I hope Liquid doesnt disappoint their fans today. Its bo1 and anything can happen. Anyway in game 3 last secret game, midone should have bought bkb instead of ghoststaff. Paparazi's morphling played like a madman.
This year might be the year of chinese. They seems to "wake up". Keen play so aggressive and VG is so flawless.
On March 17 2019 17:32 lolfail9001 wrote: For some reason i have a hunch Liquid will somehow lose that 1 game. You know, because this tournament is meant to show just how bad it's format is.
I have the same hunch but this is the same format every major has, isn't it ? I agree first round bo1 is unfortunate, but the format overall is fine imo.
On March 17 2019 17:32 lolfail9001 wrote: For some reason i have a hunch Liquid will somehow lose that 1 game. You know, because this tournament is meant to show just how bad it's format is.
You never hit that stage without losing 2 Bo3. A single elimination format would have them out of the tournament 2 series ago.
I think a format that allow you to lose 4 games (at minimum) before even being near elimination is pretty lenient. It becomes worse in the upper bracket where you have fewer chances.
Excited for the matches today. Much much less predictable than the matches yesterday.
Also eg vs Kg should be exciting.
On March 17 2019 17:32 lolfail9001 wrote: For some reason i have a hunch Liquid will somehow lose that 1 game. You know, because this tournament is meant to show just how bad it's format is.
Not fan of the GSL format for dota2 as well honestly but this situation would be avoided if liquid actually won against KG which they didn't.
They lost fair and square in a b03 as regardless of the format winning is still a prerequisite.
Didn't pay attention to FWD's games earlier this event but seemingly they've switched around MSS and Universe so now MSS is actually their offlane player
On March 17 2019 22:26 Pandemona wrote: Well thats going to be a big change up in forwards roster after this.
I really want that roster changes by this time around. The current competitive setup is abit predictable at this point. I want the none- top 3-4 teams to roster change to shake up things and make TI really unpredictable.
I know that when TI comes close the teams tend to be more erratic as sometimes the dominating ones stops dominating and the teams who are out of the picture just suddenly has a surge on TI.
But judging from the look of things. It has been abit precitable this year when it came to results. It may continue till TI.
On March 17 2019 22:29 clusen wrote: If Liquid plays as uninspired as they did the first 2 days they will drop out
How was FWD that bad? I have never such a low impact lion ever. You hex, stun, suck and finger. Thats one dead dude. Do that every 80 seconds, you get map domination. Its like FWD content for NiP to farm and take roshan for free twice. Theres not much pressure at all in the game. Its like they are waiting for something to happen and when it happened they just lost.
On March 17 2019 22:49 crocshark wrote: How was FWD that bad? I have never such a low impact lion ever. You hex, stun, suck and finger. Thats one dead dude. Do that every 80 seconds, you get map domination. Its like FWD content for NiP to farm and take roshan for free twice. Theres not much pressure at all in the game. Its like they are waiting for something to happen and when it happened they just lost.
It felt like they were on a low morale. It looked good at some point of the game for them but ultimately NIP just played their game and crushed them.
Yeah i dont like this draft for Liquid at all, easy lanes for Chaos and their draft is going to snowball. Liquid have win scenarios but its all going to be off the back of comebacks now from a laning stage lost which is includes Oracle and Ursa!
Its not (only) the draft! They gave everything to Chaos in the laningphase on a silver plate. Now that the snowball is rolling, it obviously looks really bad ...
On March 17 2019 23:32 MintberryCrunchs wrote: Its not (only) the draft! They gave everything to Chaos in the laningphase on a silver plate. Now that the snowball is rolling, it obviously looks really bad ...
That was a really planned draft and they planned superfast. Liquid didn't have enough time to breath and recollect they just kept running at them every moment.
On March 17 2019 23:44 Nagvalk wrote: Two series in a row where liquid just get stomped in the lanes and get given no space to recover. Seems like outdrafts really.
The last game was definitely not just an outdraft. It was just Chaos completely outplaying them.
On March 17 2019 23:50 goody153 wrote: wait wait wait did secret lose to VG ?
Yes, yesterday night.
So their streak is broken. And to somebody unexpected where they usually beat them.
Oh good i'm so done with the invincible secret era this year. Tbh i almost completely skipped all their matches cause i kinda expected them to role everybody again like usual this tournament.
I don't get Keen, all i know is they had a lot of practice on this patch BUT, they got beaten comfortably by Secret and they were also well beaten by TNC in WESG which was last week. So if EG have plans to win this tournament, they have to win this series and i expect them to do so.
On March 18 2019 00:18 Pandemona wrote: I don't get Keen, all i know is they had a lot of practice on this patch BUT, they got beaten comfortably by Secret and they were also well beaten by TNC in WESG which was last week. So if EG have plans to win this tournament, they have to win this series and i expect them to do so.
I mean Secret also beat VG comfortably but Secret lost to VG as well.
Also Keen made Secret work hard for the win from that series. That was definitely not easy as Keen plays really aggressive and fights every possible advantage the enemy wants to take.
But yeah EG has to be a upriisng Keen if they even wanna win this tournament,.
On March 18 2019 00:27 Pandemona wrote: The last pick Dark Seer confuses me on EG, as does picking PA into Viper but i am a noob and Bulba is god XD
Feels like this is either a comfort pick or so that viper/naix gets to chase stuff. Keen lineup is kinda disengage heavy or lots of means of delaying stuff
edit: i just missed the obvious eg has alot of AOE or close-proximity with allies exploit heroes that is good with vacuum
On March 18 2019 00:27 Pandemona wrote: The last pick Dark Seer confuses me on EG, as does picking PA into Viper but i am a noob and Bulba is god XD
Feels like this is either a comfort pick or so that viper/naix gets to chase stuff. Keen lineup is kinda disengage heavy or lots of means of delaying stuff
Yeah that is all i can see from it, comfort pick and it combos well with Naix and Clock to help for big kills, but a vac wall here just underwhelms for me idk. Enigma is hard but if he Enigma'd and blackholed the DP they should be fine.
On March 18 2019 00:50 Pandemona wrote: Lets go EG!!!!!!! BLEED BLUE
Apparently Keen is doing the same thing. They're replicating EG playstyle while at the same time accidentally letting EG win for more bleed blue.
Can't bleed blue more than that
Haha yeah i think EG just had perfect lanes to snowball after the midas slarder and bf pa item choices. Also didn't help Keen that DP dies twice in a row, one of those times being solo to sumail costing him his lane.
On March 18 2019 01:07 Warfie wrote: is it me or are the breaks between games a bit excessive? it takes a really long time to get through a single series
I think its mostly slacks beeing so annoying it feels longer than it actually is. :S
On March 18 2019 01:07 Warfie wrote: is it me or are the breaks between games a bit excessive? it takes a really long time to get through a single series
Dota game coordinator was down, atleast on Grant's stream
Kind of makes sense though. EG has slightly worse mid game scaling. I think once last game hits, they're fine again. Might just be a consequence of the Underlord pick for Sumail.
On March 18 2019 02:20 clusen wrote: I thought EG would just ride the momentum after they got a Doom pickoff near the Dire shrine and the subsequent second Rosh, but well played by Keen! cliff
Well EG played a mess that game and the Underlord or someone needed a linkens way sooner. They just started to brute force it way to earlier and the Sven just out leveled everyone on EG so fast which helped no one. EG just needed to say ok lets farm another item or two then go again with linkens on sumail and the AC on brewmaster.
On March 18 2019 03:03 Garrl wrote: i haven't watched much pro dota in the past few months, are greaves popular for SF now? feels like 2012 again with SF mek.
It is a popular build. It gives SF everything he needs, and there aren't a lot of other items that are great early on him
On March 18 2019 03:03 Garrl wrote: i haven't watched much pro dota in the past few months, are greaves popular for SF now? feels like 2012 again with SF mek.
A lot of mid-game team fighting, so the Mecha (especially greaves) let's you win fights and turn a game hard.
It's nice to see the Chinese teams show up after Chinese New Year. Except for LGD, they've been pretty afk for most of the year. Though it's been an interesting Group->Bracket Meta shift.
VP is going to have fun since they can clearly go full aggression.
Kotl ult might still be too strong. Add a little bit of extra AoE stun/control and it's practically impossible to kill it. Like Lesh stun and Tiny stun can cover the downtime between flickers and guarantee like ~8 seconds of control time.
As a point, this was a good approach by KG when EG wanted to go later in the game. EG wins this late unless they're down by 30k, so KG had a window they had to hit. And they're hitting it hard. Good item choices.
Yeah that was very bad from EG. They lost all what they did in first game and got out drafted by the end. Now they in a stupidly tough lower bracket, so good luck!
On March 18 2019 03:18 Moobutt wrote: I think Keen realize this game is still lose-able if they fuck up Rosh
Keen also had a big lane advantage during that Rosh standoff, their top wave was constantly pushing in and chipping t4s because if an EG hero went back to push it out Keen could kill Rosh before they got back
I'm pretty sure creeps took the t3 bottom while that was going on too
On March 18 2019 03:21 Pandemona wrote: Yeah that was very bad from EG. They lost all what they did in first game and got out drafted by the end. Now they in a stupidly tough lower bracket, so good luck!
They've got NiP, and ppd can outdraft them. So it really depends which EG shows up.
On March 18 2019 03:18 Moobutt wrote: I think Keen realize this game is still lose-able if they fuck up Rosh
Keen also had a big lane advantage during that Rosh standoff, their top wave was constantly pushing in and chipping t4s because if an EG hero went back to push it out Keen could kill Rosh before they got back
I'm pretty sure creeps took the t3 bottom while that was going on too
Yeah those creeps did take the t3 bottom. Keen closed that game out really well against EG.
On March 18 2019 03:22 clusen wrote: Despite KG having the better draft I don't think that decided the game - they just played extremely well
KG had to hit their timings hard. If they didn't have that 6k lead by 10 minutes, EG's draft would have been online and they'd have needed to hunt RTZ for the rest of the game. It was really just bad support picks from EG. Spectre needs strong support in the early game, otherwise this happens. Once the supports are way behind early, KG can rotate lane to land gaining advantages.
It was an extremely well-executed Timing Approach to a team that wants to go Late Game. EG should have just never given KG the opportunity. Congrats to Keen and now we get EG vs NiP, which should be fun.
I'm enjoying a tense, close-fought game for a change.
It helps that both teams just want to run at each other, so while there are some misplays it's easy to blame on on the pace and they don't grate like bad play can in a slower game.
On March 18 2019 05:47 CosmicSpiral wrote: VP should've picked DP over SF. Their lineup is built perfectly around her abilities.
SF crushed the pango lane. DP wouldn't have done it as strongly I think. Though likely DP would have been better in mid game fights.
"Crushing" the Pango lane doesn't mean anything unless you deliberately zone him away from the wave. The whole point of Pango mid is he gets situated in a 1v1 where he gets guaranteed gold and XP. SF in general is overrated this patch as teams just kite or CC him regardless of the game state.
Abaddon as third pick was also a clear mistake. Reserve it for fourth pick offlane where he can actually do something other than protect a core with Shield. As a 5, Venge provides everything Abaddon does and more.
What would make this surreal is if SA stomped Secret and Vp and Evil Geniuses lost to ppd. I hope I can take a sick day tomorrow to catch some of that.
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