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Poll: Evil Geniuses vs Team LiquidTeam Liquid Win (28) 51% Evil Geniuses Win (27) 49% 55 total votes Your vote: Evil Geniuses vs Team Liquid (Vote): Evil Geniuses Win
(Vote): Team Liquid Win
Poll: Vici Gaming vs Ninjas in PyjamasVici Gaming Win (16) 76% Ninjas in Pyjamas Win (5) 24% 21 total votes Your vote: Vici Gaming vs Ninjas in Pyjamas (Vote): Vici Gaming Win
(Vote): Ninjas in Pyjamas Win
Poll: Chaos vs Pain GamingChaos Win (10) 77% Pain Gaming Win (3) 23% 13 total votes Your vote: Chaos vs Pain Gaming (Vote): Chaos Win
(Vote): Pain Gaming Win
Poll: Keen Gaming vs FnaticKeen Gaming Win (14) 61% Fnatic Win (9) 39% 23 total votes Your vote: Keen Gaming vs Fnatic (Vote): Keen Gaming Win
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I'm rooting for my boys to 2-0 Liquid and finally win NA a Major, and I also think Peter "Leave China to me" Dager will beat VG
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Hoping EG vs Liquid is as good as their series at TI, and with the same result.
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I think EG will beat liquid. RTZ is on fire like I have not seen in years, and perhaps just as importantly, he's being given the tools to be so crazy
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On May 07 2019 08:54 Achaian wrote:
I think EG will beat liquid. RTZ is on fire like I have not seen in years, and perhaps just as importantly, he's being given the tools to be so crazy
It's a good patch for Hard Carries and a lot of RTZ's hero pool. That's for certain.
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Arguably has been a good year for hard carries in general no? This season seemed to also be good but EG still have fallen short up to this point, hoping they can get it together and win a tournament to get some confidence ahead of TI.
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They finally gave Slacks his Pirate Theme music for the Ad Read.
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Glad that I don't have any work this week so I can watch these games live. Don't let me down Arteezy!
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On May 07 2019 16:58 Pandemona wrote:
Arguably has been a good year for hard carries in general no? This season seemed to also be good but EG still have fallen short up to this point, hoping they can get it together and win a tournament to get some confidence ahead of TI.
It's been a decent Hard Carry season, but the main thing is that 4p1 is back. Probably because Oracle is so Meta.
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Wow nice plasmidghost, battlepass is out tomorrow as well, good week to have off! I am lucky and this morning i can watch this series at work peacefully :D
On May 07 2019 17:05 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 16:58 Pandemona wrote:
Arguably has been a good year for hard carries in general no? This season seemed to also be good but EG still have fallen short up to this point, hoping they can get it together and win a tournament to get some confidence ahead of TI. It's been a decent Hard Carry season, but the main thing is that 4p1 is back. Probably because Oracle is so Meta.
Yeah true, oracle has survived first phase bans here but so did Drow. This will be EG's first Drow of the tournament as well, having went completely stupidly ham on Drow last night in a pub its the most broken hero in the game by a gabillion miles right now. Soon as you get level 6 you hit jungle and 5 minutes later you come out with aghs and its gg.
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Well, we get a RTZ Drow, so at least that's great.
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I wonder what TL has in mind for countering first pick Drow
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what is bulba's face hair lol
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Ok so Oracle is not getting picked this game unless EG want it as position 4 which i doubt...interesting, thought Oracle Drow would have been good, keeping Drow alive for an extra 4-5 seconds while it machine guns down everyone in site sounded even more broken.
Hmm rounding out that draft with pottm mid? Quite a few squishy heroes outside of Centaur for EG, going to need to protect drow a lot and hope Sumail doesn't have a bad time mid either.
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Matu Brood!!! 
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Yeah Sumail struggling to lane this game and that isn't good. Centaur and Matumba going to huge at like 10 minutes they are destroying the CS charts mid lol. Rtc and Miracle getting farm they need though close start!
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Ok now there is a big matumbaman problem, as every hero that isn't S4 is dead to him xd
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I don't think this counter is going to work again with 10th pick, but it's a very good idea. Though I'm not sure I like this EG draft around the Drow.
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Yeah this games over, Rtc has no where to farm and they are just feeding brood right now xD
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man miracle why dive that far >_>
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On May 07 2019 17:38 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah this games over, Rtc has no where to farm and they are just feeding brood right now xD
It's the NP that really makes the TL draft work as a counter with the Broodmother, as the Brood takes the towers and the NP keeps the lanes pressed to the T3s.
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Yeah with that being said though it seems EG have the tools to deal with everything minus the brood here, the pick offs and plays on the other heroes is working for them.
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I'm hoping EG can delay long enough for Cr1t Aghs
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On May 07 2019 17:42 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah with that being said though it seems EG have the tools to deal with everything minus the brood here, the pick offs and plays on the other heroes is working for them.
TL really well layered their draft to get the Brood, though EG should have taken Medusa with their second pick.
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Oh well, I'm sure EG wins the next two
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I'm sure Likkid stomps them in 2nd game as well.
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This is where i wish Bulba would prio Lina more in his drafts, he never picks it for EG ever and with Drow i know Lina is squishy but you can avoid a brood game by last picking that hero in a game where it would have been good anyway. Oh well im sure it is easier to get over games like that when you know was just a pure outdraft with adaptions needed into draft 2 which should avoid that situation again.
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EG looked really shocked after that first game. I did not expect such a game and outdraft on this level both Teams are capable of playing.
Liquid one more game away from securing Top6. Curious to see if EG will adjust their drafts or if Kuro/rmn have another ace under their sleeve.
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they banned MC Furion 
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And Matu Brood banned as well. :D
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At MDL 2016, EG did this to OG in the Loser's Final. In that case, the broken hero was Wisp. EG worked OG with the ability to prepare so much for the Wisp.
Still, I don't know if this was the best way to approach this.
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Yeah but why no Oracle follow up with the Drow from EG, seems like building a draft around Drow and Oracle is a very big plus in the meta right now.
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I like the Ench pick here
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Bat pick is better, I wonder who Liquid's gonna get for a tank
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lol batrider
congrats for the 2-0 liquid
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Does Liquid go DK here?
Alch, interesting. I don't like it
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LS banned - time for Matu LD?
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Alchemist on EG and Sniper for TL, damn.
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In fairness its a good bat game and s4 probably one of the best ever on the hero. They have no save for laso atm and also now need to find a hero to stop the alch from snowballing as sumail is eyeing 1k gpm this game :d
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not sure I like the naga here :S
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Naga huh, if anyone knows how to play against it, it's Arteezy given how much he's spammed it in pubs
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interesting picks on both sides, looks like a long game from the outset
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Mh….dont know if Naga is the pick here. Was feeling confident till that last pick...
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Naga seems like the backup for if it goes late for Liquid, but surely there is no chance of beating Alchemist team late game? Everyone is aghs'd up at that point.
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Sumail getting the gold for GH kill was pretty big there.
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abbadon is such a stupid hero in the early
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Well EG getting perfect lanes and start so far, Liquid have some work to do here.
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pretty rough when your 5th pick is worked by their 4th pick :/
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Well it isn't "worked" because sumail has got what he wants, you never go past like level 4 in any lane as alch because you can't especially vs a ranged hero. Right now sumail is "free farming" everywhere else and sniper is the only who has anything from the laning stage with EG winning the other two lanes. S4 just has to now blink in and take sniper and Liquid have no damage.
As i type this sumail decides to die which cannot happen
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Then as i type that what i said about Sniper happens lol
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This one could get wild really fast.
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Crit really going all out for EG there damn
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Offt that fight showed Liquid can't get jumped by Sumail, rtc wasn't even in that fight.
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On May 07 2019 18:44 ShiaoPi wrote:
Crit really going all out for EG there damn
Strategically, someone has to push others around and make space. It's keeping EG in this.
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MC cheekily stealing the Boots of travel creep is some good stuff, but I think EG is starting to take over now :S
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wow 30 mins minute tower still stands
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Can we get Rtc an aghs, annoys me that he hasn't gone aghs on drow yet, it super broken and in this game vs naga why not, slice through them illusions!
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So bad sniper positioning
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That was some good shit by EG
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miracle is kinda subpar this game
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On May 07 2019 18:54 Pandemona wrote:
And that should be game!
If any other team was in question it should, but it's EG we are talking about here.
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Drow is getting banned next game.
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That were three horrible minutes for Liquid...must ban for Earthshaker and Drow next game.
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On May 07 2019 18:55 Ramiz1989 wrote:If any other team was in question it should, but it's EG we are talking about here.
Haha yeah they want to farm some more, but you can't stop a level 25 drow, the hero is stupidly broken.
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Rtc has aghs hoorah, now for double butterfly build xD
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This Enchantress really hamstrung TL as the game went on. MC just can't do much of anything because of the matchups.
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I mean the hero is broken before 25 as well, ult is just stupid.
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Troll warlord level attackspeed on that drow
but with no buildup time xd
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LOL Sniper nearly 2 shot from the aghs drow haha what a hero
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Game 1 - Brood'd
Game 2 - Alch'd
Game 3 - ???
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As predicted...Naga wasnt the pick here. MC totally underfarmed.
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I think the naga and ench in the end were just the wrong picks. They had very little impact in the grand scheme of things :S
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On May 07 2019 18:55 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Drow is getting banned next game.
I don't think Drow was the problem, Liquid just made a few too many misplays/Crit played extremely well
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On May 07 2019 18:59 Taf the Ghost wrote:
This Enchantress really hamstrung TL as the game went on. MC just can't do much of anything because of the matchups.
Don't know, I don't think it was a specific Enchantress problem, if they have won those fights and she got some farm it could be quite different story. Sniper was very useless as well.
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Cr1t played out of his mind, what a player
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On May 07 2019 19:02 Pandemona wrote:
Game 1 - Brood'd
Game 2 - Alch'd
Game 3 - ???
Drow/Huskar incoming?
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Is there any point to holding this at disneyland btw? Is Disney a sponsor?
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On May 07 2019 19:06 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 19:02 Pandemona wrote:
Game 1 - Brood'd
Game 2 - Alch'd
Game 3 - ??? Drow/Huskar incoming?
Yeah think that is the only thing left to see cheese wise? xD
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On May 07 2019 19:06 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 19:02 Pandemona wrote:
Game 1 - Brood'd
Game 2 - Alch'd
Game 3 - ??? Drow/Huskar incoming?
Techies
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On May 07 2019 19:06 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Is there any point to holding this at disneyland btw? Is Disney a sponsor?
I believe so. The LAN is going to be there, but they also have hotel space able to handle the non-Stage part. Plus, Disney has money set for esports as well.
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Are Disney coming into Esports? If they are wow and i need to read up on that but i didn't think they were into it yet. Well i guess also with Disney owning 99% of the world's business' i guess somewhere along the line they are involved with Esports now xD
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Disney is becoming one of the cyberpunk megacorps at this rate lmao
EG fighting!!! Let's do this!
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Yeah they defo are very scary and powerful.
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On May 07 2019 19:11 Pandemona wrote:
Are Disney coming into Esports? If they are wow and i need to read up on that but i didn't think they were into it yet. Well i guess also with Disney owning 99% of the world's business' i guess somewhere along the line they are involved with Esports now xD
They're big, non-concert events that are popular among the 13-18 age bracket. Disney will be interested. But, there were some articles about it from 2017 or 2018. There's also talk of esports stadiums in a few spaces in the States, Orlando being one of them.
It's not going to be huge, but they'd be interested in something like LCS Worlds or any other major event on their properties. I don't think they'll be TOs or anything like that, but cross-sponsorship like this makes sense.
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lol dissing Artifact on stream, Slacks gonna get Gabens wrath
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Win win for them too right, they have infrastructure at all there theme parks for these kinda events as well and great advertising for them.
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Why Liquid prioritizing Enigma ban over a Doom? I get the Drow and ES bans but Enigma over Doom? Enigma isn't "that" much of a problem is it? I know NA teams like to play it position 4 a lot but i don't see the broken value in a first phase ban for it.
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Finally oracle is picked up haha
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On May 07 2019 19:19 Pandemona wrote:
Why Liquid prioritizing Enigma ban over a Doom? I get the Drow and ES bans but Enigma over Doom? Enigma isn't "that" much of a problem is it? I know NA teams like to play it position 4 a lot but i don't see the broken value in a first phase ban for it.
Doom can be dealt with. Jungle Enigma can just pop out and ruin your game. Enigma also changes your engagements like Tidehunter does.
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Matus face as brood gets banned :D
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Oracle is a good hero, hopefully EG can win with it
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LD pick is going to do work here, I fear
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On May 07 2019 19:23 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 19:19 Pandemona wrote:
Why Liquid prioritizing Enigma ban over a Doom? I get the Drow and ES bans but Enigma over Doom? Enigma isn't "that" much of a problem is it? I know NA teams like to play it position 4 a lot but i don't see the broken value in a first phase ban for it. Doom can be dealt with. Jungle Enigma can just pop out and ruin your game. Enigma also changes your engagements like Tidehunter does.
Yeah changing the way you play argument i can see, but Doom can't be "stopped" to an extent right, guy is a walking tank that is getting his Doom off on someone unless they have a linken's which now this morph's first item is. Lina pick finally by EG but irrelevant cuz its a position 4 xd
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I like the draft better this time around
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What the freaking cheese strat is that lmao
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loooooooool
never seen before in the history of doters
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TL can book a trip to TI with a win in this match. Good time to bring out the cheese tactics.
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I... what... that... what?
That's certainly something I've never seen before. Regardless of the result, this series has delivered in terms of strats.
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What was that gank EG, Matumba was dead and no one last hit him, fly just needed to nuke him but seemed to forget or leave it to someone else XD
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Nothing feels better than blowing up a greedy morphling
On May 07 2019 19:37 Pandemona wrote:
What was that gank EG, Matumba was dead and no one last hit him, fly just needed to nuke him but seemed to forget or leave it to someone else XD
Yeah that was pretty weird
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I am not watching bulldog stream because without sound its awful (at work) but i assume he has something to say about matumba not going radiance bear here? That is the only way Bulldog says the hero works and Matumba has gone mask of madness so...
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Why is LD a cheese strat here?
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The hammer!!! Remember back in winter when EG first picked OD every game, i member xd
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On May 07 2019 19:42 PoulsenB wrote:
Why is LD a cheese strat here?
Before 00 second runes spawned, Abbadon skilled his passive and they ran at tier 1 tower and got it down to half hp (creeps not even spawned) was crazy xD
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When you have a lycan lineup but use the wolves to deny your own towers instead of pushing theirs
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As TL has messed up before, Stuns Matter.
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TL so good splitting damage to kill 0 heroes, top play
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This is the weirdest game of the tournament so far.
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The problem as well with that cheese strat is now Kuro has a "wasted" passive skill which is no use and he is starved of levels.
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That was a sick disengage by EG
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3 man gank on Doom, he just runs off lol
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On May 07 2019 19:43 Pandemona wrote:Before 00 second runes spawned, Abbadon skilled his passive and they ran at tier 1 tower and got it down to half hp (creeps not even spawned) was crazy xD
This is both silly and brilliant lmao
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Ok wtf was that mind control + gh lol
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And my bad he has gone radiance strat on lone druid he has just gone mask first on the bear itself now. Interesting, late radiance but still very hard to stop the bear from EG side unless they really do extend this lead.
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21 minute hex OD is scary
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On May 07 2019 19:52 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
21 minute hex OD is scary
Yeah huge item, morph's game just got 300x harder and OD is now hitting like a truck
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Erm what how on earth did Miracle do that haha, crazy. He took 18 int off OD xD
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Miracle wave into stun lmao
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Double death there on miracle seems to be the signalling of the end, EG should have this game now
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break linkens, hex, hit twice, ult bye bye morphling
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And another death ouch poor miracle, he got back into this game when EG decided to not run at him when he had no farm at all and struggling, then he was back and did huge damage and killed rtc and sumail. Now he just dying for fun
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ROFL Where did miracle go
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Rip
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What a game by EG, that was sick
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On May 07 2019 20:04 Pandemona wrote:
ROFL Where did miracle go
Got banished to the Lower Bracket.
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Hope not to see a first phase Morph again when OD is still in the pool.
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On May 07 2019 20:04 Taf the Ghost wrote:Got banished to the Lower Bracket.
Yeah haha, boom.
Well done EG! Onto another hard game vs vici gaming now damn!
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Peter "Leave China to me" Dager is about to win this series 2-0 (plus, I really want to see EG vs Peter for old times' sake)
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Yes!! So happy they won, Liquid has been EG's nemesis for far too long :D
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On May 07 2019 20:05 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 20:04 Taf the Ghost wrote:On May 07 2019 20:04 Pandemona wrote:
ROFL Where did miracle go Got banished to the Lower Bracket. Yeah haha, boom. Well done EG! Onto another hard game vs vici gaming now damn!
Don't count out NiP just yet.
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There is a big gap between EG and liquid atm. Liquid outdrafted EG in game 1 but even in that game it felt like EG were outplaying them. Liquid is still struggling to reach their form. EG on the other hand seem close to their historical best.
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On May 07 2019 20:09 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 20:05 Pandemona wrote:On May 07 2019 20:04 Taf the Ghost wrote:On May 07 2019 20:04 Pandemona wrote:
ROFL Where did miracle go Got banished to the Lower Bracket. Yeah haha, boom. Well done EG! Onto another hard game vs vici gaming now damn! Don't count out NiP just yet.
The way VG dumpstered PSG.LGD i can't see anything but VG win here, NIP didn't even look good in groupstages imo either. But we shall see indeed, right first 4 hours of work spent watching EG, better actually do some work now xD
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On May 07 2019 20:10 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 20:09 Taf the Ghost wrote:On May 07 2019 20:05 Pandemona wrote:On May 07 2019 20:04 Taf the Ghost wrote:On May 07 2019 20:04 Pandemona wrote:
ROFL Where did miracle go Got banished to the Lower Bracket. Yeah haha, boom. Well done EG! Onto another hard game vs vici gaming now damn! Don't count out NiP just yet. The way VG dumpstered PSG.LGD i can't see anything but VG win here, NIP didn't even look good in groupstages imo either. But we shall see indeed, right first 4 hours of work spent watching EG, better actually do some work now xD
VG are the favorite, certainly, but VG has a plays style that can be countered. I expect NiP to probably do a "trade blows then take it in the later midgame" approach... like they always do.
RTZ giving the solo translator some long answers.
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i think tl should switch to the other miracle
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oh look it's taf's favorite pick for nip, rhasta
they got the doom though so 33's game is assured
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Hey, Pajkatt found a spot. VG first pick banned Drow with their first ban. HAHA
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praise be we have a dusa ban, and all the viewers rejoiced
grimstroke, oracle, nyx, and lion bans mean we might actually get some interesting support picks
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Wait, Pajkatt is the coach of NIP? @@
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On May 07 2019 20:46 ChickenDieAlive wrote:
Wait, Pajkatt is the coach of NIP? @@
a coach in dota is more like an adviser than anything else
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I don't know why Lich isn't picked more often to be honest. Medusa and Drow banned might mean that we got a great game already.
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On May 07 2019 20:46 ChickenDieAlive wrote:
Wait, Pajkatt is the coach of NIP? @@
Yup, they let Clairvoyance go after the Minor. Pajkatt and ppd get along really well, plus he kind of coached DC to 2nd at TI6.
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nip could straight up go for a storm here, so little disable
ooh the lone druid this gets interesting
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Kyle is so biased toward VG.
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doom unkillable in the late with satyr creep, this last pick LD has made the lanes so easy for nip
well, despite the 2 kills there's a solid gold lead
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how do you lose that many bounties with a np
im not sure
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NiP was ready for VG's collapses on the T1 towers and made them trade for them. It's like they watched the previous Major and the timings VG uses. (I was really annoyed teams just never expected it for the whole tournament.)
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LOL how can the team of VG's calibre just ignore bounty runes from the start... after the first runes, NIP got all 4 bounties 2 times in a row.
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5-0 yet 3k gold lead, bounty runes OP
eyyy now nip got some kills to go with the lead
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I bet kyle is feeling real stupid right about now
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I think you can find me ranting about teams not paying any attention to VG's timings in the Stockholm Major thread. VG is a Rotk-coached team. They always have some core Push-Timing Strat.
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HAHAHAHAHA YANG SPROUT LMAO
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Leave-China-to-me PPD boyz.
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the pushing line uo got pushed lol
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Looking good for NiP
I don't think VG's core matchup is favorable later in the game either
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to borrow some FGC slang, I believe this is a "download complete" moment. VG have to change their whole strategy or this series is over.
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This NP is just a glorified ranged creep at this point.
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VG got worked, but that was only game 1.
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On May 07 2019 21:27 Taf the Ghost wrote:
VG got worked, but that was only game 1.
does an rotk team have a plan b?
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VG won the last Major by getting the T1 Mid tower down early, then using that positional strength to keep the other carries without farm. VG is a Tier 1 team, but it was like teams weren't adjusting. If anyone remembers that 50 Game Win Streak from Newbee a few years ago, it was quite a lot like that (though that came a lot off abusing a few hero timings and a Western scene having gone through a big reshuffle.
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On May 07 2019 21:28 Achaian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 21:27 Taf the Ghost wrote:
VG got worked, but that was only game 1. does an rotk team have a plan b?
After a decade, maybe he has a plan b for once. Maybe?
Is that Maybe's Music!?!
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On May 07 2019 21:30 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 21:28 Achaian wrote:On May 07 2019 21:27 Taf the Ghost wrote:
VG got worked, but that was only game 1. does an rotk team have a plan b? After a decade, maybe he has a plan b for once. Maybe? Is that Maybe's Music!?!
WWE: dota edition would be sick
given LGD's position in the bracket a match between nip and LGD would be possible
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Well looking at VG's drafts this event, I think this was the most all-in they've been on getting ahead and just bulldozing through. In this game their lineup would have been hard to run into and has loads of pushing power if they ever get to group up, but once they get behind they have no initiation at all to pull off any sort of a teamfight win.
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wew lad the fast picks from peter, is this the big brain or the big blunder?
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On May 07 2019 21:41 Achaian wrote:
wew lad the fast picks from peter, is this the big brain or the big blunder?
It's a well-worked out strat, but NiP can't allow VG get really up with their early Tower taking approach.
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Medusa Venge seems like a pretty solid start against that sort of style anyway as long as you don't get completely zoned in lane a la Beastcoast
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loving this night stalker, VG have some truly nasty combos this game though
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Looks like Fade is having some allergy issues.
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What is this greedy ass draft?
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really good draft from vg hard to get completely dumpstered early
oh yeah baby mid night stalker
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Well, VG wins this after 45 minutes.
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On May 07 2019 21:50 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Well, VG wins this after 45 minutes.
I dunno NS is a nasty carry with the right talents. He can slap with the best of them when ult is up, like broodmother
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This is a bit bizarre from NiP
I'd love to cheer for NS pick but I got money riding on VG
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Yeah NS's talents are insane
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VG decided to go the 4 Core Draft, which means they just want to drag this late, thus NiP adjusts and goes harder & earlier. But, man, Blademail Axe can do some work here.
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wait a minute, does axe dunk troll? never seen that interaction
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On May 07 2019 21:52 Achaian wrote:
wait a minute, does axe dunk troll? never seen that interaction
Should be able to.
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On May 07 2019 21:52 Achaian wrote:
wait a minute, does axe dunk troll? never seen that interaction
Yeah slices through like with dazzle
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A fun draft from NiP, hope it works
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I'm surprised NS got so much from that lane against troll in the 1st 5min, probably gonna watch that later from his pov
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Not a great sign when the roaming Mag has this much farm
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Who would have thought that splitting bounties would end up in comparable networth
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On May 07 2019 22:03 spudde123 wrote:
Not a great sign when the roaming Mag has this much farm
NiP isn't a great aggressive team, so they're playing too passive while trying to be aggressive.
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Pretty sure this is over. The Trilane against the Axe worked wonders.
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On May 07 2019 22:05 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 22:03 spudde123 wrote:
Not a great sign when the roaming Mag has this much farm NiP isn't a great aggressive team, so they're playing too passive while trying to be aggressive.
Well their options are incredible limited because of how bad Axe's lane was. It's not an aggressive hero at all if he gets behind like this. Fata's NS is strong but he can't do enough damage alone
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On May 07 2019 22:07 spudde123 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 22:05 Taf the Ghost wrote:On May 07 2019 22:03 spudde123 wrote:
Not a great sign when the roaming Mag has this much farm NiP isn't a great aggressive team, so they're playing too passive while trying to be aggressive. Well their options are incredible limited because of how bad Axe's lane was. It's not an aggressive hero at all if he gets behind like this. Fata's NS is strong but he can't do enough damage alone
Agreed. VG was prepared to punish a lot of NiP's drafts that don't have enough damage. Hopefully game 3 will be closer from both sides.
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Ori and Paparazzi with the super fast satanics, in trolls case his second item. Oh wait its both second items lol
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Is this one of those axe games where you finally get a gamewinning call but you are so far behind they burst you through the 30 armor anyway
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So, both games were over by 10 minutes?
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how to stop axe from creep skipping: kill him
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OMG I can't believe I have just barely missed an Axe game...
at least I didn't have to watch my boy bullied
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No oracle, abbadon, prophet bans or pick first phase? wow
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PL?
this draft makes me nervous. Hero is not great, maybe we have a good last pick
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On May 07 2019 22:36 Achaian wrote:
PL?
this draft makes me nervous. Hero is not great, maybe we have a good last pick
All down to timing. I've got no clue.
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wow how the hell does VG win this without snowballing
they have awful initiation later unless NP becomes extremely fat and starts orchid/nullfier people with teleporting at the back of the team everytime
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On May 07 2019 22:47 goody153 wrote:
wow how the hell does VG win this without snowballing
they have awful initiation later unless NP becomes extremely fat and starts orchid/nullfier people with teleporting at the back of the team everytime
Meduas can hard carry pretty much any game that doesn't have a Drow. Weaver doesn't have much to lock him down. It's going to take a while for either team, though.
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Ori saw that coming, right?
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this game has turned on the shared ring of health allowing PL to survive to level 5 where he can outlane the prophet
MEANWHILE in bot lane
VG have 0 depush
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i thought mid wards were supposed to allow you to know if heroes are rotating
guess ori doesnt think the same
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Enigma gave PL his ring of health until dominator was done. So nice to see that used again.
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On May 07 2019 22:48 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 22:47 goody153 wrote:
wow how the hell does VG win this without snowballing
they have awful initiation later unless NP becomes extremely fat and starts orchid/nullfier people with teleporting at the back of the team everytime Meduas can hard carry pretty much any game that doesn't have a Drow. Weaver doesn't have much to lock him down. It's going to take a while for either team, though.
Doesn't PL 6 slot with 3 seconds 2nd skill is abit too tanky and hard enough to kill that he should drain dusa mana by just spamming 2nd on top of her. Also produces illusion all the time.
Dusa is only tanky so long as the shield is up. Without it she's basically just another agi carry
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idk how vg wins this game
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On May 07 2019 22:49 Achaian wrote:
this game has turned on the shared ring of health allowing PL to survive to level 5 where he can outlane the prophet
MEANWHILE in bot lane
VG didn't get the Mid T1 during the 8 min, 5 man rotation. That's a bad sign for them. VG is going to be split-pushing this for a while.
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On May 07 2019 22:51 Faruko wrote:
idk how vg wins this game
I mean if Dusa is 1-2 items ahead of the NIP cores and just starts ending the game then i see them winning. Otherwise they have a drow lineup without a drow and has noclear initiation.
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Yang is having VG.Thunder flashbacks on this Prophet right now.
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unless VG counter rotate really hard they lose here
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Oh, ppd just got a stack via using Icepath to stun them.
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Yang is a terrific NP, doesnt pick bounties, doesnt push lanes, gets picked off all the time
thats 2 out of 3 times in the same series, and probably not 3 out of 3 because game 2 he didnt play np
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17 min manta diffusal PL is ouch
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If someone on NiP can get Halberd, they can put Ori out of these fights too.
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china might need shady move to win TI this year. they do not look impressive at all.
btw is this yang the worst prophet of all time ? his teleport is basically a click to feed gold for enemies.
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All outer towers down at 19 minutes, no T1 losses for NiP.
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"Yang says, "I'm good at dying, I'll join in!' " - ODpixel 2019
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Yang casually walked in and fed.
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Yang has to be the worst natures prophet player in the world? xD
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Yang playing that pub prophet that takes farm to donate it to the enemy
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is yang thinking he is playing a stun hero? why did he went down, what did he had to stop that black hole
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kind of sketchy that a global ult can do 75% of PL's health
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On May 07 2019 23:02 Pandemona wrote:
Yang has to be the worst natures prophet player in the world? xD
Yang is having a bad Prophet day.
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On May 07 2019 23:04 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 23:02 Pandemona wrote:
Yang has to be the worst natures prophet player in the world? xD Yang is having a bad Prophet day.
Yeah damn r0tk picking it for him again haha, i assume in fairness it was a deny pick take to keep him away from NIP
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At this point it's a tactical feed so dusa gets more gold when NP fuck up
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can someone please gift yang the mushroom hat cosmetic
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VG: We are coming back!
Yang: Nah
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Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
LOL he queued up a hex and bought the mystic staff part already, jesus Yang stop it, your never getting that xD
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Good lord he is 0 and 8 xD
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well to be fair to yang, this is a horrible NP game, 3 of their heroes have stuns that bypass sprout vision and both razor and np just run to him and kill him
still he has been incredibly awful at taking decisions
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19 to 8 bounty runes
with a weaver and a np
this is baffling, thats like 5k lead there just by bounties alone
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Ghost Scepter against a Jakiro...
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VG should've kicked Yang before the event. Might've gone better!
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this team won a major and beat secret, psg and vp to do so
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Wow, congrats to NiP. ppd the China Slayer is fully activated.
That Lower Bracket is now pretty stacked.
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Haha well ok i did not expect that, fairplay to NIP.
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PPD and his weird anti-Chinese magics haha
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That game had to end on Fade swapping Yang in to die while dying himself to the DoT damage.
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Kyle has been demoated, HAHA.
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Nice showing from NiP. Pretty sure that Enigma will not make an appearance again for NiP. Saksa played goddamn well.
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oof, chaos vs pain, this sounds so bad lol
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Still can't believe PPD is relevant again haha
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On May 07 2019 23:14 Ej_ wrote:
VG should've kicked Yang before the event. Might've gone better!
This was more like ROTK's fault for picking Yang this.
I mean what did he expect for Yang to do against like most of NIP heroes dumptering his. Should've just picked him axe or ES or something that has stun.
One might wonder how much it would've been a different game if ROTK actually drafted solid initiators on their team.
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On May 07 2019 23:18 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 23:14 Ej_ wrote:
VG should've kicked Yang before the event. Might've gone better! This was more like ROTK's fault for picking Yang this. I mean what did he expect for Yang to do against like most of NIP heroes dumptering his. Should've just picked him axe or ES or something that has stun. One might wonder how much it would've been a different game if ROTK actually drafted solid initiators on their team.
Setting up Yang as the fall guy and ROTK makes his glorious return just in time for TI as the offlaner
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Surely you can at least split bounty runes in half with a weaver and a np, AT LEAST.
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On May 07 2019 23:17 Rufus Dupres wrote:
Nice showing from NiP. Pretty sure that Enigma will not make an appearance again for NiP. Saksa played goddamn well.
Don't ban the Shadow Shaman from NiP. It's their crutch pick, but they're not actually great with it. Trust me, I've seen a lot of really terrible Wards placements.
As for NiP, this should mathematically lock NiP, Fnatic & LGD into TI because of the current bracket and just the lack of ability for 6 more teams to jump them in points. At this rate, J.Storm might make TI even if they don't make the next Major or Minor. (And even the Minor is going to matter for them in the next cycle.)
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On May 07 2019 23:18 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 23:14 Ej_ wrote:
VG should've kicked Yang before the event. Might've gone better! This was more like ROTK's fault for picking Yang this. I mean what did he expect for Yang to do against like most of NIP heroes dumptering his. Should've just picked him axe or ES or something that has stun. One might wonder how much it would've been a different game if ROTK actually drafted solid initiators on their team.
VG had 2nd pick & NP was taken 3rd by them. NiP had 3 response picks, which were Jakiro, PL and Sand King. NiP kind of drafted to dumpster Yang and snowball the PL.
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On May 07 2019 23:30 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 23:18 goody153 wrote:On May 07 2019 23:14 Ej_ wrote:
VG should've kicked Yang before the event. Might've gone better! This was more like ROTK's fault for picking Yang this. I mean what did he expect for Yang to do against like most of NIP heroes dumptering his. Should've just picked him axe or ES or something that has stun. One might wonder how much it would've been a different game if ROTK actually drafted solid initiators on their team. VG had 2nd pick & NP was taken 3rd by them. NiP had 3 response picks, which were Jakiro, PL and Sand King. NiP kind of drafted to dumpster Yang and snowball the PL.
Disruptor and Dusa is decent but come on weaver, vs picks was just like setting them up to die to PL lategame
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I think Chaos takes it convincingly
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On May 07 2019 23:53 plasmidghost wrote:
I think Chaos takes it convincingly
Chaos isn't on a timer, but I think they take this because they're just better. Not a huge fan of this draft, especially if Pain can drag it really late.
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BLACK HOOOOOOOOLE
game still pretty even despite the back and forth strangeness
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tranquils midas silencer, I guess that's one way to be useful besides your ult eventually
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On May 08 2019 00:27 Achaian wrote:
tranquils midas silencer, I guess that's one way to be useful besides your ult eventually
I think they're expecting the ultra-late game, which a Silencer is really brutal there.
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i think teams that win a team fight and dont pick a single bounty rune, and in fact, let the other team pick 4 should be kicked from dota right away
banned if possible
91x4x5 = 1.8k gold for chaos
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On May 08 2019 00:30 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2019 00:27 Achaian wrote:
tranquils midas silencer, I guess that's one way to be useful besides your ult eventually I think they're expecting the ultra-late game, which a Silencer is really brutal there.
but the real question is, does he go gpm or int steal?
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Just watched the EG vs Liquid games and holy shit. Thought we had a good fighting chance in games 2 and 3 but Cr1t and S4 just took the entire team into their shoulders and carried hard. Not to say that rest of EG wasn't good but S4 and Cr1t showed some of the best dota I've seen in those games. So dominant tempo control and always making the fights difficult for liquid by getting the stuns and being disruptive all through the game.
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ayyyyyy weaver just lost chaos the major
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On May 08 2019 00:32 Achaian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2019 00:30 Taf the Ghost wrote:On May 08 2019 00:27 Achaian wrote:
tranquils midas silencer, I guess that's one way to be useful besides your ult eventually I think they're expecting the ultra-late game, which a Silencer is really brutal there. but the real question is, does he go gpm or int steal?
GPM. He'll want carry items.
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That was a pretty huge throw by hFn
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On May 08 2019 00:33 Oukka wrote:
Just watched the EG vs Liquid games and holy shit. Thought we had a good fighting chance in games 2 and 3 but Cr1t and S4 just took the entire team into their shoulders and carried hard. Not to say that rest of EG wasn't good but S4 and Cr1t showed some of the best dota I've seen in those games. So dominant tempo control and always making the fights difficult for liquid by getting the stuns and being disruptive all through the game.
Cr1t turned that series hard. He's playing really well.
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On May 08 2019 00:35 plasmidghost wrote:
That was a pretty huge throw by hFn
On drafts alone, at 15 minutes being pretty even, Pain should win this, but it's still Pain vs Chaos. It's going to be a "who throws last".
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that was a clutch euls holy shit, that epi could have been great
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This is the clown fiesta I love. SA vs SA doesn't disappoint
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I should not have underestimated paiN
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TL appreciates the extremely easy DPC points they'll get in 2 days.
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I think chaos might have won a bo3 but pain definitely played better this game
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I think KG takes this game but I hope Fnatic wins
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On May 08 2019 00:44 Taf the Ghost wrote:
TL appreciates the extremely easy DPC points they'll get in 2 days.
Liquid got eliminated by a SA team last major so I'm not so sure.
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All rares on Keen in the next game right? :D Based on group stages Keen seemed quite strong, didn't catch Fnatics games tho. Were they better than the 1-4 map score or is that accurate representation of their form?
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On May 08 2019 01:01 ChickenDieAlive wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2019 00:44 Taf the Ghost wrote:
TL appreciates the extremely easy DPC points they'll get in 2 days. Liquid got eliminated by a SA team last major so I'm not so sure.
there's quite some history (liquid, if you go further back OG) of big name teams getting rekt by "weak" regions in the lower bracket
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On May 08 2019 01:03 Oukka wrote:
All rares on Keen in the next game right? :D Based on group stages Keen seemed quite strong, didn't catch Fnatics games tho. Were they better than the 1-4 map score or is that accurate representation of their form?
Keen has been better so far but frankly this match is a coin toss
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IIIIN THE CIRCLE OF LIIIIFEEEE
the death of mufasa is still one of my saddest moments in life
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On May 08 2019 01:05 Achaian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2019 01:01 ChickenDieAlive wrote:On May 08 2019 00:44 Taf the Ghost wrote:
TL appreciates the extremely easy DPC points they'll get in 2 days. Liquid got eliminated by a SA team last major so I'm not so sure. there's quite some history (liquid, if you go further back OG) of big name teams getting rekt by "weak" regions in the lower bracket
Isn't this where we say best of one and brush it off. I'm quite confident anyways and Pain did not look strong at all.
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I'm hype for the battle pass reveal after this game, I haven't bought one since 2014, but I might this year
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i'm a bit baffled about od and fogged saying how fnatic is in a good situation, and i'm really not sure about that
this spirit vessel invoker has not been involved in many kills and that actually affects tbh
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Fnatic is pretty much dead at this point
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Keen will win for my 0:4 prediction today!
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I didn't expect Fnatic to win this, but still. A-hole.
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Hard to believe this is the same Fnatic that almost went to the finals last Major.
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Old 11 mechanical skill is pretty insane. He can pull off vacuum wall centaur stun combo almost instantaneously.
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Man Fnatic seriously underperformed this major, feelsbadman
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I think Fnatic has to be the biggest disappointment this Major
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1 day game break :<
Hopefully a battle pass to spend free time playing :D
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EPT
Mars Dota 2 League/Disneyland Paris Major
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