Not even 5 minutes into the event and slacks allready annoying the crap out of me and by the looks on his face, ODPixel aswell!
I think Secret or VP will prevail today in the lowers and i would love for a big Fanatic upset by winning vs VG in the upper, but unfortunatly, i dont think it will happen.
Edit: VP with Morph, Troll and Doom as cores and an Enigma position 4 - i think its fair to call this a greedy draft. How are they gettin away with the early game like that?!?!
Edit 2: What is Fooged talking about the looming thread of a spectre?!?! No way LGD has a better lategame than VP ...
Edit 3: Well, Fogged was right and i was wrong. :D VP just cant get their spells of, not a single good blackhole or doom the entire game ...
LGD went with a mass utility/control draft to support the Spectre, which let them outmaneuver VP.
Edit: Spectre should have been weak to VP's draft, but they could blow up or control all of VP's supports. Pos 4 Enigma also removes the key playmaker roll in these 3 semi-carry / 1 hard carry + 2 semi-carry metas. Your 4 can't be on a static hero right now.
On March 23 2019 19:28 Taf the Ghost wrote: LGD went with a mass utility/control draft to support the Spectre, which let them outmaneuver VP.
Edit: Spectre should have been weak to VP's draft, but they could blow up or control all of VP's supports. Pos 4 Enigma also removes the key playmaker roll in these 3 semi-carry / 1 hard carry + 2 semi-carry metas. Your 4 can't be on a static hero right now.
Honestly instead of all that analysis you can just point out at VP playing.... ewww. And Fy paying his due to Gaben with those lucky shots.
On March 23 2019 20:54 goody153 wrote: Wait i thought they're skipping an entire day on the upperbracket semi finals
and now i see these lower bracket series lineups
Well, there's 4 matches today.
The winner of that last match tonight is not going to have a lot of time to sleep/rest/prepare for the lower bracket finals if things go past schedule today.
On March 23 2019 18:11 MintberryCrunchs wrote: Not even 5 minutes into the event and slacks allready annoying the crap out of me and by the looks on his face, ODPixel aswell!
Just watch it ingame. Nobody is forcing you to watch the panel. You all complain but you don't do something about your suffering. It is just whining to me.
Go mute if they're around or just watch ingame so that you don't see any you don't like. The caster is the one you don't like ? Then mute him too watch the games.
Dota isn't unwatchable without people talking about it.
On March 23 2019 21:32 Taf the Ghost wrote: VG beat LGD because they hit early timings. LGD goes against VP with going ultra-late. There is no Meta, only Chaos.
Having seen a few Naga games in the last few months, this is going to either be over by 25 minutes or this is going to drag out a LONG time. You can't really split push against Naga with Radiance. VP is going to have to get really aggressive soon.
On March 23 2019 21:47 Taf the Ghost wrote: Having seen a few Naga games in the last few months, this is going to either be over by 25 minutes or this is going to drag out a LONG time. You can't really split push against Naga with Radiance. VP is going to have to get really aggressive soon.
Does Naga get Radiance after Manta? That seems like a more reasonable item build on her. The Naga of yesteryear(s) was such a shit show rushing a near-naked radiance.
On March 23 2019 21:47 brinepumps wrote: How did VP win that last fight
chalice chased somebody else away from the actual teamfight, ame was farming, everybody underneath the tower got crushed by brew split+pango even tho pango roll got stopped by puck
On March 23 2019 21:47 Taf the Ghost wrote: Having seen a few Naga games in the last few months, this is going to either be over by 25 minutes or this is going to drag out a LONG time. You can't really split push against Naga with Radiance. VP is going to have to get really aggressive soon.
Does Naga get Radiance after Manta? That seems like a more reasonable item build on her. The Naga of yesteryear(s) was such a shit show rushing a near-naked radiance.
Naga gets Radiance at some point, then you can't kill the illusions off because your non-cores can't do enough damage to them. That chokes out the map, then you just keep tanking up. But, because Naga, you can't really take a Roshan. LGD has a bad Roshan lineup, but there's no way VP can take Rosh unless they team wipe LGD.
On March 23 2019 21:47 Taf the Ghost wrote: Having seen a few Naga games in the last few months, this is going to either be over by 25 minutes or this is going to drag out a LONG time. You can't really split push against Naga with Radiance. VP is going to have to get really aggressive soon.
Does Naga get Radiance after Manta? That seems like a more reasonable item build on her. The Naga of yesteryear(s) was such a shit show rushing a near-naked radiance.
Naga gets Radiance at some point, then you can't kill the illusions off because your non-cores can't do enough damage to them. That chokes out the map, then you just keep tanking up. But, because Naga, you can't really take a Roshan. LGD has a bad Roshan lineup, but there's no way VP can take Rosh unless they team wipe LGD.
That makes sense. I guess now that Naga has BKB, next item has to be radiance. But butterfly is queued. Late game Radiance still seems good though.
Can Valve just remove the aspect that TB reflections retain passives/auras. honestly so fucking frustrating to see networth turned against you so hard.
On March 23 2019 21:47 Taf the Ghost wrote: Having seen a few Naga games in the last few months, this is going to either be over by 25 minutes or this is going to drag out a LONG time. You can't really split push against Naga with Radiance. VP is going to have to get really aggressive soon.
Does Naga get Radiance after Manta? That seems like a more reasonable item build on her. The Naga of yesteryear(s) was such a shit show rushing a near-naked radiance.
Naga gets Radiance at some point, then you can't kill the illusions off because your non-cores can't do enough damage to them. That chokes out the map, then you just keep tanking up. But, because Naga, you can't really take a Roshan. LGD has a bad Roshan lineup, but there's no way VP can take Rosh unless they team wipe LGD.
That makes sense. I guess now that Naga has BKB, next item has to be radiance. But butterfly is queued. Late game Radiance still seems good though.
Ame went for the Battle Build. Not sure that's quite the correct move. It's not bad, but we'll see.
You can see how LGD is looking to kite these fights and sustain through. That's why they picked the way they did to protect the Naga.
On March 23 2019 22:19 Wintex wrote: No matter what happens with this game, every patch Terrorblade is pickable with Reflection in the state it is in ruins any hype I have for the game.
On March 23 2019 22:19 Wintex wrote: No matter what happens with this game, every patch Terrorblade is pickable with Reflection in the state it is in ruins any hype I have for the game.
The hero is too good. Design-wise.
It has 3 ultimates bud
2 of them have 5 seconds cooldown lol
The dumbest one by far is Reflection. There is no recourse vs Reflection. It's singlehandedly the best spell in Dota in a carry vs carry situation
On March 23 2019 22:17 Achaian wrote: > Not taking the -35s sunder cd talent
I don't think there is ever a reason to take meta attack range, not even against a doom
Wait that stupidly broken talent is still there ? with a 6 seconds cd reflection
holy shit TB actually still has 3 ultimates that two of them have low cooldowns
how did icefrog still not remove that
level 3 sunder has a 50 mana cost now instead of zero, so theoretically mana drain screws him a la wraith king, but that didn't quite happen
just 50 mana !!! what the hell most ultimates cost more than that with even worse effects
50 mana for a lifeswap that is still broken as hell
the only time you really do that is when the entire team kites and survives against TB while draining his mana and killing everybody. When you do that you already won.
in most times nothing can stand against TB lategame (unless a ultralategame refresher void with divine rapier cuz void has low damage output) simply because of sunder with 50 mana nothing outscales him ever.
On March 23 2019 22:17 Achaian wrote: > Not taking the -35s sunder cd talent
I don't think there is ever a reason to take meta attack range, not even against a doom
Wait that stupidly broken talent is still there ? with a 6 seconds cd reflection
holy shit TB actually still has 3 ultimates that two of them have low cooldowns
how did icefrog still not remove that
level 3 sunder has a 50 mana cost now instead of zero, so theoretically mana drain screws him a la wraith king, but that didn't quite happen
just 50 mana !!! what the hell most ultimates cost more than that with even worse effects
50 mana for a lifeswap that is still broken as hell
the only time you really do that is when the entire team kites and survives against TB while draining his mana and killing everybody. When you do that you already won.
in most times nothing can stand against TB lategame (unless a ultralategame refresher void with divine rapier cuz void has low damage output) simply because of sunder with 50 mana nothing outscales him ever.
Just gotta scale the lifeswap with a disadvantageous % built into the swap? Maybe a greater cast time/animation
On March 23 2019 22:17 Achaian wrote: > Not taking the -35s sunder cd talent
I don't think there is ever a reason to take meta attack range, not even against a doom
Wait that stupidly broken talent is still there ? with a 6 seconds cd reflection
holy shit TB actually still has 3 ultimates that two of them have low cooldowns
how did icefrog still not remove that
level 3 sunder has a 50 mana cost now instead of zero, so theoretically mana drain screws him a la wraith king, but that didn't quite happen
just 50 mana !!! what the hell most ultimates cost more than that with even worse effects
50 mana for a lifeswap that is still broken as hell
the only time you really do that is when the entire team kites and survives against TB while draining his mana and killing everybody. When you do that you already won.
in most times nothing can stand against TB lategame (unless a ultralategame refresher void with divine rapier cuz void has low damage output) simply because of sunder with 50 mana nothing outscales him ever.
Just gotta scale the lifeswap with a disadvantageous % built into the swap? Maybe a greater cast time/animation
Maybe just remove the ridiculous cooldown with his two ultimates. Things should be good.
I think Reflection just has to go. The ability is too strong and requires no input. Maybe you can make it a small area cast, but really it's too much.
At the very least, reflections shouldn't slow and provide passives or auras or shit. It's just way too gamebreaking. Almost worth it to remove the illusion reflections too.
On March 23 2019 22:17 Achaian wrote: > Not taking the -35s sunder cd talent
I don't think there is ever a reason to take meta attack range, not even against a doom
Wait that stupidly broken talent is still there ? with a 6 seconds cd reflection
holy shit TB actually still has 3 ultimates that two of them have low cooldowns
how did icefrog still not remove that
level 3 sunder has a 50 mana cost now instead of zero, so theoretically mana drain screws him a la wraith king, but that didn't quite happen
just 50 mana !!! what the hell most ultimates cost more than that with even worse effects
50 mana for a lifeswap that is still broken as hell
the only time you really do that is when the entire team kites and survives against TB while draining his mana and killing everybody. When you do that you already won.
in most times nothing can stand against TB lategame (unless a ultralategame refresher void with divine rapier cuz void has low damage output) simply because of sunder with 50 mana nothing outscales him ever.
Just gotta scale the lifeswap with a disadvantageous % built into the swap? Maybe a greater cast time/animation
Maybe just remove the ridiculous cooldown with his two ultimates. Things should be good.
Give him different talents.
Yeah or that. But TB should definitely still feel the same way minus the power
Zai highlight is deserved. He just always feels like the MVP of everything.
People complaining about TB in 2k19. It's funny in a way.
That said, @Taf the Ghost Nagas were not buying Radiance in any games where you do not lose all 3 lanes since 7.20 came out, because you do not need it to farm or push out lanes anymore if you have other slots instead. Matter of fact, current Naga is one of the fastest farmers in the game just by going 4-0-4.
On March 23 2019 23:46 PhoenixVoid wrote: Keen crumbles around Rosh just like against Fnatic.
Weirdly maybe it was just the games i watched but everytime there was a rosh compete the radiant side mostly losses(i mean the fight not the game) just this tournament at least.
On March 23 2019 23:46 PhoenixVoid wrote: Keen crumbles around Rosh just like against Fnatic.
Weirdly maybe it was just the games i watched but everytime there was a rosh compete the radiant side mostly losses(i mean the fight not the game) just this tournament at least.
On March 23 2019 23:46 PhoenixVoid wrote: Keen crumbles around Rosh just like against Fnatic.
Weirdly maybe it was just the games i watched but everytime there was a rosh compete the radiant side mostly losses(i mean the fight not the game) just this tournament at least.
That would be an interesting stat to track.
I haven't watched everygame this tournament.
It could've been just a weird coincidence for all i know lol
On March 24 2019 01:13 BlazingGlory wrote: I dont understand why dont they play the winners finals now...
Didn’t they just say that this was agreed upon by the players? Guess they’d rather have the long day be today instead of going to bed late and having to wake up early for another series.
Yet another example how professional dota teams overvalue roshan. Secret buys back on 4 heroes just to get Roshan while they have every T1 Tower up. Baffling.
On March 24 2019 02:25 Pandemona wrote: So new meta now is to out sustaint your opponents in 3-5 minute long 5man fights? xD
Some want to go really early, and this seems to be the counter to that. But, once both teams show they're going late, it becomes "who can become tankier?". This happens.
Maybe you should just give up Roshan when fighting against VP unless they are all dead. By far the best team to fight around the pit. Turning it completely after being outplayed/outmanoeuverd for the first 20 min.
9Pasha again the MVP of this match. Yet, I still don't get it why this series is not the last one of this day. This is more hype than VG Vs Fnatic to be fair.
Nagas has been out of the meta for so long that I'm not sure why aren't they doing it anymore, it clearly doesn't feel like an out place item considering how the hero us being played
On March 24 2019 03:39 Faruko wrote: What happened to Nagas building radiance?
Nagas has been out of the meta for so long that I'm not sure why aren't they doing it anymore, it clearly doesn't feel like an out place item considering how the hero us being played
I think it's because new riptide accomplishes the wave clear so they can itemize more into illusion stats instead obv not as good as radiance but good enough probably
On March 24 2019 03:39 Faruko wrote: What happened to Nagas building radiance?
Nagas has been out of the meta for so long that I'm not sure why aren't they doing it anymore, it clearly doesn't feel like an out place item considering how the hero us being played
After OG abusing the hell out of illusion heroes in 7.05 Volvo made radiance a very mediocre item on her.
After 7.20 rework Naga gets more AoE damage and waveclear from just stacking agility/ias than from buying radiance. On top of DPS.
On March 24 2019 04:21 Pandemona wrote: VP ruining peoples pubs with 5 core lineups
VP is going late game with everyone in the draft.
Though pos 5 Doom is actually pretty useful and always is against hard carry metas. Secret also doesn't have good catch for Weaver. I think this was supposed to be a carry Doom that VP switched out of.
Have a good harassing lane skill. Free midas. Only needs to cast a single doom for teamfights before dying. Free aura bot or ice armor skill. Soak up quite a bit of damage as a pos5. Go feed for map information when doom cd is down or something.
On March 24 2019 05:00 Achaian wrote: yapzor does not understand how egg works
he's using it way too close to the entire enemy team
VP's draft can easily disengage and re-initiate once Supernova is popped. Secret needed more lockdown so Yapzor could use egg to force VP into bad engagements.
What is everyone talking about? 5 Doom was meta not to long ago and 4 Enigma was meta this very tournament. Secret just has a terrible draft, hardly any stuns, until 5+ slot PL hardly any damage as well. Also: Yapzor should be on a playmaking hero. Phoenix doesn't suit him at all.
On March 24 2019 05:00 Achaian wrote: yapzor does not understand how egg works
he's using it way too close to the entire enemy team
VP's draft can easily disengage and re-initiate once Supernova is popped. Secret needed more lockdown so Yapzor could use egg to force VP into bad engagements.
Biggest mistake was him not going for shiva first.
VP basically abused the 2nd pick PL with the 5core lineup. Tide/Enigma guarantees a won teamfight almost every time it was up. Not to mention Secret's entire draft lacked stun to cancel black hole (1st pick enigma btw) which feels like a huge oversight
I didn't really like the phoenix pick in this draft either
It is my impression or the observing of the stream feels weird? The observer is following the player camera's i think and the camera drags... What a teamfight by Fnatic, a 4-man curse and they take the tower and force an OD buyback.
On March 24 2019 06:57 M.S.Bismarck wrote: If Fnatic win this match, they're guaranteed to go to TI regardless if they get first place this tournament correct?
havent done the math, but too early to tell i guess
On March 24 2019 06:57 M.S.Bismarck wrote: If Fnatic win this match, they're guaranteed to go to TI regardless if they get first place this tournament correct?
Who is that Ember Spirit player?? Perfect fight by Fnatic, no buybacks, and Shadow Shaman cast range is over 9000 Damm Shadow Shaman is keeping VG in this game.
On March 24 2019 08:19 babysimba wrote: So the loser of this match will get penalised by having less time to prepare for the loser bracket match against VP due to changed schedule heh.
On March 24 2019 08:44 plasmidghost wrote: I think Fnatic takes this game
I think they're a better team, but they're also the team on tilt-watch after the finish to g2.
EDIT: But it looks like Fnatic is just going to run them over.
They weren't on tilt in game 2 though. They were so determined in trying to get something out when TB was dead near the end of the game. Rarely did i see a SEA team so decisive before.
Yeah VG all of a sudden just become amazing at team fights wtf has this been in their showings this season so far. Amazing saves and beautiful executing that last game. Wow, i am very very impressed.
Fnatic felt pressured to end the game with their lineup being on a timer against dusa. Considered a throw when they could have raxed more safely with snakes and jugg.
Good day, was away from home 17h to watch the games today and my commute isn't that long. Hope nobody does 4 Bo3 in a day any more. The chances of it messing up is too high. Though would be fine in TI4 meta I guess.
Putting another Bo3 on the Friday instead of only holding 2 would have been much better. Think the one in the middle of the work day would have better attendance than the one starting 11 in the evening.
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