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On November 16 2011 07:08 Fenrax wrote: So I started watching the Anime. I am at Episode 69 now, the end of the Oración Seis arc. I think the Anime is okay, but I do not share any enthusiasm. What I like very much is the humor. I also like the characters.
What I don't like are the the fights. First of all the magic is too random for my taste. For example Erza is supposed to be one of the strongest, yet she gets trapped in a card by a weakling or turned to stone by that green haired girl with glasses in a few seconds and could easily be killed by her. That girl is actually totally OP but gets randomly beat by Erza's glass eye and then stops doing anything. The fights themselves are always the same scheme too. Introduction of OP opponents, find a random way to beat the sideshows, then opponent boss gets unbeatable power up but Natsu gets bigger power up and wins.
So my question is, an dplease try to avoid spoilers: Will this change in the next arcs? Or is this what people like about the Manga and I am overly critical?
Well its a shounen, and since that's the basic shounen formula it's not really going to change.
Granted there are/will be exceptions, but for the most part yea, that's what generally will happen.
But no, most people don't like that aspect of it. However keep in mind that shounen mangas are generally meant for boys under the age of 15. So if you think about that kind of audience, then it's probably what they like or at the very least what mangakas think they like.
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Is this a fan dedication thread or am I allowed to spew my hatred for this series in this thread or should I just blog about it.
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On November 16 2011 10:45 Hynda wrote: Is this a fan dedication thread or am I allowed to spew my hatred for this series in this thread or should I just blog about it.
People spew all kinds of hatred in the Bleach thread, and occasionally in the Naruto thread, so go for it?
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On November 16 2011 12:03 Conquest101 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 10:45 Hynda wrote: Is this a fan dedication thread or am I allowed to spew my hatred for this series in this thread or should I just blog about it. People spew all kinds of hatred in the Bleach thread, and occasionally in the Naruto thread, so go for it?
Indeed, I'm kinda curious now.
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I know the manga industry is incredibly tough and even people that have massive hits often struggle to get a new manga going after that. I read Rave Master when it was new and I found it to be extremly shonen. It was as if it was just shonen to be shonen and not to tell a story. Maybe I'm a romantic but the ones that tend to become really popular is the ones that are made from people that have a really good story to tell, and they struggle to find an outlet for it. So they make shonen after shonen after shonen and nothing gets picked up, or it gets picked up for 3 months and then gets cancled. Then they get that huge break like One-Piece, Naruto or Bleach and they can tell the story they want to tell. Even in a series that feels so watered down and so horribly overstaying its welcome like Bleach, if I read the first chapters and arcs I can feel the love, dedication and effort that was put into them.
Fairy Tail is the exact opposite of that, it's just calculated shonen. No life. No love. No dedication. (and by that I mean to the story, I am aware how ridiculously hard these guys work and how much dedication to their work they need to have). It's as if Hiro Mashima went: I have this great story that I want to tell but I'm not going to tell that story because I am just going to make that story so fuckng shonen that nobody could ever say anything other than "This is the most shonen thing I ever read".
Maybe it's not his fault, maybe he pitched Fairy Tail a billion times and it just got rejected for not being mainstream enough, so he compromised his own story, or maybe this is just a calculated shonen with no real story in it from the start. I havn't talked to the man so I don't know.
I was around when Fairy Tail launched, and I don't know if people remembered but this is how it was pitched. "Fairy Tail isn't your average shonen story, it will have a female lead and male lead. The focus will not be about the struggles of one boy, but the struggles of a whole group, a guild." Now I'm not dumb, I know that this is a shonen battle manga, the female lead will but demoted to a side character and the male lead will play a big role. BUT this is the most extreme case of that I've ever seen, and for something that was hyped up as something "different" this was just a massive dissapointment from the get go.
So, after that wall of text lets get started.
Natsu is probably the worst character in a battle manga ever, there is nothing about him that is redeeming. Here comes the calculated part of just making a shonen. Natsu is a mix och Luffys looks (thye could be twins), Ichigos lack of personality and Sasukes habit of never having any kind of personal growth. There is no depth to the character at all cause it's just a carbon copy of what works in shonen.
Put him side by side to the 3 big leads of shonen. Naruto, Ichigo and Luffy. As much as he is just a complete clone of Luffy. All those three characters experience growth in their personality, Ichigo much less so than the other two but seeing as his personality is that of plank to begin with that is quite an achivement.
So the main character suck. I can work myself around that. Ichigo sucked, I still liked the first arcs of Bleach. Ganta is annoying as hell but i still like Deadman Wonderland and Yugi is awful and I still watched every single episode of Yu-gi-oh growing up.
So lets introduce the ditzy female lead. She sucks, she is just a plot device made for fan service and to move the story along. She will never acomplish anything worth mentioning. She gets some character growth over time but nobody is ever going to care cause she will stay useless through out the run of the series. I can live with that. Bleach doesn't have any strong female character in it, infact every single female in Bleach is completly incompetent. One-Piece doesn't have any strong female characters what so ever, BUT this is shonen I have not forgotten that. It's supposed to be a sausage fest. But it's still nice to see that one series that being Naruto manages to give you 2 strong female characters that are not just complete deadweight. (By strong I don't mean powerful).
That brings me to my next hate object Erza. Fuck Erza. Erza is supposed to be "The strong female character". She is introduced to be a force to be reconned with, and I get excited. I'm like "wow, maybe this series has some hope to get a charcter I can like out of it!" but no. Becuase the problem with Erza in her normal state she is just a man with no penis. There is no indication that she is female. That again is fine, some characters put no ephasis on their gender.
But what isn't fine is the fact that every single time he tries to bring out her female side, it's like its a handicap. It's as if every character in the series would pity her for being female, as if she was wheelchair bound. OH NO MY OESTROGEN IS ACTING UP, MUST NOT TURN INTO A HELPLESS CHILD. Oh noes to late, she turned female she is out for this arc cause that makes her useless.
Now this Is allready very very very very long, so I will jus try to round off from here on with why I hate the story.
Every single major decision is repealed to be more shonen. He introduces something new and then pulls it back because it's not shonen enough. It's as if he is reaching out to the reader and saying "This is what I wanted to do, but you won't buy my shit if I do so, I won't". Every time someone might get their time to shine it's fucking ruined by the fact that he has to have Natsu do it. He can not once, not fucking once move of the shonen beaten in path and have someone else save Natsu. It ALWAYS has to be Natsu. And that is bullshit. One of the strongest Akatsuki members are beaten by Sakura, Orichimaru one of the main villains of the series is killed of by Sasuke. In One-piece yea it's just Luffy doing everything on his own but at least the fights are entertaining and the crew gets entertaining fights aswell. In Bleach people get their time to shine a perfect example of this is Tosen vs Hisagi a pretty minor character but he gets several chapters to shine in. (Infact it's the only good fight in Bleach for about 4 years).
But no, I was fucking hyped for Laxus comming in and saving the day and getting the guild from Makarov. I was like "FINALLY, he does something that requires some balls". But no. That didn't happen. Laxus gave his powers to Natsu and natsu saved the day again, because he is Jesus. And did Laxus get the guild? Fuck no, not one but 2 fucking cop outs with a new guild master and NONE of them fucking sticked. It's stil Makarov. Change is so god damn scary.
7 year timeskip. Lol frozen in time bubble. change is scary.
But you know what I really hate about Fairy Tail? Us. Becuase if he had made all those decisions that he repeals the chapter after. If he had made Erza a strong character, if he had made the guild the focus of the series instead of Natsu. If he gave Laxus the guild and if he made everyone age 7 years the manga would probably tank and get cancled and that is why I hate this manga. Becuase it shows that what the public want isn't unique, engrossing and fantastic adventures. We just want to read One-piece again with the exact same formula, nothing needs to change, just make a one-piece copy and you got yourself a hit.
That was why I stopped reading comicbooks, and stopped watching American animation cause it was all so stale, with no risks and nothing of worth left in it. And Fairy Tail is the beginging of the end for me, if this is how series will get popular in the future I see myself stop reading mainstream shonen. "But stop reading shonen then, there are plenty of "unique" manga out there that isn't as formulaeic"
The thing is I don't want to. I love mainstream shonen because it followed a formula to a degree but they still left in the things for the authors to shock you with.
The female lead kills one of the strongest guys in the world (Naruto). The Villain that gets to kill the bad guy (Naruto), The psycopath that turns out to be both good and evil (DW), The perfect jesus like charcter that loses his borther and implodes on himself (OP), a villain being quite clearly a pedo but still being fucking awesome (HxH) and having minor characters get chapters to shine in (Bleach). (I could bring in a billion other shonen examples but this post is fucking miles long by this point so I tried to make all examples (or most of them at least) about the big three.
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by Erza being a man without a penis. How does a warrior woman act exactly?
Other than that, yes it's bland but Fairy Tail isn't a manga that I read for something revolutionary, it's just comfortable with a tried and true formula.
Also Sakura couldn't do much without the old woman. It's effectively 2v1 and the guy only lost in the end because he didn't dodge the last attack and it was insinuated that he could have. Further Sakura almost died and the old woman did die. You should be angry about that too.
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On November 17 2011 02:36 ddrddrddrddr wrote: I'm not quite sure what you mean by Erza being a man without a penis. How does a warrior woman act exactly?
Other than that, yes it's bland but Fairy Tail isn't a manga that I read for something revolutionary, it's just comfortable with a tried and true formula. That there is no reason for her to be female other than that it's a weakness.
And I guess that is why everyone reads Fairy Tail and this the source fo my seething hatred for it.
Also Sakura couldn't do much without the old woman. It's effectively 2v1 and the guy only lost in the end because he didn't dodge the last attack and it was insinuated that he could have. Further Sakura almost died and the old woman did die. You should be angry about that too."
It's shonen, you have to give them some slack, they can't just have her beat him outright. That would be to much to ask, but it's a step in the right direction. Also you're right I give Naruto way to much slack because it has in my opinion the strongest female character in a shonen, so I tend to forgive Kishimoto for the 300 useless ones.
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Her femininity seemed like a nonexistent factor. She had a troubled past, but her weak moments aren't linked to romance, just old friendship. She's never really been one to show a huge amount of modesty either. She's had fan service, but none of it factor into the plot.
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On November 17 2011 02:41 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Her femininity seemed like a nonexistent factor. She had a troubled past, but her weak moments aren't linked to romance, just old friendship. She's never really been one to show a huge amount of modesty either. She's had fan service, but none of it factor into the plot. All the segments ends with her maning up, and that pisses me off. It never actually deal with, and in a shonen you couldn't have those scenes with say Natsu or any of the other male characters it would seem incredibly off.
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Luffy is so much deeper as a character than Natsu, also the OP time skip was fuckign awesome as shit!
The reason most of us still read this crap is because we grew up with it and cant just leave something uncompleted after having read 300 chapters.
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On November 17 2011 02:46 Spicy_Curry wrote: Luffy is so much deeper as a character than Natsu, also the OP time skip was fuckign awesome as shit! Which says alot since Luffys character has some depth + Show Spoiler +(Helped out a ton by the death of Ace) but he is still very much the template for shonen. Headstrong and easy going but gets really mad if you fuck with his friends. Making a character more shallow than that is pretty hard.
Edit: This does not mean I don't like Luffy btw, he is just isn't very interesting as a character on his own. But he fits very well into what he does and what his role is.
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That's because as you said, some Shonen main characters are entirely without personality so it's a blank slate that is easier for readers to put them selves in the shoes of. Natsu wouldn't ever man up because the guy is an empty bag of air with no ideas and no complex emotions. In a way most female characters are there mainly to provide a source of humanity to the story, like the story of Lucy and her father. Can you imagine that with Natsu? You can't because he's brainless bag of pure testosterone. One piece's portrayal of loss with Luffy is in my opinion fairly uncommon in mangas, and it is something to be pitied that main characters are usually emotionless drones.
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I feel your pain Hynda, every single time I hoped for fairy tail to reach it's potential I have been disappointed. It's clear there's more in it yet he is just too afraid of taking a risk and exploring. It's sad seeing potential squandered like this.
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On November 17 2011 02:50 ddrddrddrddr wrote: That's because as you said, some Shonen main characters are entirely without personality so it's a blank slate that is easier for readers to put them selves in the shoes of. Natsu wouldn't ever man up because the guy is an empty bag of ideas with no complex emotions. In a way most female characters are there mainly to provide a source of humanity to the story, like the story of Lucy and her father. Can you imagine that with Natsu? You can't because he's brainless bag of pure testosterone. One piece's portrayal of loss with Luffy is in my opinion fairly uncommon in mangas, and it is something to be pitied that main characters are usually emotionless drones. Yes and that is a problem cause you can write good main charcters that you can still identify with but doesn't have to be complete and utter borefest. Luffy and Naruto being point in case of 2 of the most popular mangas having protaganists with emotions and personality. You don't have to go the Bleach route just cause "That is what a shonen does". And if you use the "Cause that is what a shonen does" card every once in a while it's fine, that is what makes it a shonen. I can't name a sinlge shonen that doesn't pull the card out 20-30 times. But Fairy Tail does it every single situation and that is what annoys me.
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On November 17 2011 02:46 Spicy_Curry wrote: Luffy is so much deeper as a character than Natsu, also the OP time skip was fuckign awesome as shit!
The reason most of us still read this crap is because we grew up with it and cant just leave something uncompleted after having read 300 chapters. If I could stop I would, but get attached. To me it's to Bleach a series I hate with such a passion I've broken a keyboard in half with my fists after reading a chapter.
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Well, if you think about it, even though Naruto and Luffy are relatively complex, just how far have they gone really? Naruto's entire persona relies on his bromance with Sasuke. He has no real inner conflict with whether it's right leaving Sasuke alive, he's single minded on this and he's a simpleton with everything else. It's not really questioned why Naruto's so intent upon saving this one person even though he's endangering the lives of everyone in his village. His relationship with his dead parents and Jiraya were his other humanizing elements, but again there's no complexity. It would have been more interesting to see how he would react if his parents were actually disappointed in him and how he would have dealt with it, or to see some long lasting effect of seeing his mentor of years die on an away mission and whether it would change his view of death. Nope, nothing complex, just good feelings.
Look at luffy, he's notorious for being a total retard. He had a single chapter of mourning and he goes right back to training. Maybe it can come later, but will Luffy harbor a hatred for the Marines for killing his brother? Doesn't appear so. Has demeanor changed or matured? Nope. The death brought him no lasting effects.
But that's the point of Shonen mangas, they're there for instant gratification, there is no exploration of complex issues. Character do good thing because it's good to do, characters do bad things so they'll be defeated by good characters usually sums up the entire experience.
Try reading mangas like like Berserk or Gantz or Homonculus. Those are mangas for adults.
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On November 17 2011 03:06 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Well, if you think about it, even though Naruto and Luffy are relatively complex, just how far have they gone really? Naruto's entire persona relies on his bromance with Sasuke. He has no real inner conflict with whether it's right leaving Sasuke alive, he's single minded on this and he's a simpleton with everything else. It's not really questioned why Naruto's so intent upon saving this one person even though he's endangering the lives of everyone in his village. His relationship with his dead parents and Jiraya were his other humanizing elements, but again there's no complexity. It would have been more interesting to see how he would react if his parents were actually disappointed in him and how he would have dealt with it, or to see some long lasting effect of seeing his mentor of years die on an away mission and whether it would change his view of death. Nope, nothing complex, just good feelings.
Look at luffy, he's notorious for being a total retard. He had a single chapter of mourning and he goes right back to training. Maybe it can come later, but will Luffy harbor a hatred for the Marines for killing his brother? Doesn't appear so. Has demeanor changed or matured? Nope. The death brought him no lasting effects.
But that's the point of Shonen mangas, they're there for instant gratification, there is no exploration of complex issues. Character do good thing because it's good to do, characters do bad things so they'll be defeated by good characters usually sums up the entire experience.
Try reading mangas like like Berserk or Gantz or Homonculus. Those are mangas for adults. I feel Naruto is a complex character, it's not all about Sasuke anymore infact Sasuke isn't even in the series anymore and there has been plenty of exposition showing that Naruto is growing more and more into the Hokage he wants to be realising that he can't just be selfish. And I don't think I can be clearer that I don't fine Luffy particularly deep after I said that it was a challenge to make someone even more shallow. And yes that sums up the whole thing but I have still read plenty of shonen that does that in an interesting way.
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On November 17 2011 03:16 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 03:06 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Well, if you think about it, even though Naruto and Luffy are relatively complex, just how far have they gone really? Naruto's entire persona relies on his bromance with Sasuke. He has no real inner conflict with whether it's right leaving Sasuke alive, he's single minded on this and he's a simpleton with everything else. It's not really questioned why Naruto's so intent upon saving this one person even though he's endangering the lives of everyone in his village. His relationship with his dead parents and Jiraya were his other humanizing elements, but again there's no complexity. It would have been more interesting to see how he would react if his parents were actually disappointed in him and how he would have dealt with it, or to see some long lasting effect of seeing his mentor of years die on an away mission and whether it would change his view of death. Nope, nothing complex, just good feelings.
Look at luffy, he's notorious for being a total retard. He had a single chapter of mourning and he goes right back to training. Maybe it can come later, but will Luffy harbor a hatred for the Marines for killing his brother? Doesn't appear so. Has demeanor changed or matured? Nope. The death brought him no lasting effects.
But that's the point of Shonen mangas, they're there for instant gratification, there is no exploration of complex issues. Character do good thing because it's good to do, characters do bad things so they'll be defeated by good characters usually sums up the entire experience.
Try reading mangas like like Berserk or Gantz or Homonculus. Those are mangas for adults. I feel Naruto is a complex character, it's not all about Sasuke anymore infact Sasuke isn't even in the series anymore and there has been plenty of exposition showing that Naruto is growing more and more into the Hokage he wants to be realising that he can't just be selfish. And I don't think I can be clearer that I don't fine Luffy particularly deep after I said that it was a challenge to make someone even more shallow. And yes that sums up the whole thing but I have still read plenty of shonen that does that in an interesting way.
I completely agree, Naruto has developed alot since sasuke has become a sidequest instead of a main goal
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On November 17 2011 02:28 Hynda wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I know the manga industry is incredibly tough and even people that have massive hits often struggle to get a new manga going after that. I read Rave Master when it was new and I found it to be extremly shonen. It was as if it was just shonen to be shonen and not to tell a story. Maybe I'm a romantic but the ones that tend to become really popular is the ones that are made from people that have a really good story to tell, and they struggle to find an outlet for it. So they make shonen after shonen after shonen and nothing gets picked up, or it gets picked up for 3 months and then gets cancled. Then they get that huge break like One-Piece, Naruto or Bleach and they can tell the story they want to tell. Even in a series that feels so watered down and so horribly overstaying its welcome like Bleach, if I read the first chapters and arcs I can feel the love, dedication and effort that was put into them.
Fairy Tail is the exact opposite of that, it's just calculated shonen. No life. No love. No dedication. (and by that I mean to the story, I am aware how ridiculously hard these guys work and how much dedication to their work they need to have). It's as if Hiro Mashima went: I have this great story that I want to tell but I'm not going to tell that story because I am just going to make that story so fuckng shonen that nobody could ever say anything other than "This is the most shonen thing I ever read".
Maybe it's not his fault, maybe he pitched Fairy Tail a billion times and it just got rejected for not being mainstream enough, so he compromised his own story, or maybe this is just a calculated shonen with no real story in it from the start. I havn't talked to the man so I don't know.
I was around when Fairy Tail launched, and I don't know if people remembered but this is how it was pitched. "Fairy Tail isn't your average shonen story, it will have a female lead and male lead. The focus will not be about the struggles of one boy, but the struggles of a whole group, a guild." Now I'm not dumb, I know that this is a shonen battle manga, the female lead will but demoted to a side character and the male lead will play a big role. BUT this is the most extreme case of that I've ever seen, and for something that was hyped up as something "different" this was just a massive dissapointment from the get go.
So, after that wall of text lets get started.
Natsu is probably the worst character in a battle manga ever, there is nothing about him that is redeeming. Here comes the calculated part of just making a shonen. Natsu is a mix och Luffys looks (thye could be twins), Ichigos lack of personality and Sasukes habit of never having any kind of personal growth. There is no depth to the character at all cause it's just a carbon copy of what works in shonen.
Put him side by side to the 3 big leads of shonen. Naruto, Ichigo and Luffy. As much as he is just a complete clone of Luffy. All those three characters experience growth in their personality, Ichigo much less so than the other two but seeing as his personality is that of plank to begin with that is quite an achivement.
So the main character suck. I can work myself around that. Ichigo sucked, I still liked the first arcs of Bleach. Ganta is annoying as hell but i still like Deadman Wonderland and Yugi is awful and I still watched every single episode of Yu-gi-oh growing up.
So lets introduce the ditzy female lead. She sucks, she is just a plot device made for fan service and to move the story along. She will never acomplish anything worth mentioning. She gets some character growth over time but nobody is ever going to care cause she will stay useless through out the run of the series. I can live with that. Bleach doesn't have any strong female character in it, infact every single female in Bleach is completly incompetent. One-Piece doesn't have any strong female characters what so ever, BUT this is shonen I have not forgotten that. It's supposed to be a sausage fest. But it's still nice to see that one series that being Naruto manages to give you 2 strong female characters that are not just complete deadweight. (By strong I don't mean powerful).
That brings me to my next hate object Erza. Fuck Erza. Erza is supposed to be "The strong female character". She is introduced to be a force to be reconned with, and I get excited. I'm like "wow, maybe this series has some hope to get a charcter I can like out of it!" but no. Becuase the problem with Erza in her normal state she is just a man with no penis. There is no indication that she is female. That again is fine, some characters put no ephasis on their gender.
But what isn't fine is the fact that every single time he tries to bring out her female side, it's like its a handicap. It's as if every character in the series would pity her for being female, as if she was wheelchair bound. OH NO MY OESTROGEN IS ACTING UP, MUST NOT TURN INTO A HELPLESS CHILD. Oh noes to late, she turned female she is out for this arc cause that makes her useless.
Now this Is allready very very very very long, so I will jus try to round off from here on with why I hate the story.
Every single major decision is repealed to be more shonen. He introduces something new and then pulls it back because it's not shonen enough. It's as if he is reaching out to the reader and saying "This is what I wanted to do, but you won't buy my shit if I do so, I won't". Every time someone might get their time to shine it's fucking ruined by the fact that he has to have Natsu do it. He can not once, not fucking once move of the shonen beaten in path and have someone else save Natsu. It ALWAYS has to be Natsu. And that is bullshit. One of the strongest Akatsuki members are beaten by Sakura, Orichimaru one of the main villains of the series is killed of by Sasuke. In One-piece yea it's just Luffy doing everything on his own but at least the fights are entertaining and the crew gets entertaining fights aswell. In Bleach people get their time to shine a perfect example of this is Tosen vs Hisagi a pretty minor character but he gets several chapters to shine in. (Infact it's the only good fight in Bleach for about 4 years).
But no, I was fucking hyped for Laxus comming in and saving the day and getting the guild from Makarov. I was like "FINALLY, he does something that requires some balls". But no. That didn't happen. Laxus gave his powers to Natsu and natsu saved the day again, because he is Jesus. And did Laxus get the guild? Fuck no, not one but 2 fucking cop outs with a new guild master and NONE of them fucking sticked. It's stil Makarov. Change is so god damn scary.
7 year timeskip. Lol frozen in time bubble. change is scary.
But you know what I really hate about Fairy Tail? Us. Becuase if he had made all those decisions that he repeals the chapter after. If he had made Erza a strong character, if he had made the guild the focus of the series instead of Natsu. If he gave Laxus the guild and if he made everyone age 7 years the manga would probably tank and get cancled and that is why I hate this manga. Becuase it shows that what the public want isn't unique, engrossing and fantastic adventures. We just want to read One-piece again with the exact same formula, nothing needs to change, just make a one-piece copy and you got yourself a hit.
That was why I stopped reading comicbooks, and stopped watching American animation cause it was all so stale, with no risks and nothing of worth left in it. And Fairy Tail is the beginging of the end for me, if this is how series will get popular in the future I see myself stop reading mainstream shonen. "But stop reading shonen then, there are plenty of "unique" manga out there that isn't as formulaeic"
The thing is I don't want to. I love mainstream shonen because it followed a formula to a degree but they still left in the things for the authors to shock you with.
The female lead kills one of the strongest guys in the world (Naruto). The Villain that gets to kill the bad guy (Naruto), The psycopath that turns out to be both good and evil (DW), The perfect jesus like charcter that loses his borther and implodes on himself (OP), a villain being quite clearly a pedo but still being fucking awesome (HxH) and having minor characters get chapters to shine in (Bleach). (I could bring in a billion other shonen examples but this post is fucking miles long by this point so I tried to make all examples (or most of them at least) about the big three.
Yeah. Great post. I didn't want to come to this thread and be like "you know which guy I hate? The main character of this series, that is who I hate." But yes, the Natsu character is a plague and he helps ruining the potential of this Manga. So I don't have seen too much of this Manga (only to the end of Oracion Seis arc) and after what I read by now I will not continue watching it. I kept on with reading Bleach for way too long before I quit. I won't repeat that mistake. I will keep reading OP because it is good and keep on reading Naruto because it is slowly getting back in shape. By no way Fairy Tail is as bad as Bleach because it makes sense but it is like you say way too generic.
But I just can't take any additional smurfette snydrome, the few women being portrayed as useless and certainly no more idiotic randomly overpowered main shells (calling Natsu a character would be too much of an exaggeration).
On November 17 2011 03:06 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Try reading mangas like like Berserk or Gantz or Homonculus. Those are mangas for adults.
Go away with Gantz. I kind of like it but it is certainly no good example for how a Manga should be written.
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Yay new arc, I hope it's just really a tournament and no hidden disaster happening during the tournament, save that for after !
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