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On June 04 2013 09:00 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 06:02 WickedBit wrote:On June 04 2013 05:51 jmack wrote:
A lot of time has been spent preparing for the "royal wedding" already this season. I would not be surprised if the last few moments are sansa running off with dontos, joffrey choking and going purple, dying while panic ensues, her climbing the ledge and swimming to the boat, baelish shoots dontos and then " The best moves are the ones no one predicts " (Whatever his quote is sorry) as the final words of the season.
After the crushing blow to the "good guy lovers" that was episode 9 a little justice in episode 10 but just as big a shock would be pretty great.
Have they already confirmed the purple wedding won't be this season? I don't see why to delay it till 404/405. Because they haven't introduced Oberyn yet. Without him in the picture who will be Tyrion's champion in his trial ? It will just be plain wierd if he gets introduced after the wedding but maybe the show writers have found a way to pull it off. Some things I feel could be a part of finale - Arya killing Hound and escaping to Braavos. This I feel is fairly likely. - Beric breathing life into Lady stoneheart but that may spoil that surprise when she meets Brienne. - Balon's death Just a thought, but the show does like to "compound" some of the characters. Bronn is a character that has done perhaps better in the show than in the books, viewers like him. In the books Bronn is kind of just weened-out of the story until he becomes a footnote. It might be better to give Bronn a "bigger exit" in the show, by having him be the unfortunate champion for Tyrion, replacing Oberyn (only this time he obviously won't be as successful as he was in the Vale). We haven't seen anything from Oberyn, it'll require a bit of time to introduce him and his motivations. Might just be easier to use Bronn and give him a definitive end. Just a theory.
Christ I hope not, this will enrage me to no end. It'll also really screw up the following season insofar as the Sand Snakes and Arianne are concerned.
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On June 04 2013 09:02 schmutttt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 08:48 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Alright, so now that we've gotten the most gut-wrenching and uncomfortable scene in the entire series out of the way, what are the most satisfying deaths to see going to be?
My votes, in order from most to not-quite-as-awesome-as-number-one-but-still-awesome
1) Lysa Arryn. You can just imagine the look on Petyr's face when he does it.
2) Tywin. The rage.
3) The Mountain.
4) Joffrey. Because fucking everyone (and their mother ^^) wants it to happen.
And those that I really HOPE die in the last two books...
1) Melisandre. I don't particularly hate her, but with the annoying smug-ness she has in the Lord of Light, it would be great if she was off'd by The Others.
2) Walder Frey. The dude's a little bitch that just hides in his towers.
3) Dany. Personally, I think she's been an entitled, spoiled brat the entire series, even if I really like her in the TV show. I'd like to see her die in an epic battle while riding her dragons or something similar.
I don't like the Boltons, but I don't want them to die; instead, I want them crushed and reduced to useless commoners or serfs or something similar. I have the same deaths as you, just in a different order. Who I'd like to see die? 1. Cersei 2. Ramsay bolton 3. Roose bolton I'd love to see littlefinger end up as a slave. God I can't stand him but death would be too good for him. I just want stannis to end up on the throne :D
Oh I have the strongest feeling ever that it's going to be a Targaryen on the throne. Jon being a Targaryen is just cool enough that it has to be true (what's that theory called? L+R=J?). It's somehow gonna either be him or Dany, although I don't know if that would actually be that satisfying or not.
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On June 04 2013 09:01 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 08:56 SKC wrote:
Joffrey will be the most satisfying death because it's Joffrey, you can't top that. It probally won't be as surprising or gruesome, but it's Joffrey.
Tywin will be really good as well because it's Tyrion. It's a great scene and you can do some really amazing stuff with that one, but even though Tywin is "hated", it will be a shame to lose such a great character, so it will have some bittersweet flavour.
The mountain's death is not good because The Mountain dies, the fight can be amazing, but the death itself isn't that remarkable, specially since he isn't even really dead for good. And it's not like he was anything but a brainless zombie with massive strenght while he was alive.
Lysa's death is cool, but I personally wouldn't put it at the level of the other ones mentioned before. I think the Mountain's death is satisfying because he dies a slow, agonizing death like vengeance would dictate. I also think Lysa's death is going to be satisfying just because her portrayal in the show is that perfect level of "really fucking annoying".
I do agree it will be satisfying, but just not to the degree that Joffrey's death will be. I don't think she is anywhere near Joffrey's annoying level, and she isn't exactly evil while he intentionally fucked with some of the most beloved characters in the series. She just doesn't get enough screen time as well.
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On June 04 2013 07:50 Acrofales wrote:This one was pretty clever: Show nested quote +
Why doesn't George R.R. Martin use twitter? Because he killed all 140 characters. #gameofthrones
those people crying on twitter, they are so annoying. they just want the predictable "good guy" wins.
When I read the books, I was shocked when the red wedding happened, but I appreciated it. Nothing like a story that really turns the tables on you.
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For the TV Show deaths:
1) Shae (HOPEFULLY they're still going along with the books with her...): This one has the potential to be very dramatic. But I'm becoming increasingly uneasy with the trajectory of her character development in the show. She actually doesn't seem like she's going to turn out to be a conniving bitch in the end.
2) Tywin: Because Dinklage and Dance are the best actors on the show and this is a pretty badass scene even in the books. I look forward to Tywin shitting himself in death ;p
3) Joffrey: You know why.
Book deaths I'd like to see:
1) Roose Bolton: Cause fuck him that's why. I hope Ramsay is the one to do it too.
2) Cersei: I actually pity Cersei more than I dislike her at this point. I'm interested to see if the prophecy of her demise turns out to be true and if Jaime is going to be the one to do it as expected
3) Daenerys: I need another omgwtf death. I don't hate her but, I really wouldn't miss her and I think her death would open up another interesting aspect of story. Things have went too well for her over all and finally her bleeding heart is coming back to bite her in the ass. She seems to be going the way of Robb and Ned.
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On June 04 2013 09:00 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 06:02 WickedBit wrote:On June 04 2013 05:51 jmack wrote:
A lot of time has been spent preparing for the "royal wedding" already this season. I would not be surprised if the last few moments are sansa running off with dontos, joffrey choking and going purple, dying while panic ensues, her climbing the ledge and swimming to the boat, baelish shoots dontos and then " The best moves are the ones no one predicts " (Whatever his quote is sorry) as the final words of the season.
After the crushing blow to the "good guy lovers" that was episode 9 a little justice in episode 10 but just as big a shock would be pretty great.
Have they already confirmed the purple wedding won't be this season? I don't see why to delay it till 404/405. Because they haven't introduced Oberyn yet. Without him in the picture who will be Tyrion's champion in his trial ? It will just be plain wierd if he gets introduced after the wedding but maybe the show writers have found a way to pull it off. Some things I feel could be a part of finale - Arya killing Hound and escaping to Braavos. This I feel is fairly likely. - Beric breathing life into Lady stoneheart but that may spoil that surprise when she meets Brienne. - Balon's death Just a thought, but the show does like to "compound" some of the characters. Bronn is a character that has done perhaps better in the show than in the books, viewers like him. In the books Bronn is kind of just weened-out of the story until he becomes a footnote. It might be better to give Bronn a "bigger exit" in the show, by having him be the unfortunate champion for Tyrion, replacing Oberyn (only this time he obviously won't be as successful as he was in the Vale). We haven't seen anything from Oberyn, it'll require a bit of time to introduce him and his motivations. Might just be easier to use Bronn and give him a definitive end. Just a theory.
I doubt they would do that. The Dornish are too pivotal to the later plot of GoT. The Martell's are one of the few loyalist houses to Targaryen. They have to be established in the TV series and Oberyn is the absolute best intro to that House. It almost immediately guarantees viewers will love the House Martell.
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On June 04 2013 09:09 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
For the TV Show deaths:
1) Shae (HOPEFULLY they're still going along with the books with her...): This one has the potential to be very dramatic. But I'm becoming increasingly uneasy with the trajectory of her character development in the show. She actually doesn't seem like she's going to turn out to be a conniving bitch in the end.
2) Tywin: Because Dinklage and Dance are the best actors on the show and this is a pretty badass scene even in the books. I look forward to Tywin shitting himself in death ;p
3) Joffrey: You know why.
Book deaths I'd like to see:
1) Roose Bolton: Cause fuck him that's why. I hope Ramsay is the one to do it too.
2) Cersei: I actually pity Cersei more than I dislike her at this point. I'm interested to see if the prophecy of her demise turns out to be true and if Jaime is going to be the one to do it as expected
3) Daenerys: I need another omgwtf death. I don't hate her but, I really wouldn't miss her and I think her death would open up another interesting aspect of story. Things have went too well for her over all and finally her bleeding heart is coming back to bite her in the ass. She seems to be going the way of Robb and Ned.
you dislike roose more than ramsay?
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On June 04 2013 09:12 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 09:09 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
For the TV Show deaths:
1) Shae (HOPEFULLY they're still going along with the books with her...): This one has the potential to be very dramatic. But I'm becoming increasingly uneasy with the trajectory of her character development in the show. She actually doesn't seem like she's going to turn out to be a conniving bitch in the end.
2) Tywin: Because Dinklage and Dance are the best actors on the show and this is a pretty badass scene even in the books. I look forward to Tywin shitting himself in death ;p
3) Joffrey: You know why.
Book deaths I'd like to see:
1) Roose Bolton: Cause fuck him that's why. I hope Ramsay is the one to do it too.
2) Cersei: I actually pity Cersei more than I dislike her at this point. I'm interested to see if the prophecy of her demise turns out to be true and if Jaime is going to be the one to do it as expected
3) Daenerys: I need another omgwtf death. I don't hate her but, I really wouldn't miss her and I think her death would open up another interesting aspect of story. Things have went too well for her over all and finally her bleeding heart is coming back to bite her in the ass. She seems to be going the way of Robb and Ned. you dislike roose more than ramsay?
Well, Ramsey can't really do anything by himself and if you kill Roose, Ramsey is probally fucked as well, so I can see his point. It's Roose that gives Ramsey the people to do what he does. You could say he is equally sick but not insane.
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On June 04 2013 09:14 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 09:12 jj33 wrote:On June 04 2013 09:09 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
For the TV Show deaths:
1) Shae (HOPEFULLY they're still going along with the books with her...): This one has the potential to be very dramatic. But I'm becoming increasingly uneasy with the trajectory of her character development in the show. She actually doesn't seem like she's going to turn out to be a conniving bitch in the end.
2) Tywin: Because Dinklage and Dance are the best actors on the show and this is a pretty badass scene even in the books. I look forward to Tywin shitting himself in death ;p
3) Joffrey: You know why.
Book deaths I'd like to see:
1) Roose Bolton: Cause fuck him that's why. I hope Ramsay is the one to do it too.
2) Cersei: I actually pity Cersei more than I dislike her at this point. I'm interested to see if the prophecy of her demise turns out to be true and if Jaime is going to be the one to do it as expected
3) Daenerys: I need another omgwtf death. I don't hate her but, I really wouldn't miss her and I think her death would open up another interesting aspect of story. Things have went too well for her over all and finally her bleeding heart is coming back to bite her in the ass. She seems to be going the way of Robb and Ned. you dislike roose more than ramsay? Well, Ramsey can't really do anything by himself and if you kill Roose, Ramsey is probally fucked as well, so I can see his point. It's Roose that gives Ramsey the people to do what he does. You could say he is equally sick but not insane.
Exactly. Ramsay finally bites the hand that feeds him and that entire faction goes to shit with Stannis coming in on clean up duty :D
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On June 04 2013 09:14 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 09:12 jj33 wrote:On June 04 2013 09:09 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
For the TV Show deaths:
1) Shae (HOPEFULLY they're still going along with the books with her...): This one has the potential to be very dramatic. But I'm becoming increasingly uneasy with the trajectory of her character development in the show. She actually doesn't seem like she's going to turn out to be a conniving bitch in the end.
2) Tywin: Because Dinklage and Dance are the best actors on the show and this is a pretty badass scene even in the books. I look forward to Tywin shitting himself in death ;p
3) Joffrey: You know why.
Book deaths I'd like to see:
1) Roose Bolton: Cause fuck him that's why. I hope Ramsay is the one to do it too.
2) Cersei: I actually pity Cersei more than I dislike her at this point. I'm interested to see if the prophecy of her demise turns out to be true and if Jaime is going to be the one to do it as expected
3) Daenerys: I need another omgwtf death. I don't hate her but, I really wouldn't miss her and I think her death would open up another interesting aspect of story. Things have went too well for her over all and finally her bleeding heart is coming back to bite her in the ass. She seems to be going the way of Robb and Ned. you dislike roose more than ramsay? Well, Ramsey can't really do anything by himself and if you kill Roose, Ramsey is probally fucked as well, so I can see his point. It's Roose that gives Ramsey the people to do what he does. You could say he is equally sick but not insane.
well considering ramsay is a Bolton and not a snow now, he is the inheritee of roose Bolton's titles etc.
I sort of like roose, he is a good villain. Ramsay is just a sadist.
I can't wait for the upcoming clash between Stannis and the Bolton/Freys. Also Lord Manderly is badass.
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Yeah, it was just a sudden theory I had thinking about Bronn, that I now realize would make more problems than it solves.
Mostly I hope the show gives Bronn some more continuation than the books did.
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On June 04 2013 09:20 Leporello wrote:
Yeah, it was just a sudden theory I had thinking about Bronn, that I now realize would make more problems than it solves.
Mostly I hope the show gives Bronn some more continuation than the books did.
I agree, the show really did a nice job of dressing up a character that the books really minimized over time. He definitely deserves some sort of fitting exit.
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On June 04 2013 09:18 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 09:14 SKC wrote:On June 04 2013 09:12 jj33 wrote:On June 04 2013 09:09 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
For the TV Show deaths:
1) Shae (HOPEFULLY they're still going along with the books with her...): This one has the potential to be very dramatic. But I'm becoming increasingly uneasy with the trajectory of her character development in the show. She actually doesn't seem like she's going to turn out to be a conniving bitch in the end.
2) Tywin: Because Dinklage and Dance are the best actors on the show and this is a pretty badass scene even in the books. I look forward to Tywin shitting himself in death ;p
3) Joffrey: You know why.
Book deaths I'd like to see:
1) Roose Bolton: Cause fuck him that's why. I hope Ramsay is the one to do it too.
2) Cersei: I actually pity Cersei more than I dislike her at this point. I'm interested to see if the prophecy of her demise turns out to be true and if Jaime is going to be the one to do it as expected
3) Daenerys: I need another omgwtf death. I don't hate her but, I really wouldn't miss her and I think her death would open up another interesting aspect of story. Things have went too well for her over all and finally her bleeding heart is coming back to bite her in the ass. She seems to be going the way of Robb and Ned. you dislike roose more than ramsay? Well, Ramsey can't really do anything by himself and if you kill Roose, Ramsey is probally fucked as well, so I can see his point. It's Roose that gives Ramsey the people to do what he does. You could say he is equally sick but not insane. well considering ramsay is a Bolton and not a snow now, he is the inheritee of roose Bolton's titles etc. I sort of like roose, he is a good villain. Ramsay is just a sadist. I can't wait for the upcoming clash between Stannis and the Bolton/Freys. Also Lord Manderly is badass.
Yeah, but Ramsey would probally be as bad as Joffrey as a leader. His house would be doomed. Roose is a good character, like Tywin is, but that doesn't mean a lot of people wouldn't love to see him die.
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On June 04 2013 09:21 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 09:20 Leporello wrote:
Yeah, it was just a sudden theory I had thinking about Bronn, that I now realize would make more problems than it solves.
Mostly I hope the show gives Bronn some more continuation than the books did. I agree, the show really did a nice job of dressing up a character that the books really minimized over time. He definitely deserves some sort of fitting exit.
Wildling to southern sellsword to knight to minor lord already, and with competence and charisma. The man should end up with a nice iron chair I say.
If LF gets steamrolled as he seems likely to be anyway. Otherwise I still like LF most for the throne.
If they cut Oberyn then they cut Dorne, and if they cut Dorne then why include the other large yet less important tangential plotline of the Iron Islands, and if they cut those then books 4 and 5 are only a season of content combined. The story gets worse and they lose all hope of staying behind Martin. Cutting Oberyn would be the first domino in a very bad chain of changes.
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On June 04 2013 09:00 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 06:02 WickedBit wrote:On June 04 2013 05:51 jmack wrote:
A lot of time has been spent preparing for the "royal wedding" already this season. I would not be surprised if the last few moments are sansa running off with dontos, joffrey choking and going purple, dying while panic ensues, her climbing the ledge and swimming to the boat, baelish shoots dontos and then " The best moves are the ones no one predicts " (Whatever his quote is sorry) as the final words of the season.
After the crushing blow to the "good guy lovers" that was episode 9 a little justice in episode 10 but just as big a shock would be pretty great.
Have they already confirmed the purple wedding won't be this season? I don't see why to delay it till 404/405. Because they haven't introduced Oberyn yet. Without him in the picture who will be Tyrion's champion in his trial ? It will just be plain wierd if he gets introduced after the wedding but maybe the show writers have found a way to pull it off. Some things I feel could be a part of finale - Arya killing Hound and escaping to Braavos. This I feel is fairly likely. - Beric breathing life into Lady stoneheart but that may spoil that surprise when she meets Brienne. - Balon's death Just a thought, but the show does like to "compound" some of the characters. Bronn is a character that has done perhaps better in the show than in the books, viewers like him. In the books Bronn is kind of just weened-out of the story until he becomes a footnote. It might be better to give Bronn a "bigger exit" in the show, by having him be the unfortunate champion for Tyrion, replacing Oberyn (only this time he obviously won't be as successful as he was in the Vale). We haven't seen anything from Oberyn, it'll require a bit of time to introduce him and his motivations. Might just be easier to use Bronn and give him a definitive end. Just a theory.
We need the red viper off the stage so that the Dorne's inexperienced next generation gets a crack at intrigue.
Plus the Red Viper is such a rich character and teases at this whole land that we've barely seen or heard of. I think they don't mess with that arrangement.
Besides, like as not, if Bronn is killin Cersei's men and naming children after Tyrion, he'll probably show up again somewhere even if it's a small cameo.
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On June 04 2013 09:21 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 09:20 Leporello wrote:
Yeah, it was just a sudden theory I had thinking about Bronn, that I now realize would make more problems than it solves.
Mostly I hope the show gives Bronn some more continuation than the books did. I agree, the show really did a nice job of dressing up a character that the books really minimized over time. He definitely deserves some sort of fitting exit.
Who is to say that Bronn won't make a triumphant return to the series when Tyrion comes back to Westeros? When we last left him, he was Lord Protector of House Stokeworth and their holdings, no? He could amass more power by the time Tyrion is back.
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On June 04 2013 09:52 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 09:21 farvacola wrote:On June 04 2013 09:20 Leporello wrote:
Yeah, it was just a sudden theory I had thinking about Bronn, that I now realize would make more problems than it solves.
Mostly I hope the show gives Bronn some more continuation than the books did. I agree, the show really did a nice job of dressing up a character that the books really minimized over time. He definitely deserves some sort of fitting exit. Who is to say that Bronn won't make a triumphant return to the series when Tyrion comes back to Westeros? When we last left him, he was Lord Protector of House Stokeworth and their holdings, no? He could amass more power by the time Tyrion is back.
The fact he is such a better character in the show may even affect what Martin writes about him in the next books.
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On June 04 2013 09:52 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 09:21 farvacola wrote:On June 04 2013 09:20 Leporello wrote:
Yeah, it was just a sudden theory I had thinking about Bronn, that I now realize would make more problems than it solves.
Mostly I hope the show gives Bronn some more continuation than the books did. I agree, the show really did a nice job of dressing up a character that the books really minimized over time. He definitely deserves some sort of fitting exit. Who is to say that Bronn won't make a triumphant return to the series when Tyrion comes back to Westeros? When we last left him, he was Lord Protector of House Stokeworth and their holdings, no? He could amass more power by the time Tyrion is back.
That would be fucking awesome! Yet another reason to await the next book with ever increasing anxiety.
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On June 04 2013 09:54 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 09:52 Dosey wrote:On June 04 2013 09:21 farvacola wrote:On June 04 2013 09:20 Leporello wrote:
Yeah, it was just a sudden theory I had thinking about Bronn, that I now realize would make more problems than it solves.
Mostly I hope the show gives Bronn some more continuation than the books did. I agree, the show really did a nice job of dressing up a character that the books really minimized over time. He definitely deserves some sort of fitting exit. Who is to say that Bronn won't make a triumphant return to the series when Tyrion comes back to Westeros? When we last left him, he was Lord Protector of House Stokeworth and their holdings, no? He could amass more power by the time Tyrion is back. The fact he is such a better character in the show may even affect what Martin writes about him in the next books.
Martin has stated umpteenmilliontimes that he will not change his story based off of character reception or fan-theories.
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On June 04 2013 09:57 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 09:54 SKC wrote:On June 04 2013 09:52 Dosey wrote:On June 04 2013 09:21 farvacola wrote:On June 04 2013 09:20 Leporello wrote:
Yeah, it was just a sudden theory I had thinking about Bronn, that I now realize would make more problems than it solves.
Mostly I hope the show gives Bronn some more continuation than the books did. I agree, the show really did a nice job of dressing up a character that the books really minimized over time. He definitely deserves some sort of fitting exit. Who is to say that Bronn won't make a triumphant return to the series when Tyrion comes back to Westeros? When we last left him, he was Lord Protector of House Stokeworth and their holdings, no? He could amass more power by the time Tyrion is back. The fact he is such a better character in the show may even affect what Martin writes about him in the next books. Martin has stated umpteenmilliontimes that he will not change his story based off of character reception or fan-theories.
That means he won't do what people ask or try to dodge the popular theories and stuff. Everything he sees should affect him in some level, it's not out of this world to expect that working with the HBO crew may have given him diferent ideas.
Just because he said he won't do anything to please or displease fans specifically doesn't mean that the show will not affect his writing in any way. Those kind of comments are more in line with him giving more chapters to fan favorites, avoiding killing a favorite character (or the opposite) or changing his mind about a plot twist if people see it coming.
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