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The 2 biggest ones for me:
- Ned find Lyanna dying in a bed of blood
- House of the undying: "A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness"
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On April 26 2013 23:31 sung_moon wrote:
I don't recall anyone mentioning those two getting married. Regardless, Jon being a bastard nullifies his "claim" behind Dany's.
And no, I thought its been discussed before what Dany did at end of Book 1 was an act of miracle, not some passive trait that all true Targs cannot be hurt by fire.
Also Varys knows many things, but I highly doubt anybody but Howland Reed at this point can truly confirm if Jon is a Targ.
You are forgetting 2 people that might have/will have knowledge of jon's parentage, bloodraven and more importantly, bran
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On April 27 2013 03:19 N1k0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 23:31 sung_moon wrote:
I don't recall anyone mentioning those two getting married. Regardless, Jon being a bastard nullifies his "claim" behind Dany's.
And no, I thought its been discussed before what Dany did at end of Book 1 was an act of miracle, not some passive trait that all true Targs cannot be hurt by fire.
Also Varys knows many things, but I highly doubt anybody but Howland Reed at this point can truly confirm if Jon is a Targ. You are forgetting 2 people that might have/will have knowledge of jon's parentage, bloodraven and more importantly, bran
So Bran will show up to Jon in a dream as Jon's unconscious from the stabbing and tell him that he's R+J's child somehow?
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On April 27 2013 01:03 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 00:03 ZasZ. wrote:On April 26 2013 23:18 Skilledblob wrote:Ned himself had dark hair as far as I recall, so that's hardly a reason. in ADwD I think it's Jon Connington remembers about Roberts rebellion and he specifically states that Ned Stark was hiding in the Vale waiting for a boat to bring him the the North and in that time he farthered a child which he took with him. Connington also says that the fisherwoman that brings him to the North is the mother. I am much more inclined to believe Connington here instead of all those theories and wishful thinking. The biggest problem is the timeline. When Connington is right Ned farthered Jon in the vale with the fisherwoman at the beginning of the rebellion and after the rebellion he went for the boy and brought him to the north. On the other hand we dont know anything with any certainty about Lyanna and Rhaegar. What we do know is the he kidnapped her and that she died shortly before the rebellion ended. With Robert and Connington we have sources who explicitly state that Jon is Neds bastard. Lyanna and Rhaegar is wishful thinking. On April 26 2013 23:10 risk.nuke wrote:
Jons parents have been to 99% confirmed to be Lyanna and Rheagar. Lets not pretend anything else.
confirmed by whom? Why would you believe the word of Connington? He is a character only recently introduced to the story, who was on the opposite side of Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon with no real inside information to the events that occurred. His word is just as good as everyone else's who say that Jon is the bastard son of Ned Stark and Ashara Dayne or Wylla or this fisherwoman. Here are the facts that we know: 1) Ned comes back from Robert's Rebellion with a child that he claims to be his bastard son, but will not reveal any information to anyone about the identity of the mother. 2) Ned made some sort of promise to Lyanna, before she died, that haunts him right up until his death in A Game of Thrones. 3) There is no confirmation in the book (yet) about Rhaegar and Lyanna being Jon's parents, but there are plenty of overt and subtle hints, which we know GRRM loves to use to foreshadow future reveals. When all of these hints are put together, the R+L=J theory starts to make more sense than any of the theories actually provided by characters in the books, which are speculation as well. GRRM could of course throw everyone a curveball and not take it that route, but our "wishful thinking" is just as grounded in the reality of the story as Robert and Connington's "accounts," since they are both biased and were both not present at either Jon's birth or the death of Lyanna. When Howland Reed confirms that Jon is not Lyanna's son, then you might have some evidence that has more weight than the wishful thinking of fans. Right now it is all speculation, one way or the other. So I agree that Jon's parents are R and L. That's the most believable theory given all the evidence we have so far. But I've always wondered what really happened with Ashara? We know that she danced with Ned at the tourney at Harrenhal. We know that Ned and Selmy were both infatuated with her. After which she was "dishonored". Selmy believes she gave birth to a stillborn child and then jumped off to her doom. There are theories out there that she's still alive (maybe even posing as the Setpa Lemore) but that seems really unlikely to me. What do you guys think is the best theory on what happened with her?
Well we assume she threw herself from the cliff because of a broken heart. She could have had her heart broken from 2 things: the death of her beloved brother Arthur Dayne during the war or because she was in love with Ned. I assume Ned went to starfall to tell ashara that he was going back to his wife. I think he loved ashara but because of his honor and what he seen happen after someone runs away and follows their heart he lets her go. So she jumps off the cliff in despair. Ned being in starfall with Jon at the time also explains why Edrick? Storm tells arya him and Jon are milk brothers. Ned being there with a newborn without a mother of course he would need nourishment.
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On April 27 2013 03:36 tshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 03:19 N1k0 wrote:On April 26 2013 23:31 sung_moon wrote:
I don't recall anyone mentioning those two getting married. Regardless, Jon being a bastard nullifies his "claim" behind Dany's.
And no, I thought its been discussed before what Dany did at end of Book 1 was an act of miracle, not some passive trait that all true Targs cannot be hurt by fire.
Also Varys knows many things, but I highly doubt anybody but Howland Reed at this point can truly confirm if Jon is a Targ. You are forgetting 2 people that might have/will have knowledge of jon's parentage, bloodraven and more importantly, bran So Bran will show up to Jon in a dream as Jon's unconscious from the stabbing and tell him that he's R+J's child somehow?
Correction I have heard that Jon last thought was of Ghost. Like the Warg before in the intro Jon will more then likely enter into Ghost body, then Melissandre will patch up Jon body and try to take his consciousness and place him back into Jon body. Or Melissandre will talk to Bran and he'll do it; since, it looks like Bran & Melissandre are the two "prophets" of the opposing sides.
So somehow Bran will tell him.
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On April 27 2013 03:19 N1k0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 23:31 sung_moon wrote:
I don't recall anyone mentioning those two getting married. Regardless, Jon being a bastard nullifies his "claim" behind Dany's.
And no, I thought its been discussed before what Dany did at end of Book 1 was an act of miracle, not some passive trait that all true Targs cannot be hurt by fire.
Also Varys knows many things, but I highly doubt anybody but Howland Reed at this point can truly confirm if Jon is a Targ. You are forgetting 2 people that might have/will have knowledge of jon's parentage, bloodraven and more importantly, bran
If R+L=J, then the only person who knows the truth is Howland Reed.
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On April 27 2013 04:19 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 03:19 N1k0 wrote:On April 26 2013 23:31 sung_moon wrote:
I don't recall anyone mentioning those two getting married. Regardless, Jon being a bastard nullifies his "claim" behind Dany's.
And no, I thought its been discussed before what Dany did at end of Book 1 was an act of miracle, not some passive trait that all true Targs cannot be hurt by fire.
Also Varys knows many things, but I highly doubt anybody but Howland Reed at this point can truly confirm if Jon is a Targ. You are forgetting 2 people that might have/will have knowledge of jon's parentage, bloodraven and more importantly, bran If R+L=J, then the only person who knows the truth is Howland Reed.
Any Greenseer could find out too. Like Bran.
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Bran would know, he can hear everyone who's ever prayed to a weir wood or see what's happened in front of weir woods. Eddard would have said something in front of one, or maybe even Howland has. Maybe even Lyanna, I know her and Rhargar met at the tourney at harenhall and I don't think there are any weir woods south of that so that's probably wrong. He will know for sure though because of Edwards prayers. Well probably get a chapter next book where bran sees him praying.
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On April 27 2013 04:25 Doppelganger wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 04:19 moopie wrote:On April 27 2013 03:19 N1k0 wrote:On April 26 2013 23:31 sung_moon wrote:
I don't recall anyone mentioning those two getting married. Regardless, Jon being a bastard nullifies his "claim" behind Dany's.
And no, I thought its been discussed before what Dany did at end of Book 1 was an act of miracle, not some passive trait that all true Targs cannot be hurt by fire.
Also Varys knows many things, but I highly doubt anybody but Howland Reed at this point can truly confirm if Jon is a Targ. You are forgetting 2 people that might have/will have knowledge of jon's parentage, bloodraven and more importantly, bran If R+L=J, then the only person who knows the truth is Howland Reed. Any Greenseer could find out too. Like Bran.
Any greenseer MIGHT see it. I don't think just because Bran and Bloodraven are greenseers that they automatically know every single thing that has ever happened in front of a Weirwood.
Howland is the only one who was there and is still alive (presumably). Bloodraven and Bran might know, or they might not.
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On April 27 2013 04:31 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 04:25 Doppelganger wrote:On April 27 2013 04:19 moopie wrote:On April 27 2013 03:19 N1k0 wrote:On April 26 2013 23:31 sung_moon wrote:
I don't recall anyone mentioning those two getting married. Regardless, Jon being a bastard nullifies his "claim" behind Dany's.
And no, I thought its been discussed before what Dany did at end of Book 1 was an act of miracle, not some passive trait that all true Targs cannot be hurt by fire.
Also Varys knows many things, but I highly doubt anybody but Howland Reed at this point can truly confirm if Jon is a Targ. You are forgetting 2 people that might have/will have knowledge of jon's parentage, bloodraven and more importantly, bran If R+L=J, then the only person who knows the truth is Howland Reed. Any Greenseer could find out too. Like Bran. Any greenseer MIGHT see it. I don't think just because Bran and Bloodraven are greenseers that they automatically know every single thing that has ever happened in front of a Weirwood. Howland is the only one who was there and is still alive (presumably). Bloodraven and Bran might know, or they might not.
I have heard theories (or maybe they are facts from Drunken Egg Tales (or a name like that)) that Bloodraven is infact a Blackfyre.
So he would be interested in that particular bloodline
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On April 27 2013 04:16 NPF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 03:36 tshi wrote:On April 27 2013 03:19 N1k0 wrote:On April 26 2013 23:31 sung_moon wrote:
I don't recall anyone mentioning those two getting married. Regardless, Jon being a bastard nullifies his "claim" behind Dany's.
And no, I thought its been discussed before what Dany did at end of Book 1 was an act of miracle, not some passive trait that all true Targs cannot be hurt by fire.
Also Varys knows many things, but I highly doubt anybody but Howland Reed at this point can truly confirm if Jon is a Targ. You are forgetting 2 people that might have/will have knowledge of jon's parentage, bloodraven and more importantly, bran So Bran will show up to Jon in a dream as Jon's unconscious from the stabbing and tell him that he's R+J's child somehow? Correction I have heard that Jon last thought was of Ghost. Like the Warg before in the intro Jon will more then likely enter into Ghost body, then Melissandre will patch up Jon body and try to take his consciousness and place him back into Jon body. Or Melissandre will talk to Bran and he'll do it; since, it looks like Bran & Melissandre are the two "prophets" of the opposing sides. So somehow Bran will tell him.
Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger's hilt and wrenched it free. In the cold night air the wound was smoking. "Ghost," he whispered. Pain washed over him. Stick them with the pointy end. When the third dagger took him between the shoulder blades, he gave a grunt and fell face-first into the snow. He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold . . .
Technically his last thought is "Stick them with the pointy end" but his last word is "Ghost". Really this paragraph is pretty ingeniously designed to throw the reader all kinds of hints about what could happen to Jon, without actually revealing anything. The Ghost thing would point to him Warging while the smoking wound would point to him being Azor Ahai or possibly Targaeryen. GRRM was very careful not to give it away.
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On April 27 2013 04:39 Flik wrote:
Bran would know, he can hear everyone who's ever prayed to a weir wood or see what's happened in front of weir woods. Eddard would have said something in front of one, or maybe even Howland has. Maybe even Lyanna, I know her and Rhargar met at the tourney at harenhall and I don't think there are any weir woods south of that so that's probably wrong. He will know for sure though because of Edwards prayers. Well probably get a chapter next book where bran sees him praying.
...you posted that already o_0
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On April 27 2013 04:37 NPF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 04:31 moopie wrote:On April 27 2013 04:25 Doppelganger wrote:On April 27 2013 04:19 moopie wrote:On April 27 2013 03:19 N1k0 wrote:On April 26 2013 23:31 sung_moon wrote:
I don't recall anyone mentioning those two getting married. Regardless, Jon being a bastard nullifies his "claim" behind Dany's.
And no, I thought its been discussed before what Dany did at end of Book 1 was an act of miracle, not some passive trait that all true Targs cannot be hurt by fire.
Also Varys knows many things, but I highly doubt anybody but Howland Reed at this point can truly confirm if Jon is a Targ. You are forgetting 2 people that might have/will have knowledge of jon's parentage, bloodraven and more importantly, bran If R+L=J, then the only person who knows the truth is Howland Reed. Any Greenseer could find out too. Like Bran. Any greenseer MIGHT see it. I don't think just because Bran and Bloodraven are greenseers that they automatically know every single thing that has ever happened in front of a Weirwood. Howland is the only one who was there and is still alive (presumably). Bloodraven and Bran might know, or they might not. I have heard theories (or maybe they are facts from Drunken Egg Tales (or a name like that)) that Bloodraven is infact a Blackfyre. So he would be interested in that particular bloodline
Dunk and Egg*
Bloodraven was one of the great bastards and a half brother to Daemon Blackfyre (who was the first Blackfyre). He is the one character where "secret Blackfyre" doesn't apply.
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On April 27 2013 04:15 Flik wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 01:03 c0ldfusion wrote:On April 27 2013 00:03 ZasZ. wrote:On April 26 2013 23:18 Skilledblob wrote:Ned himself had dark hair as far as I recall, so that's hardly a reason. in ADwD I think it's Jon Connington remembers about Roberts rebellion and he specifically states that Ned Stark was hiding in the Vale waiting for a boat to bring him the the North and in that time he farthered a child which he took with him. Connington also says that the fisherwoman that brings him to the North is the mother. I am much more inclined to believe Connington here instead of all those theories and wishful thinking. The biggest problem is the timeline. When Connington is right Ned farthered Jon in the vale with the fisherwoman at the beginning of the rebellion and after the rebellion he went for the boy and brought him to the north. On the other hand we dont know anything with any certainty about Lyanna and Rhaegar. What we do know is the he kidnapped her and that she died shortly before the rebellion ended. With Robert and Connington we have sources who explicitly state that Jon is Neds bastard. Lyanna and Rhaegar is wishful thinking. On April 26 2013 23:10 risk.nuke wrote:
Jons parents have been to 99% confirmed to be Lyanna and Rheagar. Lets not pretend anything else.
confirmed by whom? Why would you believe the word of Connington? He is a character only recently introduced to the story, who was on the opposite side of Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon with no real inside information to the events that occurred. His word is just as good as everyone else's who say that Jon is the bastard son of Ned Stark and Ashara Dayne or Wylla or this fisherwoman. Here are the facts that we know: 1) Ned comes back from Robert's Rebellion with a child that he claims to be his bastard son, but will not reveal any information to anyone about the identity of the mother. 2) Ned made some sort of promise to Lyanna, before she died, that haunts him right up until his death in A Game of Thrones. 3) There is no confirmation in the book (yet) about Rhaegar and Lyanna being Jon's parents, but there are plenty of overt and subtle hints, which we know GRRM loves to use to foreshadow future reveals. When all of these hints are put together, the R+L=J theory starts to make more sense than any of the theories actually provided by characters in the books, which are speculation as well. GRRM could of course throw everyone a curveball and not take it that route, but our "wishful thinking" is just as grounded in the reality of the story as Robert and Connington's "accounts," since they are both biased and were both not present at either Jon's birth or the death of Lyanna. When Howland Reed confirms that Jon is not Lyanna's son, then you might have some evidence that has more weight than the wishful thinking of fans. Right now it is all speculation, one way or the other. So I agree that Jon's parents are R and L. That's the most believable theory given all the evidence we have so far. But I've always wondered what really happened with Ashara? We know that she danced with Ned at the tourney at Harrenhal. We know that Ned and Selmy were both infatuated with her. After which she was "dishonored". Selmy believes she gave birth to a stillborn child and then jumped off to her doom. There are theories out there that she's still alive (maybe even posing as the Setpa Lemore) but that seems really unlikely to me. What do you guys think is the best theory on what happened with her? Well we assume she threw herself from the cliff because of a broken heart. She could have had her heart broken from 2 things: the death of her beloved brother Arthur Dayne during the war or because she was in love with Ned. I assume Ned went to starfall to tell ashara that he was going back to his wife. I think he loved ashara but because of his honor and what he seen happen after someone runs away and follows their heart he lets her go. So she jumps off the cliff in despair. Ned being in starfall with Jon at the time also explains why Edrick? Storm tells arya him and Jon are milk brothers. Ned being there with a newborn without a mother of course he would need nourishment.
But then who "dishonored" her? Couldn't have been Ned right? I mean that would go completely contrary to his character.
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Does nobody else think that Jon's wound is smoking because it's really cold at the wall and blood is warm and not because he has some magic?
Also Melisandre could easily be the one to find out about Jon's parents. If he is Rhaegar's son, she will be able to use his blood for her magic. If she can't do that, then he is probably not Rhaegar's.
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On April 27 2013 05:18 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 04:15 Flik wrote:On April 27 2013 01:03 c0ldfusion wrote:On April 27 2013 00:03 ZasZ. wrote:On April 26 2013 23:18 Skilledblob wrote:Ned himself had dark hair as far as I recall, so that's hardly a reason. in ADwD I think it's Jon Connington remembers about Roberts rebellion and he specifically states that Ned Stark was hiding in the Vale waiting for a boat to bring him the the North and in that time he farthered a child which he took with him. Connington also says that the fisherwoman that brings him to the North is the mother. I am much more inclined to believe Connington here instead of all those theories and wishful thinking. The biggest problem is the timeline. When Connington is right Ned farthered Jon in the vale with the fisherwoman at the beginning of the rebellion and after the rebellion he went for the boy and brought him to the north. On the other hand we dont know anything with any certainty about Lyanna and Rhaegar. What we do know is the he kidnapped her and that she died shortly before the rebellion ended. With Robert and Connington we have sources who explicitly state that Jon is Neds bastard. Lyanna and Rhaegar is wishful thinking. On April 26 2013 23:10 risk.nuke wrote:
Jons parents have been to 99% confirmed to be Lyanna and Rheagar. Lets not pretend anything else.
confirmed by whom? Why would you believe the word of Connington? He is a character only recently introduced to the story, who was on the opposite side of Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon with no real inside information to the events that occurred. His word is just as good as everyone else's who say that Jon is the bastard son of Ned Stark and Ashara Dayne or Wylla or this fisherwoman. Here are the facts that we know: 1) Ned comes back from Robert's Rebellion with a child that he claims to be his bastard son, but will not reveal any information to anyone about the identity of the mother. 2) Ned made some sort of promise to Lyanna, before she died, that haunts him right up until his death in A Game of Thrones. 3) There is no confirmation in the book (yet) about Rhaegar and Lyanna being Jon's parents, but there are plenty of overt and subtle hints, which we know GRRM loves to use to foreshadow future reveals. When all of these hints are put together, the R+L=J theory starts to make more sense than any of the theories actually provided by characters in the books, which are speculation as well. GRRM could of course throw everyone a curveball and not take it that route, but our "wishful thinking" is just as grounded in the reality of the story as Robert and Connington's "accounts," since they are both biased and were both not present at either Jon's birth or the death of Lyanna. When Howland Reed confirms that Jon is not Lyanna's son, then you might have some evidence that has more weight than the wishful thinking of fans. Right now it is all speculation, one way or the other. So I agree that Jon's parents are R and L. That's the most believable theory given all the evidence we have so far. But I've always wondered what really happened with Ashara? We know that she danced with Ned at the tourney at Harrenhal. We know that Ned and Selmy were both infatuated with her. After which she was "dishonored". Selmy believes she gave birth to a stillborn child and then jumped off to her doom. There are theories out there that she's still alive (maybe even posing as the Setpa Lemore) but that seems really unlikely to me. What do you guys think is the best theory on what happened with her? Well we assume she threw herself from the cliff because of a broken heart. She could have had her heart broken from 2 things: the death of her beloved brother Arthur Dayne during the war or because she was in love with Ned. I assume Ned went to starfall to tell ashara that he was going back to his wife. I think he loved ashara but because of his honor and what he seen happen after someone runs away and follows their heart he lets her go. So she jumps off the cliff in despair. Ned being in starfall with Jon at the time also explains why Edrick? Storm tells arya him and Jon are milk brothers. Ned being there with a newborn without a mother of course he would need nourishment. But then who "dishonored" her? Couldn't have been Ned right? I mean that would go completely contrary to his character.
Apparently to very more attentive people then me, Ashara Dayne danced with Ned only because Brandon asked her. She also danced with Brandon. The general take is she actually fancied Brandon; moreover, he railed her before getting killed. Thus why Ned went and saw her; since, she had Brandon child, and it would be Ned sense of duty to help her and get baby Jon some grub.
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On April 27 2013 05:50 NPF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 05:18 c0ldfusion wrote:On April 27 2013 04:15 Flik wrote:On April 27 2013 01:03 c0ldfusion wrote:On April 27 2013 00:03 ZasZ. wrote:On April 26 2013 23:18 Skilledblob wrote:Ned himself had dark hair as far as I recall, so that's hardly a reason. in ADwD I think it's Jon Connington remembers about Roberts rebellion and he specifically states that Ned Stark was hiding in the Vale waiting for a boat to bring him the the North and in that time he farthered a child which he took with him. Connington also says that the fisherwoman that brings him to the North is the mother. I am much more inclined to believe Connington here instead of all those theories and wishful thinking. The biggest problem is the timeline. When Connington is right Ned farthered Jon in the vale with the fisherwoman at the beginning of the rebellion and after the rebellion he went for the boy and brought him to the north. On the other hand we dont know anything with any certainty about Lyanna and Rhaegar. What we do know is the he kidnapped her and that she died shortly before the rebellion ended. With Robert and Connington we have sources who explicitly state that Jon is Neds bastard. Lyanna and Rhaegar is wishful thinking. On April 26 2013 23:10 risk.nuke wrote:
Jons parents have been to 99% confirmed to be Lyanna and Rheagar. Lets not pretend anything else.
confirmed by whom? Why would you believe the word of Connington? He is a character only recently introduced to the story, who was on the opposite side of Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon with no real inside information to the events that occurred. His word is just as good as everyone else's who say that Jon is the bastard son of Ned Stark and Ashara Dayne or Wylla or this fisherwoman. Here are the facts that we know: 1) Ned comes back from Robert's Rebellion with a child that he claims to be his bastard son, but will not reveal any information to anyone about the identity of the mother. 2) Ned made some sort of promise to Lyanna, before she died, that haunts him right up until his death in A Game of Thrones. 3) There is no confirmation in the book (yet) about Rhaegar and Lyanna being Jon's parents, but there are plenty of overt and subtle hints, which we know GRRM loves to use to foreshadow future reveals. When all of these hints are put together, the R+L=J theory starts to make more sense than any of the theories actually provided by characters in the books, which are speculation as well. GRRM could of course throw everyone a curveball and not take it that route, but our "wishful thinking" is just as grounded in the reality of the story as Robert and Connington's "accounts," since they are both biased and were both not present at either Jon's birth or the death of Lyanna. When Howland Reed confirms that Jon is not Lyanna's son, then you might have some evidence that has more weight than the wishful thinking of fans. Right now it is all speculation, one way or the other. So I agree that Jon's parents are R and L. That's the most believable theory given all the evidence we have so far. But I've always wondered what really happened with Ashara? We know that she danced with Ned at the tourney at Harrenhal. We know that Ned and Selmy were both infatuated with her. After which she was "dishonored". Selmy believes she gave birth to a stillborn child and then jumped off to her doom. There are theories out there that she's still alive (maybe even posing as the Setpa Lemore) but that seems really unlikely to me. What do you guys think is the best theory on what happened with her? Well we assume she threw herself from the cliff because of a broken heart. She could have had her heart broken from 2 things: the death of her beloved brother Arthur Dayne during the war or because she was in love with Ned. I assume Ned went to starfall to tell ashara that he was going back to his wife. I think he loved ashara but because of his honor and what he seen happen after someone runs away and follows their heart he lets her go. So she jumps off the cliff in despair. Ned being in starfall with Jon at the time also explains why Edrick? Storm tells arya him and Jon are milk brothers. Ned being there with a newborn without a mother of course he would need nourishment. But then who "dishonored" her? Couldn't have been Ned right? I mean that would go completely contrary to his character. Apparently to very more attentive people then me, Ashara Dayne danced with Ned only because Brandon asked her. She also danced with Brandon. The general take is she actually fancied Brandon; moreover, he railed her before getting killed. Thus why Ned went and saw her; since, she had Brandon child, and it would be Ned sense of duty to help her and get baby Jon some grub.
I like it and I decided to do some more research.
Found this http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/85819-crackpot-alert-the-father-of-ashara-daynes-baby/
theory to be a little bit better.
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offtopic: if naniwa wins DH ,,, would he be Roose Bolton?
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On April 28 2013 05:16 Topin wrote:
offtopic: if naniwa wins DH ,,, would he be Roose Bolton?
Hodor!
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