joined February 2011
United States20 Posts
June 04 2013 23:23 GMT
#7385
Very good job on the red wedding, having robs wife in there was very surprising. The stabbing was brutal. As good or even better than in the books I only hope they dont skip having robb mockd with his wolf's head.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 04 2013 23:25 GMT
#7386
While I was happy that the Red Wedding wasn't completely shit, I was hoping it would be a lot better. With the books my head was rushing as I was frantically reading, couldn't stop until I completed that (and the next few) chapters. Reading it was exhilarating.

Watching it was... awkward... It was more of an "uhh wtf..............." than an "OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS"

The whole scene was pretty sub-par with some exceptions (Catelyn in particular was great).
lalala
jigga
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada1141 Posts
June 04 2013 23:53 GMT
#7387
On June 05 2013 08:25 youngminii wrote:
While I was happy that the Red Wedding wasn't completely shit, I was hoping it would be a lot better. With the books my head was rushing as I was frantically reading, couldn't stop until I completed that (and the next few) chapters. Reading it was exhilarating.

Watching it was... awkward... It was more of an "uhh wtf..............." than an "OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS"

The whole scene was pretty sub-par with some exceptions (Catelyn in particular was great).


I think a big part of the reason is because you have read the books and know what is coming. The tension building up to it was amazing, but I felt the same way about the event itself (slightly underwhelmed). However, after looking at the reaction videos and all the "backlash" online, I can safely say that the Red Wedding did its job well. The tv viewers would have had the same feelings as a first time book reader. Some scenes were awkward at first viewing (like Cat just standing there shocked for 10 seconds before some random Frey slits her throat), but on second viewing you realise it was done that way for dramatic effect.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11075 Posts
June 04 2013 23:56 GMT
#7388
Red Wedding was solid. Catelyn's actor was good.

I guess how they did it made sense but for some reason I was expecting a lot more noise and chaos. I guess it was shocking enough for the nnewbies though.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 00:26:18
June 05 2013 00:04 GMT
#7389
On June 05 2013 08:56 Sabu113 wrote:
Red Wedding was solid. Catelyn's actor was good.

I guess how they did it made sense but for some reason I was expecting a lot more noise and chaos. I guess it was shocking enough for the nnewbies though.


book readers should always keep in mind there is a budget to meet. little details here and there could have been done, more people, bigger set, more cgi, lightning flashing as they fought, brann's group walking across under water platform to the tower, heavy rain with visibility through flashes of lightning, grey wind killing few man at the wedding, etc. but it'll increase cost.
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kidleaderr
Profile Joined April 2013
365 Posts
June 05 2013 02:03 GMT
#7390
i was genuinely worried that they would leave out the large stark camp outside as well as arya/the hound trying to get into the wedding. i'm glad both scenes turned out well.
Zozo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil2579 Posts
June 05 2013 02:12 GMT
#7391
I like how Michelle Fairley has been giving interviews and even announced a new role right after Cat's death. Little do they know...
EGM guides me
LilClinkin
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Australia667 Posts
June 05 2013 02:19 GMT
#7392
For the most part, I enjoyed the portrayal of the red wedding.

I do wish they showed an oblique side-on shot of Bolton stabbing Robb through the heart though.
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
June 05 2013 02:26 GMT
#7393
On June 05 2013 08:25 youngminii wrote:
While I was happy that the Red Wedding wasn't completely shit, I was hoping it would be a lot better. With the books my head was rushing as I was frantically reading, couldn't stop until I completed that (and the next few) chapters. Reading it was exhilarating.

Watching it was... awkward... It was more of an "uhh wtf..............." than an "OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS"

The whole scene was pretty sub-par with some exceptions (Catelyn in particular was great).

It's almost like you already knew what was going to happen and no longer had the same emotional investment or sense of shock!
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 05 2013 02:37 GMT
#7394
On June 05 2013 11:12 Zozo wrote:
I like how Michelle Fairley has been giving interviews and even announced a new role right after Cat's death. Little do they know...


I'm wondering if Fairley will even play Stoneheart. Given her disfigured appearance, and the fact that she does not speak would you even need the same actor?

Though I would like her to, I liked her as Catelyn.
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
June 05 2013 02:46 GMT
#7395
On June 05 2013 11:12 Zozo wrote:
I like how Michelle Fairley has been giving interviews and even announced a new role right after Cat's death. Little do they know...

Episode 10 is titled after a fictional Ghiscari word for "Mother".

I wonder...
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 02:54:44
June 05 2013 02:53 GMT
#7396
On June 05 2013 11:46 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 11:12 Zozo wrote:
I like how Michelle Fairley has been giving interviews and even announced a new role right after Cat's death. Little do they know...

Episode 10 is titled after a fictional Ghiscari word for "Mother".

I wonder...


It'd be wayyy to soon to reveal her I'd say. I mean they could but that ruins the shock of it all. You need more time to miss Catelyn and not expect it, thinking she's long dead.

Actually, despite it not quite happening at this point in the book I'm wondering if they'll just skip right to Joffrey's death. The "Mother" title is either for Cersei's maternal fury at the sight of her son dying, or Daenery's image as a motherly figure to the liberated slaves (she's supposed to finish up her conquest of Yunkai next episode). Maybe both even..
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 03:14:06
June 05 2013 02:59 GMT
#7397
I think it will make more sense to show UnCat's revival than Joffrey's death. She doesn't appear until much later one, but her actual revival could be done much soone than that. It takes away some of the surprise, but also would be much more unexpected, since less people will be spoiled and you won't have issues such as people knowing the actress was casted for that season.
Joffrey's death still need more development imo.

It's more likely they will do both next season though.
Mataru
Profile Joined June 2010
Norway356 Posts
June 05 2013 03:12 GMT
#7398
Since the word is in Ghiscari it seems logical that it pertains to Dany, Joffs wedding 100% won't happen out of the blue in the 10th episode, and while UnCat very well could be revealed I don't think she will. The whole Dany being the "mother" of all the slaves she frees is a big theme in the books and that's probably what it's referencing.
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NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 03:14:32
June 05 2013 03:14 GMT
#7399
On June 05 2013 11:59 SKC wrote:
I think it will make more sense to show UnCat's revival than Joffrey's death. She doesn't appear until much later one, but her actual revival could be done much soone than that. It takes away some of the surprise, but also would be much more unexpected, since less people will be spoiled and you won't have issues as the people knowing the actress was casted for that season.
Joffrey's death still need more development imo.

It's more likely they will do both next season though.


I'm betting Joefrey dies first episode of season 4. Get all the people that stopped watching after the last episode get back into the show fast with the news of Joeffrey demise. That's how I see it. As for mother, I'm thinking more about Danny, since didn't Dario give her a a quilt of her being a virgin marie mother like woman....
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 03:15:16
June 05 2013 03:14 GMT
#7400
On June 04 2013 23:08 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 22:57 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On June 04 2013 19:47 Bagi wrote:
On June 04 2013 18:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 04 2013 17:48 Chocobo wrote:
On June 04 2013 17:20 teapot wrote:
Especially as AFFC is a plodding bore.

Really, that Brienne "arc". haha.


ADWD wasn't much better for me. I suppose it isn't impossible for them to combine books 4 and 5 into a single season... there is a LOT of fat to be trimmed, and a lot of multiple-chapter tasks that could be noticeably shortened. The time spent in Dorne could be kept to a minimum, and as far as I'm concerned they can write the rest of the Greyjoys out of the show.

But I do think the simple length of the books will still necessitate a full season each, even when condensed.

Another idea - perhaps season 4 can complete book 3 and take us into book 4... then season 5 finishes the rest of books 4 and 5. That might work out nicely for TV.



Are you insane?! I've been looking forward to Euron ever since they announced the damn thing. Euron is the most badass motherfucker, we need him so badly to balance out all the boring Dani scenes to come.

Euron is just a madman, Victarion however is pure badass.


Anyway I think they are more likely to cut Dorne instead of the Greyjoys considering how the Greyjoys might play a huge part in controlling the dragons.



Martells so far have been entirely useless. I mean the grand scheme of Doran was to keep peace with the Lannisters until Quentin can secure the dragons? This brilliant plan kind of failed when Quentin traveled over half the world only to get laughed at by Dany and then roasted by her dragons. GG great strat. At this point this entire story arc could just be cut without any impact on any of the other story lines.


That was the most disappointing story arcs for me in the series. They wait so long to introduce the mysterious Quenten, and the only thing you really hear about him beforehand is how he's being groomed for an important mission. And with a mind like Doran behind it, you feel like its going to have a legitimate chance at working.
And then you're finally introduced to him, and his character is so unfulfilling and unexceptional. And then he dies.


Random thought about the show: why don't they ever show Tyrell guards? It seems like that would be an easy way to display Tyrell power.
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