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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44159 Posts
March 23 2019 13:45 GMT
#61
On March 23 2019 22:30 Moobutt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2019 22:25 goody153 wrote:
On March 23 2019 22:21 Achaian wrote:
On March 23 2019 22:20 goody153 wrote:
On March 23 2019 22:17 Achaian wrote:
> Not taking the -35s sunder cd talent

I don't think there is ever a reason to take meta attack range, not even against a doom

Wait that stupidly broken talent is still there ? with a 6 seconds cd reflection

holy shit TB actually still has 3 ultimates that two of them have low cooldowns

how did icefrog still not remove that


level 3 sunder has a 50 mana cost now instead of zero, so theoretically mana drain screws him a la wraith king, but that didn't quite happen

just 50 mana !!! what the hell most ultimates cost more than that with even worse effects

50 mana for a lifeswap that is still broken as hell

the only time you really do that is when the entire team kites and survives against TB while draining his mana and killing everybody. When you do that you already won.

in most times nothing can stand against TB lategame (unless a ultralategame refresher void with divine rapier cuz void has low damage output) simply because of sunder with 50 mana nothing outscales him ever.

Just gotta scale the lifeswap with a disadvantageous % built into the swap? Maybe a greater cast time/animation

Maybe just remove the ridiculous cooldown with his two ultimates. Things should be good.

Give him different talents.
this is a quote
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
March 23 2019 13:53 GMT
#62
I think Reflection just has to go. The ability is too strong and requires no input. Maybe you can make it a small area cast, but really it's too much.

At the very least, reflections shouldn't slow and provide passives or auras or shit. It's just way too gamebreaking. Almost worth it to remove the illusion reflections too.
The Bomber boy
Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
March 23 2019 13:54 GMT
#63
On March 23 2019 22:45 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2019 22:30 Moobutt wrote:
On March 23 2019 22:25 goody153 wrote:
On March 23 2019 22:21 Achaian wrote:
On March 23 2019 22:20 goody153 wrote:
On March 23 2019 22:17 Achaian wrote:
> Not taking the -35s sunder cd talent

I don't think there is ever a reason to take meta attack range, not even against a doom

Wait that stupidly broken talent is still there ? with a 6 seconds cd reflection

holy shit TB actually still has 3 ultimates that two of them have low cooldowns

how did icefrog still not remove that


level 3 sunder has a 50 mana cost now instead of zero, so theoretically mana drain screws him a la wraith king, but that didn't quite happen

just 50 mana !!! what the hell most ultimates cost more than that with even worse effects

50 mana for a lifeswap that is still broken as hell

the only time you really do that is when the entire team kites and survives against TB while draining his mana and killing everybody. When you do that you already won.

in most times nothing can stand against TB lategame (unless a ultralategame refresher void with divine rapier cuz void has low damage output) simply because of sunder with 50 mana nothing outscales him ever.

Just gotta scale the lifeswap with a disadvantageous % built into the swap? Maybe a greater cast time/animation

Maybe just remove the ridiculous cooldown with his two ultimates. Things should be good.

Give him different talents.

Yeah or that. But TB should definitely still feel the same way minus the power

Zai highlight is deserved. He just always feels like the MVP of everything.
3/22/16 The Day EG Died
Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
March 23 2019 13:59 GMT
#64
Secret wins here. Just a matter of whether it's 2-0 or 2-1. Secret beat them in groups and Fnatic made them look limp just last night
3/22/16 The Day EG Died
Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-23 14:07:32
March 23 2019 14:07 GMT
#65
Secret last pick Magnus right?

Keen are going to feel stupid as fuck not banning that last if Secret pick it
3/22/16 The Day EG Died
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-23 14:20:47
March 23 2019 14:20 GMT
#66
People complaining about TB in 2k19. It's funny in a way.

That said, @Taf the Ghost Nagas were not buying Radiance in any games where you do not lose all 3 lanes since 7.20 came out, because you do not need it to farm or push out lanes anymore if you have other slots instead. Matter of fact, current Naga is one of the fastest farmers in the game just by going 4-0-4.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
March 23 2019 14:25 GMT
#67
wombo combo!
The Real Power~
uthgard
Profile Joined January 2015
2098 Posts
March 23 2019 14:27 GMT
#68
Keen doing what they do best, winning early game

now the question is if they can sustain it into a win
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
March 23 2019 14:34 GMT
#69
I feel all these supports playing against PA and getting 2-hit crit'd.
Must be a painful experience, lol.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-23 14:34:55
March 23 2019 14:34 GMT
#70
That Venge death-illusion is so good here. Even if Zai does some incredibly reckless swaps, it's still fine as long as he keeps his aura up.

Dooming Venge is pretty awful because of it
3/22/16 The Day EG Died
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
March 23 2019 14:46 GMT
#71
Keen crumbles around Rosh just like against Fnatic.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
March 23 2019 14:48 GMT
#72
It's a pretty big advantage to be able to draft against Keen and not be worried about losing lanes since they can't convert won lanes to a win.
3/22/16 The Day EG Died
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
March 23 2019 14:48 GMT
#73
lol old chicken, what the fuck is he doing
The Real Power~
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44159 Posts
March 23 2019 14:48 GMT
#74
On March 23 2019 23:46 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Keen crumbles around Rosh just like against Fnatic.

Weirdly maybe it was just the games i watched but everytime there was a rosh compete the radiant side mostly losses(i mean the fight not the game) just this tournament at least.
this is a quote
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
March 23 2019 14:50 GMT
#75
old chicken and ame. china carry now :facepalm:
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
March 23 2019 14:50 GMT
#76
On March 23 2019 23:48 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2019 23:46 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Keen crumbles around Rosh just like against Fnatic.

Weirdly maybe it was just the games i watched but everytime there was a rosh compete the radiant side mostly losses(i mean the fight not the game) just this tournament at least.

That would be an interesting stat to track.
3/22/16 The Day EG Died
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44159 Posts
March 23 2019 14:51 GMT
#77
that was a static storm abit too late
this is a quote
uthgard
Profile Joined January 2015
2098 Posts
March 23 2019 14:53 GMT
#78
feels bad for LS, very tilting game

MidOne MVP for sure
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44159 Posts
March 23 2019 14:54 GMT
#79
On March 23 2019 23:50 Moobutt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2019 23:48 goody153 wrote:
On March 23 2019 23:46 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Keen crumbles around Rosh just like against Fnatic.

Weirdly maybe it was just the games i watched but everytime there was a rosh compete the radiant side mostly losses(i mean the fight not the game) just this tournament at least.

That would be an interesting stat to track.

I haven't watched everygame this tournament.

It could've been just a weird coincidence for all i know lol
this is a quote
Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
March 23 2019 15:18 GMT
#80
Clockwerk is a choice... hopefully Keen can round out their draft in last 2 picks.
3/22/16 The Day EG Died
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