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Poll: MDL Disneyland Pairs Major ChampionTeam Secret (35) 47% Team Liquid (35) 47% Evil Geniuses (4) 5% 74 total votes Your vote: MDL Disneyland Pairs Major Champion (Vote): Team Secret
(Vote): Evil Geniuses
(Vote): Team Liquid
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Voted with my heart, not my head.
Third place here we come woohoo! *fist pump*
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If EG played like yesterday (except that rosh throw), I think they actually have the best chances of winning this.
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I believe in RTZ and the bois! BLEED BLUE
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
#forever3rd
Let's go Liquid !
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On May 12 2019 18:01 739 wrote:
#forever3rd
Let's go Liquid !
Seconded!
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On May 12 2019 18:01 739 wrote:
#forever3rd
Let's go Liquid !
#cursebreakers
EG fighting!
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I have some serious TI7 vibes and think TL has good chances to win it all. I think EG is a bigger obstacle than Secret for them (dont ask me why, just a gut feeling)
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EG is going to win it all
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will the curse be too stronk?
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Time for Liquid to fulfill the prophecy and give EG their 3rd place! :>
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At this point I am close to EG 3rd being more important than TL winning :D
Memes are just too stronk
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Cmon EG lets crush Liquid so hard they turn Solid!!
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
So many signature heroes of Liquid against Magnus+PA+DS
This game is already shaping up to be really good
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man, I want both of these teams to lose. I know, I'm no fun. I guess I'll hope for 2-1 that ends with EG losing a close third game for the meme dream.
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Let's see if Viper is still a hero
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Alright Kyle is favoring EG, we got this! x)
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On May 12 2019 20:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
Alright Kyle is favoring EG, we got this! x)
Looking at the draft I would say the same tho, EG's lineup is a lot easier to execute
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Kyle believes that EG will win...so ez 1:0 for Liquid.
Nice drafts from both sides...Liquid did show they can beat PA and Magnus before. S4 will be the deciding factor, if he gets a good vacuum into a stun, rtz may just demolish them.
Already swapped lanes for Liquid. NP mid against Razor.
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65 lasthits in 6 minuts is insane
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
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Liquid is playing this perfectly till now
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12 min fast push while letting their carry sits at top networth chart is unbelieveable
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when this is the only viable chen strategy, you know the hero is bad
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Pretty impressive how quickly this all happened. Liquid went for the group up mid on the first siege wave at 5min and took their first tower. After that they divided their heroes really nicely so Furion and Chen went around to push which allowed the Viper to take some time to get levels and farm a mek. And suddenly it's a 12min rax
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I expect the gs to be dropped any second now
nevermind the call of solo too strong
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not at all. Tl is still on a big timer. when the timer reaches 30 mins this game is tough. and 2 lanes of rax is not enough in this patch to close the game out I think
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Idk what the Dominator on Chen really does here. Persuasion is enough and a mek is more important I think
E: Edit nvm they have Viper im stupid
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Pretty funny how much losing the catapults slows the game down for TL
On May 12 2019 20:43 Gear 3rd wrote:
Idk what the Dominator on Chen really does here. Persuasion is enough and a mek is more important I think
The Viper has had Greaves for a while already
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liquid outplayed eg hard this game
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
This push reminds me of 2012 Na'Vi. :D
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This game is giving me chills. Vintage Liquid just making these concept drafts work so well and running over their opposition.
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one atos will kill eg entire teamfight
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shaker ban incoming next game
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s4 ,"surely nobody can predict how i move after i repeat it 3 times in row"
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On May 12 2019 20:52 PoulsenB wrote:
shaker ban incoming next game
Shaker is owning every game, if Liquid doesn't take it EG will for Crit
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the creep is stronger than oracle lol
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EG once again falling to a cheese strat smh
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EG has already reached their goal, so they dont mind losing :-)
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memes aside it'd be neat to see a kyle prediction tracker
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On May 12 2019 20:55 PoulsenB wrote:
EG once again falling to a cheese strat smh
It was not even a cheese strat, no Brood, no Meepo...just perfectly executed and outpaced.
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On May 12 2019 20:56 Rufus Dupres wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2019 20:55 PoulsenB wrote:
EG once again falling to a cheese strat smh It was not even a cheese strat, no Brood, no Meepo...just perfectly executed and outpaced.
Chen is pretty cheese right now, he doesn't really work outside this exact strat I think
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TL did this type of approach to EG at Epicenter in 2017, the LAN they won that brought them into their form for TI7. Miracle just plays better when he's getting to roam around early and kill people.
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"It's a perfect draft" - Kyle about TL's draft after first predicting EG to win
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I'm sure EG can bounce back, cmon boissss
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On May 12 2019 20:56 Rufus Dupres wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2019 20:55 PoulsenB wrote:
EG once again falling to a cheese strat smh It was not even a cheese strat, no Brood, no Meepo...just perfectly executed and outpaced.
except chen is a cheese hero because the only remotely viable strategy that lobotomized hero has right now is to grab as many catapults as possible and hope your team can dive for long enough for them to kill towers
volvo really did a number on that hero its sad
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On May 12 2019 20:57 PoulsenB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2019 20:56 Rufus Dupres wrote:On May 12 2019 20:55 PoulsenB wrote:
EG once again falling to a cheese strat smh It was not even a cheese strat, no Brood, no Meepo...just perfectly executed and outpaced. Chen is pretty cheese right now, he doesn't really work outside this exact strat I think
The Tournament Meta has gotten really high Tempo. Chen is one of the best pos 5 for that, so Chen is quite meta when everyone is playing fast.
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On May 12 2019 20:55 PoulsenB wrote:
EG once again falling to a cheese strat smh
Wow, that's some PPD amount of salt.
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On May 12 2019 21:02 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2019 20:55 PoulsenB wrote:
EG once again falling to a cheese strat smh Wow, that's some PPD amount of salt.
thank you, I try 
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It's not like that Chen came out of nowhere. It was a third pick...enough time to adjust your drafting.
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fuck you kyle, now EG is going to win
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s4 died mid stomp animation rip
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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EG cores doing decently all things considered
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
This looks over already. Liquid has a stronger late game and are having a much better early game.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
LET'S GO LIQUID, LET'S GO
Edit : I hope TL wins 2-0 against EG and then give epic finals against Secret to win with 3-2 score.
AHHhhhh..
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yea, 3rd place curse secured once again
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What was that Kuro wtf lol. Matu got baited by him so hard
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good luck killing this morph
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Imagine morphling morphs into sniper. Double the cancer.
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Wow that centaur stomp prevention was incredible.
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Miracle is a fucking god...
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
This game is now Miracle's playground.
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EG really are the definition of consistent disappointment. They've had no answers to Liquid at all this series.
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It's gg, well played by Liquid!
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gg, underwhelming series Liquid obliterated EG
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one important thing to take away from this, EG 3rd place curse > Kyle prediction curse
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Yesterday vs Secret you could feel the fire by EG after they lost g1 vs Secret.
Today? Nothing... nothing at all. I am happy for TL but it feels EG loses a big chunk of their spirit once they drop to LB
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Best carry in the world. That's why Liquid will never choose to convert him back into tempo mid. He will be playing carry mid at the very least.
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EG outplayed liquid in all 3 games in the first bo3, losing one because of the draft more than anything, and now liquid is reading them like a book. Dota moves fast.
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Now Miracle just need to boulder smash someone onto a cliff. 
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what a player this miracle :O
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Miracle is a sick motherfucker. Damn.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
That was such a beautiful and clean victory
LIKKID IS BACK BABY
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Hzz, third place curse is too strong. Underwhelming drafts both games though.
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miracle just displayed the highest cap of morph play
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You won't be seeing morph in finals, that's for sure.
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Man, Secret-Liquid should be a BLAST!
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What a flashy way to end the game. Classic miracle
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On May 12 2019 21:49 Elurie wrote:
Wait, Kyle is right?!
3G curse too strong
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you could say that putting kyle/caster curse vs the third place curse was an interesting test case of curse strength. Kyle's curse, being a more refined and powerful version of the caster's curse, is a subject of much recent notoriety, but the third place curse has been around for a lot longer and has displayed much more strength in its effects than the simple words of just one man.
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Now let's see how many pages of shitting on EG will the LR thread spam now xD
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Who cares about EG anyway, they lost, we're moving ahead >.<
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On May 12 2019 21:53 PoulsenB wrote:
Now let's see how many pages of shitting on EG will the LR thread spam now xD
I think people are more interested fanboying Liquid. 3rd place EG is the norm anyway lmao.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
How to do winners interview lesson 1:
Don't make every single question a "How does it feel..." question. We know the answer, it feels good.
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Hope they move up the grand finals. 2 hours is too long of a break. 
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As much flak as this tournament gets for having a Chinese speaking moderator on stage in France, I think Hellen is doing an amazing job with these interviews. I like the questionsalbeit being standart to some degree there is always some spice of personality sprinkled inbetween them.
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On May 12 2019 21:55 babysimba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2019 21:53 PoulsenB wrote:
Now let's see how many pages of shitting on EG will the LR thread spam now xD I think people are more interested fanboying Liquid. 3rd place EG is the norm anyway lmao.
EG also played a really good tournament overall, no reason to shit on them in my opinion
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Does that mean Tsunami is gonna cast finals?
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On May 12 2019 22:01 1nobody wrote:Does that mean Tsunami is gonna cast finals?
I would assume ODPixel and Godz
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Damn that Slacks interviews are so dumb.... i love it.
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poor Blitz really didn't enjoy that
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70 mins of waiting time until the finals start?
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
They just finished bo3 against EG, can't expect them to immediately jump into bo5 in GF...
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On May 12 2019 22:24 739 wrote:
They just finished bo3 against EG, can't expect them to immediately jump into bo5 in GF...
But one can expect them having a timer on screen. Or am i just blind?
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i get it that lower bracket finalist needs time to recover, but 2 hours is excessive
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
On May 12 2019 22:28 1nobody wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2019 22:24 739 wrote:
They just finished bo3 against EG, can't expect them to immediately jump into bo5 in GF... But one can expect them having a timer on screen. Or am i just blind?
Check the bottom of the screen.
It clearly says that upcoming match starts at 16:40 (GMT +2) and it's currently 15:30. So that's 70 minutes from now on.
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On May 12 2019 22:30 739 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2019 22:28 1nobody wrote:On May 12 2019 22:24 739 wrote:
They just finished bo3 against EG, can't expect them to immediately jump into bo5 in GF... But one can expect them having a timer on screen. Or am i just blind? Check the bottom of the screen. It clearly says that upcoming match starts at 16:40 (GMT +2) and it's currently 15:30. So that's 70 minutes from now on.
So i am fucking blind. Thanks :-D
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Waking up to Liquid 2-0 EG is a bit of a surprise.
Hopefully Liquid doesn't run out of steam against Secret. They've played nearly twice (23) as many games as Secret have (12) at this tournament.
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Puppey versus Kuro is always a fucking treat.
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Puppey really is tall, yikes.
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"Doesn't speak a word of English" is a stretch.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
This should be an amazing series. Something is telling me Secret is gonna stomp, but Liquid looked unstoppable against EG just a while ago, so who knows!
Yapzor with average 8.72 KDA from position 4, lmao. What the hell.
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shoutout to production team for not including Kyle in the panel, now we actually need to watch until the match is done to know the result
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
First ban Monkey King, interesting. Expecting Darkseer and Abbadon bans. I think Drow is gonna be unbanned.
edit: I got 2/3, Darkseer didn't get banned.
Also, I appreciate we have both big dick captains in the finals, none of that coach drafting bullshit.
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On May 13 2019 00:13 cecek wrote:
First ban Monkey King, interesting. Expecting Darkseer and Abbadon bans. I think Drow is gonna be unbanned.
edit: I got 2/3, Darkseer didn't get banned.
Also, I appreciate we have both big dick captains in the finals, none of that coach drafting bullshit.
Their coaches are sitting behind them whispering in their ears though?
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Liquid kind of had to pick or ban Drow second phase here. Drow + OD is strong.
Liquid might go Morphling last pick
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Well, Puppey vs Kuro is always interesting
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Morph into AA? idontknowkev
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I'm really surprised Morphling last pick still happened after AA from Secret
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Well, Miracle seems to be feeling the Morphling today, the EG match was insane.
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On May 13 2019 00:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Morph into AA? idontknowkev
ye can't AA just freeze morphling? Maybe Team Liquid should've picked Ember to melt AA...
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Liquid is fine if it goes late, which seems odd vs an Arc Warden draft.
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On May 13 2019 00:27 Ej_ wrote:ye can't AA just freeze morphling? Maybe Team Liquid should've picked Ember to melt AA...
AA's ult punishes you for having low health, and Morph tends to like having a low health pool in favor of doing damage.
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On May 13 2019 00:27 Ej_ wrote:ye can't AA just freeze morphling? Maybe Team Liquid should've picked Ember to melt AA...
It's an Ej_ with only double digit posts :o
Also, pokemon theory is not even wrong in this case
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On May 13 2019 00:28 intotheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2019 00:27 Ej_ wrote:On May 13 2019 00:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Morph into AA? idontknowkev ye can't AA just freeze morphling? Maybe Team Liquid should've picked Ember to melt AA... AA's ult punishes you for having low health, and Morph tends to like having a low health pool in favor of doing damage.
It's also important to note that AA's ult prevent Morph from gaining health pool
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Did they finally do the match announcing properly? I didn't understand a word, but it sounded better than the half baked "Game UN!" thing they had been doing.
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Leaving morph in a 1v3 to start? hmmmm
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
I just love to watch AA being played more, both as pos 2 and pos 5.
Underestimated much.
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This feels like a practiced trilane from Secret.
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Why are they focusing tide over AA
I guess because they keep killing him lol
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
This gonna get fun once they all hit level 6 >.<
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Secret crumbling
Midone going alone and dieing, mindcontrol 1v2ing lol
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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Lalalaland34492 Posts
Rofl that was hilarious
At least when manunited play like shit Liquid have my back
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Epicenter + Ravage --> 0-2, totally legit lmao.
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Morph steals OD for Astral against AA ult maybe. Liquid do have a really great composition for kiting. It's just a matter of avoiding Tide ult.
(low-key Liquid are doing it)
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Drow Linken's might be a win condition
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On May 13 2019 00:41 Moobutt wrote:
Drow Linken's might be a win condition
As EG showed the other day, it really is.
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Liquid are styling on Secret
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On May 13 2019 00:42 Taf the Ghost wrote:As EG showed the other day, it really is.
I can't imagine Liquid would ignore it.
That Disruptor/ES kill on Arc Warden was wild. It felt like disruptor had the level 10 thunder strike damage talent, but I don't think he did.
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Compare the MC dom Seer to S4 vang seer :D both has massive farm...
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On May 13 2019 00:48 Moobutt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2019 00:42 Taf the Ghost wrote:On May 13 2019 00:41 Moobutt wrote:
Drow Linken's might be a win condition As EG showed the other day, it really is. That Disruptor/ES kill on Arc Warden was wild. It felt like disruptor had the level 10 thunder strike damage talent, but I don't think he did.
The ES had ion shell on him that helped
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BKB on Earth Spirit at 23 minutes will be hard to deal with
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Kuro was ready for that lol
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On May 12 2019 21:49 babysimba wrote:
You won't be seeing morph in finals, that's for sure.
Secret, plz.
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On May 13 2019 00:53 Moobutt wrote:
BKB on Earth Spirit at 23 minutes will be hard to deal with
Morph as Earth Spirit will be worse.
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so morph is a water thanos
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On May 13 2019 00:57 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2019 00:53 Moobutt wrote:
BKB on Earth Spirit at 23 minutes will be hard to deal with Morph as Earth Spirit will be worse.
I think it's the first time I've ever seen that. Pretty crazy.
Seems like Liquid have to wait for another Aegis to go high ground.
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Miracle plays a nice earth spirit xd
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Double earth spirits, one with unlimited stones. Imba ^^
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the difference in the amount of matches played really showed here, liquid's form look noticeably better
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WTF morph get the Agha spell of ES haha
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Well, at least infinite morphling stones is gonna be fixed next match. :D
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this must be the most overpowered version of morph even compared to TI2
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On May 13 2019 01:01 uthgard wrote:
the difference in the amount of matches played really showed here, liquid's form look noticeably better
The question will be if it goes to the later games how Liquid's stamina holds up. Certainly seems more games have given them a bit of polish
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On May 13 2019 00:59 Moobutt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2019 00:57 Taf the Ghost wrote:On May 13 2019 00:53 Moobutt wrote:
BKB on Earth Spirit at 23 minutes will be hard to deal with Morph as Earth Spirit will be worse. I think it's the first time I've ever seen that. Pretty crazy. Seems like Liquid have to wait for another Aegis to go high ground.
Pretty sure Miracle did this yesterday to someone. Someone else also used a Morph + Earthshaker, where Morph can hit for 1.5k. That's actually been the Meta around Morph: finding synergy partners to make it really a top-tier carry.
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Morphling is broken as fuck
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9kills in a row.... quad rampage wut
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Lalalaland34492 Posts
Miracle makes morphling look so much more broken
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this HAS to be the first 4x rampage in pro dota, right? good hero i heard.
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Yeah soooo... AA does not counter Miracle Morphling
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Nothing to see here
just a quad rampage
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On May 13 2019 01:04 Zea! wrote:
Morphling is broken as fuck
He has been for quite a while
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morph cares shit about draft counter
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Morphling nerf incoming. What a game by Miracle.
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On May 13 2019 00:29 Elurie wrote:
Did they finally do the match announcing properly? I didn't understand a word, but it sounded better than the half baked "Game UN!" thing they had been doing.
No. Especially the weird "faites du bruit !" at the end ("make noise", with the lamest speaker voice I've ever heard...)
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On May 13 2019 01:06 MetalMercury wrote:He has been for quite a while
i know, but everyone complains drow when to me Morph is way stronger.
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Liquid is just on fire now!
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sheever has massive legs even if we take her height into account
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On May 13 2019 01:08 Snakesneaks wrote:
sheever has massive legs even if we take her height into account
Dutch. It's like the whole country is 20cm higher than average :-)
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It seems like Dark Seer got a free game early till Morph came on line, and then it was over.
But I'm guessing both get nerfed pretty hard.
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Puppey thought he was save with the morph counter but he wasn't prepared for the ascended earth-water spirit
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On May 13 2019 01:07 Nouar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2019 00:29 Elurie wrote:
Did they finally do the match announcing properly? I didn't understand a word, but it sounded better than the half baked "Game UN!" thing they had been doing. No. Especially the weird "faites du bruit !" at the end ("make noise", with the lamest speaker voice I've ever heard...)
Thanks for the translation. The guy definitely doesn't have the voice for hype announcing.
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That game was quite something.
Let's go Liquid!
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King of cringe. Accurate.
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On May 13 2019 01:07 Zea! wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2019 01:06 MetalMercury wrote:On May 13 2019 01:04 Zea! wrote:
Morphling is broken as fuck He has been for quite a while i know, but everyone complains drow when to me Morph is way stronger.
They both need to be on the chopping block.
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7.22 is going to be nerf bat central. Seems like the Pro Teams have started to get really serious heading towards the actual TI season, so patches are getting broken hard. The Frog is going to be busy for a while.
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Morph first ban... fair enough to be honest. That's also what I'd do.
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There is the Morph ban :D
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On May 13 2019 01:21 intotheheart wrote:
Morph first ban... fair enough to be honest. That's also what I'd do.
It was a classic 'we know how to play against it' first game into first ban cycle
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On May 13 2019 01:22 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2019 01:21 intotheheart wrote:
Morph first ban... fair enough to be honest. That's also what I'd do. It was a classic 'we know how to play against it' first game into first ban cycle
And Dark Seer ban... I don't keep up with DotA as much as I used to but that looks identical to what you're saying.
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Secret need Shaker or Jakiro or both.
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Liquid won that first game badly and now Puppey's being stubborn.
Guess Liquid have this thing basically won.
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On May 13 2019 01:25 Moobutt wrote:
Secret need Shaker or Jakiro or both.
I don't know how I got that backwards. It just seems like Secret would want long range engage/stun versus Drow that doesn't commit a core (Sand King) to the fight.
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On May 13 2019 01:25 Moobutt wrote:
Secret need Shaker or Jakiro or both.
Well, Liquid have both :-)
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Is NP really first pick material? It's strong early but at the critical stages it's a bit meh for the amount of farm taken. Though I haven't watched all matches so maybe I missed the great NP ones
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4 bans targeted at Miracle, damn.
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The crowd cheerfuls have been really good this tournament.
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Translation for curious people : "Start of the second round, the war rages on, make some noooiiiise"
Sigh
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On May 13 2019 01:34 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Is NP really first pick material? It's strong early but at the critical stages it's a bit meh for the amount of farm taken. Though I haven't watched all matches so maybe I missed the great NP ones
I think it depends a lot on how the draft is built around NP and how much farm is delegated to him. He's probably overpicked though.
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On May 13 2019 01:42 Moobutt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2019 01:34 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Is NP really first pick material? It's strong early but at the critical stages it's a bit meh for the amount of farm taken. Though I haven't watched all matches so maybe I missed the great NP ones I think it depends a lot on how the draft is built around NP and how much farm is delegated to him. He's probably overpicked though.
Had a below 50% win rate this event, but it's always a "safe" pick.
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what's with the delay and sick packet loss in ingame spectating
4min delay for a major final on LAN is A+
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It appears the stream just shit the bed.
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On May 13 2019 01:48 Stancel wrote:
what's with the delay and sick packet loss in ingame spectating
4min delay for a major final on LAN is A+
Stream started lagging for me just now. Had issues yesterday as well.
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Oh no, the LAN internet shit the bed
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Phew, I thought it was my connection, which has been shitty on weekends lately.
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The double global ult makes for nice easy kills on drow. Drow really doesn't enjoy zeus aghs
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Yapzor boots + Aghs. He knows what he needs to do this game.
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What a sexy global strat by Secret.
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This global strat is actually disgusting.
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Secret won the Shanghai Major with Global Strats a lot like this approach. (Different heroes, though.)
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Secret are making game 1 look like a fluke.
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Liquid need a godly team fight win at Rosh or high ground.
It seems more likely that Secret will slow play it and wait for buyback advantages
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And Miracle is dead, just like that.
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This series did a complete 180
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Seeing tier1 teams utilize Arc Warden is a sight to behold. This is great dota we are watching.
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Secret's wrinkle in a standard "Global Strat" approach is itemizing for both disable & disrupting the other team's ability to team fight. It works as something of an anti-Deathball lineup as well. This game was over by about 15 minutes, but it's quite interesting to see this wrinkle.
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On May 13 2019 02:22 Danzo wrote:
Seeing tier1 teams utilize Arc Warden is a sight to behold. This is great dota we are watching.
It's the exact opposite for me. It was interesting to see the build up from secret to lock the map and liquid's fighting against it but the last 25 minutes had nothing noteworthy happening, the situation stayed exactly the same.
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finally a good Arc Warden game
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
5 cores, global, mass eblade. Puppey really is an evil genius.
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I'm sorry for other teams, but rigt now Liquid and Secret are playing on a totally different level. It's not even close (at this time of course not over the year)
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Slow choke and they keep hyping it up. Caster job is tough. I tabbed 20 min ago, but i kept hearing screaming :D. Comeback? No way...
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On May 13 2019 02:29 BlazingGlory wrote:
Slow choke and they keep hyping it up. Caster job is tough. I tabbed 20 min ago, but i kept hearing screaming :D. Comeback? No way...
Yeah, this one was over pretty early, but TL was trying hard to find some angle. We've seen some late-game turnarounds, but Secret had to give them an opening for it to happen.
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On May 13 2019 02:23 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Secret's wrinkle in a standard "Global Strat" approach is itemizing for both disable & disrupting the other team's ability to team fight. It works as something of an anti-Deathball lineup as well. This game was over by about 15 minutes, but it's quite interesting to see this wrinkle.
Great analysis. Their draft and execution kind of reminds me of a typical Terran control/contain strategy from Starcraft. Not the perfect comparison
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On May 13 2019 02:29 Minishield wrote:
I'm sorry for other teams, but rigt now Liquid and Secret are playing on a totally different level. It's not even close (at this time of course not over the year)
EG took a game off Secret yesterday and beat (admittedly a weaker-looking) Liquid earlier in the tournament. LGD took games off Liquid and Secret and lost (were already behind, but lost) that Liquid series to a ballsy throne push.
I'm okay with saying Liquid and Secret are top 2 right now (which is what the tournament says too), but there are definitely teams that can play with them.
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Matu in the back looks completely unphased. haha
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On May 13 2019 02:47 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Matu in the back looks completely unphased. haha
In every esport I've seen, Finns have been some of the most collected and unemotional people in high stress situations.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Oh look, it's Morph again
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On May 13 2019 02:36 Moobutt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2019 02:23 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Secret's wrinkle in a standard "Global Strat" approach is itemizing for both disable & disrupting the other team's ability to team fight. It works as something of an anti-Deathball lineup as well. This game was over by about 15 minutes, but it's quite interesting to see this wrinkle. Great analysis. Their draft and execution kind of reminds me of a typical Terran control/contain strategy from Starcraft. Not the perfect comparison
It was the closest thing to a Mech Strat you can see in Dota. The Arc Warden can always win the late game, so the point is to get all of that extra farm into very specific items.
One thing everyone lost about the way Wings played is that their point of drafting unconventional heroes was really about making sure their core approach wasn't banned, along with building items specifically to the prepared strategy. Secret's draft in game 2 could have been run through by TL if they didn't go with those types of items. No shotguns or Zeus Aghs and TL probably wins a fight around Roshan in the midgame.
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On May 13 2019 02:40 VGhost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2019 02:29 Minishield wrote:
I'm sorry for other teams, but rigt now Liquid and Secret are playing on a totally different level. It's not even close (at this time of course not over the year) EG took a game off Secret yesterday and beat (admittedly a weaker-looking) Liquid earlier in the tournament. LGD took games off Liquid and Secret and lost (were already behind, but lost) that Liquid series to a ballsy throne push. I'm okay with saying Liquid and Secret are top 2 right now (which is what the tournament says too), but there are definitely teams that can play with them.
yeah agree. Liquid stomped EG yesterday but EG looked absolutely amazing in their games against Secret. Much more than i thought they would. I'd put Liquid ahead of LGD but I def wouldn't say Liquid is miles ahead of EG even though they happened to stomp them yesterday.
It's dota, some teams are good against certain teams while others struggle against them. It's this Team A is better than Team B, and Team B is better than Team C therefore Team A is better than Team C mentality that is flawed.
Also, even though VP went out early it's kind of silly to not put them into the same category imo
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Other than some garbage drafts OG played really well too
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EG apparently has secured 3rd in the Premier League, lol.
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On May 13 2019 02:52 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2019 02:36 Moobutt wrote:On May 13 2019 02:23 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Secret's wrinkle in a standard "Global Strat" approach is itemizing for both disable & disrupting the other team's ability to team fight. It works as something of an anti-Deathball lineup as well. This game was over by about 15 minutes, but it's quite interesting to see this wrinkle. Great analysis. Their draft and execution kind of reminds me of a typical Terran control/contain strategy from Starcraft. Not the perfect comparison It was the closest thing to a Mech Strat you can see in Dota. The Arc Warden can always win the late game, so the point is to get all of that extra farm into very specific items. One thing everyone lost about the way Wings played is that their point of drafting unconventional heroes was really about making sure their core approach wasn't banned, along with building items specifically to the prepared strategy. Secret's draft in game 2 could have been run through by TL if they didn't go with those types of items. No shotguns or Zeus Aghs and TL probably wins a fight around Roshan in the midgame.
Secret's drafting is probably the best in the world right now. It's crazy that coming out of drafts it's so hard to forecast a winner.
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Think I favor liquid's draft here
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I wish Razor wasn't in the meta. There's no hero more boring
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GH: just dont get hit lol
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On May 13 2019 03:01 Moobutt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2019 02:52 Taf the Ghost wrote:On May 13 2019 02:36 Moobutt wrote:On May 13 2019 02:23 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Secret's wrinkle in a standard "Global Strat" approach is itemizing for both disable & disrupting the other team's ability to team fight. It works as something of an anti-Deathball lineup as well. This game was over by about 15 minutes, but it's quite interesting to see this wrinkle. Great analysis. Their draft and execution kind of reminds me of a typical Terran control/contain strategy from Starcraft. Not the perfect comparison It was the closest thing to a Mech Strat you can see in Dota. The Arc Warden can always win the late game, so the point is to get all of that extra farm into very specific items. One thing everyone lost about the way Wings played is that their point of drafting unconventional heroes was really about making sure their core approach wasn't banned, along with building items specifically to the prepared strategy. Secret's draft in game 2 could have been run through by TL if they didn't go with those types of items. No shotguns or Zeus Aghs and TL probably wins a fight around Roshan in the midgame. Secret's drafting is probably the best in the world right now. It's crazy that coming out of drafts it's so hard to forecast a winner.
Item builds matter as much, thus winning lanes dictates how the entire match plays out.
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It look close but already 6k lead for Secret.
Time to shine, Miracle
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Yeah Secret far ahead from this laning stage
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
This is over, Liquid are getting outplayed everywhere.
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Just realized that Secret is using a NiP-type draft. Just playing it a lot better.
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Doom walking off 3 to 4 heroes hitting him lol
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Razor from behind is such a worthless hero...
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What a curse!
On May 13 2019 03:20 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Doom walking off 3 to 4 heroes hitting him lol
Doesn't work so well when it's Secret's heroes.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Thank god that Secret went in 1 by 1 so we could turn that fight
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MidOne overplayed that massively going in solo vs all because of fresh BKB
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Are we going to see some 500 dmg per hit static link morph shit?
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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Why going to Rosh in that situation? Just when you had a glimpse of hope on this game.
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That was a nice two minutes where it looked like Liquid could turn it around.
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On May 13 2019 03:35 PhoenixVoid wrote:
That was a nice two minutes where it looked like Liquid could turn it around.
That was a blunder by Secret more than anything. They have the game in the bag.
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Crazy how Puppey's been at the very pinnacle of Dota 2 skill for a decade now, absolute legend
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Secret with their typical pub lineup: 4 cores + 1 poverty support.
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Slacks was a convincing boulder
Indiana Bulba on flip flops though
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Blitz on the roller coaster was funny not gonna lie
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On May 13 2019 03:55 Wineandbread wrote:
Blitz on the roller coaster was funny not gonna lie
I thought he was an amazing actor but he was actually scared to death lol
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
uhhh we have to beat yapzor rubick to make it to game 5 :S
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On May 13 2019 03:58 ShiaoPi wrote:
uhhh we have to beat yapzor rubick to make it to game 5 :S
Yap is going to have fun against an Enigma and ES.
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Puppey copying LGD this draft.
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this looks like a 2-2 to me, enigma especially can wreck havoc this game
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Disruptor solo safelane???
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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rip, this looks like it's over
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
fuck that disarm on sniper was so unfortunate
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Yeah, game 1 was just a fluke.
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What the hell? Did Liquid botch the spell chain on TA?
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LGD did this type of approach to NiP's Enigma opening. I wondered why this looked like a LGD draft, haha.
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lol Matu item build, MoM and 4x Wraith Bands.
"I need to do damage RIGHT NOW."
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I have a burning hate for AM, why did TL have to screw over this series by picking such a useless hero
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Wow Secret is playing their strengths so well
It's hard to go highground against sniper but not when he only got some wraith bands xd
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This looks over.
Liquid's head is not in it. They're playing extremely sloppy.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Secret running a clinic all over us :/
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whelp I was wrong, this is why you ban abaddon vs secret
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was just thinking, Puppey won all his finals played against Kuro, right?
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Just don't get it why you are not picking a favourable match up for Matu against MidOne. He got dumpstered three times in a row due to bad matchups.
That is just a bad drafting at all...disappointing after the showing against EG. So...the hope lies in the usual crumbling of Secret at TI.
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On May 13 2019 04:29 ShiaoPi wrote:
Secret running a clinic all over us :/
Secret has a team that does its work. It helps they have some of the best players in the world, but they've been borrowing significant draft concepts and game strategies from other teams throughout the last few weeks. They played Enigma like NiP does but with more damage & faster. They're playing the Enigma counter like LGD does but with more vision & save.
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I feel like these rescue Fissures are just helping Zai get more Rolling Thunder bounce backs.
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Damnnn if Zai got the silence there
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For as great as the Dota has been the last few days, this Meta is really way too dependent upon the first 10 minutes.
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I really don't get the sniper pick
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On May 13 2019 04:37 Taf the Ghost wrote:
For as great as the Dota has been the last few days, this Meta is really way too dependent upon the first 10 minutes.
That's really only been the case between the highest level teams though
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YEEEES
Muh boy puppey and zai
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On May 13 2019 04:31 Zea! wrote:
was just thinking, Puppey won all his finals played against Kuro, right?
How often do they actually meet each other in a finals though?
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Welp, Secret are just a cut above all right now.
Hopefully the next patch will shake up the meta again. But all in all I am very content with Liquid's performance, never would have thought that they could make it to the finals before the Major started.
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Congrats to Secret, they played a masterful tournament.
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At least there's a worthy ceremony with Mickey Mouse
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On May 13 2019 04:39 Elurie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2019 04:31 Zea! wrote:
was just thinking, Puppey won all his finals played against Kuro, right? How often do they actually meet each other in a finals though?
i remember shangai major, dreamleague season 8 and this.
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On May 13 2019 04:41 spudde123 wrote:
At least there's a worthy ceremony with Mickey Mouse
more hype than deadmau5 at TI
choosing some random guitar shredding instead of croud noise is a mistake though
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Miracle burned out after that quad rampage it seems.
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Photo op with Mickey first. Screw the trophy.
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On May 13 2019 04:39 ShiaoPi wrote:
Welp, Secret are just a cut above all right now.
Hopefully the next patch will shake up the meta again. But all in all I am very content with Liquid's performance, never would have thought that they could make it to the finals before the Major started.
Don't worry, Secret will crumble come TI.
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Now Puppey can cleave monitors
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Fucking Slacks cringing it up again.
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"Mr. Midone" - Slacks when talking to Sunbhie. All Asians look the same to him it seems
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On May 13 2019 04:43 ASoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2019 04:39 ShiaoPi wrote:
Welp, Secret are just a cut above all right now.
Hopefully the next patch will shake up the meta again. But all in all I am very content with Liquid's performance, never would have thought that they could make it to the finals before the Major started. Don't worry, Secret will crumble come TI.
At least EG will have 3rd place locked.
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A nice Major, good dota seen especially yesterday, next stop: EPICENTER
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Give it up to Puppy. Even after all the past drama with w33 and the EE blog, the man just keeps truckin' and winnin'!
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Congrats to Secret, best team in the world
they have now won 5/7 of LAN entered as full team (eliminated by VP twice, KL & DL)
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4 spots left to qualify, that's going to get interesting. We've already seen a couple shuffles.
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So we have to wait for the last minor to get a new patch? That's a month away, just give us new patch already before see drow every game.
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On May 13 2019 04:44 Danzo wrote:
Fucking Slacks cringing it up again.
That guy makes me mute any pregame talks, even when i'm not actively listening.
How this guy ever got even close to any job as a host/presenter/interviewer is way beyond what i'm capable of understanding.
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the last game was underwhelming
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Gratz Team Secret!
And overall a great tournament!
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EPT
Mars Dota 2 League/Disneyland Paris Major
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