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Pandemona
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MAJOOOOOOOOOOOR HYPE'U !
4 matches at once, that sucks :p
KG vs Liquid and VP vs TT are my to-go matches
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I doubt TT will even be able to win a game in group stages, let alone a series
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So I've been "out of the game" for a while. Any probable dark horses?
What "T2" team(s) will most likely secure a spot at TI this major?
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On May 04 2019 05:14 Sloke wrote:
So I've been "out of the game" for a while. Any probable dark horses?
What "T2" team(s) will most likely secure a spot at TI this major?
I think Chaos or NiP will surprise everyone with a deep run
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Y'all ready to get bodied by my bracket?
I am
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Oh no i have so many errands today and i didn't even know the games start today 
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VP vs team TEAM is a pretty hype way to start this major.
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Oh damn we finally see OG in a major lmao.
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English stream not even online 10m before game start.
Russian stream is going strong for 5 minutes for a pre show already.
I wonder why russian stream numbers seem so consistent while english ones start declining.
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The channels were just a little bit weird, I've added the ones I've seen to the sidebar 
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what matches are commended to watch? guess TL vs Keen and Chaos vs NiP?
what about group C/D matches?
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On May 04 2019 17:11 Sloke wrote:
what matches are commended to watch? guess TL vs Keen and Chaos vs NiP?
what about group C/D matches?
VP vs TT/Beastcoast should be a good watch if your are an Envy hater.
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On May 04 2019 17:11 Sloke wrote:
what matches are commended to watch? guess TL vs Keen and Chaos vs NiP?
what about group C/D matches?
My go-to matches today are
VP vs TT - for the luls
TL vs KG
PSG vs Mineski
OG vs Fnatic
Edit : TL with the pretty funny draft here O_O
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Game 1 and everyone clearly watched the Minor. LOL
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wondering how keen could withstand liquid's midgame onslaught
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Let's go Liquid, #roadtoTI!
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so how is there any synergy in liquids draft? whats the goal? end in under 30min?
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#productionvalue
Both TL and VP games paused, because of lag issues.
Gotta love the Major start.
Edit : Secret 2nd picked Pudge, gotta love Puppey.
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Finally a Pudge pick !!
Secret vs Empire
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On May 04 2019 17:25 Sloke wrote:
so how is there any synergy in liquids draft? whats the goal? end in under 30min?
Wipe out the towers while Naga farms, then use an Aegis to take high ground with Naga hits her first peak before the Medusa/Drow gets going. At 60 minutes, Keen should walk away with this, but they're going to have trouble getting there.
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Great start into the Major having pauses for several minutes in the first series...andd now a pause for indefinite time. This sucks.
Keen can run over Liquid in 20 min, afterwards Liquid may have a time window but late game Drow, Medusa, NP will just crush Naga again. Don't feel the draft at all as well, but I hope they show me that I am wrong.
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where's that Pudge hype?!.
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VP is really gonna make fun of TT in this game >D
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lmao, not even 1080 60 fps official stream, what a joke
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On May 04 2019 17:42 calippo wrote:
lmao, not even 1080 60 fps official stream, what a joke
Refresh the stream and u gonna have 1080p.
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You tend to want a lineup with sustained dps against dusa, not a lineup with burst. Doesn't look good when Liquid can't even win lanes. And they are going to lose more map control against furion drow, and might never get a chance to even hit their early game timing.
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Okay, is it suddenly Grimstroke day? I'm guessing someone won a bunch of scrims with it.
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On May 04 2019 17:43 babysimba wrote:
You tend to want a lineup with sustained dps against dusa, not a lineup with burst. Doesn't look good when Liquid can't even win lanes. And they are going to lose more map control against furion drow, and might never get a chance to even hit their early game timing.
It would be nice if someone got the smart idea to hunt the Medaus and/or Drow around the map after about 10 minutes.
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On May 04 2019 17:43 739 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 17:42 calippo wrote:
lmao, not even 1080 60 fps official stream, what a joke Refresh the stream and u gonna have 1080p.
thanks
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On May 04 2019 17:45 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 17:43 babysimba wrote:
You tend to want a lineup with sustained dps against dusa, not a lineup with burst. Doesn't look good when Liquid can't even win lanes. And they are going to lose more map control against furion drow, and might never get a chance to even hit their early game timing. It would be nice if someone got the smart idea to hunt the Medaus and/or Drow around the map after about 10 minutes.
The problem is they can't really hunt if Keen start taking down tier 1s early and keep pushing lanes in with furion.
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On May 04 2019 17:46 babysimba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 17:45 Taf the Ghost wrote:On May 04 2019 17:43 babysimba wrote:
You tend to want a lineup with sustained dps against dusa, not a lineup with burst. Doesn't look good when Liquid can't even win lanes. And they are going to lose more map control against furion drow, and might never get a chance to even hit their early game timing. It would be nice if someone got the smart idea to hunt the Medaus and/or Drow around the map after about 10 minutes. The problem is they can't really hunt if Keen start taking down tier 1s early and keep pushing lanes in with furion.
I know, it's just that I watched most of the Minor and this happens in every hard-carry meta. There is a point between 10 and 20 minutes that a lot of really aggressive rotations will get you a lot more than just letting a hard carry farm freely. Obviously, losing lanes makes that approach difficult, which is why lanes have been so important lately, but it'd still be nice to see some actual aggression where it's useful.
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Triple Kill from Dusa after 11 minutes. This is already getting out of hands.
Losing again their lanes that hard. I wonder what rmn and Kuro have been doing since Dreamhack. Even the Casters have mentioned that Liquid is having serious issues with their laning stages.
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guess that drow/dusa lineup is online* after barely 15min ... don't see how keen is giving this one away
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really bad engagement by Keen
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On May 04 2019 17:55 739 wrote:
Dunno, if TL keeps drafting like this and giving away games, I think they're gonna need a rebuild.
Let's see if they start playing in next game, cause this one is done.
Keen might have just caught them off guard with the draft. Opening Drow/NP was good and, as NiP & Ehome showed at the Minor, Drow is a perfectly viable first-phase material.
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Keen vs TL is the only interesting game 1. Top-ranked teams are kinda rolling the other matches right now.
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Keen just made the classic Shadow Shaman mistake of using Wards to kill someone that isn't the Carry.
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Well diffusal naga does shred both dusa and drowpretty well >.>
TL might still have a chance
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Chinese teams have been doing these fast pushes in sub 30 minutes to grab a "free" T3 or more. It's a good play, though, in this game, TL has 5 heroes that can wave clear hard.
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That Nullifier reveal went REALLY well.
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Pros who get nullifier = good player
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Is Keen getting to that position where they eventually become the strongest chinese team by the time of TI ? Just like how LGD eventually became like the strongest team pre-TI
They have in a rise lately.
On May 04 2019 18:10 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Chinese teams have been doing these fast pushes in sub 30 minutes to grab a "free" T3 or more. It's a good play, though, in this game, TL has 5 heroes that can wave clear hard.
Can't really clear waves if they have heroes who just tank the nukes and well when they kill everybody.
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On May 04 2019 18:12 babysimba wrote:
Pros who get nullifier = good player
Nullifier is a pretty good item. It stops the item that stops most stuff (bkb)
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On May 04 2019 18:12 goody153 wrote:Is Keen getting to that position where they eventually become the strongest chinese team by the time of TI ? Just like how LGD eventually became like the strongest team pre-TI They have in a rise lately. Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 18:10 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Chinese teams have been doing these fast pushes in sub 30 minutes to grab a "free" T3 or more. It's a good play, though, in this game, TL has 5 heroes that can wave clear hard. Can't really clear waves if they have heroes who just tank the nukes and well when they kill everybody.
I think it's more Keen just drafted a lot of damage, so a couple of pick offs let them get all of the towers. NiP and Ehome "figured out" this aspect of the current patch at the Minor. Damage matters a whole lot across your entire lineup, and you especially want at least 2 tower hitters. Keen drafted 4.
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how are all games ending at the same time so we have downtime ... with 4 matches? ^^
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Expected result after that laning stage. Impressive that they were able to turn it nearly even with that one fight at top, but that ending sums it all up. Still looking weird at all.
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On May 04 2019 18:17 Sloke wrote:
how are all games ending at the same time so we have downtime ... with 4 matches? ^^
Because it was 3 stomps and Keen/TL ended in about 45s after some key pickoffs.
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VP is going full on Hate Train on BeastCoast.
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Brood from VP in the first series of the major. VP is here to have fun.
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I really feel like Liquid love being fancy too much for their own good :S
Let's hope it works out better this time
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On May 04 2019 18:46 ShiaoPi wrote:
I really feel like Liquid love being fancy too much for their own good :S
Let's hope it works out better this time
Finesse isn't really winning this patch, but Keen better snowball or they're going to have a lot of problems closing this game. Keen has come with a much more aggressive strategy than anyone else has been playing, so we'll see how it goes.
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Ixmike is taking a game off VP
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Like VP is gonna throw a single game to this memeTeam, pls.
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The NiP vs Chaos casters really don't get the way these drafts work. Chaos is in a lot of trouble.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Much much better from Liquid now
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Better lanes, better game. Looking indeed much better now.
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Watch and fucking learn. Stop going that trash non-eblade right click morphling build.
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miracle is such a fucking player
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Pimp is having way too much fun with these meaningless stats :-)
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kaka ," can i play tankier support for next game ?"
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man seeing your pos 1 troll getting more or less one-shot must be so demoralizing
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idk how beastcoast is about to win this
they have a much harder lineup to execute
edit: ok nevermind lol
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VP saving the day, holy shit.
That Rodjer hole + Solo's doom at Roshan pit.
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ok VP kinda threw with that one
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Why didn't VP just go for T4 and throne and baserace. Troll with brood just melt buildings, why teleport back?
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double ravage+blackhole+doom
yeah that sounds scary
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On May 04 2019 19:20 Slomo wrote:
Why didn't VP just go for T4 and throne and baserace. Troll with brood just melt buildings, why teleport back?
beastcoast was about to break the t4's and throne then when troll came back he just died
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
VP with the teamfight to end all teamfights
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how do you beat double ravage, doom and blackhole
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Chaos came with an interesting approach to the current Carry meta: pos 1 NP. Interesting approach, and NiP's draft was weak against it. (Though Chaos had to keep the pressure on really hard or they'd have gotten rolled in the midgame.)
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pretty great games. VP vs BC is quite a nailbiter and secret vs empire had some real manfights just now
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buybacky galore, easy 2K gold for solo on the envy kill ^^
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On May 04 2019 19:24 goody153 wrote:
how do you beat double ravage, doom and blackhole
apparently just let them use it all and just get a 6 slot drow
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is gg for VP?
edit yeah is gg xD
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This major is gonna have the best music of all time for sure
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
VP just lost that by being absolutely sloppy with their fight at the end :S
RIP Predictions
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On May 04 2019 19:31 PoulsenB wrote:
is gg for VP?
yep beastcoast beat VP on ultra-lategame with a doom/ravage/blackhole
tho Vp also has brood which didn't feel really that great
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OK WHAT they get to use OST from Disney? thats amazing. Im impressed.
But fuck Disney still...right?
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On May 04 2019 19:30 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 19:24 goody153 wrote:
how do you beat double ravage, doom and blackhole apparently just let them use it all and just get a 6 slot drow
You've got to disarm the Drow. That's normally the key.
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On May 04 2019 19:32 babysimba wrote:
Alright Ixmike won.
Ixmike beat Vp in a game bois
Didn't even think this timeline is possible
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On May 04 2019 19:32 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 19:30 goody153 wrote:On May 04 2019 19:24 goody153 wrote:
how do you beat double ravage, doom and blackhole apparently just let them use it all and just get a 6 slot drow You've got to disarm the Drow. That's normally the key.
I mean rodjer also whiffed the blackhole which really should have killed envy there
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On May 04 2019 19:31 goody153 wrote:yep beastcoast beat VP on ultra-lategame with a doom/ravage/blackhole tho Vp also has brood which didn't feel really that great
inb4 Envy goes to grand finals and reddit just explodes lul
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
first phase ember from Keen is some balls
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On May 04 2019 19:32 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 19:30 goody153 wrote:On May 04 2019 19:24 goody153 wrote:
how do you beat double ravage, doom and blackhole apparently just let them use it all and just get a 6 slot drow You've got to disarm the Drow. That's normally the key.
Yeah but VP 3-5 was abit poor to buy one. And the only who could buy thought refresher was so much better(well tide refresher shivas is better)
also is this link legit ? https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Drow_Ranger
Apparently drow silence once got hit before bkb even if you bkb it doesn't get dispelled by bkb. That's interesting
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On May 04 2019 19:33 PoulsenB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 19:31 goody153 wrote:On May 04 2019 19:31 PoulsenB wrote:
is gg for VP? yep beastcoast beat VP on ultra-lategame with a doom/ravage/blackhole tho Vp also has brood which didn't feel really that great inb4 Envy goes to grand finals and reddit just explodes lul
Won't happen but i can certainly see them beating somebody in a series now
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I like liquid's opening. Keen opening with Ember+Wyvern is kinda whatever tho
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the secret vs empire game is really entertaining until PA decided to go into roshpit with secret on their highground side
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EE's team results is inversely proportional to the amount of fans' trust in their team.
Truly anime.
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On May 04 2019 19:43 babysimba wrote:
EE's team results is inversely proportional to the amount of fans' trust in their team.
Truly anime.
And now that the trust is back they gonna crumble again
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this beginning of keen vs liquid is already entertaining as fuck lol
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brax plays a really good brew
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ramzes is not having fun this game
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VP not having a good earelygame
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VP really let the Drow through again? This could be interesting.
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On May 04 2019 20:07 PoulsenB wrote:
VP not having a good earelygame
only ramzes and solo actually especially ramzes (6 deaths and had the worst lane)
the rest did ok especially noone
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that was a pretty bad fight why they forced the highground fight and brax just immediately ulting
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That rosh fight tho, VP is back on top
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Hahaha that Matu viper going 1vs4 lol
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gg, that was so sick haha
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I think you just GG at that point. 50s of focusing Matumbaman's viper 4v1 and not killing him...?? Just leave, it's over.
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beastcoast just rightclicked everybody
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WTF was that last KG fight, they got team wiped trying to kill an half hp viper, dont know if Matu too good, viper too op or KG throwing
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ROFL that fight bottom With matu surviving for eternity was some good shit
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On May 04 2019 20:24 Minishield wrote:
WTF was that last KG fight, they got team wiped trying to kill an half hp viper, dont know if Matu too good, viper too op or KG throwing
Well 3vs1 then 4vs1, you think it's ok, then after 20 seconds you realize his HP are going up and you are nearly death, it's unreal, I understand how they were left dumbfounded.
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On May 04 2019 20:23 Nouar wrote:
I think you just GG at that point. 50s of focusing Matumbaman's viper 4v1 and not killing him...?? Just leave, it's over.
Poor keen, they thought they beat the boss but AM was only the number 2.
Kuro's prophet is so sick, true war3 level blocks with treants, sick sprouts all over.
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ok that was reaaaally bad from beastcoast
another situation with them all dying cuz brax just split immediately
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nip
nip what are you doing
nip stop if you lose to chaos god help me
the counterthrow comes out from chaos but still, yikes
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Maybe Liquid required that defeat in game 1...game 2 and 3 were played pretty well. That fight at bottom with Matu playing 4vs1 is already a highlight of this tournament.
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grimstroke has hex,euuls and aether lens
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chaos had this game after the picked nip off again and again ... but now
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On May 04 2019 20:36 goody153 wrote:
grimstroke has hex,euuls and aether lens
And immediately got a bit eager and got caught mid without bb
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first hit bash by ursa, the frog favors chaos confirmed
now that is a puppey pause if I've ever seen one
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NiP gets itself into some weird games.
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On May 04 2019 21:00 Achaian wrote:
ugh that was pathetic
I think NiP hasn't played with the Disruptor much and really never punished Chaos, especially when they used buybacks to secure Roshan.
Credit to Chaos though, as they came in with an interesting core set of strategies to counter the current meta. W33ha also counter played the supports really well. Not a lot around that can do that.
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Man Disney downtime music makes me nostalgic
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On May 04 2019 21:07 ShiaoPi wrote:
Man Disney downtime music makes me nostalgic
this
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a ghost scepter on peedur would have won them the game. Occasionally there's a time to abandon the position 6 concept.
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I don't even like the pos 5 being like 3-4 net worth in 40 min game.
I like better the thing that AI bots did, to distribute farm evenly on the pos 3-4-5 so they can actually grab 1 or 2 items to help with sustain and shit.
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On May 04 2019 21:10 Achaian wrote:
a ghost scepter on peedur would have won them the game. Occasionally there's a time to abandon the position 6 concept.
frankly I think this is one of the reason NiP stagnate, hardcore muh-super-selfless support hasn't been good in a while.
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also why is lina a hero again, she doesn't seem that great
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On May 04 2019 21:13 739 wrote:
I don't even like the pos 5 being like 3-4 net worth in 40 min game.
I like better the thing that AI bots did, to distribute farm evenly on the pos 3-4-5 so they can actually grab 1 or 2 items to help with sustain and shit.
Not sure how much the bots put into wards, but at the very least they didn't utilize them in the same sense as humans do. Of course sometimes it may be appropriate for someone else than one guy to buy them, but it's a pretty big investment that I'm not sure the bots did to the same extent.
Also the hero pool that was available for the bots was pretty specific. Drafts influence quite a bit how much you can distribute your farm. Getting items on Furion is a lot easier than it is on Bane. And in some games you simply can't afford to show certain heroes because it just means free pickoffs for the other team. In some other games you can split up a lot and farm on pretty much everyone. From what I recall the bots almost exclusively played CM and WD as their 5 and both of those can farm with spells decently. The hero pool didn't have Bane, Undying, Abaddon and so on.
Another factor is that the bots prioritized early buildings really heavily, and getting that early gold really helps with everyone getting items.
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VP playing against drow for the fourth time in a row, at this rate they'll know how to beat it better than anyone else by the time this tournament is over
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VP were very shaky against team TEAM. They're going to have to play a lot better than that to beat Liquid.
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is ranged druid still a viable build ?
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
That was sublime positioning and initiation from Liquid right there
and VP strike back just as hard lol
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ASDASDASDASD
KURO WHAT A GOD
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morph should not be able to switch hp when he switches body. it is like he is a raid boss which has 2 hp bars.
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Both teams playing really well. This hasn't disappointed.
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this lonedruid pick is sooo bad for VP
even if the bear gets 6 slot it isn't even gonna be worth a damn both naix and drow just melts it and it doesn't do damage fast enough
literally a dead core
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the discrepancy between vp and liquid with the rest of teams is quite far
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On May 04 2019 22:32 Snakesneaks wrote:
the discrepancy between vp and liquid with the rest of teams is quite far
Not reall.y
It isn't actually that much compared to last year(where they just dominate everybody except each other)
They lost games against a newly formed teamteam(i mean they almost lost the series to a bunch of NA sideliners) and Keen. Those series didn't even look onesided(almost all those games they were almost losing).
They just look on another level because they match against each other pretty well. Also casters hyp.
What you said was true with secret like a half a year since the Nisha pickup but even recently it isn't as true.
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On May 04 2019 22:32 Snakesneaks wrote:
the discrepancy between vp and liquid with the rest of teams is quite far
Uh what? You could say that for last year, so far Secret has been looking better than both these teams, Liquid was last place in the last major, VP just lost a game to the Beast Coast(LMAO) and made a fuckton of mistakes in all of their games. They are still among the best teams here but nowhere near dominant as they were before.
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how are VP winning the fight when they basically have 1 core (lonedruid is actually worthless even with many items)
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Nullifier MVP of that fight.
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game of the tournament candidate already actually
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On May 04 2019 22:40 goody153 wrote:
how are VP winning the fight when they basically have 1 core (lonedruid is actually worthless even with many items)
Nevermind VP just crumbled lol
I didn't even know nullifier could stop tp's. What a fucking item
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On May 04 2019 22:41 uthgard wrote:
what a throw by VP lmao
I'd never say that VP had a big advantage over TL, can't call it a throw.
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On May 04 2019 22:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Nullifier MVP of that fight.
When players just wanted damage and not for stopping evasion from screwing them. I always wonder why alot of players prefer mkb over this item.
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On May 04 2019 22:42 739 wrote:I'd never say that VP had a big advantage over TL, can't call it a throw.
They had the momentum but looking on the lineup i'm surprised they're actually keeping up.
They have like 2 dead heroes(WD and LD basically just tank hits). Basically Ramzes is carrying them so hard.
Meanwhile Liquid actually has 4 carry's at this point in time with almost maxed items with most of them.
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morphling just beats everybody holy shit
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Morph is a bit broken hero, to be honest :D
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On May 04 2019 22:51 739 wrote:
Morph is a bit broken hero, to be honest :D
Broken vs Broken in the late game is nutty.
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One if the best games since TI
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On May 04 2019 22:51 739 wrote:
Morph is a bit broken hero, to be honest :D
Not all the time but holy this was certainly one of those times that dude is soooo broken.
I think only void 6 with refresher+rapier(maybe 2+ daedalus) probably only is more broken
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I hate both Morph and Drow, nerf plz :p
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lets design a hero which can copy enemy skills with shitton of switchable stats depending if you want to kill or survive. and did i forget to say he has 2 hp bar ?
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On May 04 2019 22:52 Slomo wrote:
One if the best games since TI
True that
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On May 04 2019 22:54 Snakesneaks wrote:
lets design a hero which can copy enemy skills with shitton of switchable stats depending if you want to kill or survive. and did i forget to say he has 2 hp bar ?
Alot of times you see morphling even maxed still (with all the items, statswitching and 2 hp bars) die when you catch it. Then you see these games as well where that waterbafoon just doesn't die.
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In the late game it mostly comes to heroes he can Morph into, if he has amazing Morph targets like Lifestealer, Gyro, Terrorblade etc. he is really broken. If he doesn't have these great Morph targets he is still really good but counterable.
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On May 04 2019 23:00 Ramiz1989 wrote:
In the late game it mostly comes to heroes he can Morph into, if he has amazing Morph targets like Lifestealer, Gyro, Terrorblade etc. he is really broken. If he doesn't have these great Morph targets he is still really good but counterable.
Yeah. GyroMorphling or LifeMorphling as an example is really strong
Sometimes you catch morphling when morph to another hero and just melt.
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I love the Whinnie the Pooh and pink Stitch dolls on the RU desk.
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as long as tb's reflection is not nerfed hard, i will keep saying tb is broken hero as well
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easiest group stage run of secret's life
I think at least once in each series one of the enemy player 'rage quit' too
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really not sure about this arc warden from liquid :S
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VP finally decided to just accept the Drow.
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Why do Liquid keep pursuing these deep dives and chase, it always ends badly :-/
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matu has been very underwhelming today
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wow that's a 322 from liquid
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remove true strike from drow ulti already. it isn't even mentioned in the skill
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Liquid's dives this game :^(
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Except for that Viper game... yeah I'm getting bad vibes from this game :-(
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On May 04 2019 23:47 Snakesneaks wrote:
matu has been very underwhelming today
uhhh what?
this game is on the back of entirety of liquid going for high risk low reward plays
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On May 04 2019 23:48 Nyan wrote:remove true strike from drow ulti already. it isn't even mentioned in the skill
Yeah I was wondering why it pierces Armor instead of having true strike, turns out it does both LMAO.
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These silences are just killing Liquid here.
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Compared to the last game, this game Drow's Silence is REALLY fucking up all of Liquid's heroes.
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no silence removal was too greedy imo, so so punished by storm and drow
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Reminder Ixmike and EE took a game off VP while Liquid didn't xD
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this was a really good storm pick but VP just outplayed Liquid for like 10 minutes or so
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
solo with the crystalis xD
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Solo gets Crystalys on Rubick to pair with stolen Enchant Totem lol. It's also super good with Drow aura.
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I GOTTA PLAY THIS RUBICK RIGHT NOW
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On May 04 2019 23:51 babysimba wrote:
Reminder Ixmike and EE took a game off VP while Liquid didn't xD
To be honest VP were playing like crap second game and had questionable decisions in the third. That's saying more about EE team than about Liquid.
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solo stole teleport
and playing a chrystalis bkb rubick lmao
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this has to be the best rubick i've seen in pro-play
(yes i've seen stuff like kky, fy even that rare sonneiko rubick rampage)
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Good VP is so much fun to watch.
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can we get EG vs Col already
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VP looking in fine form after some clowny stuff earlier against bc
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On May 05 2019 00:04 ShiaoPi wrote:
VP looking in fine form after some clowny stuff earlier against bc
Yeah I think that's their usual "first series of the day" thing, most of the time they seem desynced in their first series.
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On May 05 2019 00:04 PoulsenB wrote:
can we get EG vs Col already
I mean, that will probably be the least interesting match of the day LOL.
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wreck it ralph and pirates of the caribbean intermission music, i love it
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Is this major sponsored by Disney?
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OG vs Fnatic is gonna be exciting (or at least the most if not LGD vs Mineski)
On May 05 2019 00:29 Danzo wrote:
Is this major sponsored by Disney?
I believe so it has disney on it. Also apparently they've been using disney soundtracks without copyright strikes.
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On May 05 2019 00:19 Ramiz1989 wrote:I mean, that will probably be the least interesting match of the day LOL.
it's been "starting soon" for half an hour lul, I just want to watch the bois play
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lol
71 put up a FCB jacket against PSG.....
But, it is in Paris.
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I hope the tournament meta shifts away from drow, seeing such an unexciting hero half of the games is meh
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On May 05 2019 00:50 Chillander wrote:
I hope the tournament meta shifts away from drow, seeing such an unexciting hero half of the games is meh
I actually prefer this than that endless TB era.
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Is VS core even going to be useful without some synergy like puck. Feels like OG heroes are going to just get jumped on by Fnatic's melee heroes mid game.
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There's a meepo in LGD vs Mski game lol
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On May 05 2019 01:09 babysimba wrote:
There's a meepo in LGD vs Mski game lol
Meepo was also banned by OG on the Fnatic-OG game.
Apparently SEA teams love meepo(well for fnatic they actually have a player who from time to time picks meepo)
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Haven't watched dota in a while. How long has Maybe been back? Looking as absurdly good as ever.
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On May 05 2019 01:17 Orome wrote:
Haven't watched dota in a while. How long has Maybe been back? Looking as absurdly good as ever.
He was always been good throughout the season. It is just the team didn't have the same dominance as they had last season.
No issues with the player himself. More like a team thing
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Rtc getting free farm on this AM, perfect start for him. Lets gooo
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Maybe did took a short break.
LGD is still theoretically the best team currently just like in TI8. Hopefully they can get a TI this year. FY and Maybe deserve it so much.
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Yeah i am looking forward to see LGD back to full strength now.
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On May 05 2019 01:24 babysimba wrote:
Maybe did took a short break.
LGD is still theoretically the best team currently just like in TI8. Hopefully they can get a TI this year. FY and Maybe deserve it so much.
Thought VP was actually the best team(secret already started getting figured out lateseason but as usually still very good).
LGD still has the same solid shot at jumping at the very top of the foodchain and they're showing but not like before. So we'll see
This game looked very easy for LGD tho even if it wasn't as clean.
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Apparently Ceb owned Fnatic.
Looks like both OG and LGD are getting that increase of power that is expected from their rosters.
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Ok Complexity just hit a 3 man blackhole, ghost ship, torrent, and brewmaster ult going off. Still lost team fight to an AM at minute 17 xd
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On May 05 2019 01:24 babysimba wrote:
Maybe did took a short break.
LGD is still theoretically the best team currently just like in TI8. Hopefully they can get a TI this year. FY and Maybe deserve it so much.
I've supported LGD ever since they formed and fully agree they're the most impressive fundamentally, but I think it's a bit iffy to call them the best in the world when they've repeatedly gotten out-adapted when it matters most.
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Rtc popping off game 1, day 1 is nice :D
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On May 05 2019 01:31 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 01:24 babysimba wrote:
Maybe did took a short break.
LGD is still theoretically the best team currently just like in TI8. Hopefully they can get a TI this year. FY and Maybe deserve it so much. I've supported LGD ever since they formed and fully agree they're the most impressive fundamentally, but I think it's a bit iffy to call them the best in the world when they've repeatedly gotten out-adapted when it matters most.
Right now ? No but at some point pre-TI upto TI (it was a very fight between them and OG) they definitely were
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On May 05 2019 01:31 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 01:24 babysimba wrote:
Maybe did took a short break.
LGD is still theoretically the best team currently just like in TI8. Hopefully they can get a TI this year. FY and Maybe deserve it so much. I've supported LGD ever since they formed and fully agree they're the most impressive fundamentally, but I think it's a bit iffy to call them the best in the world when they've repeatedly gotten out-adapted when it matters most.
Err... they were in consecutive finals during this period last year when there were patches every 2 weeks. Every other teams were struggling. Adaptability is the least of their concern.
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Rtc level 20, minute 23, Meracle ember level 13. Not fun for Dallas Cowboys...i mean Complexity
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I’m hoping real bad for a Miracle/Meracle showdown in the (lower) bracket.
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RTZ is playing like a madman
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EG doing EG things again, literally refusing to go high ground without Aegis or Enigma dead haha.
Ok thats game now, Enigma dieback. WOOO LETS GO
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That eblade-euls-ult on Brew by Sumail in the last fight haha
RTZ 17-0-8 ayyyyy
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Nice 830gpm game from Rtc straight out, nice laaaaa.
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On May 05 2019 01:36 babysimba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 01:31 Orome wrote:On May 05 2019 01:24 babysimba wrote:
Maybe did took a short break.
LGD is still theoretically the best team currently just like in TI8. Hopefully they can get a TI this year. FY and Maybe deserve it so much. I've supported LGD ever since they formed and fully agree they're the most impressive fundamentally, but I think it's a bit iffy to call them the best in the world when they've repeatedly gotten out-adapted when it matters most. Err... they were in consecutive finals during this period last year when there were patches every 2 weeks. Every other teams were struggling. Adaptability is the least of their concern.
They come to every tournament prepared, that's never been their problem. The problem's always been maintaining their usual UB domination until the end of the tournament. Teams like Secret/Liquid/OG tend to do more adapting during tournaments and LGD has a tendency to fall apart when their preferred style of play for the tournament stops working for them.
Again though I haven't watched dota in a bit, so maybe that's changed these days, idk.
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Well what you expect, he always goes QuasWex build and gets destroyed on lane.
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On May 05 2019 02:00 babysimba wrote:
Topson is getting rekted
Ye he is gonna need a ton to catch up
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On May 05 2019 02:00 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 01:36 babysimba wrote:On May 05 2019 01:31 Orome wrote:On May 05 2019 01:24 babysimba wrote:
Maybe did took a short break.
LGD is still theoretically the best team currently just like in TI8. Hopefully they can get a TI this year. FY and Maybe deserve it so much. I've supported LGD ever since they formed and fully agree they're the most impressive fundamentally, but I think it's a bit iffy to call them the best in the world when they've repeatedly gotten out-adapted when it matters most. Err... they were in consecutive finals during this period last year when there were patches every 2 weeks. Every other teams were struggling. Adaptability is the least of their concern. They come to every tournament prepared, that's never been their problem. The problem's always been maintaining their usual UB domination until the end of the tournament. Teams like Secret/Liquid/OG tend to do more adapting during tournaments and LGD has a tendency to fall apart when their preferred style of play for the tournament stops working for them. Again though I haven't watched dota in a bit, so maybe that's changed these days, idk.
LGD changed their playstyle totally from group stages to playoffs in TI. OG played the same way entire tournament. LGD didn't lose because of strategy. They lost because of tactical mistakes. To put it badly, Ame threw 3 crucial games against OG including 1 in winners finals. It was probably due to stamina issues during the actual finals, but it was their fault to throw winners finals to begin with.
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Oh no Naga Siren, Bulba god don't do this to me xd
On May 05 2019 02:17 PoulsenB wrote:
RTZ Naga <3
The old Rtc Naga sure, radiance manta lets go, but the new Naga is even worse to watch xd (as that naga playstyle is still bad to watch, but rtc is rtc ofc)
Complexity draft looks good again to me, so much push its crazy.
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On May 05 2019 02:17 Pandemona wrote:Oh no Naga Siren, Bulba god don't do this to me xd The old Rtc Naga sure, radiance manta lets go, but the new Naga is even worse to watch xd (as that naga playstyle is still bad to watch, but rtc is rtc ofc) Complexity draft looks good again to me, so much push its crazy.
I could watch RTZ play Naga for days lol. Maybe I'm just weird
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He is playing naga against the original naga player
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What the hell is this start lol. S4 runs down mid to get hit by tower for 7 retaliate stacks xd
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On May 05 2019 02:17 babysimba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 02:00 Orome wrote:On May 05 2019 01:36 babysimba wrote:On May 05 2019 01:31 Orome wrote:On May 05 2019 01:24 babysimba wrote:
Maybe did took a short break.
LGD is still theoretically the best team currently just like in TI8. Hopefully they can get a TI this year. FY and Maybe deserve it so much. I've supported LGD ever since they formed and fully agree they're the most impressive fundamentally, but I think it's a bit iffy to call them the best in the world when they've repeatedly gotten out-adapted when it matters most. Err... they were in consecutive finals during this period last year when there were patches every 2 weeks. Every other teams were struggling. Adaptability is the least of their concern. They come to every tournament prepared, that's never been their problem. The problem's always been maintaining their usual UB domination until the end of the tournament. Teams like Secret/Liquid/OG tend to do more adapting during tournaments and LGD has a tendency to fall apart when their preferred style of play for the tournament stops working for them. Again though I haven't watched dota in a bit, so maybe that's changed these days, idk. LGD changed their playstyle totally from group stages to playoffs in TI. OG played the same way entire tournament. LGD didn't lose because of strategy. They lost because of tactical mistakes. To put it badly, Ame threw 3 crucial games against OG including 1 in winners finals. It was probably due to stamina issues during the actual finals, but it was their fault to throw winners finals to begin with.
We could always blame the carry as usual but honestly OG on TI8 pulling incredible moves that i didn't see from any other teams that time even from LGD(who looked the most stable team that tournament).
It wasn't even on Ame. OG just magically played extremely clutch at those times.
On May 05 2019 02:23 PoulsenB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 02:17 Pandemona wrote:Oh no Naga Siren, Bulba god don't do this to me xd On May 05 2019 02:17 PoulsenB wrote:
RTZ Naga <3 The old Rtc Naga sure, radiance manta lets go, but the new Naga is even worse to watch xd (as that naga playstyle is still bad to watch, but rtc is rtc ofc) Complexity draft looks good again to me, so much push its crazy. I could watch RTZ play Naga for days lol. Maybe I'm just weird
You're not weird but this is not the same old rtz naga anymore that we loved
On May 05 2019 02:24 babysimba wrote:
He is playing naga against the original naga player
Huh oh yeah lol
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OG played 110% during TI. LGD didn't play 100% during TI. Just hard facts.
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Ok so Complexity giving Rtc free farm again and S4 also free farm. All focus on mid and sumail still comes out on top massively. Jesus, Complexity not looking good.
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OG looked pretty good in their match against Fnatic. I'm sure Ceb is hyper motivated for this event, it being in France and all that.
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On May 05 2019 02:33 babysimba wrote:
OG played 110% during TI. LGD didn't play 100% during TI. Just hard facts.
We had different facts then. They looked the literal best in the history of their team that time. Even a member of VP was complaining about they weren't making mistakes there
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On May 05 2019 02:17 Pandemona wrote:Oh no Naga Siren, Bulba god don't do this to me xd The old Rtc Naga sure, radiance manta lets go, but the new Naga is even worse to watch xd (as that naga playstyle is still bad to watch, but rtc is rtc ofc) Complexity draft looks good again to me, so much push its crazy.
Radiance sucks on Naga and Illusion heroes in general, and Naga is changed, pretty much nobody plays her like that anymore for a reason. She is not the godlike split-pusher she once was, they pretty much go mass stats and fight, she is closer to CK/PL right now.
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S4 got the last hit on mid tower from retaliate haha
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On May 05 2019 02:36 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 02:33 babysimba wrote:
OG played 110% during TI. LGD didn't play 100% during TI. Just hard facts. We had different facts then. They looked the literal best in the history of their team that time. Even a member of VP was complaining about they weren't making mistakes there
No, they weren't making mistakes in the group stage and in winner bracket, but against OG? There were a fuckton of errors and huge lead throws by them.
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On May 05 2019 02:38 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 02:17 Pandemona wrote:Oh no Naga Siren, Bulba god don't do this to me xd On May 05 2019 02:17 PoulsenB wrote:
RTZ Naga <3 The old Rtc Naga sure, radiance manta lets go, but the new Naga is even worse to watch xd (as that naga playstyle is still bad to watch, but rtc is rtc ofc) Complexity draft looks good again to me, so much push its crazy. Radiance sucks on Naga and Illusion heroes in general, and Naga is changed, pretty much nobody plays her like that anymore for a reason. She is not the godlike split-pusher she once was, they pretty much go mass stats and fight, she is closer to CK/PL right now.
Yes that is what i posted, rtc naga when it was radiance manta days woo woo, but now its build stats and go which is boring to me.
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On May 05 2019 02:17 babysimba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 02:00 Orome wrote:On May 05 2019 01:36 babysimba wrote:On May 05 2019 01:31 Orome wrote:On May 05 2019 01:24 babysimba wrote:
Maybe did took a short break.
LGD is still theoretically the best team currently just like in TI8. Hopefully they can get a TI this year. FY and Maybe deserve it so much. I've supported LGD ever since they formed and fully agree they're the most impressive fundamentally, but I think it's a bit iffy to call them the best in the world when they've repeatedly gotten out-adapted when it matters most. Err... they were in consecutive finals during this period last year when there were patches every 2 weeks. Every other teams were struggling. Adaptability is the least of their concern. They come to every tournament prepared, that's never been their problem. The problem's always been maintaining their usual UB domination until the end of the tournament. Teams like Secret/Liquid/OG tend to do more adapting during tournaments and LGD has a tendency to fall apart when their preferred style of play for the tournament stops working for them. Again though I haven't watched dota in a bit, so maybe that's changed these days, idk. LGD changed their playstyle totally from group stages to playoffs in TI. OG played the same way entire tournament. LGD didn't lose because of strategy. They lost because of tactical mistakes. To put it badly, Ame threw 3 crucial games against OG including 1 in winners finals. It was probably due to stamina issues during the actual finals, but it was their fault to throw winners finals to begin with.
I disagree, but I'm sure we can both live with that.
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On May 05 2019 02:40 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 02:38 Ramiz1989 wrote:On May 05 2019 02:17 Pandemona wrote:Oh no Naga Siren, Bulba god don't do this to me xd On May 05 2019 02:17 PoulsenB wrote:
RTZ Naga <3 The old Rtc Naga sure, radiance manta lets go, but the new Naga is even worse to watch xd (as that naga playstyle is still bad to watch, but rtc is rtc ofc) Complexity draft looks good again to me, so much push its crazy. Radiance sucks on Naga and Illusion heroes in general, and Naga is changed, pretty much nobody plays her like that anymore for a reason. She is not the godlike split-pusher she once was, they pretty much go mass stats and fight, she is closer to CK/PL right now. Yes that is what i posted, rtc naga when it was radiance manta days woo woo, but now its build stats and go which is boring to me.
How is diffusal + stats fighting Naga style more boring than Naga that spends 90% of the game in jungle while pushing 3 lanes with immortal Illusions that last forever? What the actual fuck.
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On May 05 2019 02:42 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 02:40 Pandemona wrote:On May 05 2019 02:38 Ramiz1989 wrote:On May 05 2019 02:17 Pandemona wrote:Oh no Naga Siren, Bulba god don't do this to me xd On May 05 2019 02:17 PoulsenB wrote:
RTZ Naga <3 The old Rtc Naga sure, radiance manta lets go, but the new Naga is even worse to watch xd (as that naga playstyle is still bad to watch, but rtc is rtc ofc) Complexity draft looks good again to me, so much push its crazy. Radiance sucks on Naga and Illusion heroes in general, and Naga is changed, pretty much nobody plays her like that anymore for a reason. She is not the godlike split-pusher she once was, they pretty much go mass stats and fight, she is closer to CK/PL right now. Yes that is what i posted, rtc naga when it was radiance manta days woo woo, but now its build stats and go which is boring to me. How is diffusal + stats fighting Naga style more boring than Naga that spends 90% of the game in jungle while pushing 3 lanes with immortal Illusions that last forever? What the actual fuck.
Because its a run at them hero, get stat items, run at enemy and rng on the rip tide animation. You dont press much, u can trap people but i mean it just aint fun for me. Playing as well, i prefer boots of travel radiance manta all day xd Just me.
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On May 05 2019 02:42 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 02:40 Pandemona wrote:On May 05 2019 02:38 Ramiz1989 wrote:On May 05 2019 02:17 Pandemona wrote:Oh no Naga Siren, Bulba god don't do this to me xd On May 05 2019 02:17 PoulsenB wrote:
RTZ Naga <3 The old Rtc Naga sure, radiance manta lets go, but the new Naga is even worse to watch xd (as that naga playstyle is still bad to watch, but rtc is rtc ofc) Complexity draft looks good again to me, so much push its crazy. Radiance sucks on Naga and Illusion heroes in general, and Naga is changed, pretty much nobody plays her like that anymore for a reason. She is not the godlike split-pusher she once was, they pretty much go mass stats and fight, she is closer to CK/PL right now. Yes that is what i posted, rtc naga when it was radiance manta days woo woo, but now its build stats and go which is boring to me. How is diffusal + stats fighting Naga style more boring than Naga that spends 90% of the game in jungle while pushing 3 lanes with immortal Illusions that last forever? What the actual fuck.
You have to admit there was a certain elegance to Meracle naga. That one game vs DK was a thing of beauty.
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On May 05 2019 02:50 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 02:42 Ramiz1989 wrote:On May 05 2019 02:40 Pandemona wrote:On May 05 2019 02:38 Ramiz1989 wrote:On May 05 2019 02:17 Pandemona wrote:Oh no Naga Siren, Bulba god don't do this to me xd On May 05 2019 02:17 PoulsenB wrote:
RTZ Naga <3 The old Rtc Naga sure, radiance manta lets go, but the new Naga is even worse to watch xd (as that naga playstyle is still bad to watch, but rtc is rtc ofc) Complexity draft looks good again to me, so much push its crazy. Radiance sucks on Naga and Illusion heroes in general, and Naga is changed, pretty much nobody plays her like that anymore for a reason. She is not the godlike split-pusher she once was, they pretty much go mass stats and fight, she is closer to CK/PL right now. Yes that is what i posted, rtc naga when it was radiance manta days woo woo, but now its build stats and go which is boring to me. How is diffusal + stats fighting Naga style more boring than Naga that spends 90% of the game in jungle while pushing 3 lanes with immortal Illusions that last forever? What the actual fuck. You have to admit there was a certain elegance to Meracle naga. That one game vs DK was a thing of beauty.
I mean from playing perspective old Naga definitely required more micro-management, but from viewer perspective I generally dislike illusion split-pushers so I can't call it more interesting than the current one.
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On May 05 2019 02:48 VGhost wrote:
coL is looking terrible.
As they have been ever since Kyle left. People can talk crap all they want, but when Kyle and Moo were in CoL, they were actually fighting for the second best NA team together with Forward Gaming, and were really solid tier 2, taking games off some good tier 1 teams. Nowadays they look like random NA pub stack.
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Yeah doing illusion push every game like a certain team did...was boring and awful to watch and im glad it got nerfed.
Oh well, EG crushed the Cowboys! EG vs OG, offft. Lets go
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Illusions just changed from burning creeps and heroes from a foot away to sticking on to them and procing rip tide. Core gameplay of naga didn't really change except she can fight better with tankier stats and higher dps. Also much stronger in killing towers.
It's still 1 boring ass hero to spectate as long as that bullshit ultimate sleep still exists.
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On May 05 2019 02:56 babysimba wrote:
Illusions just changed from burning creeps and heroes from a foot away to sticking on to them and procing rip tide. Core gameplay of naga didn't really change except she can fight better with tankier stats and higher dps. Also much stronger in killing towers.
It's still 1 boring ass hero to spectate as long as that bullshit ultimate sleep still exists.
But it did change, instead of splitting illusions all over the map and using Riptide, you just click one hero with like 3-4 of them and do nothing with yours. Of course you can always micro your illusions and do more, but generally the skill required to play Naga successfully went down.
I agree about the ult, it should've been changed long time ago to be more initiation friendly instead of get-out-of-jail-free-card.
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On May 05 2019 03:07 PoulsenB wrote:
EG vs OG next, the "Fly vs Notail" crowd is going to be unbearable xD
The crowd of Minnie and Mickey Mouse? xD isn't any crowd yet i thought
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On May 05 2019 03:08 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 03:07 PoulsenB wrote:
EG vs OG next, the "Fly vs Notail" crowd is going to be unbearable xD The crowd of Minnie and Mickey Mouse? xD isn't any crowd yet i thought
I mean reddit and twitch chat lmao
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On May 05 2019 02:45 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 02:42 Ramiz1989 wrote:On May 05 2019 02:40 Pandemona wrote:On May 05 2019 02:38 Ramiz1989 wrote:On May 05 2019 02:17 Pandemona wrote:Oh no Naga Siren, Bulba god don't do this to me xd On May 05 2019 02:17 PoulsenB wrote:
RTZ Naga <3 The old Rtc Naga sure, radiance manta lets go, but the new Naga is even worse to watch xd (as that naga playstyle is still bad to watch, but rtc is rtc ofc) Complexity draft looks good again to me, so much push its crazy. Radiance sucks on Naga and Illusion heroes in general, and Naga is changed, pretty much nobody plays her like that anymore for a reason. She is not the godlike split-pusher she once was, they pretty much go mass stats and fight, she is closer to CK/PL right now. Yes that is what i posted, rtc naga when it was radiance manta days woo woo, but now its build stats and go which is boring to me. How is diffusal + stats fighting Naga style more boring than Naga that spends 90% of the game in jungle while pushing 3 lanes with immortal Illusions that last forever? What the actual fuck. Because its a run at them hero, get stat items, run at enemy and rng on the rip tide animation. You dont press much, u can trap people but i mean it just aint fun for me. Playing as well, i prefer boots of travel radiance manta all day xd Just me.
don't see much logic in this, sorry. you'd prefer a hero that farms most of the way to minute 30 with an occasional R press, than a hero that can actually walk into the jungle and do something meaningful?
for discussion on the naga itself
i've looked into the hero before this tournament, especially with RTZ playing the hero in practice.
there is no faster carry hero right now both in farming and item timing.
it has flexible item timings after the initial 3x wraith band + manta. you can do diffusal vs medusa, you can go straight for bfly + skadi, you can skip bfly and build stats.
it does meepo levels of damage without the inherent downside.
it is one of the hardest counters to medusa from 20-30m and can win mid vs it.
it is basically a better spectre in some situations.
it allows a support (which in case the meta revolves around str-building supports with impact at 6) to take a lane at minute 5 while a level 4-5 naga with no levels in net goes to farm jungle. it farms at TB speeds with more reliability.
it is very mana efficient in doing so because of the cost of first skill being offset by natural regen and stats.
in the hands of a very efficient naga specialist, it is a very good hero and that's why we're seeing it picked starting day 1 of the event. otherwise it's not a good hero and i'd say only a small fraction of the pros can use it well currently.
i've played a heavy share of the old naga and i have to say this version of the hero is much harder to pull off correctly.
i'm not saying it's inherently hard, i am saying the potential is very high.
one of you is saying it's not difficult and you click 3/4 illusions on a hero. i disagree. you need to do more with your illusions to achieve the same effect as the old build with radiance.
if you want to cancel blink initiation, you have to preposition, control the illusions seperately, (typically two sets) and keep tabs on timers (lest downtime). because you have to constantly create illusions to farm, you also have to ship regen or use shrines often too. there is a lot of map movement in the new naga skillset that you didn't have to do previously.
there are just these tiny little nuances that most players won't pick up on. for example the illusions last ~25 with a 5s downtime. there are breakpoints (stats) at guaranteeing waves and jungle die before they run out all dependant on where you produce the illusions and how much time they spent walking there. with specific items you need to meet the wave ~70% @:50s to their base and wait a couple seconds before producing the illusions on top of the wave. doing so means you catch both spawns and etc.
all in all -it is- a very strong hero in the right hands, and i'm glad rtz is here to showcase that as i think he is probably the best player and one of the only players who can do so atm.
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On May 05 2019 03:17 nanaoei wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 02:45 Pandemona wrote:On May 05 2019 02:42 Ramiz1989 wrote:On May 05 2019 02:40 Pandemona wrote:On May 05 2019 02:38 Ramiz1989 wrote:On May 05 2019 02:17 Pandemona wrote:Oh no Naga Siren, Bulba god don't do this to me xd On May 05 2019 02:17 PoulsenB wrote:
RTZ Naga <3 The old Rtc Naga sure, radiance manta lets go, but the new Naga is even worse to watch xd (as that naga playstyle is still bad to watch, but rtc is rtc ofc) Complexity draft looks good again to me, so much push its crazy. Radiance sucks on Naga and Illusion heroes in general, and Naga is changed, pretty much nobody plays her like that anymore for a reason. She is not the godlike split-pusher she once was, they pretty much go mass stats and fight, she is closer to CK/PL right now. Yes that is what i posted, rtc naga when it was radiance manta days woo woo, but now its build stats and go which is boring to me. How is diffusal + stats fighting Naga style more boring than Naga that spends 90% of the game in jungle while pushing 3 lanes with immortal Illusions that last forever? What the actual fuck. Because its a run at them hero, get stat items, run at enemy and rng on the rip tide animation. You dont press much, u can trap people but i mean it just aint fun for me. Playing as well, i prefer boots of travel radiance manta all day xd Just me. don't see much logic in this, sorry. you'd prefer a hero that farms most of the way to minute 30 with an occasional R press, than a hero that can actually walk into the jungle and do something meaningful? for discussion on the naga itself i've looked into the hero before this tournament, especially with RTZ playing the hero in practice. there is no faster carry hero right now both in farming and item timing. it has flexible item timings after the initial 3x wraith band + manta. you can do diffusal vs medusa, you can go straight for bfly + skadi, you can skip bfly and build stats. it does meepo levels of damage without the inherent downside. it is one of the hardest counters to medusa from 20-30m and can win mid vs it. it is basically a better spectre in some situations. it allows a support (which in case the meta revolves around str-building supports with impact at 6) to take a lane at minute 5 while a level 4-5 naga with no levels in net goes to farm jungle. it farms at TB speeds with more reliability. it is very mana efficient in doing so because of the cost of first skill being offset by natural regen and stats. in the hands of a very efficient naga specialist, it is a very good hero and that's why we're seeing it picked starting day 1 of the event. otherwise it's not a good hero and i'd say only a small fraction of the pros can use it well currently. i've played a heavy share of the old naga and i have to say this version of the hero is much harder to pull off correctly. i'm not saying it's inherently hard, i am saying the potential is very high. there are just these tiny little nuances that most players won't pick up on. for example the illusions last ~25 with a 5s downtime. there are breakpoints (stats) at guaranteeing waves and jungle die before they run out all dependant on where you produce the illusions and how much time they spent walking there. with specific items you need to meet the wave ~70% @:50s to their base and wait a couple seconds before producing the illusions on top of the wave. doing so means you catch both spawns and etc.
Doesn't need to be logic when its an opinion does it? I prefer to play radiance manta naga and prefer to wtch Rtc on radiance manta naga. There is no right or wrong in this situation, i can be outweighted but its like football. Some people can watch a team park the bus and counter some call it anti football, but is no "rule set" on how you should play the game etc, just opinions :D
Sorry my opinion upset you though xd
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On May 05 2019 03:07 PoulsenB wrote:
EG vs OG next, the "Fly vs Notail" crowd is going to be unbearable xD
Little drama is fun. And the drama isn't too far behind the timeline as OG only won last year. The entire "we won so were right" thing that ceb said was just this year as well as crit's shouldbump wasn't too far off.
Well maybe there isn't really drama anymore but honestly VG vs LGD face alot which we usually know the results and EG vs OG never really face each other this season. OG is on the rise and EG is a pretty good team. Besides this is OG's first real test as their roster reshuffle back to the original members
So overall EG vs OG is the hyped matchup. So it is more really that VG vs LGD is more or less predictable and not as exciting as the other matchup
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On May 05 2019 02:58 PoulsenB wrote:Col got squished in this series, good stuff from EG
Good thing EG is going to get smashed next game then.
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On May 05 2019 03:25 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 03:07 PoulsenB wrote:
EG vs OG next, the "Fly vs Notail" crowd is going to be unbearable xD Little drama is fun. And the drama isn't too far behind the timeline as OG only won last year. The entire "we won so were right" thing that ceb said was just this year as well as crit's shouldbump wasn't too far off. Well maybe there isn't really drama anymore but honestly VG vs LGD face alot which we usually know the results and EG vs OG never really face each other this season. OG is on the rise and EG is a pretty good team. Besides this is OG's first real test as their roster reshuffle back to the original members So overall EG vs OG is the hyped matchup. So it is more really that VG vs LGD is more or less predictable and not as exciting as the other matchup
I mean, they split of the old OG was beneficial both to EG and the new OG? I don't think they would've won TI without the roster change, and Fly had a great result with EG as well. I guess I'm just tired of seeing "traitor" everytime someone mentions Fly
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On May 05 2019 03:28 Slomo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 02:58 PoulsenB wrote:Col got squished in this series, good stuff from EG Good thing EG is going to get smashed next game then.
I wouldn't be too sure about that
(actually i'm rooting for OG .. they're more fun to watch them play than EG tbh )
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Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Oh god the stream, Slacks stoppp haha so cringe
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On May 05 2019 03:29 PoulsenB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 03:25 goody153 wrote:On May 05 2019 03:07 PoulsenB wrote:
EG vs OG next, the "Fly vs Notail" crowd is going to be unbearable xD Little drama is fun. And the drama isn't too far behind the timeline as OG only won last year. The entire "we won so were right" thing that ceb said was just this year as well as crit's shouldbump wasn't too far off. Well maybe there isn't really drama anymore but honestly VG vs LGD face alot which we usually know the results and EG vs OG never really face each other this season. OG is on the rise and EG is a pretty good team. Besides this is OG's first real test as their roster reshuffle back to the original members So overall EG vs OG is the hyped matchup. So it is more really that VG vs LGD is more or less predictable and not as exciting as the other matchup I mean, they split of the old OG was beneficial both to EG and the new OG? I don't think they would've won TI without the roster change, and Fly had a great result with EG as well. I guess I'm just tired of seeing "traitor" everytime someone mentions Fly
Obviously that was the best decision for the people involved to split up considering EG became good again and OG won a TI.
For me it wasn't even about fly but more about ceb and crit. Fly, s4 and Notail seems to be honestly over it.
Storyline is part of the hype(actually it what makes people look forward in matches .. for example navi vs alliance TI3-TI4 era, Newbee vs Liquid TI7 upwards etc etc ..). OG and EG have history recently so it will be mentioned.
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On May 05 2019 03:22 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 03:17 nanaoei wrote:On May 05 2019 02:45 Pandemona wrote:On May 05 2019 02:42 Ramiz1989 wrote:On May 05 2019 02:40 Pandemona wrote:On May 05 2019 02:38 Ramiz1989 wrote:On May 05 2019 02:17 Pandemona wrote:Oh no Naga Siren, Bulba god don't do this to me xd On May 05 2019 02:17 PoulsenB wrote:
RTZ Naga <3 The old Rtc Naga sure, radiance manta lets go, but the new Naga is even worse to watch xd (as that naga playstyle is still bad to watch, but rtc is rtc ofc) Complexity draft looks good again to me, so much push its crazy. Radiance sucks on Naga and Illusion heroes in general, and Naga is changed, pretty much nobody plays her like that anymore for a reason. She is not the godlike split-pusher she once was, they pretty much go mass stats and fight, she is closer to CK/PL right now. Yes that is what i posted, rtc naga when it was radiance manta days woo woo, but now its build stats and go which is boring to me. How is diffusal + stats fighting Naga style more boring than Naga that spends 90% of the game in jungle while pushing 3 lanes with immortal Illusions that last forever? What the actual fuck. Because its a run at them hero, get stat items, run at enemy and rng on the rip tide animation. You dont press much, u can trap people but i mean it just aint fun for me. Playing as well, i prefer boots of travel radiance manta all day xd Just me. don't see much logic in this, sorry. you'd prefer a hero that farms most of the way to minute 30 with an occasional R press, than a hero that can actually walk into the jungle and do something meaningful? for discussion on the naga itself i've looked into the hero before this tournament, especially with RTZ playing the hero in practice. there is no faster carry hero right now both in farming and item timing. it has flexible item timings after the initial 3x wraith band + manta. you can do diffusal vs medusa, you can go straight for bfly + skadi, you can skip bfly and build stats. it does meepo levels of damage without the inherent downside. it is one of the hardest counters to medusa from 20-30m and can win mid vs it. it is basically a better spectre in some situations. it allows a support (which in case the meta revolves around str-building supports with impact at 6) to take a lane at minute 5 while a level 4-5 naga with no levels in net goes to farm jungle. it farms at TB speeds with more reliability. it is very mana efficient in doing so because of the cost of first skill being offset by natural regen and stats. in the hands of a very efficient naga specialist, it is a very good hero and that's why we're seeing it picked starting day 1 of the event. otherwise it's not a good hero and i'd say only a small fraction of the pros can use it well currently. i've played a heavy share of the old naga and i have to say this version of the hero is much harder to pull off correctly. i'm not saying it's inherently hard, i am saying the potential is very high. there are just these tiny little nuances that most players won't pick up on. for example the illusions last ~25 with a 5s downtime. there are breakpoints (stats) at guaranteeing waves and jungle die before they run out all dependant on where you produce the illusions and how much time they spent walking there. with specific items you need to meet the wave ~70% @:50s to their base and wait a couple seconds before producing the illusions on top of the wave. doing so means you catch both spawns and etc. Doesn't need to be logic when its an opinion does it? I prefer to play radiance manta naga and prefer to wtch Rtc on radiance manta naga. There is no right or wrong in this situation, i can be outweighted but its like football. Some people can watch a team park the bus and counter some call it anti football, but is no "rule set" on how you should play the game etc, just opinions :D Sorry my opinion upset you though xd
i'm not upset at all, i'm explaining that there's an objective end to what is strong and what isn't.
you're saying you prefer the old style through and through. however, the new kit (boring to you) will never see that build again except in low level pubs. who ever said that's wrong? i just don't see the logic or the thought process behind it being more boring.
the reason i would like to see them play the new style on the new kit is because i want to see them win.
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Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Oh no they talking football now, stopp xd
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good draft is up on og-eg
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silencer first phase? did I miss a patch or something?
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On May 05 2019 03:30 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 03:28 Slomo wrote:On May 05 2019 02:58 PoulsenB wrote:Col got squished in this series, good stuff from EG Good thing EG is going to get smashed next game then. I wouldn't be too sure about that (actually i'm rooting for OG .. they're more fun to watch them play than EG tbh )
I'm just teasing. I am sure this won't end well for OG. I worry about their chances once drow is banned or they have to play vs naga.
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On May 05 2019 03:36 Achaian wrote:
silencer first phase? did I miss a patch or something?
there was another silencer game on the group stages
this is not a common pick tho
oracle is the 1st pick material
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Well Drow is banned, and Naga is still in the poll so we'll see
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On May 05 2019 03:37 Slomo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 03:30 goody153 wrote:On May 05 2019 03:28 Slomo wrote:On May 05 2019 02:58 PoulsenB wrote:Col got squished in this series, good stuff from EG Good thing EG is going to get smashed next game then. I wouldn't be too sure about that (actually i'm rooting for OG .. they're more fun to watch them play than EG tbh ) I'm just teasing. I am sure this won't end well for OG. I worry about their chances once drow is banned or they have to play vs naga.
I was gonna argue then i saw Ceb Magnus lol (it isn't about ceb but more about it kinda narrows down how OG is gonna pick)
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this isn't a good PA game there's alot of lockdown(there's even a silence)
guess og is losing this one
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RTZ Terrorblade, the old classic
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EG has an option to just go dive everybody and roll towers fast or just go 4p1. Nice draft
What is OG doing with the picks tho
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
On May 05 2019 03:44 PoulsenB wrote:
Slacks is a treasure
As a host, cause he's a goddamn terrible caster.
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Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
LOL ODPixel not a weeb and is so confused. Tsunamiiii is very weeb'd up though
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"My favorite anime is disney." - ODpixel 2019
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"Is that what the Overwatch guy says?" lmao
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Lmao they're playing tick-tack-toe using map drawings
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This game didn't even start yet and it's already going full retard
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as expected that og is getting the worse of the laning stage (considering what they picked)
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The jukes by RTZ holy shit
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EG win lanes > split push > farm forever without ending game > throw.
Seems even more likely against OG.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Well this game just went boom quickly. EG looking good, go down mid and then Ana deso crits S4 to death like he 3 shot a Doom that was nuts, then cleans sumail up. They then take Rosh on top and now EG lead they build has gone.
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15 minutes deso-phase-aegis ana PA without in a winning position seems good
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Ana now decides he wants to throw and died twice randomly.
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I know that SnY is more favored than Manta now but this is soo amanta game for Ana with the global and there's alot of single target from the other side that can benefit from manta confusion.
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On May 05 2019 04:14 Pandemona wrote:
Ana now decides he wants to throw and died twice randomly.
Topson apparently wanted to join whatever Ana is on
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RP > tusk shards > rolling boulder perm stun inside shards
That's the only comeback plan for OG teamfight xD
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Ok this is much better EG, well done!
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Topson apparently forgetting that he isn't playing ember or invoker or something solo-ing alot.
Also Notail being away from ana for a second. Suddenly he gets initiated lol
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Topson feeding and Ana is not going bkb as PA against so many nukes and disables.
OG is dead
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EG cooldown usage the last 2 minutes worse than my pubs
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Now EG throw with some terrible chasing in mid lol. Oh dear
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ok OG is still decisive and clutch as hell
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Wow the damage lol. RTC!!!
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EG trying their very best to give this game away with those engages there. Fortunate for them OG then decided to fight into a DD TB.
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So Ana just buys the bkb now. Didn't even realize he didn't have bkb the entire time when they were taking two raxes
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Ana build is so weird, it works if his supports get spells off, but its so hard for them to get spells off so he needed that BKB 2 items ago. But now he is strong and this game is very interesting.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Sumail clutch!!! Saving rtc
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Ok i think OG really loses this time. EG is kinda outscaling them now
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
EG need to get Roshan too if they get that, then double silence or double doom should secure it.
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On May 05 2019 04:28 Pandemona wrote:
Ana build is so weird, it works if his supports get spells off, but its so hard for them to get spells off so he needed that BKB 2 items ago. But now he is strong and this game is very interesting.
Now it doesn't matter as he has bkb now but the last like 20 minutes it was damn risky. And basically he is going glasscannon and just full insane hoping for his teammates to fill the job he needs.
I think he had to do it tho. He is their only reliable damage. And he gets behind their team can't kill anybody midgame.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Haha ANA just lost them the game haha
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Ana not preemptively bkb'ing and diving into EG losses them the game.
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Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
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On May 05 2019 04:33 Pandemona wrote:
Haha ANA just lost them the game haha
So weird that this was clearly on Ana diving into fight without bkb'ing knowing he was going all in.
And Ana is the least likely to make those mistakes historically.
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why the fuck did ceb go aether lens on mag
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On May 05 2019 04:35 Thetwinmasters wrote:
why the fuck did ceb go aether lens on mag
dunno, some galaxy brain blink range plays?
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
On May 05 2019 04:34 goody153 wrote:So weird that this was clearly on Ana diving into fight without bkb'ing knowing he was going all in. And Ana is the least likely to make those mistakes historically.
Yeah Ana just going to hyped and crazy. PA and him seem a bad combo because he is ULTRA aggressive player as we all know, but on PA you think your super strong anyway.
Right next draft be interesting. I think EG will try and get PA out of game for second phase. I think OG will try hardest to get Drow too.
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damn, my bois from VG are coming back strong for now
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I'm honestly surprised BC took a game off VP. Hoping for EG to close this series out!
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On May 05 2019 05:03 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm honestly surprised BC took a game off VP. Hoping for EG to close this series out!
Nothing really impressive from BC, VP played horribly in that game.
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EG playing really methodically
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What a garbage BF into Satanic build from Ana. I mean not even a Yasha, he does absolutely nothing, he has no attack speed before he starts attacking somebody for couple of seconds.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Holy shit that fight just was nuts. I was like why are Rtc and Sumail going back in and boom huge damage and big swing.
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On May 05 2019 05:44 Pandemona wrote:
Holy shit that fight just was nuts. I was like why are Rtc and Sumail going back in and boom huge damage and big swing.
That Cr1t stomp tho
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Give the man an AM or Ember. PAs Trolls not doing it...
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Waht the fuck is Ana doing this game, I have no idea.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Lets gooo!!! 4-0 day 1, beautiful!!
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man rtz played like a beast today
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Arteezy died twice today, across all four games
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RTZ died 2 times today lul, the whole team played super well!
BLEED BLUE
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loving the late night goon squad panel haha
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