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jigga
Canada1141 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
Well, that definitely gives some hints as to what Episode 10 will bring. | ||
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TheRealPaciFist
United States1049 Posts
On June 04 2013 02:01 Zelniq wrote: seen just about every reaction video, but this new one takes the cake.. I would be SO proud to be GRRM right now. I mean, even more than usual. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
If Robb, Catelyn, Theon, or Edmure hadn't fucked up so hard, just one of them, the Red Wedding probably wouldn't have happened. ~Robb breaking his betrothal. No chance Walder Frey would have gone through with it without this condition. ~Catelyn freeing the Kingslayer, leading to the Karstark treason and desertion. Tywin wouldn't want to risk Jaime either. ~Theon sacking Winterfell and leading the realm to believe Bran/Rickon dead. Huge loss of legitimacy to their cause in addition to potential bargaining chips for Frey negotiations that could have stayed "Late" Walder's hand. ~Edmure stopping Tywin from marching west. Each one of these fuck-ups contributed to the conditions necessary for the Lannister/Frey/Bolton plot to go through. The worst part about it is how much had to go wrong for it to happen the way it did. If they just had a little better luck and any one of those four scenarios didn't go wrong, the Red Wedding probably wouldn't have happened. It's just so fucking sad still.. + Show Spoiler + Also, on a side note, if they had been more like Stannis, they wouldn't have made those mistakes. ~Stannis wouldn't break the betrothal. ~Stannis wouldn't commit treason and free a prisoner of war. ~Stannis wouldn't disobey his king (by taking Winterfell, Theon disobeyed Balon). Not to mention Stannis isn't militarily incompetent. ~Stannis wouldn't disobey his king again. And again, Stannis isn't militarily incompetent. | ||
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TheRealPaciFist
United States1049 Posts
On June 04 2013 08:48 Stratos_speAr wrote: Alright, so now that we've gotten the most gut-wrenching and uncomfortable scene in the entire series out of the way, what are the most satisfying deaths to see going to be? My votes, in order from most to not-quite-as-awesome-as-number-one-but-still-awesome 1) Lysa Arryn. You can just imagine the look on Petyr's face when he does it. 2) Tywin. The rage. 3) The Mountain. 4) Joffrey. Because fucking everyone (and their mother ^^) wants it to happen. And those that I really HOPE die in the last two books... 1) Melisandre. I don't particularly hate her, but with the annoying smug-ness she has in the Lord of Light, it would be great if she was off'd by The Others. 2) Walder Frey. The dude's a little bitch that just hides in his towers. 3) Dany. Personally, I think she's been an entitled, spoiled brat the entire series, even if I really like her in the TV show. I'd like to see her die in an epic battle while riding her dragons or something similar. I don't like the Boltons, but I don't want them to die; instead, I want them crushed and reduced to useless commoners or serfs or something similar. 1) Tywin+Shae 2) Tywin+Shae 3) Joffrey 4) Tywin+Shae 5) The Mountain 6) Tywin+Shae I agree that I don't see Dany surviving the series. I think GRRM is going to subtly hype the hope that Jon+Dany will be the end game throne couple, and just when everyone thinks it will happen shit will fall and one of them will die. Personally (as of last night, after talking with friends) I'm hoping to see a former slave sit on the iron throne, like Misandei or Grey Worm. And Tyrion as hand. On June 04 2013 11:03 Ottoxlol wrote: WHYYY? I am so fucking upset When they started to play the rains I was getting chills BUT THEN why did the music stopped? "JAMIE Lannister sends his regards" i hope they can show the wolfhead sewn onto robs torso i hope they wont ruin tywins death too the writers were like "we were looking forward to do this scene since season1" it didnt feel like theyve put too much into it Agree | ||
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OptimusYale
Korea (South)1005 Posts
Also, they should show the wolf head thing, it's part of my theory that Robb is running around fucking shit up with the wolfs head instead of someone just wearing the Dog helm  | ||
zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
On June 03 2013 11:11 NPF wrote: Funny enough I was so happy watching this with my friends girlfriend, her reaction was "I'm not watching this anymore, I can't take it" My gf said the exact same thing. She was hugely upset last night  Man that scene was well done. It had pretty much everything I wanted from it. And the silent credits - brutal. Also, big WTF at all those guys who wanted to see Greywinds head sewn onto Robb in that episode: First, we never "see" that in the books either. And second, how retarded would the episode be if after the carnage instead of credits rolling it goes on and on with Freys cleaning up their hall, burying/dumping bodies, and finally displaying Robb with the dead wolf head. There was no way that could be shown in THIS episode. We might hear about it later in the show though, just as we did in the books. | ||
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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teapot
United Kingdom266 Posts
Really, that Brienne "arc". haha. | ||
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GwSC
United States1997 Posts
On June 04 2013 17:13 PredY wrote: there's no way in hell the 7th book will be out before "last" 7th season of the show. damn it. also how do they intend to put FFC and DWD into 1 season, and then book 6 and 7 just 1 season each - we all know how they had to cut a lot of stuff from book 2 for season 2 which felt really meh for me, because a lot of stuff seemed missing. Maybe FFC/DWD will take up seasons 5/6, running parallel the whole time. Then season 7 for book 6, and 8 for book 7. That would give GRRM about 4-5 more years to get the last two books out, which he MIGHT be able to do. Maybe this has already been decided but I haven't read anything yet. | ||
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Xinder
United States2269 Posts
On June 04 2013 16:00 TheRealPaciFist wrote: I would be SO proud to be GRRM right now. I mean, even more than usual. Not to take anything away from the episode because I think for non book readers they all had shock and some cried, but do you get that particular vid may be exaggerated some for the camera? Maybe it's the cynic in me but that person was obv a youtuber of some stature b/c of the website watermark on the vid and the fact it was in 1080p. It's one thing to secretly tape your friends and almost guarantee a genuine reaction and another to tape yourself knowing you're being taped. I dunno. Either way I thought the episode was well done and very fun to see non-book readers reactions. | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On June 04 2013 17:22 GwSC wrote: Maybe FFC/DWD will take up seasons 5/6, running parallel the whole time. Then season 7 for book 6, and 8 for book 7. That would give GRRM about 4-5 more years to get the last two books out, which he MIGHT be able to do. Maybe this has already been decided but I haven't read anything yet. If they're going to make a season out of the second half of book 3, there's no way that 4 and 5 combined will be a single season. I think your prediction is exactly right, and we'll have an 8 season show. Very likely that those seasons will take content from both books, instead of ignoring some characters for a full year like the books did. I think GRRM will stop messing around as that deadline comes closer and will plow through the writing and rush out 6 and 7 just in time. And I mean honestly... there's no reason that each one of these books needs to take over three years. He only needs to speed up his current snails' pace, which shouldn't be an impossible task. | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On June 04 2013 17:20 teapot wrote: Especially as AFFC is a plodding bore. Really, that Brienne "arc". haha. ADWD wasn't much better for me. I suppose it isn't impossible for them to combine books 4 and 5 into a single season... there is a LOT of fat to be trimmed, and a lot of multiple-chapter tasks that could be noticeably shortened. The time spent in Dorne could be kept to a minimum, and as far as I'm concerned they can write the rest of the Greyjoys out of the show. But I do think the simple length of the books will still necessitate a full season each, even when condensed. Another idea - perhaps season 4 can complete book 3 and take us into book 4... then season 5 finishes the rest of books 4 and 5. That might work out nicely for TV. | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On June 04 2013 17:48 Chocobo wrote: ADWD wasn't much better for me. I suppose it isn't impossible for them to combine books 4 and 5 into a single season... there is a LOT of fat to be trimmed, and a lot of multiple-chapter tasks that could be noticeably shortened. The time spent in Dorne could be kept to a minimum, and as far as I'm concerned they can write the rest of the Greyjoys out of the show. But I do think the simple length of the books will still necessitate a full season each, even when condensed. Another idea - perhaps season 4 can complete book 3 and take us into book 4... then season 5 finishes the rest of books 4 and 5. That might work out nicely for TV. Are you insane?! I've been looking forward to Euron ever since they announced the damn thing. Euron is the most badass motherfucker, we need him so badly to balance out all the boring Dani scenes to come. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
On June 04 2013 16:28 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I'm getting closer to the RW in my reread and I've come to a conclusion. If Robb, Catelyn, Theon, or Edmure hadn't fucked up so hard, just one of them, the Red Wedding probably wouldn't have happened. ~Robb breaking his betrothal. No chance Walder Frey would have gone through with it without this condition. ~Catelyn freeing the Kingslayer, leading to the Karstark treason and desertion. Tywin wouldn't want to risk Jaime either. ~Theon sacking Winterfell and leading the realm to believe Bran/Rickon dead. Huge loss of legitimacy to their cause in addition to potential bargaining chips for Frey negotiations that could have stayed "Late" Walder's hand. ~Edmure stopping Tywin from marching west. Each one of these fuck-ups contributed to the conditions necessary for the Lannister/Frey/Bolton plot to go through. The worst part about it is how much had to go wrong for it to happen the way it did. If they just had a little better luck and any one of those four scenarios didn't go wrong, the Red Wedding probably wouldn't have happened. It's just so fucking sad still.. + Show Spoiler + Also, on a side note, if they had been more like Stannis, they wouldn't have made those mistakes. ~Stannis wouldn't break the betrothal. ~Stannis wouldn't commit treason and free a prisoner of war. ~Stannis wouldn't disobey his king (by taking Winterfell, Theon disobeyed Balon). Not to mention Stannis isn't militarily incompetent. ~Stannis wouldn't disobey his king again. And again, Stannis isn't militarily incompetent. Stannis is the best and the true king of Westeros! And yeah, Robb really did fuck up hard but not quite as bad as Jon Snow did. When Snow got iced I was like, well bud what'd you expect? | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
On June 04 2013 18:24 DarkLordOlli wrote: Wait, doesn't Joffrey bite the dust next episode? Since they showed the scene with Stannis' three wishes I'm assuming we're gonna see both Joff and Balon die in the season finale. no, joffrey's wedding is gonna happen in first half of season 4 i assume | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On June 04 2013 18:13 DarkLordOlli wrote: Are you insane?! I've been looking forward to Euron ever since they announced the damn thing. Euron is the most badass motherfucker, we need him so badly to balance out all the boring Dani scenes to come. Euron is just a madman, Victarion however is pure badass. Anyway I think they are more likely to cut Dorne instead of the Greyjoys considering how the Greyjoys might play a huge part in controlling the dragons. | ||
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zatic
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